With the exception of the mosque and your family arranging your marriage how else do Nigab-type religious Muslim woman get married :confused: . Cause i sure as hell know that the latter is no longer something woman nowadays accept. My take on it is that woman are segregated from males in Dugsis at a young age and are taught not to asscosciate or chat with males always especially when pursuing education.

^ I was quite delusioned when i believed that they had a 60,000 standing army.

Ngonge @ They have 800,000 men they can conscript, but doesnt mean the army is that large.

7,000 loooool I think even Puntland has a bigger army, waxaa fiican anii TFG ka iyo Puntland anii iskuru tagaan. laakin how could their army be smaller than Alshabaabs with a budget of 6.8Million annually.

* Centurion main battle tanks, 20 * M47 Patton main battle tanks, 25 * T-54/T-55 main battle tanks, 15 * T-34 medium tanks, 17 * M41 Walker Bulldog light tanks, 11 * Panhard AML 90 armoured cars, 7 * BRDM-2 reconnaissance vehicles, 2 * BTR-50 tracked armored personnel carriers ,16 * BTR-40, BTR-60 and BTR-152 wheeled armored personnel carriers, 12 * Fiat 6614/6616 armored personnel carriers, 14 * BMR-600 armored personnel carriers, 4 * BM-21 mobile rocket launchers, 75 * BGM-71 TOW anti-tank guided missiles, 32 * M198 towed howitzers, 21 * T-72 main battle tanks, 20 I cant see why they would make it up, if anyone could refute it, refute these figures with facts and sources; because if it was inaccurate it would have been taken down by the netizens.

@XAJi Has the Somaliland leader tried to contact and negotiate with the TFG about the future of Somalia for the sake of civillians, no, Somaliland chose to remain ignorant about Somalia and isolate itself to the point where it bribed Kenyans for recognition. The point is about unity.

@KHADAR I read a similar number in a website in the past, considering That figure hasnt been taken down for some time i thought itd be accurate to cite it from Wikipedia. It doesnt have a citation, but let a Somalilander explain it anyways; im sure they put it up there in the first place Regardless of whether that number is accurate or not their millitary and security force easily have been powerful enough to overthrow the warlords in 2004. Im not talking about the Islamists for now just the warlords.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_Somaliland The Army numbers around 60,000 with army vehicles and tanks, and in 2004 all the warlords combined numbered around a couple of thousands. If they had a sense of Somalinimo they would have helped the TFG established a government during those times instead of waging war against Puntland and sucking up to Ethiopia. The Somalilanders would probably then stand a chance of having a seccession; but you havent made any progress towards it and have just isolated and made a future "Somalia state" more hostile towards the goal. If all the regions in Somalia were united we would have long gotten out of this civil war thats my take on this.

^ I work 4 Free

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/16/world/africa/16somalia.html

"Where did I say eradication of entire population is in line with Islam" Alshabaab is currently doing this to anyone that doesnt follow their extremist brand of the religion; this is to Muslims, and Christians are directly being hunted within the country by them and their affiliates. They dont know the proper shariah which has many stages of deciding whether someone is guilty or not and has judicial processes; they just convict whoever they like and kill em in the most brutal way. So if you support the Alshaytaan then you support ethnic cleansing and mass killing. Alshabaab and Taliban are the same thing, saaxib, much of their leaders came from fighters there. And this guy follows exactly that.

@CARA true, but our current problems make up for it. @Ngonge

The culture and people are different but Japan went through an identical situation, having a long and turbulent history gives your people and nation experience and change. Our problem was that we dont have a history of a state and each region and people have not collectively had civil wars in the past, conflict and dissagreements on a large scaele such as United states, France, Iran etc. Some country dont need this type of experience such as Tanzania and Malaysia. But almost every country in Europe and Middle east had it. This experience gives you a glorious future even if it is filled with wars. The more a country goes through the better its future will be. I believe that civil wars and other problems are part of the process.

It was Alshabaab who carried it out and still people defend them. Cajjib. :confused:

"It set the standards of insanity so high that I don't think anyone (neighbour or else) will ever beat that." There are countries that beat us in modern times in both length and casualty. Stop with the mindless dribble. Only couple of tens of thousands got directly killed; most deaths came from famines and you know its only the South that its currently having problem. No one in the Horn likes Ethiopia im guessing even Djibouti with their large Somali population dislike it. If they and Eritrea had their way geopolitically they would probably have the same views. Ethiopia is a neocolonia fake state which by force holds on to its population; Somalis would not have a problem with them if they gave the ****** self determination. But as always its gonna end in war.

^ Does it include the ****** region too, you could say all the regions that dont break off along with Somalia shouldnt be claimed by us. Thats a way we can permanently stay away from that crazy neighbour of ours. ***** stands for the area in Western ethiopia which is inhabited by Ethnic Somalis

I forget about Warlordism as well. "During most of the 16th century, before the Tokugawa era, Japan was tormented by repeated wars among rival warlords (see Sengoku Era). Each warlord had several castles, neighbouring land with peasants and a private army of samurai."

Walahi i spotted many, just to note them Piracy - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wokou they used to terrorise the east asian coast just like our folks do in the gulf of aden http://www.chinahistoryforum.com/index.php?/topic/32719-similarity-between-japanese-wokou-and-somali -pirates/?s=277a26bd6cf7e02fcd4f45f36c87c089 The chinese folks discussing the similarities. Theirs was just more brutal. Qabilinism (clan wars)Japan is divided into dozens of clans which had Division because of clanism - numerous, never ending civil wars http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genpei_War The clan situation reached an extent where every Samurai clan family controlled their own region and their are dozens of clans in Japan. Countrys history and population genetically and historically linked to China yet fought wars, China being the big fish just like Ethiopia is today, our invasions are justified though. You know where the most eastern country in Africa and the shape and curve is similar to Japans country and our land is suposed to break away like Japans did in a 100 years time. Both countries have few natural recources Hope this could be a sign of motivation walahi, if the Japanese could get through it so could we. We just need a unifier or a revolutionary person. Where are the men that are suposed to do this.

http://www.nefafoundation.org/miscellaneous/FeaturedDocs/awlakishebab1208.pdf Theres more of it here

^ Walahi haduu Awlaki ka dabahari lahaa Bin laden iyo saaxibiis waxwa ma laku lahaani lahayn, sira aabihis bu gurikisa iska jookilahaa iyo he would still be preaching the religion properly in the mosque But hes the one who affliated and got involved with high ranking terrorists in Yemen and made friendly contacts with terrorist organizations like Alshabaab and made contacts encouraging and radicalizing people like Umar Farouk and Nidal Malik Hassan. Im not asking for this guy to be killed but persecuted, the Yemeni government actually asked him to hand himself over and promised that they wouldnt harm him but he didnt hand himself over and countinued his miscchief. Wallahi in this case you could justify harming or killing him. fiiri wuxuu yiri In December 2008, Anwar al-Awlaki sent a communique to Al-Shabaab, congratulating them. He thanked them for "giving us a living example of how we as Muslims should proceed to change our situation. The ballot has failed us, but the bullet has not". In conclusion, he wrote: "if my circumstances would have allowed, I would not have hesitated in joining you and being a soldier in your ranks".

I dont think Secularism will work anymore saxiib, we need to try something that will replace qabilinism and unite the people and i believe Islam can do that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_al-Awlaki#Sharif_Mobley He is linked to Nidal malik Hassan, Abdul Farouk and encouraged and glorified Al shabaab. To the American people ... nine years after 9/11, nine years of spending, and nine years of beefing up security you are still unsafe even in the holiest and most sacred of days to you, Christmas Day.... Our brother Umar Farouk has succeeded in breaking through the security systems that have cost the U.S. government alone over 40 billion dollars since 9/11

I cant believe people are defending this guy, if a renowned sheikh like sudais today decides to kill someone does that mean you would have to pick up their past to justify the killing. He would be executed just like anyone else. And Anwlaki atleast deserves to be persecuted for his actions. e

Read this https://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php?t=1777 Theres a chance they may be related to us.