"Telcom Somalia in Boorama " Anwar where is the link to your sources? Source

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Originally posted by Legend of Zu: <---As Southerner... I do not support a unification with SL until SL compeletes its secession Cheers What do we want? Unification When do we want it? Now!!

There's little that is distinct about Somaliland. Not the people, the culture, the suffering or even the ideology. They (the elites, elders, or whatever you want to call them) just took it to another level. You may have seen this but recently, I tried to find out when 'secession' first came into the lexicon and it seems the whole idea was cooked up in a short period of time then sold to the populace. At the time, conditions were ripe, I believe, for the people to accept it and those who didn't decided fighting it wasn't really worth the trouble given the state of the rest of the nation. Fidelow, 1991 might have been the year that Somaliland's independence was declared. But the feeling that the union was a mistake in the first place was always there since its inception in 1960. You need to dig a little further.

"Naturally, we do not seek any light, green, red or yellow from anyone..." source This was Meles before the invasion. Invited or not.

^^ I am sure Duke has yet another explanation to this new development.

^^Shocking walaahi. I hear that these grown up men are doing this because of the pitty politics back in Somalia. Tanina ma inoo danbaysay. Alaw sahal amuuraha. ---------------- Here is a related reading. Social issues not extremism the problem facing Somalis in Australia

Ashari: But why do you impose on me your questions, while you are not imposing on him [Caddoow] with those questions ... Absolutely, absolutely, this is unfair of Jasiira, and Jasiira that is why they are losing audience and losing their prestige around the world right now, starting from the last time in Jordan. no_xishood@indho_adayg.com

Isn't Mohamed Dheere the same Warlord that described Warlord Yey as a thief "Ciyaala Suuq ah". How times changed.

Oz Police probe fund raising by Somali Islamic extremists for "terrorists" back home From our ANI Correspondent Sydney, Apr 23 : Australian Police are learnt to have launched intensive investigation into the suspected terrorist fundraising by the Somali Islamic extremists while staying in Australia. he move is the result of growing concerns that small groups of radicalised Somalis in Melbourne had been raising terror money and sending it to fund the Islamic jihad in their war-torn homeland. Notably, Somalia has become a fertile ground for terrorists, with al-Qaeda using the lawless country to regroup and plot new attacks abroad. Australia's Somali community has grown rapidly in the past decade as thousands of Somalians have sought to escape famine and war in their homeland. Somali Community of Victoria president, Abdurahman Jama Osman has said that a small group of Melbourne-based Somalis are suspected of helping to fund extremists in the capital, Mogadishu . There was a fundraising in Melbourne and they said they were going to give the money to the Arab parts of Mogadishu. But, many Somalis believe that the money was sent to the Islamic military in Somalia. I'm sure they were breaking the law, and if so, they have harmed our reputation," The Australian quoted Osman as saying. Australian laws on terrorism forbid raising money for extremists overseas. Security sources say that the alleged fundraising took place while the former hardline Islamic government, known as the Islamic Court Union, was in power late last year. Osman said that only a small number of Australia's 16,000 Somali immigrants were extremists, but that this small minority was hard-line. "Our problem is that young people are in touch with Wahabis (members of a fundamental Sunni Muslim sect). There are very few but you cannot change their mind-nobody can change their mind," he had said in an interview earlier this year. In December, a 25-year-old Somali man from Melbourne, Ahmed Ali, was killed after travelling to Somalia to join the Islamic jihad there. In a speech to Somali community members in Melbourne last week, Sydney Somali leader Herse Hilole warned that young Somalis were being seduced by Muslim extremists. "We know there are supporters in Australia who want to recruit young Somalis to go back or support financially the Islamic Courts. The community must be made aware of this, and we must put a stop to it. Somalis who take up Australian citizenship should know they are now committed to obeying Australian law ... under Australian law, it is forbidden to join jihad in any country, or join any war that is against the interests of Australia," he said. The US military has also launched air raids against suspected Somali al-Qaeda strongholds in the wake of the downfall of the Islamic Courts government, toppled in December by Ethiopian troops tacitly backed by the US.

Terror fear as extremists seek local Somali recruits YOUNG Somali refugees in Melbourne are being seduced by Muslim extremists, a Somali community leader has warned. Herse Hilole, a Sydney community leader and Islamic scholar, fears the recruits could be used in terrorism attacks in Australia. He said some Somalis were being influenced by radical Lebanese from a hardline Wahhabi group. Dr Hilole will give a speech to the Melbourne Somali community tonight, marking the birthday of the Prophet Muhammad. In his speech, he says some Somalis have returned to Somalia from Melbourne and Sydney to join Islamic jihad and some have been killed. He told The Age extremists from Somalia visited last year to gather money and support and that one of their most important allies was the Somali mosque in North Melbourne. Leaders at the mosque declined to speak to The Age but worshippers say the mosque, in Racecourse Road, is a community centre. Victorian Somali Social Club president Osman Ali said 10 to 20 Somalis had returned to fight, but as much for tribal and nationalist reasons as religious. Somalia is in the grip of a civil war between the Islamic Courts, a group of militant Islamists, and the Somali Government, which also comprises Muslims. Other Melbourne Somali leaders denied that Australian Somalis were engaged in jihad, in Somalia or Australia. Sheikh Isse Musse of the Werribee Islamic Centre said he would know if anyone went to fight, and Somali Council of Australia president Salaad Ali Ibrahim said the claims were misleading. Mr Ibrahim said most Australian Somalis — more than 10,000 — lived in Melbourne. There was no danger from them, he said. "I work with the Victorian police very closely and ASIO, and would be the first person to put his hand up if there are people wanting to do that kind of thing." An Australian Federal Police spokesman said he could not discuss investigations in Australia, but the force was investigating the alleged death of an Australian man in Somalia. Dr Hilole says in his speech that Islamist extremists are using terrorist tactics in Somalia, trying to create an insurgency similar to Iraq, and have found many supporters in Australia. "We know that some people left Australia to join the jihad of the Islamic Courts and have even been killed. We know there are supporters in Australia who want to recruit young Somalis to go back or support financially the Islamic Courts," he says. "The community must be made aware of this and we must put a stop to it." He adds: "Somalis who take up Australian citizenship should know that they are now committed to obeying Australian law … Under Australian law it is forbidden to join jihad in any other country or join any war that is against the interest of Australia." Dr Hilole told The Age that Muslim extremists fell into two groups in Australia: those promoting political Islam, such as Sheikh Taj al-Din al-Hilali, and those who supported jihad, such as Salafis (ultra-conservatives), who controlled some mosques and schools. He said Somalis who supported the Islamic Courts movement, and there were many, did not want to integrate with Australian society. "There was a group in Melbourne affiliated with al-Ittihad (the Islamic Courts) under the name al-Ansar, which was closed several times by Australian intelligence and security agencies. Now they are hiding in the community."

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: ^^Did you oppose him on Dahar episode though ? I thought he was wrong on that, was he not yaa Casse? Guess what he was told: Mate you are one heck of a bugger. April is coming to an end, you should've saved it for next year's Fools day.

[Mujaahid Ahmed Mire Mohamed retired SNM leader] "Dal Afrikaan oo Gumaysanaya Dal Jaarkiisa ah"Muj. Axmed Mire Mujaahid Axmed Mire Maxamed oo hadda ku nool magaalada London ee carriga Ingiriiska oo ka mid ah saraakiishii sarsare ee hoggaaminayey halgankii hubaysnaa ee SNM oo muddo dheer ka maqnaa saaxadda siyaasadda, ayaa markii u horreysay ka hadlay xaaladda dagaallada ka socda Soomaaliya ee u dhexeeya kooxaha hubaysan iyo ciidammada Itoobiya, waxaannu Mujaahid Axmed Mire si ballaadhan uga faallooday ciidammada Itoobiya ee iska galay dalka Soomaaliya. Maqaal dheer ku qoran afka Ingiriisiga ayaa wargeyska jamhuuriya halkan ku soo bandhigaa waxa uu uga dhigay cinwaan; "Dal Afrikaan ah oo qabsaday dal jaarkiisa ah, " isaga oo ku sheegay qoraalkiisa in qarnigan 21aad waxyaabaha ku cusub ay ka mid tahay dal Afrikaan ah oo qabsaday gumaysanayana dal kale oo Afrikaan ah. Sida oo kale waxa uu Muj. Axmed Mire ku xusay maqaalkiisa in aanay wax qiimo ah lahayn heshiiyada iyo cahdiyada Qaramada Midoobay iyo kuwa Midowga Afrikaba, isla markaana dib loogu guuray waqtiyadii hore ee loo yiqiin "Dark Ages" ee uu noolaan jiray hadba kii xoogga weyni. Golaha Ammaanka Qaramada Midoobay ee uu hoggaamiyo Maraykankuna waxa uu ku sharciyeeyey oo ugu duceeyey ayuu Muj. Mire yidhi; "Itoobiya oo ah Kiristaan qabsashada Soomaaliya oo ah dal Muslim ah, iyada oo lagu ciqaabayo oo qudha waxa ay aaminsan yihiin." Maqaalkiisa waxa kale oo uu ku sheegay Mujaahid Axmed Mire in taageerada si gaarka ah loogu siiyey Itoobiya iyana muujinayso tijaabada ugu xun ee gumaysi ee ka dhacda gobolka, sida oo kalena wax laga naxo oo laga murugoodo ay tahay sida bulshada caalamku ula dhaqantay Soomaaliya, iyada oo Golaha Ammaanka iyo hay'adaha caalamiga ahiba dhegaha ka furaysteen dhiigga ka qulqulaya Soomaaliya. Muj. Mire waxa uu ku sheegay qoraalkiisa, in inkasta oo burburkii qarankii Soomaaliya uu ku keenay dalka kala filiqsanaan siyaasadeed, ayaa haddana si aan nasasho lahayn ay qabqablayaasha dagaal ficilladooda dagaalladu ku keenay mujtamaca kala filiqsanaan buuxda, balse ururkii Midowga Maxaakiimtu ay abuureen nabad, ayna sugeen amniga muwaadiniinta, sida oo kalena hawlgeliyeen dhammaan hay'adihii adeegga bulshada sida caafimaadka iyo waxbarashada. Sidaa iyada oo ah ayaa haddana la goostay go'aan natiijadiisu noqotay in dawladda ku-meel-gaadhka ah oo Itoobiya gacan siinayso si khasab ah dusha lagaga keenay dadkii ka dhaliyey magaaladooda in sharciga iyo kala-dambayntu ka shaqayso, iyada oo aragtidaasina tahay mid ku salaysan qabiil. Waxa uu Axmed Mire ku sheegay maqaalkiisa in muddo ku dhow 20 sanno loo qabanayey shirar badan oo ka dhacay dibadda dagaal-oogayaal, balse wax guul ah oo ay keeneen shirarkaasi haba yaraatee aanay jirin. Si kastaba ha ahaatee, waxa uu xusay maqaalka Mujaahid Axmed Mire in haddana Mbeghati lagu soo macmalay dawlad federal ah oo ku-meel-gaadh ah oo Itoobiya daba-dhilif u ah, gacan taageerana ka helay qaar ka mid ah dalalka ku bahoobay Urur-goboleedka IGAD, ayaa iyada oo wax yar jirtay, wax sharciyad ahna lahayn, ay markiiba bulshada caalamku u aqoonsatay in ay tahay dawladda sharciga ah ee Soomaaliya. Mujaahid Axmed Mire waxa uu maqaalkiisa tilmaan kaga bixiyey, in markiiba qorshe hore loo sii dejiyey ay si deg-deg ah hoggaamiyeyaashii dawladda aan curanin kaga codsadeen xukuumadda Itoobiya in Soomaaliya la keeno ciidamo ajnebi ah oo ay ka mid yihiin kuwa Itoobiya si ay dib ugu soo celiyaan dalka xasilloonidii, inkasta oo codsiga noocaas ah ay ku gacan-saydheen Baarlamanka Mbeghati, ayaa haddana aakhirkii keentay in hay'addii sharci-dejintu ku kala jabaan codsigaa. Dhinaca kale, waxa uu xusay maqaalku in kooxo dagaal-oogayaal ah oo CIA-du taageerto ay dib isugu urursadeen Muqdisho, lana baxeen Kooxaha Isbahaysiga La-dagaalanka Argagixisada, isla markaana ku dhawaaqaan inay dagaal ku qaadayaan Midowgii Maxaakiimta. La soco cadadka dambe..... Xigasho: Jamhuuriya

Somalia: an African country colonised by its neighbour by Ahmed Mire() It is a phenomenon that an African country is colonising another African country in the twenty first century. The UN convention and the African Union charter were all invalidated. We were driven back to the Dark Age’s survival of the fittest. The Security Council led by the US legitimises and blesses the occupation of Ethiopia as a Christian country over Somalia as an Islamic state. Somalis are panelised simply for their faith. The privileged support of Ethiopia recalls the worst colonial practices in the region. It is a pity and really sad measure of the insouciance with which the international community treats Somalia. We have witnessed the negligence of the Security Council and other international institutions most emphatically by the evident paralysis of the international community in the face of the bloodshed of Somalia. Although the collapse of the Somali State brought about the disintegration of the country’s political order, the warlord’s reckless acts pushed the entire society into the abyss of total disintegration. But the Islamic courts brought about peace and provided security to all citizens as well as reactivating all social services such as education and heath. Nonetheless to capture Mogadishu by force is a cliché which has become fairly fixed in some clan’s lexicon. As a result of this a decision was taken to impose the TFG assisted by Ethiopia over the people that recently maintained law and order in their city. It is understandable if not practically edifying’ that Somalia should delve into old notebooks and dredge up to old memories. Riven by the Ethiopian forces and their warlords, Somalia is truly an enigma and has become an epitome of a failed state. For almost two decades many warlord dominated conferences were held abroad but never have been successful. However the Embagathi conference manipulated by Ethiopia with the help of some IGAD countries formed Transitional Federal Government (TFG). Despite all its shortcomings and illegalities, the international community accepted it as a legal Somali government. As pre-planned the infant government leaders immediately requested foreign troops including Ethiopia to restore order in Somalia. The parliament refused such a demand which brought about the split of the legislative body. On the other hand some warlords backed by the CIA regrouped and termed themselves as anti terror alliance declared war against the Islamists in Mogadishu. The warlords waged war against the Islamic courts but public insurrection occurred as the population rallied behind them and eventually the city was freed from the grip of the warlords. When the Union of Islamic Courts came to power, crimes have been significantly reduced and it became the first time that the people tasted peace and tranquillity. After the victory of UIC the TFG panicked making baseless accusations and seizing the opportunity to pave the way for foreign intervention and to gain the support of the US. President Bush’s more bellicose sentiment and revengeful acts against Somalia encouraged Zanawi’s virtually simultaneous display of uncalculated disdain. The US launched to impose its policies and pursue its interest in Muslim countries with shock and awe, an unprecedented onslaught of military power. Somalia’s conflict is symptomatic of the status quo in the Islamic countries. The main US argument is that Mogadishu may be a safe haven for Al-Qa’eda with no tangible proof but with their help they turned the city into hell on earth. Therefore, the west deluded by the Ethiopian intelligence and hatred towards Islam was a pretext to sustain the dominance of their client warlords who were responsible of the ruthless devastation of the nation. Imposing a warlord led corrupt dictatorial TFG on the Somali people further diminished inspirations of the public. The scope and depth of involvement in the political and economic affairs of Somalia is extraordinary yet little attention has been paid to the public and the civil society of the nation. If anything it is dominated by Ethiopia beatified by the west. However external players with political and economic influences show the interests and motives underlying continued engagement on the horn of African region particularly Somalia remain diverse, misled and at times diffuse. Ethiopia is waging war against Somalia under the camouflage that it is fighting against Islamist terrorists and that purports to defend its homeland. The theory has been embodied into Ethiopian colonial doctrine and the notion of pre-emption is predicated on the right to self defence justifying that it is permissible to conquer another sovereign nation. To designate the present conflict fighting against Islamist is a false term mystifying our perception of the situation instead of allowing us to think of the real truth. Hence Zanawi is trying to obscure his economic and strategic interest behind the invasion of Somalia which is supported covertly by the US foreign policy and the western media disinformation serving as an integral part of war propaganda. The Ethiopian armour rolled to fight the Islamic court fighters around Bidoa while the US fighter jets and Apache helicopters gunship pirouetted low in the furnace sky of the frontline. After heavy losses they made their leaving bash to the Islamists that brought the peace and tranquillity to their people. Therefore Ethiopian armour trundled off to capture Mogadishu without having to face any fierce resistance due to the sharp dichotomy between the Somali politicians. The traumatic takeover of Mogadishu presents such a poser for the Somali nationalists. At least it seems to have quenched the egoism of the west. But woe betides the country if more draconian measures of massacre and destruction take place. Whatever the subliminal message to Somali patriots it will not succumb, neither their Islamic values nor the resilient culture of the Somali people. There was something unequally ominous in the air, as visceral and ferocious anti-Ethiopian sentiment boiled over. It triggered the conflict between the Ethiopian invaders and the proponents of an independent sovereign Somalia. The root of the crisis is profoundly parochial and has more to do with practical power, prestige and clan issue than ideology. Hence the situation is extremely murky and will take many months and many years to tempt the public backed recalcitrant Islamic militias and tribal gangs. The Ethiopians are accused of raping women and still defiling the holly mosques and Islamic traditions. The daily occurrence of new grievances by their action together with the focus provided by the nationalists has portrayed their occupation. The foreign forces behaviour has caused intimidation, harassment, alarm and distress to the public in Mogadishu. The ruthless massacre of women and children in the streets of Mogadishu is a tragedy. Hence occupation has always been perceived as a process by which to rob the identity and dignity of the people. Ethiopia is seen as a Christian club with a dodgy imperial past. This strengthens the claim of Somali territories which is a geo-strategic error of history but not an untenable position. Its objective is to destabilise peace, unity and undermine the emergence of an independent Somali state. To satisfy their colonial ego, they want to divide the country into weak political units that can be exploited. To occupy more Somali territory and get an outlet to the coast is also embodied in their dream. So there is a great threat posed by determined Ethiopian predators that face their colonist attitude who will never wear ermine. Zanawi may see an opportune moment to trample the Somali nation but his already lacklustre policy offered a toadying tribute to the leadership. His follies and efforts to ensnare the orchestrated original list of terrorists as a reason of invasion have ended in vain. This situation is probably the worst with vast destruction mass rapes, other atrocities and thousand killed. Ethiopia waged war against the tribal militias of ****** clan creating a new civil war while deliberately supporting one party rather than mediating a peaceful agreement between the parties. As most westerns and African watchers agree a quick end to the war in Somalia is very hard to envisage. Now that the war has taken new dimensions, the Zanawi team have weakened and is squirming although he and his aids offer a slew of reasons. The ill conceived foreign intervention exposed the TFG and is seen evidently as ineffectual and dependent only on foreign support. The TFG is under Ethiopian control conducting arcane meetings with their boss Zanawi accompanied by several of his staff including his terse foreign minister, taking orders without demur. Yusuf policy remains in thrall to the Ethiopian state but most Somalis vehemently oppose the idea of occupation. In addition, the stooge government is used to camouflage the real objective of the military operation, providing a moral and principled image to the invaders. Their conviction to distort the evidence they put before their people is itself a tragedy. The Ethiopian troops forcefully occupied Somalia but not with the approval of the Somali people and the international community. The message is clear, Ethiopian forces are there to stay only because the TFG have asked them to stay. Do they mean the puppet government under their mercy? That is the well known imperial rhetoric! I am supporting the Somali government but in reality Zanawi is only with his own colonial objective as he kept the Somali territory in iron grip. The unlimited support of the US for Ethiopia’s incursion is itself a crime against humanity. The wars have caused an exodus of refugees and internally displaced a quarter of a million people. The people are obliged to flee their homes by indiscriminate shelling of heavy artillery suffering persecution on account of their political opinion and ethnic group. Obviously states have the fundamental responsibility to provide life supporting protection and assistance to their citizens. But when the government and the occupation forces denies access to populations at risk and deliberately subject them to starvation and abuse, the international community must find a way to feed the victims. Nonetheless, when government and the occupation troops fail to meet their obligation under international law they should be held accountable. Moreover the wars harbour threatening diseases thus the people at risk cannot be abandoned. In the meantime the UN failed to act effectively to the security and the humanitarian crises and the government deprive its citizens of basic freedom through outright coercion. The international community has obligations to protect the vulnerable, rescue the displaced and feed the impoverished. Yusuf is ensconced as president to be, was picked by Ethiopia after long cosseting by their intelligence in collaboration with the CIA. To get foreign troops in order to suppress the Somali people has been the brainchild of Yusuf regime and his followers. The claim looks preposterous and only wishful thinking of individual cronies of dictatorial regimes. He seems more tribal than national, revengeful, bloodthirsty and obstinate dictator. He has not shown signs of a more nuanced approach with the office of president rising above tawdry matters. The TFG is in a brazen mood. After years of dithering, the government has still not gained grounds in impressing the population or accommodating the opposition. As government became more intransigent, reconciliation seems less realistic. They started to develop a riposte not to talk to Islamic leaders and this was repeatedly enunciated at all press conferences. Yet, Yusuf appeared to rebuke Islamists for not stopping the fight while his action was too squalid to be comprehended. The government is quick to vilify anyone who criticises it in public similar to late Barre’s regime. The vagaries of the political cycles are beyond the reach of this president. After booing and heckling the Ethiopian forces in the city, the AU once again leered of cumulative new Ugandan troops which indulged in rampant violence. The AU actions and ideas towards Somalia resemble the self-justifying colonial era prejudice; that tried to legitimise western plunder by portraying Africans as helpless people who periodically exterminated each other inexplicable tribal conflicts. If Africans are still practising their master’s imperial policies among themselves, many countries will be liable to be colonised and so leading to more bloodshed and underdevelopment. Therefore the AU should act with great circumspection and should not do any action that might cause civil war. Astonishingly enough Ethiopia bears no responsibility for these heinous crimes of invading an independent country and killing its people indiscriminately let alone the respect of human rights and sovereignty. War crimes have been committed by targeting specific clans. No government can be established with a foreign whip but with the will and democratic acceptance of its nation. It would be preposterous to argue that the domestic policies, state structures and ideologies of Somalia are going to be transformed by military might. Africans also fail to understand the depth of the feeling among the Somalis against the occupation of a century long enemy. The apparently defensive dissolution of the contest between the ideology of the west and Islam seemed to show that democracy have been misused and has been identified with eruptions of bloody conflicts many of which had already been underway for decades or more. Ethiopia with the help of the west is bombarding a country that already reduced to rubble, with no infrastructure, repeatedly destroyed by war for the last two decades. The air strikes, artillery and tank shelling quickly turned the city into ghost town displacing thousands of innocent citizens. The cost of Somalia civilians can be only devastating as miserable Somalis fled to nowhere under the threat of bombing. None were sustained by the international food aid which is a deliberate imposition of mass starvation. Ambulances are not allowed to take the wounded to hospitals while the medical staff cannot freely attend their work. This demonstrated the burden of overwhelming force against defenceless opponents. There is no sense of leadership to act with ferocity in a country where no one cares and there is nothing to destroy. In the case of human rights, Ethiopia’s conduct of the war and violations of the Geneva Convention is totally illegal and inhumane. The occupation has been extremely violent, stained by ruthless torture, massive use of force against civilians, and other cruel despotic methods as well as lack of respect of human and religious rights whatsoever. It is really genocide, an ethnic cleansing focused on Hawiya clan executed by the Ethiopians under the sponsorship of the Americans. In democracy particular interest group can’t cling unchallenged to power. The government ought to be embrace by the people not to be imposed on them by an iron fist. Ethiopians claim they have killed over a thousand Islamist what an irony! All Somalis are Muslims so every women, child and elderly civilians are a dead Muslim for them; that is the logic behind their animosity. We have seen quite a number of violence from war to genocide around the world but never gained worldwide coverage although these events represented a set back to international law and to humanity. The occupation forces closed Al-jazeera and other independent media offices in Mogadishu which is a deliberate attempt to deter reporting the atrocities and the war crimes they commit. Hence the Ethiopian commoditised media which is corrupt and influenced by colonial policy silencing the freedom of speech and the rights of the oppressed. .However some European and African countries have great doubt about the efficacy of present political and military policies in Somalia while the Arab League as usual decided not to touch the problem with a bargepole. All seize fire negotiations between the warring factions namely the ****** clan elders and the Ethiopian occupying forces demonstrate that the Somali government has no power in the current affairs of its nation. We appeal for the AU, EU, US, LAN and the rest of the international community to act rationally, stop financing and assisting Ethiopia to commit genocide. We also strongly urge those international laws to be observed and all Ethiopian troops to be withdrawn unconditionally. If the perceived genocide, injustice, unfairness, occupation and hopelessness of the situation in Mogadishu is allowed, the essence of humanity will remain questionable. Ethiopian forces are not the solution but on the contrary have become a problem. They have caused mayhem. Therefore purely an effective indigenous mediation process is essential. The idea of conducting reconciliatory conference seems unstructured, ill organised with less passion and commitment. The clan factor is the Achilles heel of Somali nationhood. But the prospects of a decisive new direction do not hang on the quality of tribal analysis but on political will. The victims of a nationalist hubris emanating from the governing bodies are with extraordinarily narrowly defined political goals. Yet the government has fair chance to prove itself by facing the real challenges and other inherent fragilities in a peaceful cautious manner. Although Somalis has capacity to resolve differences yet they are extremely fractious domestically when competing for political power. The rescue of Somalia could be a new internationalism but reconciliation between intimate communities should be a priority. Though not exhaustive but based on experience, the government should act vigilantly to prevent any fratricidal wars on their watch. Moreover all cross sections of the civil society and the opposition parties ought to take part in the reconciliation conference. An independent neutral committee has to organise the conference in order to minimise friction and lack of communication which often leads to misunderstanding, feelings of neglect, resentment and alienation. Much of the foreign analysis about Somalia seems stuck in false and destructive binary. Somalia responsibilities for sorting out its problems should be left for the Somalis to decide and no overseas imposition is permissible. However Somalia has been a sovereign state and with the help of their religion and culture is able to solve their problems in their own way.' By, Ahmed Mireh Mohamed

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^Caamir We will talk in another day. Imika adiga waxba kuma odhan karo maxaa yeelay I do not have faith in those that are in the helm of Somaliland. Marka iska nafis imika. Marka raggeedi siyaasada Somaliland hogaanka u qabtaan ayaanu wada hadli doona.

^^ Yeah, let me continue my rant will ya.

^^ Sxb, there is a dispute here. If there is no peaceful settlement, then a military settlement is an option. Who is a victim? an armed person willing to kill you and willing to die in the battlefield is not a victim in my books. A victim is the lad that walking down the streets of Dhahar getting killed without an explanation or reason. And Somaliland will never do that because it will be contributing to the defeat of its end objective.

Violet, Helping the locals is one part of the politics that Somaliland needs to play. Its the weapon used to win the heats and minds. But equally defeating the opposing Puntland army is also part of the politics that Somaliland needed to play. The pull out benefits neither of those objective. --------- SM I see nothing wrong with fighting outside the population centers.

^^Let Duke run the field. A pull out from Dhahar represents a defeat for Somaliland's politics in Eastern Sanaag. "Was Riyale Kahin unware the Dhahar conflict, was unware the 20 of his minsiters going over there?" The SOB was aware of that but he didn't want to perminently stay in Dhahar. SW One advice, don't be fooled by Riyaale's foolish decisions. The pull out is a political defeat not a military one. There was hardly any good fight there. Even our nomad "Me" is disappointed. Btw, do tell Gorayacawl there is a nice meal awaiting for him in Erigavo. Caamir, Consider me nin waalan, hadii Eastern Sanaag aan ka hadlo inta Dahir Riyaale Hargeysa ii fadhiyo. All my weapons point to that SOB.

SW, Dalka waan naqaana, bahal naga da'waynoo dad cuni ma joogo. Till we sort out the bad apples in our midth, you and Duke may run the field.

Duke, You can ran the field today. Because that SOB is my leader. And i have absolutely lost faith in him. He needs to go. Until then, this will remain my last post on SOL. See you when that SOB is removed from office. Good bye

Daahir Riyaale Kaahin. Period!! He is a coward that has no idea about what going to war means. Ciidanka waxa uu moodaya in la iska diro oo hadana sidii xoolaha la iska soo kaxeeyo. He absolutely needs to go. This SOB is a failure and shame to Somaliland. Shame on your Riyaale. We solute Minister Waqaf for refusing to bring the Army back. We solute all rer Somaliland for going behind their sons in times of war. This is how rer Somaliland feel about this SOB's desasterous decision to bring the army back. "Dadka reer Ceerigaabo maanta gelinkii hore waxay sacab iyo caleemo qoyan ku soo dhoweynayeen ciidan ka tirsan Ciidanka Qaranka Somaliland oo ka yimi dhinaca galbeedka, laakiin, gelinkii dambe laba qof may wadahadlayn, oo niyad jab iyo madluun ayaa ka muuqdey, " sidaa waxa Somaliland.org u sheegay weriye jooga magaalada Ceerigaabo oo sharraxayey sida dadka dareenkiisu isu beddeley markii ay maqleen in ciidamadu dib uga soo noqdeen Dhahar.

Originally posted by me: ^^aha...so thats how its spinned, shaqadii waa la soo dhamaystay..marka waa laga soo baxayaa. And I was hoping for a good old war. You won't be disappointed.

^^ It is the norm. Even inside Hargeisa. Ahhmed Gureey Watch you language before you disappear. Big Brother is cleaning up the place.