i Dont think he had an agenda or bias towards any region in Somalia. The poems themselfes were randomly compiled in his article to show the rich poetry Somalia contained and he linked it with the civil war. Many of them came from Sayid leader who was an Ogd. I think your missing the purpose of the article, it wasn about collecting poems. Dont be fooled by the title of the article, after reading the article fully its not in the context you think it is.

Somalia represents all these regions for him, and most of the poetry and article were pre-civil war times. Yaa Nacaybbaro

Wait..... :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: SOMALILAND TIMES War baX!!! get out of my thread you! :mad:

Said Samatar shows his bias against Somaliland when he claims that the Somali civil war started in 1991 when in fact it started a decade earlier. He also does not mention any of the literature that was produced during the SNM struggle in the 1980s, other than a passing reference to Hadrawi, Gaariye and Qasim. The fact that he has ignored the literature of this period, even though it fits his notion of purposive violence, shows that he is guided by an extra-literary agenda. rall, if Said Samatar’s approach to Somali history and literature could be summed up, it is one based on downplaying of Somaliland’s place in the Somali literary map, exaggerating the role of some marginal figures such as Muhammad Daahir Afrah, Lidwien Kapteijns, Muhammad A. Riiraash, and the handing over of Somaliland’s literature to Somalia. One of these, Lidwien Kapteijns, even wrote a whole book on Somaliland’s literature (Women’s voices in a man’s world) without bothering to mention that as she was collecting material for her book in neighboring Djibouti, You like him because of this.

Jacaylbaro, Nacaybbaro maa isku badashay, yaah I dont agree with Samatars view that Somalia poetry has died with the civil war. Which is why i mainly concentrated on posting some of the more prominent poems of Sayid. Proffessor Samatar caadi ma aha wuxu qoray, what he wrote is always up for debate.

I despise his houseboy And I despise him who submits to his sway. An unjust king I despise A flag without an army I despise And a city without rule I despise. In addition to its value as the literary and aesthetic embodiment of the community, Somali poetry is a principal medium of mass communication, playing a role similar to that of the press and television in Western societies. Somali poets, like Western journalists and newspapermen, thus have a great deal to say about politics and the acquisition of political power. Because it is the language and the vehicle of politics, the verse which Somali poets produce is an important source of Somali history, just as the printed and televised word performs a similar function in the West. It is the duty, for example, of the pastoral poet to compose verse on all important clan events and to express and formalize the dominant issues of the age – in short, to record and immortalize the history of his people. And since the poet‟s talents are employed not only to give expression to a private emotion but also to address vital community concerns, his verse reflects the feelings, thoughts and actions of his age.

There are many Poems brothers made by Abdullah Hassan and his followers im sure youll like them: Is Minilik of your kindred that you should sing praises to him? As for the cruising ships of the infidels: Know ye not they are but Allah‟s brief providence to the misguided? If glorious were the infidels, they‟d not be destined to perdition, The things they invent, and the wealth they amass are but their damnation, And the ingenious artifacts their abominable foretaste of ultimate perdition. This reveling in material things brought the mighty Pharaoh down. If the meaning of the prayer-mat moving you across the sea escapes your unbelieving mind... Consider: your origin, the very first day when you were created, In the darkness of the womb, the Lord protected thee. Miraculous was your place of origin! You came into the world by the will of Allah, O, mindless one, make a reflection on this, Speak not ill of the Sayyid, O brainless one, lest this leads you to Hell, The ways of the saints, you fool, are dark to you, And do not take him (the Sayyid) lightly, (Samatar “Literary War” 159). A liar I despise A miser I despise And I despise him who eats polluted food. A tobacco-chewer I despise I despise compulsiveness in men And fat without strength. I despise an uncourageous man Of small lineage I despise a tool that doesn‟t obey its user... A white man‟s peon I despise http://www.somaliaonline.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?/topic/6/14656#000004

The uncontrollable man–he who‟d seek Minilik in battle, Who says: “with my sword I‟ll smite the Abyssinians,” Who says: “I will give you the Habar herds as booty,” Who‟d weave lies around us, Who‟d take away our minds as if we were brainless camels... The uncontrollable man–he who‟d seek Minilik in battle, Who says: “with my sword I‟ll smite the Abyssinians,” Who says: “I will give you the Habar herds as booty,” Who‟d weave lies around us, Who‟d take away our minds as if we were brainless camels...

Mandhow, saddex lama aamino: Geelaaga jire, Gasiinkaaga cune, Iyo gurigaaga jooge. My son, three do not trust: He who tends your camels, He who eats (or prepares) your dish, And he who grows up in your household. (Samatar “Literary War” 173). A liar I despise A miser I despise And I despise him who eats polluted food. A tobacco-chewer I despise I despise compulsiveness in men And fat without strength. I despise an uncourageous man Of small lineage I despise a tool that doesn‟t obey its user... A white man‟s peon I despise

The Editor exclusively ony talks about poetry and the culture of Somalias and he mentions the civil war when delving deep into the effects of poetry. Theres also alot of Abdullah Muhammed hassans poems Is Minilik of your kindred that you should sing praises to him? As for the cruising ships of the infidels: Know ye not they are but Allah‟s brief providence to the misguided? If glorious were the infidels, they‟d not be destined to perdition, The things they invent, and the wealth they amass are but their damnation, And the ingenious artifacts their abominable foretaste of ultimate perdition. This reveling in material things brought the mighty Pharaoh down. If the meaning of the prayer-mat moving you across the sea escapes your unbelieving mind... Consider: your origin, the very first day when you were created, In the darkness of the womb, the Lord protected thee. Miraculous was your place of origin! You came into the world by the will of Allah, O, mindless one, make a reflection on this, Speak not ill of the Sayyid, O brainless one, lest this leads you to Hell, The ways of the saints, you fool, are dark to you, And do not take him (the Sayyid) lightly, (Samatar “Literary War” 159).

An interesting article ive come across that talks about Somali society and the affects civil war is bringing The quote below is just a small portion the rest of the article could be read in the link. After eighteen years of civil war and related social cataclysms, the international community knows only too well Somalia‟s demise as a nation-state. What the world doesn‟t know–a far greater calamity than the political collapse–relates to Somalia‟s other loss–the loss of her literary soul as a direct result of years of relentless violence and random anarchy. Once upon a time, Somalia was known as a nation of poets whose poetic heritage was intimately connected with the people‟s daily lives. In particular, foreign students of Somali language and culture used to remark, often in astonished tones, on the pervasive, sometimes sinister, influence of poetry and poetic arts on Somali life and lore. Typical of these observers of the Somali literary scene was the peripatetic romantic British traveler, Richard (later Sir Richard) Burton, who visited the Somali coast of Zayla‟ and city of Harar in 1854, disguised as a Muslim holy man named al-Hajj Abdallah. Burton wrought a number of subterfuges on the unsuspecting Somalis, one of which was to con them into appointing him as imam (Friday prayer leader), as well as their spiritual guide and all-purpose mentor. The eccentric Englishman distilled his Somali experiences into a book that, not without self-aggrandizement, he entitled: First Footsteps in East Africa. (Someday when I grow up I should want to write a tome entitled First Footsteps in America as a payback to Burton and his spiritual offspring, the supercilious Americans!) Burton‟s condescending outlook notwithstanding, he expressed notable respect for Somali culture, especially the “Natives‟” keen cultivation of the poetic arts. He observed with a note of astonishment: The country teems with „poets‟... Every man has his recognized position in literature as accurately defined as though he had been reviewed in a century of magazines–the fine ear of this people causing them to take the greatest pleasure in harmonious sounds and poetic expressions, whereas a false quantity or prosaic phrase excites their violent indignation ... Every chief in the country must have a panegyric to be sung by his clan, and the great patronize light literature by keeping a poet. (Burton 82) Burton‟s judgment has been echoed over the years by other observers of the Somali cultural landscape, namely M. Maino, Magaret Laurence, B. W. Andrzejewski and I. M. Lewis, and John Johnson. http://wardheernews.com/Articles_09/May/17_Literary_death_samatar.pdf The second link has nothing to do with the first, just a timeline for the civil war, you might want to have a look at. http://www.lajiide.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=47%3Asomali-civil-war-timeline&c atid=34%3Awararkalajiide&Itemid=1

Originally posted by Libaahe*: cause 10 years before they raided his hometown looting camels ( under a tribal raid) so he did what every man with balls would and take revenge against them looting a camel boot of 70,000 [/b] [/QB]

Originally posted by chocolate & honey: quote: Plus for Chocolate woman, i did not need to find about about the casualties since i posted. Just want to know which region experienced the famine and suffered the most. Thats all. Blah Blah :rolleyes: What now you're outraged that I called you out on your bullshit? Why dont you two open a thread and isku nacamleeysiin? What did you call me out on C&H, you should realize the mistakes you made in spamming the first half of the page with untrue assumptions. My post was not done out of anger.

Chocolate and NCC Except for spamming and being border-line trolls, you havent and are not contributing anything to the thread. Please, take these assumptions somewhere else. If i wanted to bring any political stuff or people in to converse i would have posted it in the politics section. Also about your accusations I did not open that SYL myth thread. I think i agreed with that Jacaylbaro guy and NNCC disagreed and waala murmaysay; i think thats where the accusation is coming from. Plus for Chocolate woman, i did not need to find about about the casualties since i posted. Just want to know which region experienced the famine and suffered the most. Thats all.

Though Turkish-Israeli relations have been rocky for some time, Davutoglu said Turkey had been looking for ways to help facilitate peace talks. He said that he had scheduled a meeting with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in Washington on Monday to discuss indirect talks with Syria before Netanyahu canceled his trip Sunday. Davutoglu said that he discussed the raid with Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak on Sunday, and Barak had offered condolences.

Double post. Thanks libaahe, Im only trying to find out for historical reasons, not incite any political stuff.

Lol calm down its got nothing to do with Somaliland or Puntland or which other place. I dont endorse or like that name which why i put in brackets. Just so that people could recognize what this thread is about better.

[Around a 100,000 - 150,000 died exclusively in the North mostly from starvation] Ok id like to know the region of the region of the north which suffered the most, basically where the majority of the casualties or deaths of the war came from. im suspecting it was mainly concentrated in the North Eastern region of Somalia and some of it in the North-west as well. Can anyone clear this up thanks Somalia, Mohammed Abdulla Hasan (1899-1920) 100 000 Mad Mullah Jihad According to the Library of Congress [http://lcweb2.loc.gov/frd/cs/sotoc.html], this war caused the deaths of about one third of the northern Somali population. The 1911 Britannica estimates 300,000 people in British Somaliland, so the death toll might have been something like 100-150,000. (depending on whether the 300000 was estimated before or after the one-third had died) By summing the battle casualties in the campaigns that are descibed in the OnWar.com essay for the 1899-1905 phase of the war, I determined that the dervishes suffered some 11,700 casualties (K+W) fighting the British, which would come to around 3,000 KIA, plus another 1,000 killed in battle with the Abyssinians. The British lost something over 200 KIA. Apparently a 100,000 1/3 of population of 300,000(mostly civillians from starvation) died.

Woah! you serious. Where did you get that nonsense from. Alshabaab is ALqaeda, full stop. Edit: Shariif and Alshabaab were different in the first place.

Alshabaab is fixing all of this in the South, sxb The problem is not clan anymore. Because of the punishments and suffering the civillians have already gone through im sure they wont be clanist minded once theirs a state. I agree with you about the west not accepting an Islamic state though. The path through that is dead, Alshabaab with all due respect are just not realizing. And with that belliguerent hegemoth of a neighbour potential of invasion it will just continue to be an endless circle in the South. The two sides should negotiate, i think that Shariif should appease Alshabaab and agree things to their terms.

Read from his good ol teleprompter or memorized it. p.s. Why is the time of my posts at 10.54 Pm when the real time is 1 Am??

He commented like that in the Gaza massacre and he did it again. the sponsors of the flotilla were violent supporters of a terror organization. That comments is clearly scripted by his masters, the fool is a house negro; hes obviously being ordered or bullied. What a farce of a situation. Btw Turkey is calling for a Nato meating (not that it will accomplish much)the seriousness of the Turkish presidents will no doubt will only deepen the already damaged relationship between the two countries and in the geopolitical situation in the future and relationship between the countries. The flotilla folks have made history indeed concerning the relationship between Israel and International community and their deaths wont be easily forgetten. This will just backfire in the near future and will negatively affect Israels support base.

Damn the Yemenis and Iraqis taking first place for Khat and terrorism of us. :mad: Ah a dignity indeed stolen.

Indeed Alshabaab seems to be the only group that can counter the filth of that which is Ethiopia and those that bend over to it. Wallahi things like this only succeed in pushing you towards Alshabaab.

An interesting thing ive been seeing when i watch the channel is that between the commercials and news they now show 15Minute quranic lectures which talks about the wrongful actions of Alshabaab and how its different to what the quran and anything else pertaining to them. said.