Originally posted by Xaji_Xunjuf: ^kula yaabi mayo adiga reer maakhir baad tahay lol. The former Somalia existed for 31 years we failed miserably, invading Ethiopia trying to add Kilinka shanaad to Somalia. Which led to the downfall of the former Somalia. I believe the people of kilinka shanaad should also form their own country and be self determent the same with the people from the Nfd. If it’s in their interest. And try Establish 5 strong countries at the African union At the Arab League at the united nations. Why use the old dead ending policy towards somaliweyn. If we know its not going to be reality . Walalahi thats cool with me, 5 strong somali countries, side by side, working togther for the greater interest of all somali people

Originally posted by Xaji_Xunjuf: quote:Originally posted by Hassan6734: I view myself as a somali nationalist. Honestly i looks like somalia is going to take a while before it gets back on its feet. Out of somalimo and love to our somaliland brothers. Should we work hard towards somalilands recognition. An independent, peaceful strong somaliland is a postive step for all somali people. Inshalla somaliland could once after becomming a strong governemnt could also help out the rest of us somalis towards peace and goverannce. I think that probably somaliland becoming a UN member could be a postive thing for the rest of us somalis. Somalis would be more powerful having 3 seats at the united nations Somaliland Djibouti And Somalia. 3 seats in the African union 3 seats at the Arab league 3 seats on igad. Somalis in the horn would form a huge strong block. Somaliland and Somalia and Djibouti could work together things concerning the military the economy etc. Mashallah, thats what am talking about. Horta if somaliland inshalla does become UN member nation. It along with Djibouti would hve to responsbility to ensure that somalia stands up on its feet and also eventually become a strong government. Then we three could work very hard to make Oga de*ninaa another independent somali nation. Then us four somali governemnts could also work hard to get the NFD to join either the goverments of somalia or Oga de*ninaa

Originally posted by Sacad *Ducaale: spoken like a true patriot. :cool: but i am afraid some somalis are xasiidin and don't want to see their fellow brothers progress , instead they want to keep everybody in a dark hole. Walahi thats spot on, you are right that most somalis are xasiidin. A recogntion for somaliland would be a guul for all somalis, be it in south somalia, Og"a den, NFD etc. Having another somali governemnt in the Horn in addition to Djibouti would be a great. And we somalis would forever be united because we have the same blood iyo deen and language anyway. It would only be a huge blow for ethiopia to face up too somali goverments.

Originally posted by Sacad *Ducaale: that is true, imagine having somaliand and djbouti side by side and helping to restore the peace in somalia maxa ka ficaan ariinta? Walahi that's what am talking about, just imagine 2 well develped somali countries, djibouti iyo somaliland. Walahi that would make me proud as a somali. To see somaliland develop like Dubai would be excellent

Walahi this post shows that am not a hater and that i am indeed very somalimo. TFG should give recogntion to somaliland, whats the point of leaving somaliland in a limbo and allow them to be used by the Tigraay.

And what parts of somalia are you from Che -Guevara? Gedo, loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool No wonder why you tend to support al-shabaab

I view myself as a somali nationalist. Honestly i looks like somalia is going to take a while before it gets back on its feet. Out of somalimo and love to our somaliland brothers. Should we work hard towards somalilands recognition. An independent, peaceful strong somaliland is a postive step for all somali people. Inshalla somaliland could once after becomming a strong governemnt could also help out the rest of us somalis towards peace and goverannce. I think that probably somaliland becoming a UN member could be a postive thing for the rest of us somalis.

Originally posted by Che -Guevara: quote:Originally posted by Hassan6734: Thanks Sacad quote: Originally posted by Che -Guevara: ^I dare him to post link or source Did i hurt your feelings, so you love tuug dhar aweis, what a clown, lol That really says everything about you. Actually You and I share that in common. I wanna see Daahir and Turki gone but I don't wish on them. Hopefully they will retire and disappear into oblivion though that's unlikely. So I take it no sources then? Che -Guevara we are not the same, been reading your post for a while. You come across to me as a traitor. Your not the type like me. I got reer Mudug blood running in my veins and don't take any sort of crap from any anti-somali individuals iyo orgs.

Dr. Michael A. Weinstein The unfolding conflict between Harakat al-Shabaab Mujahideen (H.S.M.) and the clan militias fighting under the banner of Ahlu Sunna Wal-Jama'a (A.S.W.J.) for control of Somalia's central regions entered a new phase on January 10 and 11, when A.S.W.J. took major military action against Hizbul Islam (H.I.), which is tactically allied with H.S.M. in the central regions, in Beledweyne, the capital and strategic transit junction of the Hiiraan region; and against H.S.M in the villages of Wabho and Warhole in the Galgadud region that lie close to the town of El-Bur, where H.S.M. has its largest military base in the central regions. A.S.W.J.'s action came ten days after H.S.M. had briefly captured Dhusamareb, the capital of Galgadud, in which A.S.W.J. is dominant. Although A.S.W.J. retook Dhusamareb a day later, it was forced to postpone the conclusion of a conference it was holding in the town of Abudwaq on forming a permanent administration for Galgadud. A.S.W.J. had previously stated that its aim was to eliminate H.S.M. from the central regions; the attack on Dhusamareb forced A.S.W.J.'s hand. Run-Up to A.S.W.J.'s Counter-Offensive On January 4, the day after it had retreated from Dhusamareb, H.S.M. opened a conference in Somalia's capital Mogadishu for 100 traditional clan elders from the country's southern and central regions for the purposes of training the elders in how to apply H.S.M.'s rigorous Salafist version of Shari'a law and how to support its present and planned regional administrations. At the training sessions, Sh. Mukhtar Robow, who has recently re-emerged as a power figure in H.S.M., said that H.S.M. would not permit the formation of rival administrations, such as the one being formed by A.S.W.J. in Galgadud. H.S.M. spokesman Sh. Ali Dhere said that the intent of H.S.M.'s attack on Dhusamareb was not to take the town, but to break up A.S.W.J.'s conference in Abudwaq, which it had succeeded in doing. A.S.W.J.'s chair for the central regions, Sh. Mohamed Farah, responded that the conference had been successfully concluded before H.S.M.'s attack, which contradicted A.S.W.J.'s earlier postponement of the conference's conclusion (key executive and advisory committees had not yet been chosen). As H.S.M. laid down its line, Radio Gaalkayco reported that newly trained H.S.M. fighters with 50 armored vehicles were crossing from the Middle Shabelle region, where H.S.M is dominant, into the Hiiraan region, adding that H.S.M. was holding secret talks with H.I. in Hiiraan on a joint offensive against A.S.W.J. Also on January 4, Ethiopia, which backs A.S.W.J., sent forces into Hiiraan and re-established a base at the Kalabeyr junction near Beledweyne, conducted vehicle searches, and arrested eight suspected members of H.S.M. On January 7, Sh. Ali Dhere announced that H.S.M had completed strategy talks and, "within a matter of days," would "capture some central regions." On the same day, A.S.W.J. and H.I. fought outside Beledweyne while Ethiopian forces remained at their base. The rhetorical dimension of the conflict heated up on January 10, when Robow reiterated the claim that H.S.M. was ready to mount attacks and restated its aim of "extending Shari'a to the whole country" and establishing an "emirate." He said that H.S.M. would move north into the semi-autonomous state of Puntland and the self-declared independent republic of Somaliland, charging that both of them "answer to Ethiopia" and have "thrown away Shari'a." Robow accused the "Western powers" of trying to control Somalia by dividing it into regions and of working hand in glove with Ethiopia. In response, A.S.W.J. appealed to Puntland and Somaliland for support, arguing that if H.S.M. were to succeed in "moving past Galgadud," it would first move against the Mudug region to the east; then against Mudug's capital Galkayo, which is split between central Somalia and Puntland; and finally against Puntland and Somaliland. Emphasizing its determination to resist H.S.M., A.S.W.J. executed an H.S.M. commander whom it had captured after the January 3 battle in Dhusamareb. A.S.W.J. spokesman Sh. Abdullahi Sh. Abu Yusuf explained the group's first reported execution, stating that the H.S.M. commander had refused to recant his position "that all people were infidels except his group."According to a Reuters report, Sh. Abu Yusuf concluded: "What else are we supposed to do to those who believe they will go to paradise for killing us and the whole human race?" Unlike H.S.M.'s January 2 attack on Dhusamareb, which appeared to take its rivals by surprise and had not been anticipated in local media, it came as no surprise when, on January 10, A.S.W.J. forces, led by the former governor of Hiiraan's Mahas district, Aden Abdulle Awale, mounted a full-scale attack on Beledweyne and succeeded in capturing the east side of the town from its H.I. administration. Over the next two days of fighting, the east side changed hands twice, after which A.S.W.J. forces attempted to attack the west side and were met with resistance at the bridge that connects east and west Beledweyne. As armed conflict continued on January 12, H.S.M. forces were reported to be mobilizing in the town of Bulo Burde to back up H.I. Somalia's internationally recognized but ineffectual Transitional Federal Government (T.F.G.), which is nominally and reservedly supported by A.S.W.J., declared that H.S.M. was supporting H.I. in Beledweyne. Fighting continued for a fourth day on January 13, with reports that the former T.F.G. governor of Hiiraan, Yusuf Dabaged, was involved on the side of A.S.W.J. Shabelle Media Network reported that H.S.M. forces had joined the H.I. militias. On January 14, Shabelle reported that fighting had ceased for the moment in Beledweyne, with H.I. and H.S.M. holding the west side of town and A.S.W.J. the east side. On January 12, A.S.W.J. opened a second front in Galgadud, engaging H.S.M. between the villages of Wabho and Warhole, which, if taken from H.S.M., would open the way for an A.S.W.J. attack on the town of El-Bur, the site of H.S.M.'s largest military base in the central regions. Sh. Abu Yusuf announced that A.S.W.J. would "remove" H.S.M. from El-Bur: "We are prepared to do everything." Press TV reported that thousands of H.S.M. forces were moving into Galgadud to protect El-Bur. Also, on January 12, the chair of A.S.W.J.'s council, Sh. Omar Abdikadir, announced that the three governing councils of the incipient A.S.W.J. administration would be elected in Dhusamareb. He continued to insist, however, that the Abudwaq meetings had been successfully completed before H.S.M.'s January 2 attack on Dhusamareb. Explanatory Intelligence As reported by this writer in Garoweonline on December 8, 2009 and January 3, 2010, a knowledgeable source in the Horn of Africa disclosed that H.S.M.'s actions in the central regions have the wider aim of encircling Mogadishu in order to isolate completely the T.F.G. in the small enclave in the capital that it holds with the essential support of an African Union peacekeeping mission (AMISOM) - to strangle and suffocate the T.F.G. on its way to establishing an "emirate." A.S.W.J., on the other hand, was an umbrella organization of traditional Sufi clerics that had held itself aloof from politics until a year ago, when it reacted to H.S.M.'s desecration of Sufi graves and shrines, and assassinations of Sufi clerics, by becoming the front for local and regional clan militias, politicians, and T.F.G. officials who had been displaced by H.S.M. and H.I., which has a Salafist-nationalist ideology. The alliances between clan warlords and politicians, and A.S.W.J. have worked to the advantage of both by providing the variegated anti-H.S.M. clan factions with a religious veneer and a possible political formula and alternative vehicle should the T.F.G. collapse entirely (as they seem to think it will); and by providing A.S.W.J. with muscle, the possibility of political power, and the opportunity to implement its own version of Shari'a. The same source who disclosed H.S.M.'s encirclement strategy has provided explanatory intelligence on the current phase of the conflict in the central regions. The source reports that H.I. has been "heavily infiltrated" by H.S.M., which will take advantage of H.I.'s "precarious position" to get a foothold in Beledweyne should H.I. retake the town with its aid. The source goes on to underscore the expedient character of A.S.W.J.'s alliances with clan factions, noting in particular how the anti-H.S.M. Hawadle sub-clan (******) elements led by Abdulle Awale have simply exchanged the T.F.G. nameplate for the A.S.W.J. brand. The source reports intelligence that he cannot substantiate that clan factions fronted by A.S.W.J. are disputing over allocation of weapons provided by Ethiopia. In assessing the balance of forces in the central regions, the source provides an analysis that need not be amended or enhanced. Arguing that the conflict in the central regions is a war of attrition imposed by H.S.M., the source points out "a major structural defect within A.S.W.J." that puts it at a disadvantaged position in confronting H.S.M. As a transclan movement, the source observes, H.S.M.'s battle casualties are shared among all clans and - it may be added - are relatively distant from them. In contrast, the sub-clans associated with A.S.W.J. bear the full brunt of battle casualties. Therefore, the source explains, it will be difficult for the sub-clans to sustain "heavy losses for long" when they "look at the Shabaab onslaught facing them," giving H.S.M. the edge. That A.S.W.J. would counter attack was to be expected. The struggle for control of the central regions is now well underway, and there is no political brake to apply to decelerate it. Report Drafted By: Dr. Michael A. Weinstein, Professor of Political Science, Purdue University weinstem@purdue.edu

Originally posted by Jacaylbaro: ninkan SOL ha laga qabto ,, Bruv you know i got know problem with your somaliland thing. So why you be on my throat for?

Thanks Sacad Originally posted by Che -Guevara: ^I dare him to post link or source Did i hurt your feelings, so you love tuug dhar aweis, what a clown, lol That really says everything about you.

Sacad *Ducaale i don't know if its true, but walahi i really hope that it turns out true

Props to the young man who shot this wahabi rat. Walahi massive respect

Originally posted by Jacaylbaro: You still did not answer my question Hassanow ,,,,, are you in Beletweyne right now ??? No i am not in beledwyene

Yeah that right, pigs die hard, Thanks that this agent of Eritrea got killed and shot to death by a patriotic somali teenager who lost he's entire familiy thanks to Tuug Dhair aweis