Jubbaland has so much potential, look at that seaport and it'z size damnnn. Can you imagine how successful Jubbaland will be? You name it, its there. agriculture, Airport, Port, Kenya and Somalia business traffic via road is huge, the tax from that alone is sufficient. Proven oil since its the same land as NFD with proven commercial oil. The future is looking excellent for that region if the administration streghtens and maintains security. I know for a fact heaps of diaspora would return there and I mean heaps. Just to give you a comparison, look how successful Puntland has become only with such a small port, you can then fully realize the potential in the jubbas or as I like to call it the DEEP SOUTHH MAYNE

Jubaland oo gadiid Milatari Kismaayo kala soo dagtey maanta ( Daawo Sawiro). Maamulka KMG ee Jubba ayaa dekada magaalada Kismaayo kala soo degay ku dhawaad 20 gaari oo nooca dagaalka ah ee Somalida u taqaano Cabdi Bille Cabdi, ama la yiraahdo 4F-ka , Iyadoona gadiidkan laga soo rarey dekeda Dubia sida ay u xaqiijiyeen Dunidaonline.com saraakiil ka tirsan maamulka Jubaland. Gadiidkan uu lasoo degay maamulka Axmed Maxamed Islaan (Axmed Madoobe ) hogaaminayo ayaa noqonaya midkii ugu horeeyey tan iyo markii maamulka Jubaland shacabka gobolada Gedo, Jubada dhexe iyo Jubada hoose soo doorteen maamulka matala saddex gobol ee uu ka kooban yahay Maamulka Jubaland. Saraakiisha Maamulka Jubaland oo Dunidaonline.com uga warbixiyey sababta gadiidka usoo gateen ayaa sheegey inay la xiriirto sidii ay qeyb uga noqon lahaayeen difaaca xuduudaha maamulka Jubbaland iyo ku xoojinta awoodaha ciidamada maamulka ee amaanka gudaha sugaya. Dunidaonline.com

Garowe oo marti galinaysa shirweyne Puntland, Jubaland, DF & maamulka Koonfur Galbeed. Ilo xogogaal ah oo si hoose ula hadlay shabakada wararka ee Dunidaonline.com ayaa u xaqiijiyey in dowlada Puntland 18-ka ilaa 20-ka bishan April shirweyne looga hadlayo arrimaha maamul goboleedyada ku marti galin doonto magaalo Madaxda Puntland ee Garowe. Shirkan oo ay kasoo qeyb galayaan madaxda maamulada Jubaland, Puntland , Maamulka cusub ee dhawaan Baydhabo saddexda gobol looga doortey ee Koonfur Galbeed iyo Wafti ka socda dowlada Federalka Somalia oo uu hogaamin doono Ra,iisal wasaare C.wali Shiikh Axmed. Warbaahinta Dunidaonline.com oo horey wax uga qortey safarka la filayo inuu Ra,iisal wasaaraha Somalia ku yimaado Puntland ayaa qorshuhu yahay inuu kala qeyb galo dhinacyada ay ka mid yihiin Puntland, Jubaland, Dowlada Federaalka Somalia iyo Maamulka Koonfur Galbeed shirweynaha dabayaaqada bishan Garowe lagu marti galinayo. Madaxweynaha Dowlada Puntland oo haatan booqasho ku maraya deegaano ka tirsan Gobolka Mudug ayaa la filayaa marka uu safarkiisu soo dhamaado inay Puntland isu diyaariso qaban qaabada shirkan lagu marti galinayo. Ma ahan markii ugu horeysay oo shirar arrimaha Somalia ku saabsan lagu qabto Garowe oo ah Caasumada Puntland, walow uu noqonayo qorshaha shirkan la hadal hayo in looga hadli doono mid ka duwan shirarkii horey uga qabsoomay Garowe iyo Gaalkacyo. Xafiiska Wararka Dunidaonline.com

Oi Ciidan lets talk langaab. Even one minister in Puntland has higher profile then siilanyo

Ciidan, Is it that hard to show one tank moving in somaliland? I guess so, their is no operational tanks, their is only non operational tanks which you showed and which I agree with. Plus there were more then 2 tanks there moving plus other s and that was only one base, you know how many bases puntland has in mudug or even the airport ones? Puntland has at least 10 tanks thats operational around 3 or 4 at each base

Ciidan rusts proves it's operational, no different to the rusts of ethiopia tanks. Can you show me one tank that moves in SNM land? or are they just the tanks that siyad left unoperational and you painted it and black and said look at this lol. Wallahi I don't believe SNM have tanks, its propaganda or lets see the thing move

By the way I am not a big fan of siyad barre weapons, their old gear now, we should upgrade our darawish like we did with the marines and equip them with more modern equipments. I wouldn't mind seeing T71 tanks just not these T55 tanks, they are well past their due date. I think the marines and PIS serve as a perfect example of how Puntland should approach the modernisation of our darawish. They surely deserve it too.

Somalia only known operational tanks were seen moving as president gaas visited galkayo. Their are no other known tanks that have been seen moving and operational in somalia. Their have been shows of tanks from abudwak, cadaado, ssc, and snm but none have been shown moving or operational. Why I say this is because, anyone can find the unoperational tanks littered in somalia from siyad barre day and paint it in military camoflague like cadaado or black like snm. The other tanks from abudwaq,ssc,galkayo haven't been painted and look rusty which is a strong argument for their operational or why else would they be rusty like that. Notice even ethiopian tanks are rusty too the ones which we know actually operate. The tanks in galkayo are below

He must of seen the UNFPA census, illahi ha caafiyo odayga

Adnan trolling isn't considered evidence my friend, and I want my friend Xunjuf in here right now, I am shocked he hasn't entered cause I want to humiliate him. Xunjuf come out come out wherever you are

Back to the figures provided in the most comprehensive census since the 1980s using multiple techniques, satellite imagery, inclusive of urban,rural,idp settlements, watering points of nomads, land software, afripopulation datasets, kenya settlement comparisons and ontop of that undp,un and other agencies census included. Their has not been a census like this untill the UNFPA comes out. The closest that comes to it is the UNDP one which only works of the 1980s census and then applies UN growth estimates formulas not including rural, watering points, satellite imagery, datasets or comparative settlements techniques from known censused towns in kenya or ethiopia. What really kills the UNDP count is the fact it doesnt factor in the shift of population from 91 back to clan strongholds and just uses an incrementive u.n formula to predict growth from the 1980 census. Boys wallahi nothing matches this estimate in the market, it's the strongest estimation we have since the 1980s just look at the sheer evidence nothing can refute it till UNFPA. Now let me analyse some of what my leaders kept reiterating about this 1/3 of somalia. I took it to mean land-size but I think there is more to it as I shall explain. Lets first understand what 1/3 is. In percentage terms this is equivalent of 33% but in mathematic terms we must round of to the next 0 which would be 30% rather then 40%. Now that is out of the way, lets look at what farole meant Puntland is 1/3 of Somalia and if the man has justification to say so. 30% from the most comprehensive population estimation of Somalia would mean 30% from 8.7 million national population. This will equal 2.6 million population. As we know Puntland is roughly 2.1 million without Sool or Sanaag. Sanaag and Sool Must be the other 500k because when somaliland election was done the only places that voted were in snm and awdal territories. The boys in Makhir and Sool didn't vote. We know from this that 500k must be located in awdal and snm territories combined and the rest logically must be Dervish and Makhir combined and it fits quite well into Puntland 30% of somalia statements from farole constantly. 2.1 + 500k=2.6 million which in turns equals 30% of Somalia. I will be digging very deep for the breakdown of population in the north and south since these areas are not inclusive of one clan such as ddsi and puntland where even their regions were simply dubbed their clan name by colonialists since there was nothing else there to argue unlike other southern and northern regions. I don't want to give any population to a clan they do not deserve regardless who it is and everyone must know what each clan numbers are and stop this nonsense of asking for things that you do not deserve nor warrant because this is an injustice in itself and will only lead to destruction in the end, everyone must accept what is rightfully theirs and be content with it.

The way I see the Puntland Somaliland borders tussle ending is in the following scenario; The first scenario would be the SNM saying we will join federation on the condition of the northern borders remaining, knowing how important federation is to Puntland, I can see them doing a tanasul. The Second scenario I see is Puntland arguing for a referendum in the disputed areas and letting the people decide if they will join Puntland or Somaliland. It's hard for Somaliland to refuse without undermining their own democracy of people's will. I think this will go in the favor of the Puntland if it went down to a vote considering the largest subclan of the dervishes are supportive of Puntland and only 2 sub clans aren't, the rest basically are. The third scenario I see is Dervish pull a wild card out and say we want an administration for Sool,Sanaag,Togdheer because of the disputes between Somaliland and Puntland and the fact those three states have been neglected by both administrations and it's in the people's interest of those states to have it's own administration. The wildcard in this scenario is they will need to convince makhir,hy,hj that live in those areas of it. They could use the marital ties, neglect from the other two administrations economically, Historical borders which somaliland used to be two regions hargeisa and burco to convince them. This would have an advantage for SNM since alot of the subclans HY and HJ could play a leading role in the new state same with the makhir and dervishes. Las qoray would definitely be their future port. HA and Awdal can share the two states and power respectively The fourth scenario I see is a sneaky one from Puntland using Sool and Sanaag to bring Somaliland into federation and saying if you don't join, then we will not cede those two regions. Ahmed Karash smirk gives me the idea, that this is very possible scenario also. It seems like they know what their doing and not concerned, it's like they have something up their sleeves but we just don't know what, all we can do is speculate but I think one of those four scenarios will be played out in the disputed regions. We will see how it turns out, but I would like to see second scenario played out, because I want to see SOOL oil pipelines connected to EYL and we get a tax on it. I am selfish but hey I gotta look after my interest if things don't turn out my way. But in all honesty the third option is best for those regions from a historical standpoint since colonial borders somaliland was always two regions east and west and the SNM and Harti in particularly in the east have been neglected economically and politically such as HY and it's more balanced to in numbers.

I read that on waagacusub, I think it will happen because if it don't then there is no reason for abudwaq folks to join a central region administration. Plus what really supports the idea of galmudug of joining puntland is the fact that there is no administration created where two states share a state, it goes to one administration or the other. A good example is jubbaland it's 3 states jubba dhexe, jubba hose, gedo whereas the RRA folks will be bay,bakool,shabelle hose. Notice that jubbaland didn't share bakool with the RRA folks? because their are jubbaland folks who do live in the region of bakool but it went to the RRA folks completely. So this business of sharing a state between administration looks like it aint going to happen and galmudug will most likely join Puntland due to the fact the majority in mudug are from Puntland. I honestly think the way Somalia is going to be shaped in federation will be. Jubbaland consisting of Jubba hose, Jubba dhexe, Gedo. Followed by RRA folks consisting of bay,bakool,shabelle hose. Followed by Central region consisting of Galgaduud, Shabelle Dhexe, Hiran. That makes sense notice the prime number 3 states? and notice Shabelle each one will have access to a port Barawe for Central region, Merca for RRA folks, Kismayo for Sahal folks. Bosaso for Puntland. Berbera for Somaliland.Mark my words it will turn out like that because it any administration that is formed needs to be more then 2 states and needs to have economic viability and geographic proximities. I am still pulling my hair out about SOOL and Sanaag because they don't have economic viability to be their own administration but they do have access to a coastline such as las qoray even though their is no port but it could be one in the future. The second thing that makes wonder is since all the other regions are on that prime number of 3 states, how will puntland and somaliland look with 5 states? the third thing that pulls my hair out is geographically Sool and Sanaag are closer to Puntland, for example Sanaag is way closer to Bari then Waqoyi Galbeed, Sool is way closer to Garowe then Burco. So geographically speaking it seems like it's going to Puntland and economically speaking Sool and Sanaag depend on Bosaso port not so much Berbera due to the distance. Finally what blows my mind away is the only sound reason sool and sanaag can join Somaliland is can Puntland cope with such a massive region and population? this in itself would make it economically unviable. So it will be interesting to see what happens to sool and sanaag under federation, but from what I can see it's most likely going to Puntland either thru a referendum done on those regions or it will end up being it's own state and will recieve extra financial support to build key infrastructure such as airports and ports. I honestly can't think of a valid reason why sool or sanag would join somaliland not economically or geographically speaking and definitely not through the people's will either. The only thing I can think of that those regions would join somaliland is if the hargeisa boys say we won't join the federation without the historical waqoyi borders, that is the only bargaining chip, I can see from the SNM which can make us reconsider. But the idea of historical borders on it's own won't convince us, if they use that argument on top of a realistic argument that is valid today such as federation and threaten that they won't join the federation without all waqoyi, then fair enough cause that can affect our federation which is a reality on the ground. I also can see if they do join federation, sool and sanaag cant refuse joining waqoyi without looking clannish cause their using the somali unity card now, however if the hargeisa boys say we will join federation with all of north border intact then I cant see how makhir or dervish can refuse without looking clannish, they will be put in between a rock and hard place then. So it's in their interest now to form a mamul and get it recognized using the somali unity card before the north does join federation and then the ssc area argument look totally clannish and noone will tolerate and they know. The only thing I can suggest to them is if you want a mamul, you need to convince hj,hy,makhir and all ssc to join it because there is none of this business of clan borders it's total jurisdiction borders of a state fully or nothing not parts of.

by the way i think the galkayo zone wih yellow makes no sense, even burco is green. Read this xunjuf, this is more macquul khatumite says it like it is to snm about tiro of macivity macherten and im sure a hag will tell u the same. http://qalinmaal.blogspot.com.au/2013/07/wuxu-yidhi-jilib-majeerteen-ah-ayaa-ka.html

I wanna get in the ring with xunjuf. Only 4 degmos arent mine in the noth east galdogob,hobyo,harardheere,waciye(nit really a district) sonits really 3. You have ever lose 3 gobols of the north awdal,sool,sanaag. you see where i am going? i am like 95% in north east, u r 40% at best consideing your missing 3 gobols, im missing 3 degmos. I am clear majority, you are not. By the way u cant refute this, the amount techñiques applied, resources used, software applied is insane. Fear numerical power of the macivity macherten, to think at one time xunjuf used to compare us to HA shows his lunancy, u cant even compare us to all waqoyi were twice the size, 6 times your clan size. Ma yara dadka macherten horay loogu mahmahay, been kuma gabyan ama mahmahan somalida

where is the mighty xunjuf, sad day in the terror enclave

Wallahi if we included those two silly degmo hobyo and haradheere, our land and sea is smack bang 60% somalia's land and its sea, only two degmos short, lets do it gaas

Ok i've found out who is NW and who is NE, this comes with good news and bad news, first the good news, NE doesnt include makhir or khatumo, so the snm boys will need to share that 1 million which will reduce their number significantly. But there is bad news also for us we need to share our number with galmudug becuz they defined as north east zone, but lets be real, those boys in galmudug are minority in mudug. 3 out of the 5 district is majority puntland and their weakness there is evident, so they won't dent our number much, i would say they are no more then 80k and im being very generous, were still well over 2 million below is the map

I never thought khatumo and makhir are that big, I really wish to know if they were counted as NE or NW, i highly suspect they were counted as NW beecuz i've never seen them designated as NE zone in any studies ive read. If they are in the NW that will also have a major blow for our snm brothers since the harti zone is solid green. What I find amazing is galkayo to garowe stretch is empty, i understand garowe all somalis know about garowe, but galkayo, thats strange considering it's our second largest city. I am quite disppointed and gedo is shocking no wonder they need hag always. As far as the snm is concerned looks like their major population is HY and HA looks like what the snm been saying about HJ tends to be true lol. If the sool and sanaag areas are counted as somaliland, then that will help boost our population, by how much, im not certain but from the map they look solid green and there is 500k known population for somaliland from the votes counted so we got another 500k to play with which of course needs to be shared with awdal. But a fair amount would be 350k for khatumo and makhir combined and 150k for awdal considering harti live in way more settlements then just one gobol like awdal, they have 2 states, all their zones are green while awdal has huge yellows of emptiness, This also can explain the need why awdal,ssc,makhir always unite against snm cuz the number becomes even then and with snm location in the middle they sit in between awdal,khatumo,makhir hence their enemy is in manageable units and they can deal with each one at a time which explains snm domination in the north. If awdal,ssc,sanaag launched multiple simulatenous attacks on the snm, i think they could overwhelm them. As for Puntland with a 2.4 population in addition 350k from ssc is close to 3 million. The real decider will be in jubbayoinka forget gedo those sick langaabs, but it was noted in the study the biggest density area is hamar,hargeisa,jubba river,shabelle. So we live in jubba river the question is how much. This is the battleground but in our favour is HAG never overan the south so their must be a formidble challenge in numbers from sahal there, they attacked kismayo multiple times but lost untill they had a gedo agent barre hirale. They wouldn't need agents if a formidable force wasn't there. So don't go running with the 5 million in the south and think it must be all HAG becuz if it is, then they would've captured all the south without the south being a stalemate, keep that in mind untill i get to the bottom of the numbers in the south.

Basically 3 million in the North and 5 million in South, the most heavily settled areas is Mogadishu, Hargeisa, followed by shabelle and jubba rivers. Who wants to break up the 5 million based on that information from the data sets in the journal. I would say HAG population is around 3 million,1 million for RRA, 1 million for Sahal. Ya illa aqbalo? I think it would be something like that, there is no question that HAG is the biggest clan in the south they have the most gobols hiran,galgadud,banadir,shabellaha dhexe, but what really boosts their number is mogadishu. But what also makes it complicating in the south is their is such a mix of clan, so you would never really know the clan percentage of the city unlike more homogenous areas such as Puntland, where u know its just them or ddsi area. I will be searching for south figures not just estimates but population techniques, data sets, population software used, etc. The south issue needs to be settled as far as i am concerned once and for all

burah huuhaagi iyo beenti ayaa soo yaratay. The only thing, I want to know is Northeast is it including sool or sanaag? whenever they use the term northeast, it's usually just Galkayo to Bosaso. If that is true, which I highly think so, that would mean I am twice the size of waqoyi all tribes. What I really want to know is how the 5 million for the south is divided looks like all the HAG regins are solid green and populated, which is scary. Looks like our jaale gedo boys r langaabs, but i think all somalis knew deep down and just give them credit for no reason. Study say Mogadishu and Hargeisa are the two biggest city, I'll settle for third for now which is still respectable position considering where bosaso in 91. I wish also to see how much less Bosaso is to hargeisa, they dont give population on towns.

Funny thing is there is this idea abdillahi yusuf folks r the bigfest sub clan in puntland but from what i can see on the map, the heaviest population areas is me reer boqor. But there is a known rule in puntland that we the reer boqor give the blessings on who gets to become president, rumour is gaas was told anaga ku difacayno run against farole, because his wife is reer boqor and i heard in every wasarad we got high positions on top of our respective ministries. I realized our strength when we single handledly fought all puntland, we mightve lost but we fought all of them says alot

burah, its already proven with spatial technique, langaab

Well Finally got some population stats on Puntland. It's roughly 2.4 million. It was 2.1 million back in 2010 so in 4 years it would grow. Somaliland population is about right, 1 million and I always knew this after I saw the election votes 500k votes counted. This is a scholary article using spatial technique and doing comparisons with known populations of kenyan districts and working out the relatively accurate estimates of somali towns. Interestingly their is high density across all puntland settlement, the state is well populated across the whole region. What I would've of loved is to see south central divided and populations provided for jubbaland, HAG areas and RRA folks. Anyways you can read more here on this spatial population and this aint done by ngos influenced by somalis, this is a scholary thesis done by a non somali using a valid population techniques. http://www.biomedcentral.com/content/pdf/1476-072X-9-45.pdf

it's a very sad situation Hargeisa the capital of somaliland is still struggling with basic social amneties such as water and electricity 20 years on, it paints a grim picture what other rural areas must be enduring. Alot of money waa given by the EU to somaliland for water investments in hargeisa, i've yet to see one drop of water added since siyad barre. I am very satisfied with Puntland in this aspect, it has really covered it's water,electricity needs early on in the state's history, all major cities such as Bosaso, Garowe, Galkayo have sufficient water and electricity and are being expanded on for additional capacity to bring IDP settlement up to standard, it has also covered those needs 80% in secondary towns such as Burtinle, Qardho and is working on bringing remote rural towns up to standard now with the 'off the road' initiave starting to take shape in the state.