Hold on hes a Porno producer and his crimes did not involve him killing or raping anyone. His crimes would relatively amount to deportation but what are these calls for executing. :confused:

Lol@ 1/3 of Somalia Puntland including Sool and Sanaaq has the same population as 1990 Mogadishu. Awoowe Somaliland including Sool and Sanaaq is 3.7M +, Puntland although registered at 2.5 (including Sool and Sanaaq which are around 600,000) is really if you include the main clan, the clan from Goldogob and the Burtinle are around 1.8M max (likely lower). This is my estimate sxb.

Clan is everything I read that Zack is actually from Kismayo rather than Somali Galbeed, if that is true; then he knows his tolka very well as we can see his political priorities on SOL. Pacifism is what should be springing to seccessionist minds, rather than mindless mundane conquests which can cause aggrievances. Somaliland has never done that before.

Zak@ whilst i agree that reer Bari use DH in many cases i have to correct you though on the population estimate of Bari and Waqooyi which is far off They do do not add up to 6m, by waqooyi i assume your reffering to the 'I' clan who at the most are 2.3M. Bari even at its highest estimate does not go past 1M.

Some interesting stuff.

Youll never get capture Buhoodle; the way you did Widh widh simply because the entire populace despises your precense in the region.

Congrats to Siilaanyo, by accomplishing the exhibiting task of sitting on the famous chair.

Yeah and one is from goldogob we can't really call him a puntlander How about i divide the Habros into sub clan, surely in that sense their not all the same either.

These people coming directly from the South are not eating up any recources considering they live in camps and that is organised and funded by aid groups such as UNHCR. Unless your talking about diaspora Somalis (who arent from your clan) buying houses in the region. Secondly if were talking about refugee destination; figures show that Southerners have got far larger precense in cities such as Bosaaso; areas where they are actively welcomed to live and are not abondoned and sometimes receive training for jobs.

CHe@ Hes refering to the tribes that do not inhabit the parts which are confined to the colonial borders of his imaginery country.

Im fully aware of the age of the article, but i still believe it holds relevance and in the political framework in SOmalia, im also aware that it is being proposed by an infamous figure still in power Melez. Meles Proposes a Two-State Solution for Somalia According to a source with intimate knowledge about the affairs of the hilltop palace of Meles Zenawi, the prime minister of Ethiopia, who is not willing to be quoted due to the sensitivity of the issue, Meles has commissioned a committee of Somali specialists early this year to come up with a strategic analysis and a menu of options with respect to Ethiopian national interest towards Somalia. The committee chaired by Ethiopia’s foremost expert on Somalia, Dr. Alemu Tekede, minister of state for foreign affairs, comprised senior officials of the ruling EPRDF, several military generals and security and intelligence officers. According to the source, after five long months of deliberations, the committee submitted to Meles a well-thought-out “red” dossier containing confidential policy proposals in last August. The committee of experts persuasively argued that the reconstitution of Somalia to its pre-1991 status would not serve the national interest of Ethiopia. Furthermore, the committee emphasized the possibility of landlocked Ethiopia becoming “sandwiched” between two hostile countries, i.e. Eritrea in the north and Somalia in the south, underlining Ethiopia’s vulnerability to gruesome civil-war and disintegration if the current Ethiopian efforts in Somalia fail and the country fall back to the hand of ousted Islamic forces. The committee further emphasized the possibility of Ethiopian Muslims becoming influenced or radicalized by Somalia’s Islamists which could ultimately ignite a devastating religious war in the country. The committee recommended the following propositions: 1 A two-state solution for Somalia along the pre-independence colonial boundaries. The committee suggested the Ethiopian government play a lead role in advocating for the international recognition of the breakaway republic of Somaliland. 2 Southern Somalia (former Italian Somaliland) to be divided into four federal regions in line with ethnic based Ethiopian federal system, namely, Puntland, Hawiyeland, Jubbaland and Rahanweinland. 3 The Somali region of Ethiopia to be “isolated” from the rest of Somalia, and limit to the extent possible commercial and traffic links between the Somali region and Somalia. According to the source, Meles has discussed the proposed two state solutions with Rayaale Kahin, the president of Somaliland, Abdillahi Yusuf, the president of the TFG, and with Mohamed Gedi, the prime minister of the TFG, in separate meetings held in September in Addis Ababa. While Mr. Yusuf rejected any discussion on the subject, Mr. Rayaale has praised the initiative and committed to deploy ten thousand Somaliland troops in Mogadishu to work with Ethiopian military forces to help quell the growing insurgency in the Somali capital. Mr. Rayaale also assured Meles that Somaliland will help Ethiopia in subduing the ****** National Liberation Front (ONLF), a Somali rebel group based in the Somali region of Ethiopia. According to the source, Mr. Gedi began to entertain the two-state notion after the rift between him and Mr. Yusuf reached to a point of no-return, though he reportedly rebuffed the idea in the initial discussion back in September. The relationship between Yusuf and Meles has deteriorated since, according to this knowledgeable source. Subsequent to the September discussion between Meles and Rayaale, a Somaliland delegation comprising ministers of foreign affairs and finance and chief of staff of Somaliland army held several meetings in Addis Ababa with Dr. Tekede and the chief of staff of Ethiopian National Defense Forces (ENDF). The two sides discussed the role Somaliland can play in quelling the growing insurgency in Mogadishu and part of the Somali region of Ethiopia, deployment of Ethiopian troops to Berbera to protect Ethiopian military hardware coming through the Somaliland controlled Red Sea port and Ethiopia’s support to Rayaale’s re-election for another five years term. The Somaliland delegation highlighted the fear of Somaliland drifting towards Eritrea if the KULMIYE opposition party wins the presidential election scheduled to take place mid next year. The Somaliland delegation also tabled a number of evidences accusing Puntland of providing sanctuary to ONLF and Oromo dissident groups. The Somaliland delegation has agreed to send an advance team of military officers to Mogadishu to pave the way for the eventual deployment of Somaliland troops in Mogadishu and to extradite to Ethiopia members of the ****** clan residing in the territory of Somaliland. Ethiopian government believes that the ONLF is drawing support from ****** businessmen and some segments of the Issaq clan who largely hail from the Togdheer region of Somaliland. In light of these discussions, Somaliland was given the green light to secure the borders of the former British Somaliland. According to the source, Meles has taken into confidence members of the Ethiopian opposition parties who have fully endorsed the proposed two-state solution for Somalia. With the blessing of the Bush Administration, Ethiopian troops invaded Mogadishu and much of southern Somalia in last December. They were successful in overthrowing the radical Islamist dominated regime of the UIC and in installing divided and unpopular TFG. His troops bogged down in the messy quagmire of Mogadishu where the remnants of the ousted Union of Islamic Court (UIC) continues to wage Iraq-style bloody insurgency, Meles is understandably frustrated with the apparent failure of the internationally recognized but toothless fledgling Transitional Federal Government (TFG) in pacifying the tumultuous Somali capital. The Somali experts in Addis Ababa view the two-state solution as a vital long-term strategy for Ethiopia’s national interest.

http://www.somalilandtimes.net/Archive/48/4804.htm

I'd just got back into my taxi when word reached me that the son of the famous warlord, General Mohammed Aideed, who was blamed for the gruesome deaths of 18 US servicemen during the ill-fated Operation Restore Hope, might be available for interview. It was suggested that after seeing Hussein Aideed, I could stop by at the Wagon Wheel restaurant to meet the warlord who killed his father. It was then that the man with Essex connections leaned in through the window and whispered the name "General Morgan." The infamous General Morgan can currently be found at a pokey hotel about 10 minutes' drive out of town. Clad in designer sunglasses and paramilitary top and trousers, this bald-headed warlord looks like he's strolled off the set of a Mad Max movie. In real life he stands accused of murdering scores of innocent civilians during fighting in the Somaliland capital, Hargeisa. Self-Defense Perhaps reading my thoughts, the general began to smile almost warmly and spent the next 15 minutes insisting that he's only ever killed in self-defense - and that was a long time ago. Perhaps reading my thoughts, the general began to smile almost warmly and spent the next 15 minutes insisting that he's only ever killed in self-defense - and that was a long time ago. "In fact", he went on, "I'm now more of a peace-lord than a warlord." Given this reassurance it seemed safe to ask him how he felt about being nicknamed "The Butcher of Hargeisa". My translator stared back at me as if I'd lost my sanity. I repeated the question and finally, after a lot of nervous fidgeting and chewing of biros, he translated. Looking surprised, if not a little hurt, the general's face made clear that he wasn't too happy about his alias. Before he could respond any further, a tray full of coffees arrived. During the rush for cups, he suddenly became agitated and started shouting. Two of his aides shouted back. Through the jumble of foreign sounds two words kept emerging, at regular intervals. Each time, they were followed by bangs on the table and more heated exchanges. Universal Language I began to wonder whether it was time to beat a hasty retreat after perhaps going a question too far. Then, slowly two words emerged through his thick Somali accent: "Michael Owen, Michael Owen." With the assistance of my translator, it became clear that this group of lawless warriors were not debating claims of genocide, or what to do with BBC men bearing troublesome questions. They were locked in debate over who was the star of the recent World Cup. General Morgan adores Michael Owen. The Butcher of Hargeisa is an England fan.

Bosaaso is a half Maakhiri territory Awoowe could you elaborate on this statement, is it half of the city's population or are you saying the clan inhabit the western part of the city?

Bosaaso is a half Maakhiri territory Awoowe could you elaborate on this statement, is it half of the city's population or are you saying the clan inhabit the western part of the city?

^Correction its starting from 2012 and the highest and is up to 9,000; though we could expect most decent universities to put it at 6,000. The only good news alongside it is that people will be charged no interest in the burdensome debt you will dismally be carrying.

I use to be a contributor to Y.Answers and this character can be described as nothing but turbulent. Someone with an deep inferior complex.

Faroole has become nothing but a dictator.

Why create a thread about her post if shes obviously a troll.

haday reer Qardho ahaan lahaayeen ma la toogan lahaa ? Were they shot because they were reer Galgala?

Somalia was soundly defeated by Ethiopia, and these coups masters were showing their grievances against the withdrawal, afterall didnt Siad kill the likes of Gabeyre to get to the top? When facing these S'S, his dictatorial tendencies were exposed, instead of listening to grievances against his assasinations, his illegitimate jailing of opposition voices and the evils of some of his crimes against religious figures he instead targeted and wiped out enitre communities. Aidid, Abdulahi yusuf and many others proudly served in the 1975 war and both were colonels. Also no ones blaming him for everything.

Im sure you mean Somalia. The 3 sub clans of the ****** would have their own maamul if that was considered, im guessing. [ October 22, 2010, 05:25 PM: Message edited by: Admin ]

The former Ethiopian ruler Mengistu Haile Mariam, who was President Mohamed Siad's contempary, committed hideous atrocities and genocide, yet after his disposal, Ethiopia, a nation with a population exceeding 70 million people and more than 70 ethnic-groups managed to reconcile after his departure. The reason being? Because the Ethiopian coup was justified as Mengistu Haile Mariam was someone that was r ightfully despised by all Ethiopians collectively for his human-right injustices . This is true and the repurcusions of the division we had made it worse. Was it not Jaale Siyaads policies and actions that divided the nation?

Allamagan@ Armed ressitance is a natural recipe for Dictatorship, it was only way to counter act Siads unwillingless to give up power. The foundation he based his rule on was flawed especially for our shape of culture and society. He took a major role in the current predicament were in today and the clanist division, amnosity between neighbouring clans which paved the way for 17 years clanist anarchy and civil war. Even if his rule was not to fall in 1991, some like me and perhaps even you would be better off having a prosperous life in Mogadishu laakinse for others it was not so great. Its for us to evaluate and heed where he went wrong and in the future not make the same mistakes. Its also important to note that he inherited an united nation and left it destroyed.