Wuxuu xilka ka qaadayaa Wasiirrada, Wasiiru-dawleyaasha, iyo Wasiir-ku-xigeennada, markuu soo jeediyo Wasiirka Koowaad. Wuxuu magacaabayaa jagooyinka sare ee Xukuumadda Federaalka iyo madaxda Hey’adaha Dawladda Federaalka, marka uu soo jeediyo Golaha Wasiirradu. Haddii uu bannaanaado xafiiska Madaxweyne, waxaa qabanaya xilka Guddoomiyaha Golaha Shacabka ilaa laga soo dooranayo Madaxweyne cusub muddo aan ka badnayn soddon (30)maalmood gudahood. Xil banneeynta jagada Ra’iisul-Wasaaraha oo sababaysa dhicitaanka Golaha Wasiiradda, waxay ku imaan kartaa istiqaalad, xil ka qaadid, xil gudasho la’aan iyo geeri. Wuxuu magacaabaa Taliyeyaasha Ciidammada Heer Federaal iyo ka qaadista xilalkooda, markii ay soo jeediyaan Golaha Wasiirradu,. Wuxuu magacaabaya jagooyinka danjireyaasha iyo qunsuliyadaha guud, markuu Golaha Wasiirradu soo jeediyo. Come on guys stop being clowns Not one place in the constitution does it say prime minister ayaa talo ka sugo madaxweynaha lol. Its always the always around. I hope the somalis dont catch up on this like faysal ali waraabe did lol

You all are not attacking the issue but attacking me which I sense means you haven't any rebuttals

Madaxweynaha Jamhuuriyadda Federaalka Soomaaliya Oo Kulan La Yeeshay Madaxweynihii Hore Ee Soomaaliya Notice noone is calling him madaxa dawlada somalia. Because he isn't dawlada thats the executive. His the president of the state and a symbol to the people is really the presidency role in this constitution. Anyways simon did u read the link I posted. Its interesting aint it, im still delving through it.

Yo xaji can u explain why if the president seat is vacant the speaker can assume the role but if the pm seat is vacant the whole government collapses and noone can just assume the role? maybe because its the executive and alot of damage can be done

hadee xaaji the president doesnt appoint anyone without the PM telling him who to appoint. He cant sack anyone without the PM approval. These are executive orders my friends and they lie with the prime minister. So its like the people vote for the president thinking he is the executive because somalis have that mindframe even I did untill i read the document but once inside the government he then secretly chooses the boss WHO has the executive power the PM

Suldaanka;868418 wrote: Dr Osman thinks that Somali politicians give a flying fig about a constitution. Quranka Kariimka ah ee lagu dhaariyo horta ma xushmeeyaan ayaa ka horeysa. They dont have to give a fuk about the constitution but that will also mean theyre out of a job and broke the law. Its not about who cares and who dont but if u break the constitution, that can be shown to the u.n and u have no leg to stand on to keep your position.

I think positive is the only person who realizes the seriousness of this document and it's implications. The rest of u have no clue what this means at all

Ngone, xaaji..There is not one place the president can appoint or sack anyone without the PM. Its all over the dastuurka. I am not going to repost it. He doesnt appoint the ministers, ambassadors, deputies, or even the general the pm does. Asaa uu sheego qof la magacabayo si fican uu aqri. Wat i see occuring is the president is choosing his president. Thats what this dastuur is about

Lets discuss this issue because need to know who is running somalia under our new constitution and government is it the president or the prime minister. I am 95% certain it is the prime minister because of the following reason; 1. He is the executive, so he does the hiring and firing of ministers and everyone except the president and speaker 2. He is referred to as the head of government Even the PM is the only call the important parliament together the upper house The Upper House of the Federal Parliament shall be convened for a special session whenever: (a) Called by the Prime Minister;The Upper House of the Federal Parliament cannot be dissolved. 3. The president has no executive role other then being a head of state 4. Vacancy in the office of the Prime Minister caused by the resignation, dismissal, failure to fulfill responsibility, or death of the Prime Minister shall lead to the dissolution of the Council of Ministers. . I find this amazing too. The speaker can take over the presidency if its vacant and hold it in the interim but noone can hold the p.m spot in the interim since its the executive and the whole government collapses. Wa in laga dooda arintan waaba dawlada somalia iyo nidaamkeeda

I think it is fair to assume that this sums it up. (1) Awoodda fulinta ee Jamhuuriyadda Federaalka ah waxaa leh Golaha Wasiirrada, waxayna u qabanayaan sida Dastuurka ku tilmaaman. (2) Golaha Wasiirradu waa hay’adda fulinta maamulka ugu sarraya Dowladda Federaalka, wuxuuna ka kooban yahay Ra’iisul Wasaare , Ra’iisul-Wasaare ku-xigeen/ku-xigeenno, Wasiirro, Wasiirro-Dawlayaal iyo Wasiirro-ku-Xigeenno. The highest form of government. Prime minister can sack the ministers and below, the president cannot without getting approval from the prime minister. Infact the president cant name the general of the army without the prime minister approval. The only thing the president can do freely is host guests, open parliament, and stuff like that WHICH are symbolic stuff since his the head of state. I dont know the only thing that confuses me is, why give him the right to appoint the p.m yet strip everything away from him dont make no sense at all.

Its as if this constitution was written to make somalis run after the presidency and think president is the power of the state but once inside the president just defers the power of the govt to the PM. (a) Madaxa Jamhuuriyadda Federaalka ee Soomaaliya; Notice not one place in the dastur says that the president has executive power, infact his not even the head of govt but the state a symbol of the nation.

I think it is quite safe to say the president has no executive power at all and is not the head of government but the head of the state like queen elizabeth is the head of state in the u.k lakin fulinta waa david cameron

Even in af somali it says the prime minister is head of government.This is not a translation issue Awoodaha Ra’iisul-wasaaraha waa: (a) Madaxa Xukuumadda Federaalka ah; Awoodda fulinta ee Jamhuuriyadda Federaalka ah waxaa leh Golaha Wasiirrada, waxayna u qabanayaan sida Dastuurka ku tilmaaman. Wuxuu xilka ka qaadayaa Wasiirrada, Wasiiru-dawleyaasha, iyo Wasiir-ku-xigeennada, markuu soo jeediyo Wasiirka Koowaad. Wuxuu magacaabaa Taliyeyaasha Ciidammada Heer Federaal iyo ka qaadista xilalkooda, markii ay soo jeediyaan Golaha Wasiirradu,. Wuxuu magacaabaya jagooyinka danjireyaasha iyo qunsuliyadaha guud, markuu Golaha Wasiirradu soo jeediyo. Wuxuu magacaabayaa jagooyinka sare ee Xukuumadda Federaalka iyo madaxda Hey’adaha Dawladda Federaalka, marka uu soo jeediyo Golaha Wasiirradu.

I am very confused.Because the president sole executive role is to hire the p.m thats it. Everything else he needs to take what the P.M says. He can't fire the p.m either u need half the parliament to fire the P.M, infact he cant even fire ministers without approval from the PM e) Dismiss ministers, state ministers and deputy ministers on the recommendation of the Prime Minister; The only sole executive role of the president is to hire the p.m thats it. Thats why im confused. The president is called the head of state while the pm is referred to as the head of the government which explains why everything that is executive power falls into his lap however the appointment of the p.m resides with the president. Its like the president is picking his president..waa confusing The p.m and president cant sack each other they both need to go the parliament to get half the parliamentary vote. But the only thing the president does that is executive without the PM approval is picking the PM which is where im confused. If that wasn't there then I would safely assume the PM is running the roost here

http://www.somaliweyn.com/pages/news/Aug_12/Somalia_Constitution_English_FOR_WEB.pdf The link is there.

I have been reading the new constitution of Somalia and I am quite baffled to figure out who is the power the president or prime minister? It's not as straight forward as I thought. I know Somalia is based on the famous 3 arms of separation of power. 1. Executive 2. Legislator 3. Judicial. Very straight-forward stuff. Executive is the prime minister and he does the enforcing, the legislator is the parliament and he passes the bills, and the judicial is the courts to ensure it was done legit. Now the big question is, who is the top dog of the government? As far as the constitution is concerned it calls the prime minister the head of government and executive while it calls the president head of state. Alot of what the president does is symbolic but there are some things in there which are not symbolic like chief of the armed forces. Below is the duties of the of president; Article 87. The President of the Federal Republic of Somalia (1) The President of the Federal Republic of Somalia is: (a) The Head of the State of the Federal Republic of Somalia; (b) The symbol of the national unity; © The guardian and promoter of the founding principles of the Constitution. The powers and responsibilities of the President of the Federal Republic of Somalia are to: (a) Declare a state of emergency and war in accordance with the law; (b) Serve as Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces; © Appoint and dismiss the Commanders of the Forces at the Federal Government Level on the recommendation by the Council of Ministers; (d) Appoint the Prime Minister, and to dissolve the Federal Government if it does not get the required vote of confidence from the House of the People of the Federal Parliament by a simple majority (50% +1); (e) Dismiss ministers, state ministers and deputy ministers on the recommendation of the Prime Minister; (f) Sign draft laws passed by the Federal Parliament in order to bring them into law; (g) Open the House of the People of the Federal Parliament; (h) Hold an annual session with the House of the People of the Federal Parliament; (i) Address the House of the People of the Federal Parliament at any other time; (j) Appoint the chairman of the Constitutional Court, the High Court, and other judges at the Federal Government Level in accordance with the recommendation of the Judicial Service Commission; (k) Appoint senior Federal Government officials and the heads of the Federal Government Institutions on the recommendation of the Council of Ministers; (l) Appoint ambassadors and high commissions on the recommendation of the Council of Ministers; (m) Receive foreign diplomats and consuls; (n) Confer State Honors on the recommendation of the Council of Ministers; (o) Dissolve the House of the People of the Federal Parliament when its term expires, thereby prompting new elections; (p) Pardon offenders and commute sentences on the recommendation of the Judicial Service Commission; (q) Sign international treaties proposed by the Council of Ministers and approved by the House of the People of the Federal Parliament Prime minister; Article 97. The Council of Ministers (1) The executive power of the Federal Government shall be vested in the Council of Ministers, in accordance with the Constitution. (2) The Council of Ministers is the highest executive authority of the Federal Government and consists of the Prime Minister, the deputy prime minister (s), ministers, state ministers and deputy-ministers. (3) The Prime Minister shall appoint deputy prime ministers, ministers, state ministers, and deputy ministers. Those eligible for membership of the Council of Ministers may be, but shall not be limited to, members of the House of the People of the Federal Parliament. (4) Vacancy in the office of the Prime Minister caused by the resignation, dismissal, failure to fulfill responsibility, or death of the Prime Minister shall lead to the dissolution of the Council of Ministers. The responsibilities of the Prime Minister are to: (a) Be the Head of the Federal Government; (b) Appoint and dismiss members of the Council of Ministers; © Present the Council of Ministers and government program before the House of the People of the Federal Parliament to seek their endorsement; (d) Carry out any other function conferred upon him or her by the Constitution or by any other law that complies with the Constitution and its underlying values. I've highlighted the troublesome areas that I am confused about. Everything that is executive related the president can't do anything without the pm approval but when its symbolic stuff like foreign delegates, opening parliament there is no need for the p.m approval. Whats up with that? Who holds the power in somalia today is it the head of state or head of government. We know exactly which is which according to the constitution. I am assuming its the executive but at the same time the president has the power to appoint the prime minister so it's a real gray area and has had me confused. I know one thing the executive is the power of a government, there is no if's about that. But what confuses me is the president still appoints the executive so he does have power yet as soon as the p.m is appointed the president goes back to a symbolic role and can't do anything without the p.m approval. Its confusing as hell

Hey somalia are you proud of the state bro?

Dabrow, it is not silly and puntland has the right to decide it's future if Somalia are electing people such as farmaajo who have failed to lead the nation before. How silly of somalis to vote for this sort of character again. I am disgusted and believe puntland should hold an extraordinary meeting post somalia presidential election if farmaajo is elected. I believe we should pursue on rebuilding our region and taking care of our political, security and state development programs.

Xaji I will be very suprised if ina gaas isn't the next president regardless of what the puntland admin is saying. The guy has it in the bag!!! IT WILL BE MADE OFFICIAL TOMMOROW

Xaji whats your issue with ina gaas other then the fact he is from puntland?

Xaji do you really have doubts that ina gaas will be the president of somalia tommorow?

Somalia: Puntland Warns Against Manipulation of Presidential Election(Press Release) Posted by Pi on September 8th, 2012 Puntland State of Somalia Garowe PRESS RELEASE 8 September 2012 Puntland Government warns strongly against continued alleged practices of manipulation, corruption, coercion, and intimidation during the last days of the Somali presidential election process. Among the Somali Signatories, Puntland has played a primary role during the Roadmap to the End of Transition Process in Somalia, including hosting two National Constitutional Conferences in the state capital of Garowe and playing a leading role at Roadmap Signatories Meetings in Galkayo, Addis Ababa, and Nairobi. Reference is made to Puntland Government press statements of: 10 June 2012, where Puntland warned against spoilers derailing the peace process in Somalia; 4 July 2012, where Puntland supported formation of the emerging and remaining Federated States of Somalia, as per constitutional requirements; 26 August 2012 , where Puntland warned against continued political interference in the selection process for Members of Federal Parliament; Puntland also notes the nomination of a Government Committee on Federal Affairs tasked with monitoring political developments and the election process in Somalia; 28 August 2012 , where Puntland welcomed the transparent election of the new Speaker of Federal Parliament H.E. Mohamed Osman Jawari and encouraged the new Speaker to pursue a parliamentary agenda, in accordance with the Provisional Federal Constitution of Somalia. Having noted renewed alliance among known failed politicians, Puntland reiterates its position and calls upon Federal Parliamentarians for a fresh start by electing a capable and trustworthy statesman candidate for the position of Somali President, followed by the nomination of a likewise candidate for Prime Minister of the Federal Republic of Somalia. Therefore, Puntland warns strongly against electing politicians who have been tested and failed in the past to fulfill entrusted national tasks, in favor of personal gains and a record of inciting community hostilities and leading to further national fragmentation. If such elements are elected through unfair practices, Puntland State reserves the right to decide its own destiny, in accordance with provisions of the Puntland Constitution

This is going to be massive. It's going to be puntland's government square and will contain the residence for the president, v.p, and government officials. It will have offices for the high level security force personnel of police, pdf, pmf, spu, pis, etc and other government officials. I think this is great development. There is also rumours of more ministries under construction which add to the fact that puntland is cementing itself as a formidable administration in somalia. Note: I am still not 100% pleased with the parliament of puntland interior and would like that to have an urgent face-lift. If that was done with the added development of puntland govt square and more ministries under construction on top of our existing ministries. Not to mention our well developed local councils in bosaso, garowe and galkayo with majestic governor houses, Puntland could easily be mistaken to be the government of somalia.

This is going to a massive site. It's going to be known as Puntland Government Square and consist of west-wing style government. Truly befitting for the Puntland Administration.