Lets hope they dont harm the Universal TV reporters.

I think the start up menu for Kingdom hearts game has got a pretty good theme.

looking through the Sol Facebook membership i cant find anyone from here whos name i could recognize. Cowke@ you work so hard for that page, yet so few have subcribed.

Originally posted by Libaahe*: Barwaaqada - Sanaag - Historic Rugayda - Maydh District - Somaliland I cant believe thats in Somalia/Somaliland That truely is beatiful.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/25/world/25military.html A better word than war is "operations".

While the Obama administration publicly indicates it will counter the supposed nuclear threat from Iran by calling for greater UN sanctions and trade embargoes, the Petraeus order clearly suggests that Obama has something far more sinister in mind. The Times cites US officials who say the order “also permits reconnaissance that could pave the way for possible military strikes in Iran if tensions over its nuclear ambitions escalate.” The secret order is already believed to have laid the groundwork for the US military’s offensive in Yemen, which began in December 2009. US Special Forces troops entered that country to provide its military with training and join with them in attacking Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, said to be the Al Qaeda affiliate in Yemen. President Obama ordered air strikes on alleged militant compounds in December that claimed the lives of dozens of civilians. US Naval ships have also sent missiles raining down on the country. The Times acknowledges that it agreed to withhold information contained in the Petraeus document, a copy of which the newspaper says it viewed. Citing “concerns about troop safety raised by an official at United States Central Command,” the newspaper reports that it agreed to suppress details on troop deployments. Thus the liberal “paper of record” does its part to further the aggressive designs of the US military and keep the American people in the dark about the most vital details of the covert operations. While the Times does not say so, the covert operations order, which goes beyond similar directives under the Bush administration, could not have been issued without the approval of President Obama. This underscores the fact that the Obama administration is continuing and expanding the policies of militarism and war carried out under Bush, and preparing to extend US military aggression well beyond the confines of Iraq and Afghanistan. The use of military special operations forces as intelligence operatives throughout the Middle East and Central Asia allows the administration to place spy operations under the jurisdiction of the US Central Command and General Petraeus. In contrast to the activities of the Central Intelligence Agency, the military’s covert spy operations will not by law require presidential approval or be subject to congressional oversight.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2010/may2010/petr-m26.shtml A front-page article in Tuesday’s New York Times reveals the existence of a secret directive signed by Gen. David Petraeus, chief of the US Central Command, ordering the expansion of covert military operations throughout the Middle East, Central Asia and the Horn of Africa. The seven-page document, entitled “Joint Unconventional Warfare Task Force Execute Order,” essentially provides the US military with a blank check to carry out aggressive acts against virtually any country. Issued in September 2009, the order calls for the creation of a network of covert task forces and intelligence-gathering units which will “penetrate, disrupt, defeat or destroy” any target within any country designated by the US military. These forces will carry out clandestine operations which “cannot or will not be accomplished” through other military means. Once inside the targeted country, US forces will also “prepare the environment” for full-scale military assaults. In addition to military personnel, the Times reports, Petraeus’s order enlists “foreign businesspeople, academics or others” in “persistent situational awareness” efforts—in other words, in spying. The US will target countries considered hostile as well as countries with which it has maintained friendly relations. Among the countries cited by the Times as potential targets are Iran, Saudi Arabia and Somalia. The Times also reports that the document “appears to authorize specific operations in Iran, most likely to gather intelligence about the country’s nuclear program or identify dissident groups that might be useful for a future military offensive.”

Thanks Norfy for clearing up what was trying to tell Oodweyne, he doesnt seem to understand. And i agree that it should be done that way. Ok Oodweyne i did not write that Italy was part of the UNSC this is what i meant, in your own words UK and France have already signed on to a common platform with their EU partners in regarding this issue; but that is, by-the-by, a "holding position And this is basically the whole point of the debate which i responded to in the first lines in my second reply Which means, if the political weather were to change in these two countries, then, all talk about what the old European's common policy may have said about Somaliland's issue will be so much of a yesterday's dog's breakfast The decision to create a new state would not be so simple and nations would not simply rush into as your saying because their is a difference in thinking of foreign policy. A decision to recognize and put the seccionist regime first instead of Somalia would be a major decisions which would involve the AU nations and the Arab league. Plus like you said its symbolic, the two entities are there for a reason and are very important. This is not 1950 where the big four used to take all the decision without any consulting. Theres nothing major in stake for the western powers, so they would naturally leave it to the entities which knows the region best. You said security would be promptly a reason for recognition of Somaliland for example you could argue that they can because Somaliland would be in a threat of invasion by Alshabaab 1) Somaliland is hardly involved in Somalia, so there is no foreign policy or involvement in the stabillization of Somalia 2) if their was a foreign policy there is Ethiopia and Puntland which does have an interest in Somalia and Puntland, and Ethiopia would carry out the tasks like they did in 2007. What im saying is that a country like Somaliland is alien (lack of understanding of the nation and its history and the implications) and would much rather take the safe path and wait for Somalia to emerge. Lastly its true that African Union and Arab league are a smoke screen in relation to the powers the UNSC nations but like i said its not just about power its about taking a big decisions which would have many effects throughout the region and involve many nations. So far this has been the case for 20 years and one of the many reasons why Somaliland hasnt been recognized. I hope this my arguments the settled now.

Its this symbolism that im talking about and is more decisive in keeping you unrecognized. You see im not denying the powers those you mentioned; butim implying that Somaliland will always be a controversial issue and something that American and western leaders would not get involved nor are interested in, unless it somehow ends up having the geopolitical and historical significace of a country such as Kosovo overnight. But even then because of the historical differences between the two and the more illogical reason for seccession from Somaliland it wouldnt be looked at the same. Also just because one nation in the USC decides to recognize Somaliland it wouldnt end the whole recognition affair, all the nations in UN wouldnt end up doing the same thing. But like you said the Arab element would always be there. Also Italy a powerful European nation is keeping the issue blocked in Europe so there goes your UNSC from Europe and you would bet your chances on China who has Taiwan to deal with. Somalia or the TFGs stance is clear on this, the issue is a matter of seccession If they do pull of such a thing such as recognition, there would be potential unneccessary consequences and it would be destabilising. But the truth is that the African union is an African entity that in general represents the African nations independently and Western nations (that helped establish it) would refer to it symbolically, since major western stakes arent involved. This is why the symbolism is so strong.

Because of Alshabaab, Somalia has replaced Darfur the worlds worst humanitarian disaster It is more violent than Iraq and Afghanistan. 1,000 Somalis die each month in Mogadishu alone. 21,000 have died ever since the Ethiopian invasion. 1.3 Million are living in camps in Puntland, Somalia and NEFD zone in Kenya. Hundreds of thousands of war refugees in neighbouring countries. 3 Million relying on food aid, 1.4 million of these displaced. he UN refugee agency warned on Wednesday that another 315,000 people were likely to flee their homes in Somalia this year as the flow of refugees and displaced people grows faster than expected. http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jyDVnp75VgcFRccBEG63jC5lQV9Q http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2010-05/22/c_13309838.htm To relieve these people negotiation is needed, no doubt Somalia is needed to be ruled by Allahs law, but we need to do so peacefully. Shariif is complying and outstretching his hand. Johnny B answered really well be honest, i didnt even need to be post. But people need to definitely wake up to the crisis happening in the Somalia.

The amateurness of their adverts nightmares baaka heleysaa

What part of my post bothers you so much Oodweyne p.s. I found out that your name is actually a region in North West Somalia, i guess i apologize for calling you loudvoice last time.

"connivance" of certain interesting parties in the "Arab League" The African Union and Italy have outright vigorously been rejecting your seccession for the past 20 years for historical reasons and political reasons, the gate towards seccession goes through the African Union (UN) not the Arab league. Egypt has had viable interests in Somalia for geopolitical and strategic reasons an undivided Somalia to check Ethiopia (somalia traditional enemy) because of the Nile. They are also without the doubt the most influential and important nation in the Arab league. 1. USA will only recognize if the African unions says "ok" and chances through African Union are a big 0, you stand a better chance with Italy. Italy checks Europe. Egypt checks the Arab league. And the most important of all the TFG and Puntland says no These entities have been preventing you from secceding, and left you with 30-50 Million budget a year. But it would be foolish to think that Somalia would leave you alone and back off somehow because of fear because you its Northwestern gets recognized by large nations such as United States and Britain. If the United states and African Union do accept you, Somalia will break relations with both entities, and the scenario will be similar to that of Taiwan and China. It will also be as contraversial as the Kosovo issue. Everything has its consequences.

Sakamoto Ryuichi - Merry Christmas Mr. Lawrence

Archdemos@ I guess that anti arab-Islamic Peacenow chap was good for something

Mr Codweyne Mr Ood weyne, hmm not the same i guess, it seems i read your name wrong. Your saying that my membership should be revoked because of this, you are a sensitive person indeed; and you view this is as a personal attack. Ah!! should be more careful not to cross paths with you next time. I fullheartedly aplogize Mr Loudvoice . Ok to the point, you claim the political cart is futile, right, (and im guessing this is backed by the many failed attempts in restoring government control in the South) while there exists no other current existing alternative for the TFG to take? But you also claimed that the TFG should spend more time on rebuilding Somalia. WHat do you propose the direction the TFG should now take? In my view this is one of the best position Somalia has historically even if the TFG has in some ways failed. The clan feuds which was the greatest obstacle has ended; and their are some from the Alshabaab camp that wish to negotiate. The post Ethiopian withdrawal period has indeed shaped up to be an interesting action saga, where things are happening and changing all the time, and where unity has grown Dont give up hope yet.

Mr Loudvoice Re read what i wrote to Ibtisam person, the response in the first line I clearly writ that the conference was a waste of time, and like you rightfully called it the "photo opportunities" wouldnt change the situation in the ground and so far hasnt. But you wrote that You see, instead of really getting down to the brass tack of building their country from the ground; they would rather go and travel from place to place, from a conference to yet another god-forsaken conference (held somewhere in the world); whilst all along taking as much "photo-opportunities", as such things would permit them to have, indeed... Im saying that Shariif with his 2km control of land and Villa Somalia is powerless to re-building the country. The UN and USA has failed, the TFG has failed and the person i thought was the only person to get through with this successfully has failed. Somalia is failing, dreadfully too. Lets not give up hope though.

Somalis and their greasy, red tinted faces. Mise saabun muu iskabuuxiyay haitan kaas :mad: They dont look similar to be honest. Dont let me see you compare a Cushite to a bantu.

Originally posted by *Ibtisam: Somalis always looking to build somalia in visits to other/ external sources. These things are such waste of time and funds. Somali Politics is at that stage where they just need to talk to each other under a tree with no plans, phones, money or white men around. Once you half fix up, you can attend meetings and try to build links, what is the use of building a bridge no one will walk on apart from you. You make it sound so simple, your solution has been tried over and over again. This conference was a waste of time, as far as i know no talks were made which could fundementally changed the situation in Somalia, just same rhetoric and Shariif ws still only controlling the 2km in the south. You see, instead of really getting down to the brass tack of building their country from the ground; they would rather go and travel from place to place, from a conference to yet another god-forsaken conference (held somewhere in the world); whilst all along taking as much "photo-opportunities", as such things would permit them to have, indeed... [Wink] What do you mean by this how would they do this of the TFG only controls 2km of land.

After reading about Swedish feminists and looking into affirmative action, equality definitely doesnt cross my mind. Feminism has evolved over histry, you could say it was continuety from the suffrage like movements in the west during the early 20th century.

In the first pic, i was wondering what was sticking out of mouth. But scrolled down........... :eek: btw it was right through through the part below the chin. http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Matador-Julio-Aparicio-Gored-Through-Chin-During-Madrid- Bullfight/Article/201005415636589?lpos=World_News_First_Home_Page_Feature_Teaser_Region_0&lid=ARTICL E_15636589_Matador_Julio_Aparicio_Gored_Through_Chin_During_Madrid_Bullfight

^^ All these problems that are currently occuring in the SSC regions will be reversed once a Somalia state is restored.

"He's a gambler who probably fell into compulsive behaviors," Thompson said. "We have a lot of them in Vegas. If we start calling them criminals, we really hurt our industry. How true. Gambling truelly is a gangastar bussiness. p.s. this mans first name is English, and Japanese unlike the CHinese dont tend to change their native names into English. So he is probably mixed.

An Ethiopian - Egyptian war would not affect all Somalis but it would be in the interests of those who want independence in the ogd region, a fall in government in Ethiopia would create a power vacuum which those in the ogd region could take advantage of. Lets be honest here horta, Diplomacy and armed struggle so far isnt working for the rugtag millitias against one of the most powerfull millitary in Sub saharan Africa and will probably will never work with the way things are going. Jacaylbaro@ im not advocating for war here, since i believe its potential disastrous consequences would not be worth supporting. i said it would be the interests; in other words it would most likely benefit those who want independence from Ethiopia in the Ogd region. [Egypt was one of the main countries that supported and help arm Somalia in 1977, generally because it believed it would weaken Ethiopia which in turn would help secure possession of the nile for them. This is similar logic im showing here.]