^^^Ina Hashi would have been better choice than Cadde. Atleast, he was an able administrator. And this is what I hate appeasing any Qabiil lords oo falaago noqda like Cadde did in the past, and Xaabsade is doing now. I hope they find qof bulshadaan kala badbaadiya.

Somali men should taught how to build Aqal. Maybe then they would spend less time with useless chatter. And yes, it is skillfully done, but I think the nomadic nature of our people is antithesis to modern existence.

Rabi Janadii khaka Waraabiyo. Umadaan hala Qaboojiyo.

^^^You try so hard to look for differences where there is none.TFG, Pland, and Somaliland are mutations of the same evil. The only way to avert war is leave everyone to his own. The sooner the cult with juggernautish tendencies in Hargeysa gets that, the better it would be for everyone.

LoooooooL@reality, it is relative term Gediid. There is mine and there's yours, but neither could be dismissed by preaching history. Ayoub....Saaxib, You speak of 91 Burco accord signed by the leaders of the Sool, and I guess if I read you right, you are arguing this to be binding contract. This maybe so but also I would remind you the 1960 unification of Somalia is also binding a contract. You can't argue for one agreement by nullifying another one which by all standards was more legitimate. In 1998 Puntland was formed - unlike Somaliland - on the basis H-clan alliance Isn't the very foundations of Somaliland based on Qabiil allinace (SNM) that liberated the north from the military junta. One can't condemn one group for forming Qabiil alliance and applaud the actions of another who's guilty of the same action. Somaliland is/was the brainchild of one group of Somalis. Somaliland authorities were in charge and there was some kind of governance in Sool already. Reer Sool made the choice to join Pland. Nobody forced and coerced into joining this entity. What matters at the end of the day what they decide for themselves regardless what entity had some presence in their land. It is their right to join Pland or Sland. Sool is as multi-clan as Togdheer. Puntlanders call the Togdheer area they claim "Cayn" whereas "Sool is just Sool". All Somali regions are multi-clan whether it is an amalgamation of two larger tribes or fragmentation of the same tribe. The same issues exist allover, but as history teaches us no could be muscled out of their land. populace of Sool that does not belong to puntland's H-clans are supposed to be passengers in a bus Aren't you asking reer Sool to be just passengers in bus too or you don't see the inherent contradiction in your statement. The overwhelming majority of SSC people don't support secession.How you ignore that the simple fact is beyond me. From the common people in the streets of Sool, Eastern Sanaag, and Buhoodle, to the Garaads of SSC, and the SSC diaspora including many in this forum all have expressed their support for unified Somalia once there is legitimate Somali government. , where does it leave the H-clan members who do not support clannish Puntland? It is their right to choose their own path as shown by the creation of Maakhir state, and I hope what would be the subsequent formation of Darwiish adminitration independent of both Sland and Pland. How comes there's no "inciting tribal war" outcry from the likes of you when Afqudhac talks like this??? He is doing pretty much the same thing, and I condemn him for that in the strongest terms possibly. I'm a realist who accept the multi-clan nature of every region in Somaliland. One Man One Vote. Then reality should tell you Ayoub. We aren't advance enough to understand and appreciate what one man one vote is,in case point, web page,the key word in this article is Beesha, not an individual but Beesha. Transplanting "democracy" in what's essentially tribal society whose loyalty is to the tribe not to the state or nation is not gonna work. Reality should also tell you that the administration in Somaliland and Puntland are beholden to their masters in Addis, and does little in terms of services for their people. These individuals at the helm in Hargeysa and Garowe are corrupt and has no sense of morality. They have sold their souls, their lands, and at ever increasing rate their own people to the Zenawi regime.Any Somali thinking the admins in any other of Somalia is gonna deliver them independence or greater share in the Somali political structure is simply deluding themselves. The Zenawi regime wants Somalis to be poor, hungry, vioceless and divided. That's how Somalia is today. Pland and Somaliland are just comestic dressings to cover the Caybata Soomaaliya ka socota. Our opponents preach "unity" and "somalinimo" There is no unity, Somalinimo or even Islamnimo anywhere in Somalia.And quite frankly, I'm not and wouldn't sell you those themes. They lost their meanings along time ago. And I'm not saying I'm your walaal either,but I would like to tell you is to understand and appreciate the circumstances we all find ourselves, divided, tribal in nature, and being exploited by a wiser foe that doesn't want in all honesty see you or I succeed regardless if Somalia is united or divided along the former colonial lines. Considering circumstances of our existence today, it is hard to understand and explain why would anyone risk war that in the end will not give Somaliland the independence it seeks or will not ensure Puntland the political hegemony it is after in Somalia. This war does one thing, that's to uproot the innocent civilians in LA. Now if you would be so brave enough to ask the poor folks in LA if this war is for the best, please let me know how they answer you.

^^^I actually do know the girl in question. The article doesn't state when she was raped, but if it was the same time when she moved to Seattle, her age would have been either 17 or 18 yrs of age. Anyway, it was poor judgment on his part for picking on teenager.And if the alleged rape did occur, he definitely needs to pay regardless of her age then. Gediid...The Qabiil angle was played coz the girl's mom is reer Waqooyi. But it is unlikely a mother would that evil to put her daughter through that. My family knew the girl's family, We couldn't imagine them making up this stuff.

What a title!! Xuskii 17 Okt Iyo Fagaaraha Beerta Xorriyadda 'Mujaahidiinta Iyo Saraakiisha Cusub Waxa Ugu Horreeya Daahir Riyaale Kaahin,' Tallaabo Somaliland.Org — Hargeisa, Somaliland — 18 October, 2007 Hargeysa (Somaliland.org) – Munaasibado loo sameeyey xuska maalinta Shuhadadii SNM ee 17 Okt. ayaa xalay iyo shalay lagu qabtay meelo kala duwan oo magaalada Hargeysa ah. Xafladda rasmiga ah ee xuska maalinta Shuhadada SNM oo shalay lagu qabtay Fagaaraha Beerta Xorriyadda ee magaalada Hargeysa ayaa wasiirrada xukuumaddu si ballaadhan uga soo qaybgaleen, isla markaana ay si dhiirran uga hadleen arrinta gobolka Sool iyo guulaha ciidanka qaranku ka soo hooyey dagaalkii Laascaanood iyo hareeraheeda ku dhexmaray toddobaadkan ciidamada maamul goboleedka Puntland. Munaasibaddaas oo uu soo qabanqaabiyey ururka Jamciyadda Mujaahidiinta Sooyaal, waxa aan ka muuqan hoggaamiyayaashii milateri iyo kuwii siyaasadeed ee ururkii SNM, marka laga reebo Guddoomaha ku-meel-gaadhka ah ee SNM, Muj. Xasan Ciise Jaamac. Wasiirkuxigeenka Caddaaladda, mudane Yuusuf Ciise Ducaale (Tallaabo) oo ka mid ahaa halgamayaashii ururkii SNM ayaa isagu ka warramay taariikhda maalinta 17 Oktoober ee lagu KULMIYEy xuska dhammaan halyeeyadii SNM ee ku shahiidey halgankii ururkii SNM la galay taliskii cadaadiska ee Siyaad Barre, iyada oo xuskaas lagu suntay dagaal ka dhacay Burca-duurrey 17 Okt 1988, kaas oo uu ku shahiidey Alle ha u naxastee Marxuum Maxamed Xaashi (Lixle) oo hoggaaminayey ciidankii Sayid Cali oo ahaa ciidankii u horreeyey ee SNM loo tababaro. Mudane Tallaabo, waxa uu ka warramay marxaladihii SNM soo martay iyo maalinba halkii uu taagnaa halganku, waxana uu xusay marxaladdii ku dhawaaqista ururka iyo raggii ku dhawaaqay oo uu ka mid ahaayeen Muj. Xasan Ciise Jaamac oo xafladdaa fadhiyey iyo Inj. Maxamed Xaashi Cilmi oo muddo saddex bilood ku dhow ku jira Jeelka Mandheera. Mudane Tallaabo waxa uu sheegay in halgankii SNM ee ka soo bilaabmay kooxdii u horreysey ee ku dhawaaqday uu ilaa iyo hadda socdo, marxalado badanna uu soo maray oo ay ka mid yihiin dagaalkii Buuraha, gudagalkii magaalooyinka Burco iyo Hargeysa ee May 1988, qabsashadii Somaliland, nabadayntii Beelaha iyo dhismaha maamulka dowladda iyo weliba tallaabada hadda ciidanka Somaliland ku gaadheen magaalada Laascaanood. "Taariikhdu intaa way is qoraysaa, mujaahidiin cusub iyo taariikh cusub ayaa soo gelaysa. Kuwo cusub oo markii hore aan waxba ku lahaynina halkaas bay ka soo gelayaan, " ayuu yidhi Tallaabo. "Maanta Mujaahidiinta cusub iyo Saraakiisha waxa u horreeya Daahir Riyaale Kaahin, " ayuu raaciyey. Muj. Xasan Xiise Jaamac oo ka mid ahaa aasaasayaashii ururka SNM oo isaguna xafladdaas ka hadlay ayaa ku baaqay in xabsiga laga siidaayo siyaasiyiinta xidhan ee ururka Qaran oo uu ka mid yahay Inj. Maxamed Xaashi Cilmi, isaga oo ku waaniyey xukuumadda inay u dhaqanto si masuuliyad iyo waayeeltinimo ah. Muj. Xasan Ciise, waxa uu ku hambalyeeyey ciidamada Qaranka iyo Xukuumaddaba guusha ay ka gaadheen gobolka Sool, halkaas oo maamulka Somaliland uu la wareegey, Isniintii, kadib dagaal dhexmaray ciidanka Somaliland iyo kuwa maamulgoboleedka Soomaaliya ee Puntland. Waxana uu sheegay in laba arrimood oo uu badiyaa ka hadli jirey munaasibadaha noocan ah aanu soo qaadayn munaasibaddan, isagoo sababta sharraxayana waxa uu yidhi, "Maantana waa Bacaluul is qaadey [xukuumadda] oo dheg la qabtoba malaha, " Xasan Ciise wuxuu had iyo goor munaasibaddan oo kale ka hadli jirey daryeelka Mujaahidiinta iyo sidii qaranka loo midayn lahaa, meelna loogaga soo wadajeedsan lahaa gaadhsiinta dalka iyo dadka himilooyinkii loo soo dagaalamay, isaga oo taas dhalliilo kulul ugu soo jeedin jirey xukuumadda, balse, waxa uu sheegay munaasibaddaa shalay in aanu arrimahaa soo qaadayn, maadaama xukuumaddu dagaal ku jirto, isla markaana ay waxoogaa guul ah sheeganayso. Waxase uu uga digey xukuumadda in la dago ciidanka Somaliland. "Dhawr goor oo hore ayaa la dagay ciidanka Somaliland, yaan la idin dagin, " ayuu yidhi. Xasan Ciise, waxa uu xusay in xusaska noocan oo kale ah ee SNM xukuumaddu ay u soo diri jirtey hal wasiir, waxana uu sheegay in sababta wasiirrada tirada badani uga soo qaybgaleen xuskii shalay ay tahay iyada oo haya ayuu yidhi wax ay dadka la hor yimaaddaan, taas oo uu uga jeedey gaadhitaanka Laascaanood. Munaasibaddaas waxa kale oo ka hadlay Wasiirka Arrimaha Dibadda, mudane Cabdillaahi Maxamed Ducaale, Wasiirka Hawlaha Guud, mudane Siciid Sulub iyo Wasiirkii hore ee Gaashaandhigga, mudane Aadan Maxamed Mire (Waqaf) oo ka socdey xisbiga mucaaridka ah ee UCID, waxayna dhammaantood si dhiirran uga hadleen xaaladda Laascaanood, iyaga oo isla markaana digniin iyo jawaabo kulkulul ka bixiyey hadallo ka soo yeedhay maamulka Puntland, gaar ahaan eedaynta ku saabsan in Somaliland ay xidhiidh la leedahay maxaakiimtii Islaamiga ee Muqdisho iyo dowladda Erateriya. Munaasibad kale oo lagu soo bandhigay sawirro iyo taariikh laga ururiyey halgamayaashii SNM ayaa iyana xalay lagu qabtay Hotel Imperial ee magaalada Hargeysa. Xafladdaas waxaa ka qaybgalay, hadalona ka jeediyey guddoomiyayaasha labada xisbi ee Mucaaridka ah, Axmed Maxamed Maxamuud (Siilaanyo) oo ahaa hoggaamiyihii muddadii ugu dheerayd hoggaaminayey ururkii SNM iyo Faysal Cali Waraabe, qaar ka mid ah hoggaamiyayaashii milateri ee SNM, qaar ka mid ah aasaasayaashii ururka, wasiirro, aqoonyahanno, culima-udiin iyo marti sharaf kale. Waxaana si ballaadhan looga hadlay halgankii SNM, taariikhda laga hayo iyo midhaha ka dhashay oo ah Somaliland. Cabdirisaaq M. Dubbad, Hargeysa. E-mail: dubad@Somaliland.com

I could give you my take but I'm not sure you want to hear it.... Ok, I will bite, let's hear it!

^^^^^^LoooooooooooL It is sad state of affairs. And only Cadde and his inept administration is to blame.When the dust settles, I hope the likes of Cadde would never come back to Pland.

LoooooooL@Seefta galka ka sar Waxaan ka cabsanayaa dad badan inay qoorta ka gooso

^^Good one

^^^^^^^^^^LooooooooooooL..War Kashafa, does your struggle contain actual dead Ethiopians or you are content Somalis continue killing each other?

Originally posted by NGONGE: ^^ is cult the new misnomer for Somaliland? Actually, you're right, it does resemble a cult. At least it makes more sense than the usual term used: Riyaale's SNM Militias. ps Most of these men are not politicians by nature. The only man that I regard as a proper politician is Abdullahi Yusuf. The rest are all riff-raff forcing themselves on this fine art. LooooooooooooooL....It is, and for good reason. One must of the cited arguments for secession is that 97% of all landers support the dismemberment of Somalia. Whoever estimated this number didn't even leave a room for statistical errors. What are the chances that many people agreed on the same thing. And what's even more astounding is apart from you who's takes detached view of everything Somali, and the girls who see little value in encouraging what's essentially a pissing contest between men, everyone else in these threads hailing from the North Western Somalia are in agreement when it comes to the current situation in las Anod. It is reasonable to assume this is the making of cult considering how similiar everybody's views are. And I hate when people do or say things out of context. Those inciting the Las Anod situation including this minister fella calling the for massacre of Garowe and Bososo residents doesn't seem to appreciate the brutal realities of the Somalis in general. Somaliland and Puntland could hardly be called a legitimate governments that they are representative of their people's ambitions and inspirations.These administrations do little for their people, and why would they. They are headed by the very same men who brought down the former Republic. If they were good for anything, it was to ensure a peaceful coexistence between northern tribes till proper Somali state emerges. It is beyond me why would Somaliland risk the one thing that assured a lasting peace. Maybe Landers really bought into crap,and sincerely believe that they could over-run everyone. Looking back into Somali history, I would say that's unlikely to happen. When it is all said and done, this wouldn't be a war between two states, it would be nasty war between two tribal entities. And I have a thousand year Somali history to prove me right. Now the question is are people ready for Dimasho iyo Barakac. And I'm not under the illusion that my people will win this or lose, what I do know is this would turn norther Somalia into another graveyard,and the blame this time around squarely at Hargeysa's court.

^^I don't. What I want is peaceful coexistence, but that seem to be lost on your cult. People of Pland have the right to defend, and yes in that regard, I'm behind them.

^^Regrettably he is just general sentiment. And I thought Faisal Waraabe was the only nut, but I guess not. P.S. "He is just jerk" is not good excuse. I guess war is the only thing the cult wants, and they shall have their war.

And that's fate reer Sool uu la rabo....Amazing Dhiiq wuu qulquli, but unfortunately it will be on both sides. The short-sightedness of some will cost of Northern Somalia a heavy price.

LooooooooL@strenghting security....LA was secure and peaceful.Nabad iyo daaris wanaag la diidye bal dagaal dad meel gaarsiiyo hala arko.

What's was he thinking? Somaliland uma baahna Dhiig qulqula' G/kuxigeenka 2aad ee Golaha Wakiillada oo ka jawaabay hadal ka soo yeedhay Wasiirka Warfaafinta Somaliland.Org — Hargeisa, Somaliland — 17 October, 2007 Hargeysa (Somaliland.org) – Guddoomiyekuxigeenka 2aad ee Golaha Wakiillada, mudane Baashe Maxamed Faarax ayaa dhaliilay hadalo ka soo yeedhay Wasiirka Warfaafinta oo ka hadlay dagaalka Laascaanood, isla markaana ku hanjabey in dhiig qulquli doono Boosaaso iyo Garoowe. Mudane Baashe oo shalay saxaafadda la hadlay waxa uu cambaareeyey hadalka wasiirka oo uu ku tilmaamay mid kicinaya xaaladda Gobolka Sool ee la doonayo in la dejiyo, isaga oo sheegay in xaaladdii milateri ee Laascaanood ay dhammaatay, haatanna loo baahan yahay siyaasad lagu kasbado dadka gobolka. Mudane Baashe, waxa kale oo uu sheegay in hadalka wasiirku ka soo horjeedo siyaasadda Somaliland ee ah in ay derisyadeeda kula dhaqanto nabadgelyo. "Laascaanood xaaladeedu aad bay u fiican tahay, wax dhibaato ah oo gudaheeda ka jiraana ma jiraan. Dadkii waxay garteen in waxa dhacay inuu laba maamul oo is beddelay uu yahay, " ayuu yidhi mudane Baashe. Waxana uu intaas ku daray in dadka reer Laascaanood ay iyagu garteen in maamulka Somaliland la wareego magaalada, sidaana ay ku tageen. "Ciidanku waa guuleystey, waajibaadkiisiina wuu gutey. Waxa loo baahan yahay hadda waxa weeye, in dadka la kiciyo looma baahna, hadalo aan meesha ku jirina in la yidhaahdo maaha, " ayuu yidhi. "Waxaan aad uga xumaaday wasiirka hadalkiisa markaan dhegeystey hadal lagu hadlo ma ahayn... Somaliland dhiig qulqula ma rabto, waxay rabtaa wadahadal iyo nabadgelyo inay kula noolaato jaararkeeda; in hadaladaas oo kale – dhiig baa Boosaaso iyo Garoowe qulquli doona – nin masuul ah oo wasiir ah inuu yidhaahdo may ahayn, " ayuu raaciyey Baashe. Guddoomiyekuxigeenka 2aad ee Golaha Wakiillada, mudane Baashe, waxa uu intaas ku daray oo uu sheegay in waxa maanta loo baahan ay tahay "Guul Siyaasadeed" iyo in la dejiyo dadka. Waxana uu sheegay in hadalka Wasiirku wax uu kharribo mooyaane aanu waxba hagaajinayn. "Annaga, siyaasiyiinta Sool ka soo jeeddana dhaawac weyn buu hadalkaasi nagu yahay. annagu waxaanu rabnaa hadda in meeshii la dejiyo; Puntland waxaanu isku hayney maamul, waa siyaasad, " ayuu yidhi mudane Baashe. Isaga oo sheegay in dadka reer Sool ay la kala safnaayeen Somaliland iyo Puntland, labada dhinacna ay ka dagaalamayeen. Sidaas darteedna loo baahan yahay in dib loo kasbado ninka reer Sool ee la jira Puntland, dadkana la dejiyo. Wasiirka Warfaafinta, mudane Axmed X. Daahir Cilmi oo dorraad u hadlay xukuumadda, isagoo ka warbixinaya dagaalkii ciidamada Somaliland ku qabsadeen magaalada Laascaanood Isniintii, ayaa sheegay in haddii Puntland wax ku qaadan weydo "dhirbaaxadaas" uu dhiiggu qulquli doono Garoowe iyo Boosaaso. Wasiirka Warfaafinta, mudane Axmed X. Daahir waxa la sheegay dhowaan in si kulul loogu cannaantay faafinta sawirrada maxaabiistii ciidamada Somaliland ku soo qabqabteen dagaalkii ka dhacay duleedka Laascaanood 1dii bishan Oktoober, kuwaas oo ay shabakadaha wararka iyo wargeysyada ka soo baxa caasimaddaba ay ku faafisay Wasaaradda Warfaafintu. Waxa kale oo lagu dhalliilay wasiirka warfaafinta waraysi uu siiyey BBC-da, kadib dagaalkii ciidanka Somaliland iyo kuwa maamulgoboleedka Puntland ku dhexmaray degmada Dhahar bishii March, markaas oo uu sheegay tirada gaadiidka tiknikada loo yaqaanno ee Somaliland u dirtay deegaankaas, taas oo lagu tilmaamay sir ciidan oo aan la sheegin. Cabdirisaaq M. Dubbad, Hargeysa. E-mail: dubad@Somaliland.com

LoooooooL@SNM ceased at 91. That's besides the point. They are part of the very foundations of Somaliland. But I agree with the double dealing by reer Sool greedy so called politicians partly to blame for today's debacle.

And Yeah this is for Juje. Here are the sentiments of the Darwiish people regardless of what cult supporters would post on these pages.

Originally posted by Jimcaale: ^It does specially when you're asked if war is still going on. That too Aw Jimcaale. Laakin I was specifically talking Juje. I remembered he didn't agreed with the politics of the Maxaakimta, and even somewhat favored TFG, but the advent with Habashi, he made complete U-turn, and start hitting the TFG real hard along with it's Pland thieves, and somewhat praised the stand taken by some Somaliland leaders. Now with this, Juje is pissed that Buluugey is no longer flying in LA. He is not the cult's flag flying high in a Somali land. P.S. Haabsade has no credibility left.

LoooooooooooooL@Juje....It sucks to be a Somali. It turns you into schizophrenic

Ayoub..Isn't Somaliland the product of clan movement (SNM)?. "Clan bond" was the backbone of SNM. It is rather ironic you accuse of others following "clan bond" while you owe your very existence to "clan bond". As for Pland, nobody denies it is clan entity. It was by design meant to be that till a legitimate Somali government that treats all citizens fairly and justly is erected. And it is worthy mentioning reer Sool were of the building blocks of this entity. And this fact seems to lost on many people. They were neither coerced nor forced to join it. Even if we are to take Pland out of the picture, it is abundantly clear that reer Sool are against the secessionist cult movement and are for united Somalia. Hired guns from Sool wouldn't change that simple fact just as Xildhibaano and TFG ministers from NortherWest wouldn't change Somaliland's drive for independence. Peace and mutual respect is what could save northern Somali tribes from each other. Anyone that undermines that will turn this region into another southern Somalia. As for Pland forces elsewhere, I think most sane Planders would agree that they have no business doing fighting on behalf of treacherous entity. Pland however has never imposed itself on the lands of its neighboring Somali tribes in case point southern Galkayo and Mudug. P.S. No one is keeping from Las Anod as long as you come in peace. I'm sure you wouldn't want me to come to Burco with all my guns.

Khalaf....You are taking things out of context. The point is Yeey's ascendence to Villa Somalia, and Cadde extremely corrupt nature has contributed or to put bluntly depleted the ability of Pland forces to withstand attacks from external/internal forces. The failure in defending Sool squarely falls at the feet.

It is matter of either sacrifising the TFG or Reer SSC. I rather sacrifise the former rather than the latter. P.S. Years of mismanagement and missappropiation of taxe monies, and not to mention complete lack of effective leadership has sink Pland into deep trouble.