Dervish;774385 wrote: Why do you people argue with Landers? They obviously don't understand the hypocrisy and irony of their seperatist thinking. At the end of the day I don't mind them seceding I just won't let them claim other people's land. If they want to secede We as Somalis should let them. Their somaliland minus awdal and ssc has nothing to offer Somalia so why keep them? They dont want to secede thats just the point. Go read dastuur.org that will clear up any confusion you may have what hargeisa leaders REALLY are doing

Don't bother listening to that crap, it's just a bit of media propaganda to give their locals hope. Reality is anything 2 states or more can become a state

This doesn't make sense at all. The constitution is clear 2 states or more, so it won't even be recognized by anyone even if it is created an administration in hobyo!!! It's just a tool to disturb the peace but rational minds will come together inshallah and say "listen as hobyo you won't get anywhere with this so rather then fight it out just don't waste ur time"

Gaacur why don't you provide suggestions on what you think about the production deals signed with the oil companies, the length of the exploration and production licenses. Can you please input do you think 3-4 year exploration license and a 20 year production agreement on a 60-40 arrangement is a good or bad deal? You have not discussed this issue. Warheedhe horta ka hadal wixi hada la taagan yahay ha inoo dambeyo punt-tfg memorandum on the oil and what cut the mogadishu govt will get

For anyone arguing with Somaliland about this matter after a court has settled it and dastuur.org a u.n run website has said they went to hargeisa got them to sign off on it their elders and politician is crazy. I am out of this topic, I just love Puntland Brilliance and how successful our politics has been which I stated in my above post with a number of evidences

I already knew most of this as far as the legal aspect, didn't know about the historical aspect. Very interesting read. They have no chance in hell of seceding from Somalia unless they had something to bribe the world with such as oil. But their ocean is so small. Half of the red-sea is puntland. So the offshore oil on that side is already ours. Plus we got another big long coastline at the indian ocean with more oil and exploration area. Our onshore oil is also ten times more then anything in Somaliland. Their only hope is the guban area smaller then the daroor exploration area. Let alone nugal-mudug basins and the exploration sizes there. Don't forget that Abdullahi Yusuf did sign a deal with the chinese company for mudug so there is oil its just little bit more risky cause of clan make-up there!!! Plus the sool and sanaag area has already been signed away to range resources that's why they can't find no company to explore those areas or it will be court case for those companies which is one of the reasons why their sending boys into galgala to disturb puntland so we cant take advantage of it since they know they won't be!!! But were one step ahead we got the best force in Somalia developing with air capabilities!!! Then all they do is CRYYYYYYY in hargeisa saying "Puntland breached the arms embargo", after capturing boots and uniform thinking Puntland would ship arms via air lol!!! We do that through our port boys. Anyways I am not going to delve into Puntland secrets any-more but just know one thing you will never win with the boys of the east, when it comes to politics we do it the best. Just look at your politics 20 years of no recognition, yet my politics I am called the father of federalism even though that has backfired a bit against us lately considering the administrations forming in our own backyard but as we are the smartest clan in Somalia we put balance check into federalism 2 states or more so if anything like what's occuring now in Puntland has no legitimacy!!! We fathered Two-Track Policy also. I have a wiki leak from 2008 cade muse speaking to the american embssy in nairobi to implement a two track system in Somalia and develop the peaceful areas and not reward the chaos!!! Finally no clan in Somalia can claim they influenced America to implement a Two track policy because 1. Why would mogadishu boys want a two track policy and helping out their enemies? 2. Somaliland Doesn't even want to be associated with Somalia so they couldn't of brain-child that initiative, which leaves only one other viable state Puntland!!! I have Farole calling for it in 2009 at the congress, I have a wiki leak from 2008 cade muse calling for it, and finally we all know Puntland lacks Infrastructure hence it make sense why we would call for it. So my evidence is strong in this matter Two presidents over a 3 year period campaigning for this policy mr cade and farole from 2008-2011 and the logical reasoning of Puntland lack of infrastructure gives it even more credibility for them to call for it and to enhance federalism further. Thats how you play politics fellas and somaliland well lets just say their amateurs when it comes to politics. Legally I always knew they stood no chance, Historically I wasn't quite well-versed in it because history don't matter when their is no legality in the matter to start with thats why I never really read into it and after reading dastuur.org which is a u.n run website saying they went to hargeisa were tusked away to meet the clan-elders, politicians over there and not only did they sign off on the constitution they added things to it. Anyone still on the Somaliland is getting recognized ignoring that is insaneeeeeeeeeee

Heres come more Guys. Yearly institutional review continues. Listen below to some hard talk between ministers answering to their constituencies and what they have done so far and what is left to be achieved!!! Ministry of Human Settlements http://www.garoweonline.com/artman2/publish/Wararka_19/Waqabadka_Deegaanka_Puntland.shtml Ministry of Health http://www.garoweonline.com/artman2/publish/Wararka_19/Waxqabadka_Caafimaadka_Puntland.shtml

Heres come more Guys. Yearly institutional review continues Ministry of Human Settlements http://www.garoweonline.com/artman2/publish/Wararka_19/Waqabadka_Deegaanka_Puntland.shtml Ministry of Health http://www.garoweonline.com/artman2/publish/Wararka_19/Waxqabadka_Caafimaadka_Puntland.shtml

Puntland is not another nation, We are federal state of Somalia. I am Somali and I feel for all somalis but xasidnimo ayaa somalida ka buuxdo mana raban puntland inay horumarto!!!! Look at Farole how many times he has praised somaliland ka xumo dadka haday wax is-taran. bal iska daaye inaad pland wax fican tirahdo you try to destroy our state!!! You know how many mogadishu and hargeisa folks were inside galgala mountains? Anigu waxan gaba in Puntland ay iska badesho weji fican ay somalida tusayso ay tusiyan ragga jebiye aideed at the height of his power and took away all his weapons to which point his clan has never recovered!!!

Gaacur u dont understand doesn't mean it's unclear. We have 60 billion barrels of oil onshore and ofshore just in mudug-bari-nugal. We have minerals like gold, silver, zinc, iron ore and gas. We need to invest to key sectors to create employment for our people!!! Is that hard for you to understand!!! Once we have created employment for our people, we can lift up our education sector to make sure our youth and future are all literate and educated. Investing in the health sector is also crucial to extend the lifespan of our people so their usefullness will be long-lasting. We need to garner investments domestic and foreign. What I mean by domestic is our business-men need to invest into the state especially in the tourism, manufacturing and service industry. This will make us not be oil depedendant and have other key sectors thriving!!! The foreign investment will also bring skyscrapers if they know their is people who are wealthy and can buy their products and they will build headquarters in our state. For example Amal today has 5000 customers in Bosaso, Tommorow it will have 500,000 customers because everyone will have jobs, be educated, and healthy. This will make Amal wealth go up and obviously that means they will build skyscraper and so forth this will happen across various industries which will transform our skyline. Sxb this will change our business industry totally!!! Skyscrapers will pop out everywhere due to an increase of customer bases for companies because the population is wealthy!!! They will give back by building massive headquarters!!!! Puntland Govt job will need to change then if they can do the following; 1. Provide health care at high standard that is free 2. Provide free education that is compulsary at high standard 3. Provide key infrastructure such as airports, roads, electricity, water, railways 4. Security 5. Good Governance which includes equality and justice for all If the Puntland govt does that the people will do the rest. Its quite simple. If Abdi has clean water, electricity, education and health access and is safe and feels the government is fair and of good governance he will go on to do other things that the state will need like become mechanic, doctor, scientist, businessman, electrician, farmer, etc. Puntland govt just need to provide the environment for this to happen the people will do the rest!!! Sxb as Puntland citizen we know what we need to do once the oil is in production mode!!! You just worry about your own people

Dr-Osman Vision is very clear!!! I want 20 billion barrels of oil in bari-nugal. I want about 5-10 billion barrels in mudug. 30 billion offshore. Concession 1, 2,3 area should be able muster 10 billion each. I want around 60 billion barrels of oil just within bari-mudug-nugaal onshore and offshore oil. Once that is done. Lets start digging out the iron ore, silver and gold and other precious minerals in the regions!!! Once that is done we have nearly fully exploited our resources and can start investing in other sectors such as manufacturing and have east africa rely on us for their goods. We should also invest into the technology sector and bring out the best and brightest in our state so we can export our goods locally and overseas. We need to turn Bosaso into a financial market or a free trade zone for traders around the world similar to singapore. We need to turn our coastal towns into resorts for a tourism industry. We need Strong investment in education sector to make sure all our youth are literate and educated once someone can read they have potential to do something. We need to provide health-care to all our citizens because a unhealthy people cannot think of doing something untill their health is fixed first plus their usefulness will not last long because they will die early before 50. We need to invest into an agriculture sector and make this an important priority, how far we need to take it is up to us but I say invest into it so we can feed ourselves, their no point competiting with the likes of the south who are truly blessed in that regard. We need to also garner in other foreign and domestic investment into the region especially in the fishery sector and service industries this will create an abudant workforce. If we can achieve the above we will have a very good life. A healthy and literate people who are employed have money to spend therefore the investments overseas will be rolling into state because they can make money and this will trickle down to us through more people being employed. We will have skylines that rival the world then We need to develop a strong military apparatus so noone can ever threaten Puntland.

Gaacur, Oh stop the hate you know full well the TFG knows and signed that Puntland can develop it's own resources!!! Offshore oil I can't wait for that off-shore project to kick-start. 20 billion barrells of oil on-shore plus double that off-shore. If we add all together what Puntland is potentially working with I wouldn't be suprised of figures around 50 billion barrells onshore and offshore combined. We have indian ocean-red-sea potential and the longest coast-line of any somali region this will be put to good use. There potential to be a gold exporter also not to mention diamonds, silver, iron and gas. Gas usually comes where-ever oil is!!!

I like the above shot. I like the speaker phone there. Just get rid of those chairs its horrible A real parliament Up and Close the seating The Public Gallery at the top left and right corners The Speaker should get the biggest seat. The middle bench is where the president and opposition sit. Then the two front-benches are for govt and opposition minister and the rest of the seating for the MPS!!! The furniture is critical

I didnt read anything of that but I looked at the pictures. The parliament looks good except the furniture even my lounge room has better equipment. Come on guys its parliament not lounge room haka muuqato

Its just bone-shattering the way he speaks, I can see why galia is mad I dont blame him. Farole speaks with confidence yet with strong words but in a professional way with intelligence mixed in that the public can relate to. He is way better speaker then sharif and silanyo and I think you guys gotta admit that

That was another powerful speech. All I can do is what the reporter did and shake the man's hand

Farole said it perfectly "the south needs humanitarian assistance where-as puntland needs infrastructure assistance"

Galia is going to go crazy with this and seeing farole

Galia stop it sxb your hatred is now making you make up news When you come to Bosaso I will pick u up and take you straight away to biyokulule saunas to get this hate out of your system

As you may all be aware Liban Muse Boqor said that farole negiotated new license deals with the oil companies, you can listen here at the 9:16 till 9:56 mark http://allidamaale.com/Shiidaalka-Puntland.htm As you can hear Libaan say he said that Puntland negiotated exploration license deals of 3 years with the oil companies and a optional 1 year extension. He also said if oil is found then the deal changes to a 20 year production agreement. He also mentioned that when oi is in production mode Puntland will get 10% royalty fee plus 50% of the oil share. Thats 60% for Puntland 40% for the oil companies. The oil companies also split that 40% up with 60% of it going to Africa Oil who farmed in with range resources and provided the capital required, 20% going to red-emperor who is doing the digging and providing the infrastructure and the other 20% with range resources who took the gamble on Puntland!!! The Puntland Story Will follow the same Path as Yemen!!! 13 August 1980 - Ian Maycock (Hunt Oil) discusses possibility of old graben system in North Yemen with Moujib Al-Malazi. • 15 October 1980 Moujib Al-Malazi confirms evidence of thick sedimentary basin in Marib area of North Yemen. • 4 September 1981 - formal signing of PSA in Sana’a North Yemen. • 16 January 1982 – PSA approved by Parliament. • 13 October 1982 - surface geology starts - Ian Maycock, Mike Morton, Asker Ali Hussein Al Thahiri, Gerhard Martin. • July 1983 - 1,845 line kilometres of seismic acquisition completed and interpreted by the end of the year. • 29 February 1984, Korean Group - Yukong, Pedco (South Korean National Oil Company) farm in for 20%. • 20 March 1984 - first well - Alif-1 declared commercial discovery. Hydrocarbon column of 457 metres (1,500 feet) - TD 13,270 ft. in Basement. • Tested 2 zones 7,800 bopd & gas at 55 MCF/D. • 21 December 1985 - Exxon acquires 50% interest for US$500 million - and finances pipeline. • 9 December 1987 - 171 wells drilled - 11 new fields discovered, 423 km pipeline completed & commissioned. It took 7 years for yemen to go from nothing to 171 wells drilled and 423km piple-line completed!!!! As you can see guys it doesn't take that long to become an oil producing nation and with puntland favor is the mere fact the population is not that large its only 3 million so the funds will trickle down to the average abdi rather then nigeria where its not even comparable population wise!!! Finally I would like to thank Liban Muse for showing transparency regarding this serious national asset. So what you guys think? you think 3-4 year exploration license is good and if oil is found a 20 year license? what about the oil sharing do you support the 60-40 method or you think Puntland is getting ripped off? What you think about how fast Puntland can become an oil producing nation taking into context how fast yemen became one?

Atirisho;773215 wrote: Dr_Osman Thanks for this thread. I am not particularly well versed about Somalia and what is taking place there but to see threads like this fills my heart with joy. Puntland seems to be progressing in rather fast rate, which I am extremely happy about. Hopefully the rest of Somalia will go back to its glories days and we put this dark period in our history behind us. I wasn't real well versed in Puntland either 2 years ago, but when I saw the amount of negative heat it recieves I automatically remembered America and how it's always blasted. So I started to research more and found out the real reason why people hate the state because they fear it will progress further then their own people. This hate can be seen where-ever somalis are inside be it donor/university studies doing reports or all the way up to the federal government!!! Just be very weary of what u read online I automatically used to assume if anything that is non-somali based says something it is true, but U learn with time that is not the case at all because even non-somali organisations out there source their information from other somalis who may harbor hate against other somalis and that automatically means there is conflict of interest and destroys their credibility. Just know that the state is progressing really well and oil is being dug as we speak. This will be followed by other projects such as gas, coal, silver, iron ore and other minerals to kick-start after the oil is done.U know that 80% of the world is water? so you'd know that most oil is always under water but lets just keep that to ourselves for now!!! After our on-shore oil is completed were going for our offshore oil. I just love the state nothing can ever change that

Were not copying. Neighborhood watch is system implemented through-out the world. It is needed in Bosaso. The public needs to work with the government in order to maintain the security. Neighborhood watch is one key initiative where people can report anything suspicious in their neighborhood to the appropriate authority in their own settlement, this can then be funnelled down to the Bosaso district government who in-turn can utlize the police force in capturing culprits who are trying to do disturb the peace of the city!!!

Puntland's open door policy is over guys, you won't be able to sneak in and cause trouble. The city is under watchful eyes at xafaad level all the way to the government level. Just give up and throw in the towel and sit by on the sideline and watch with horror while the region progresses

Neighborhood Watch System for all Bosaso it's not bad idea. 16 Neighborhood watch community centers who will count each and every single house and its occupants. Will keep track of who's new in their area and report it to their neighborhood watch community who will in-turn inform the Bosaso District Council. I think it can work real well!!!