Originally posted by rudy-Diiriye: Hes 2 much reerbaadiyee! tell him to stick to hearding camels. Somalis should elect Rudy as president: My govt will do following: -destroy all warlords n clan cheerleaders..put them in a concentration camp till they stop this bad behavior. -establish a govt which is for all somali pple. -all some govt workers will need to have at least ba degree from world credited universties. -all govt workers will be elected from a region other than their native regions. -religion and govt will be 2 separated entities. -enforce equal rights for all somalis dispite sex and religion. -no taxation enforced on people at all. -all govt workers will work for the people as volunteers without a pay. -govt goal is to bring all 5 somali regions as one nation within 10 yrs and work for the progress of all somali people. -govt officals should resign every 4 yrs and elect new govt officals. my goal. Rudy, you should become the President. lol. I think its perfect, no taxing, fair democracy, Greater SOmalia policy! thats my favourite. This is the kind of answer i wanted. Thanks.

Hmm only two comments, shidh .... and here i thought i was opening up an interesting thread, i should be less naive when creating a thread in this unpredictable place.

Kadabahar CUSHITIC Niyow, your threads are honestly filled with them. Its a language a branch of the Afro Asiatic languages family not an ethnicity like your making out to be. There are Cushitic speakers in Ethiopia that are nilotic and have nothing to do ethnically with Somalis. Waxaa qortay caadi ma aheyn, i hope to see the next part.

^ Your assuming the zionist movement began after the holocaust and that their sole justification to that land was because of holocaust, which isnt correct; Zionism began in the late 1800s and was endorsed by the British colonial power right after ww1 (Ottoman defeat), there was also large scale jewish immigration to that land during the following period. Do you also know that the Kingdom of Israel and Judah was located in Modern day Israel, thats why the Jews claim their ancient roots there and not in Europe. I think you need to learn more about the Idealogy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism I think Nazism just created larger sympathy from the west, but a Jewish state would have been established there no doubt whether the Arabs cried foul or not!

Originally posted by Peacenow: This is what you will see soon in the streets of that land. Your clocks are ticking. Where will you go to, when the Brits kick you out. You have no country. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8663695.stm?ls War this guy lives in Italy, i dont wish to leave but my family would be pocketing £250,000 pounds.

Reer Magaal

Funniest bit has to be the way they drew him, a skinny head and oversized afro. Ilaahay geyr ha ku siiye

What would be the first things youd do, in response to the economy and politics. Etc, Centralise control in the country or have federal system, what sort of changes would you make to the economy, would you have a sucular system, Would you abolish qabiil through education or other means, How free would your country and economy be it Socialism or Capitalism, How to deal with Somaliland in bringing them and then subsequently OGD Region, Join many organizations and become a big voice in politics like Qadaffi or isolationalist, Foreign policy, pro Arab? Taxation and other stuff Basically in short Would you heavily divert much of the national budget annually on education, Millitary, Roads, construction; You cant do much of these stuff in large scale in Year 1 and 2 obviously How would you start off For example Year 1: (Focus on bringing back and providing Somalis living in camps and refugees in Yemen back in Somalia) ..... ..... Year 4 Mass Literacy campaigns Year 5 Beaf up the millitary and fund Industries You get voted back in office Year 6 ........

Mashallah for the graduates Now when are we going to liberate the OGD?

If the TFG does the same thing, then my apologies for posting this. But its true Alshabaab takes the moral high ground, they should atleast act accordingly and not imitate or follow in the footsteps of their enemies.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7967594.stm We all know these hideous crimes of bombing places of worship use to happen when the Pakistan Government use to wage war against the Taliban and the Taliban in response intentionally use to blow and open fire on mosques for various reasons And this is exactly the same events being played out; the same tactics are being used and you can see the ideology that promotes it is foreign and not Somali or Shaffii. Brace yourself for anything that might happen in Somalia whether its similar to Mumbai killings, Mass killing of Sufis, or whatever. These deviants are capable of that and they will do it, like they have just shown.

^ Ask Maadey! Theyre his liberators.

Even when the youngsters choose to fight their brainwashed by the religious warlord. They should be behaving like responsible, moral adults but the crazies instead accept them.

Evidence that the TFG recruits children as young as 8? And are you telling me the things Shariif is saying is made up or that the UN made up his story? Any thing to back up these claims. Waxwa mahaysiid saaxib; wallahi ive personally seen pictures of children marching with Assualt rifles with Alshabaab but i never thought that they would actually use them to fight their battles. This news just confirms.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ioMysGvvQn2OdwtabtVPnjghqF-wD9FE504G0 I dont even know what to say walaahi. Somali militants increasing use of child soldiers By KATHARINE HOURELD (AP) – 1 day ago MOGADISHU, Somalia — Sharif says he was 10 when his religious teacher led his class into a poor neighborhood of Somalia's capital to pray for a sick relative. Suddenly Islamist fighters jumped from the shadows and ordered the children onto buses, the beginning of a terrifying two years as a child soldier. The class was taken to a training base in the south of the anarchic country, Sharif says, where Somali and foreign instructors showed them how to use weapons and set ambushes. The boy says before battle he was sometimes given drugs that made him feel like he could "pick up a tank and throw it aside like a telephone." The recruitment of child fighters in Somalia is on the rise, both by the government and particularly by the country's most powerful Islamist militia, al-Shabab, whose name means "the youth." Al-Shabab's recruitment of children may partly stem from a lack of willing adults, who have been alienated by Islamist attacks on traditional Sufi saints and bans on everything from chewing qat, a mildly narcotic leaf, to school bells and music. "Better informed, smarter, older people are saying they don't want to join" al-Shabab, said E.J. Hogendoorn, a Nairobi-based analyst at the International Crisis Group. "The sad reality with modern infantry weapons is that all you really need is a kid to operate them." UNICEF, the section of the U.N. dealing with children's rights, said children as young as 9 are being targeted and often taken through force or deception, said Denise Shepherd-Johnson, a Nairobi-based spokeswoman, citing information received from monitors in Somalia. "Children are being systematically recruited and used in ever larger numbers for military and related purposes by all of the major combatant groups," she said. "The number of bases and camps used to train these children is commensurately widespread and appears to be growing." An aid worker in Kenya tracking child recruitment says cases verified by their partner organizations in Somalia have risen from five in September to a high of 26 in January, when Somalia was awash with rumors of an imminent government offensive. Since the government toned down its rhetoric, the numbers have fallen slightly to 20 children recruited in February and 18 in March. The figures represent a small fraction of child fighters, the aid worker said, because they only record new recruits and many cases could not be fully documented due to insecurity. Staff often reported seeing scores of children in camps but were only able to verify the details of one or two, she said. She asked for her name and her organization's name to be withheld to protect staff from retribution. Human Rights Watch documented several cases of children fighting in militias in a report released last week. A mother said her 14- and 12-year-old sons had been seized by militants from an Islamic school. Her uncle was killed for trying to find them and she stopped trying after receiving death threats, the report said. Sharif escaped last month, waiting until nightfall and then sneaking past the guards with six friends. Now the slender, dark-eyed boy is too afraid to go home. If he does, his family could be killed by the insurgents who control their neighborhood. As he talks about his fears, his quick smile disappears and his eyes drop to the floor. His voice slows to a mumble. There are many things he doesn't want to talk about: the weapons training; the battles he says he was in; what happened to his classmates. "I don't know," he says at first when asked what happened to the children taken along with him. Then later, so quietly the translator asks him to repeat himself, "I think they are dead." Sharif's parents, whom he hasn't seen for two years, don't know their son is being cared for by African Union peacekeepers, who allowed The Associated Press to talk with Sharif on the condition his last name wasn't used in order to protect him and his family. Children have been used by militants across Africa because they are easier to indoctrinate than adults and easier to care for. They also make up the bulk of the Somali population — more than half the country's estimated 7.5 million residents are under 18. One al-Shabab fighter, Abuhamza Abul-kadir, admitted the movement used child fighters but said they were volunteers. "We have many young fighters, I do not want to say a figure," Abul-kadir said. "Some of them are as young as 13 but we never force them to join us, they are driven by their own will for the ongoing jihad." The Islamists are not the only group with child fighters. Col. Ahmed Aden Dhayow says the government also has under-18s among its ranks. "I have seen number of child soldiers recruited by the government but all of them chose the profession to shift for their lives and as survival," Dhayow said. "We never intentionally recruit children." Government-allied militia Ahlu Sunnah Wal Jama and government forces also use child fighters. Mohamed Ahmed Ali, a 14-year-old recruit from the government-allied militia, said he chose to join after his religious teacher urged him. He said a couple of hundred children fought in the militia. At 14, he and some of his clan consider that he is already an adult. Some fighters with the militia were as young as 10, he said. "Our Quranic teacher asked us to take up arms against al-Shabab and we accepted his plea," Ali said by phone from the central Somali town of Dusamareb. "It is an Islamic duty to fight these misled fighters with distorted ideologies." The teen said he'd like to continue his studies, but that "education comes when we finish off al-Shabab." #

The question should be why you should seccede in the first place? because the article doesnt address it just talks about the implications in case seccionism happens. There are no solid reasons for seccession, seccessionism is usually based on ethnic differences. In this case their are none Edit: its saddening how British colonialism has ruined the Somali people; i cant think of a nation in Africa thats been affected this much, colonialism has already been universally agreed on to have a negative impact on the ruled people for example all the genocides in Africa such as in Rwanda, the ****** from Ethiopia, Kuwait, Kurds and Christian Iraqis in Iraq, the division of Korea into North and South. In every case its been mainly negative. And the cajiib thing after all the deaths the crazies from the Northwest base everything on it. Even the British are laughing at the ********* of that country, otherwise they would have recognized you. Theyve used that territory simply for their own gain for travel between India and youll use to create more bloodshed and more division between the Somali people. Actually simple there will be no Somaliland, were either going to invade you lot by force or if that doesnt work introduce a one Somalia policy; like the one used against Taiwan by China So in any case the international community would be forced not to recognized you

Carribeans along with Sikhs are generally regarded to have assimilated and not viewed so much a problem by "BNP" and "UKIP" folks.

But according to Professor Wasuge, the largest source of income in contention between spouses falls outside the welfare system. Most Somali women living in Europe benefit from an interest-free loan system. Shalongo, as it is known in Somali, involves large sums of money, managed centrally, which circulate within a fixed number of women. The Shalongo can raise between £5,000 and £12,000 annually for a woman who needs it – depending on how much is invested. This sum has to be repaid in instalments over an agreed period of no less than a year Ibtiiiiiii This Shalango is something my mom and her friends do, ah it brings back memories when we use to have have financial problems when discussing how to use the money properly. It just shows common Daqan like these are among the Somali people. But anyways I believe us men are the culprits in marriage breakdowns; because of their traditional marriage custom and way of life like the article says, ive seen 1 or 2 Families break because of these reason. The blame lies squarely on them, laakin i dont think the next generation will have these view on woman.

Alshabaab did ban it in South Somalia right? lets hope the people there learn a lesson until theres a state.

Originally posted by General Duke: Hogwash from Cowke as usual. Adeer, the Presidency of the republic of Somalia is not the exclusive right of any clan. Neither do I believe the capital of the republic is also. As usual you have no real argument. The failed policies of the last 20 years, on concentrating on Mogadishu have had their day. A new Somali centric approach must be sought and the stable regions must be utilized. Hales, I disagree with your assumptions of the power of Al Shabaab. The reason why Al Shabaab are so successful in the south is that they face no real opposition, Sharif without AMISOM would not last 10 minutes in Mogadishu. The fact that Al Shabaab are unable to defeat 4000 African troops also highlights the fallacy that somehow they defeated the Ethiopians. The Ethiopians & the international community wanted to prolong the war, and hence the selection of the Sharif and the consequent set of devastating events. Whats Shariif and any leader suposed to do other than continue the fight :confused: youve got to understand that the TFG does not control a state and an economy and simply relies on foreign entities. The same same thing goes Yusuf and any other leader they were also dependent on Ethiopia or the US And just like the others his rule is consolidated by America and Puntland and i think they also receive Remittances from the diaspora. Saaxib if Americas not gonna put some more support and money into the whole thing then we might aswell leave the South to its rightfull winner and that at the moment seems to be Alshabaab. Amisom are just a group of defenders thats all they cant leave their strategic spots and gain land otherwise they would be rooted. The TFG are currently being bested in battles because of the lack of recources in weaponry not because Shariff is a bad decision maker.

Atually this is the first time a Somali TFG leader has dealt with this sort of leader against such a powerful, Yusuf called in the EThiopians to Crush the ICU but they were at the end routed by Alshabaab. What im annoyed by is the lack of outside help from the Arab world, the United States and not to forget Somaliland. Have you read the article which spoke about the lack of recources and weapons the government; lol i remember them memtioning that the soldiers were using sticks instead of rifles to train. In my opinion the TFG and Amisom are just prolonging Somali suffering might aswell do whats inevitable if this continues which is surrender. I dont care if Alshabaab afterwards turns the N and Northwest into a hellhole. They would rightfully be blamed for it for their weaknesses in the face of such an enemy. And if Alshabaab turns the south into a base for Alqaeda and exports terrorism then the international community will be the only ones to blame for their lack of support to the TFG. A future Somali state might not exist in the next couple of decades and its time we got that into our psychology; and we have no one but ourselfs to blame for that and no that does not include the men born after 1991

Jabhad @ saxib That liberation statement was ridiculous of me, i was too emotional when i wrote it. But this guy says he control the desert and villages and controls the cities at night; if this is true then then you would have taken his views more seriously. You say the numbers are not accurate No one is saying these estimates are accurate from both sides, considering the population is in general difficult to count because of the nomadic culture of the populace and also take in the fact that Ethiopia recource-wise is poor. But saying they dont have a clue is going over the top. Plus its not clear that the 4.5 Million Ethiopian government figure is politically motivated otherwise they would do the same thing for other regions and this is from 2005 when the area wasnt perceieved by them to be as much of a threat. "If numbers were anything Oromia would have taken over all the horn already." This statement is so random and uninformed,lol.

http://******ation.blogspot.com/2009/11/asharq-al-awsat-talks-to-onlf-leader.html According to this guy the Somalis number at around 8Million, but Ethiopian cencus puts it at 4.5; i also have a hard time believing the Ethiopians since they can skew the number for political reasons. But 8Million is larger than the 10Million Somalis in Somalia. Plus take Somaliland out that would put it at 7.6 Million. theres no way you can liberate that many and even if you do; successfully have the recources and the money to hold on to it.

^ Well they would be certainly have better technology but that doesnt mean their more powefull creatures. If you dont what they are then you dont know their natural weaknesses and strengths. But if they did invade, id be among the first to ravage them, whatever they are The the way to know extraterrestrial exist is to know your religion; they would say in the quran and hadith, but they dont The Signs of Judgement days are Gog and maggog and Dajjal (antichrist) those are the closest beings i believe that will be anything like aliens.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20100425/tod-contacting-aliens-a-bad-idea-warns-h-870a197.html "We only have to look at ourselves to see how intelligent life might develop into something we wouldn't want to meet," he said. "I imagine they might exist in massive ships, having used up all the resources from their home planet. "Such advanced aliens would perhaps become nomads, looking to conquer and colonise whatever planets they can reach." "If aliens visit us, the outcome would be much as when Columbus landed in America, which didn't turn out well for the Native Americans." "To my mathematical brain, the numbers alone make thinking about aliens perfectly rational," he explained. "The real challenge is to work out what aliens might actually be like." You know i never thought he would say such sensational things, but it does raise my hopes that their are aliens out there. What kind of Calculations did he do to work out that Alians exist and are set out to colonize other planets; how would he work out that they are more advanced than us. Your opinion on this super unexpected thing from Hawkings