I suggest hargeisa helps out their irir brothers, we tried our best maybe if u can contribute something there, that will be miracle but I doubt they can since they both dont have a history of doing much for the nation except destruction and division. U guys are like inferior to us, do u see us needing u to join puntland? but u need ssc because of that inferior complex. This is repeated throughout somalia for example abudwaq leaves central regions and central regions cant form a govt, baidoa cant form a govt without Jubaland. Its darod inferiority complex but we never need u guys, we are basically saying to you guys war naga taga oo dhulkeena noo daaya anagu idin ma bahnee

I think that pic says it all, puntland looks down on somaliland not up to it. We learn from jigjigga and its always going to be like that.

Talaabo puntland aint from the south, its from the east. So nice try, there isnt one sahal oday in there, jubaland learns from puntland and puntland learns from jigjiga thats our cycle. We dont need to learn anything from hargeisa adeer, we created this frickin nation, what does PL or JL need to learn from somaliland we cant learn from jigjiga? how to create a mamul for a tribe? sxb you guys built hargeisa, we built 4 major cities just for your one jigjiga,garowe,galkayo,bosaso plus kismayo our second home is rising. Talaabo don't expect that sahal will learn from you, u learn from us and copy us in everything like oil, claiming arab descent, etc,etc

I urge the 300k terrorists do not lend support to these sick freaks calling themselves the godfathers of the HAG. Their is no where these guys were crowned, their is no way these guys have a historical lineage to claim such propensity. What your dealing with is XAAD a former barber in siyad time turned oday and diriye residing in muse boqor home. Alot of these guys are not even guinuine HAG elders but simple qabqablayashi with a kofi cas this time. I urge the 300k terrorists to wake up these guys only seek you when they are in trouble, they are being surrounded by SAHAL forces and crying out their last call IRIROW. I urge the 300k to remember what irirism has done to our nation, the genocides, the rapes, the looting, the lack of government for 20 years I hope they don't repeat the same mistake thinking it is some sort of solution because it isn't, it will lead to a stalemate all over again. I urge the 300k terrorists to remove these HAG elders immediately from hargeisa and send them packing home telling them their on their own. Thats a wise policy but discussing anything with them lead to nothing. For god sakes they flip flopped on the airspace should give u indications they aren't serious at all. I warn the HAGS time is up the nation is fed up with your incompetent leaders constantly holding a nation back, why dont u guys just step back from politics because your no good at it, you do more damage then any good. A good example is the genocidal so called DR hirabe a member of the clan bigot organisation HAG. He even held a number of conferences in sweden among beesha and flat out attacked clans while speaking. I am suprised why the 300k terrorists even entertain these losers from mogadishu, i seriously don't understand, what will it benefit them, absolutely nothing. If u cant see they are only there for their self interests then your blind, they are trying to use to stop the sahal onslaught that is happening with foul ministers being impeached like farah abdulqaddir, minister of interior and the president on the bench for slaughtering. I call upon the 300k terrorists to cease all communication with these nutcases for your own good because if you get involved, hargeisa will be on the line.

Dr.Ali.A.Hirabe Hirabe_a@hotmail.com

Ciidan Somaliland without recognition doesn't bother me, as long as it stays like that. Comprehende

Noone is sharing half with a tribe 6 times smaller then one clan in the east. Besides Somalia in the future is going to be full democracy, if you can win the votes to lead go right ahead but there might only be an informal 4.5 sharing at a ministerial level. The parliament will be based on 96 or so districts of Somalia. People will vote and decide on who they wish to be their leader and we all must respect the ballot box. If mogadishu and hargeisa rich merchant class as you put it have the funds to fund a party and win somali people hearts and minds, I couldn't object. But as for presidency and mps are concerned they are set, their is no 4.5 after 2016 it was given a set time period to continue now only to complete the federal objectives. As for somaliland recognition yelling for it won't change anything, if somaliland doesnt like that, it can remain isolated. Infact port,air, fund sanctions could follow, just telling saudi arabia to stop trading livestock is enough to cripple somaliland. There isn't any external pressure on the SFG to recognise somaliland, their alot of internal pressure to make sure it doesnt recognize it. They have no leverage, the majority of somalis do not want a divided country, the minority wont decide the majority do. Infact I prefer an isolated somaliland so I can keep developing further.

Power will remain with puntland anything else is unacceptable..comprende

No increase of power will be given to hargeisa. They will be simply offered autonomy, if they refuse they can stay in their isolation for all we care, if aint affecting us.

These boys make me proud, their will be winners

Xunjuf you got the DR famous karbash, With love from Puntland

Xunjuf has simply been reduced to courtesy calls and taking photos and sending them back to somaliland and saying aqoonsi is coming, thats you xunjuf thats you adeer. Nimanka ya naga gabto oo runta uu sheego, the people in somaliland actually take your ministers seriously, but I now know you xunjuf have become enlightened and will head home and slam these fake ministers and govt. Its turned to terrorism today somaliland the 300k enclave because they simply dont have the capacity to handle shabab in somaliland and pay them on 6 monthly basis to stay away. Come on xunjuf lets battle again

See Xaji, I told you. Your minister is simply taking pictures to send back to you to act like his important at TANA. lol When will the Xunjuf wake up and see his whole leadership is a comic, they are there just to lie to you take photos and come back and tell you something else. God I feel sorry for somaliland, it is getting really desperate there, I wish to see more isolation put on the 300k terrorist enclave and to suck the life out of them, they shouldn't even be sitting there but be remain isolated in hargeisa. Thats the policy I like, hell with the turkey talk, its opened doors for somaliland, when we didnt have too.

Thats it Xunjuf your going to get that famous DR karbash. SL was humilitated at tana conference as GAAS took the podium and was considered more important.

Xaaji Puntland has 4 type of occuation. Fishery in Coastal Bari, Nomads in Karkaar, Nugal,Mudug, Warder. Plus farmers in Jubbas.Yes we do have our dance and traditions, it's explained there

Below is Puntland's tradition, culture, dance, and folkore. Enjoy and learn about Puntland

Tilmamook I know ports need to remain competitive and unless a disaster happens where closer ports taxes are just to expensive due to taxation or slow delivery then I can understand why it may be cheaper to go to far-away ports, the customer will make a saving be it on time or taxation But if the ports remain equally competitive on the taxation and customer service front there is no question that a closer port will be chosen due to less transport costs. Put it this way an infrastructure capacity can be changed, u can seek investment for that but there is no way changing a location to bring down cheaper transport cost. So I can see good opportunity for Bosaso, I don't see them for Berbera at all unless a major disaster happens at bosaso where taxation rise to the point its cheaper to go to berbera or customer services takes to long that time wise its better to go berbera. Bosaso is doing fine on the customer sergice side be it taxation, fast service, it's only lacking in the infrastructure side and like I said that is not an automatic death since investments can be sought to change that, where-as what sort of investment can be sought to change a bad location? super fast rail worth billions of dllars? why would u do that when u can get your needs served alraedy at sufficient port at bosaso or jabuti will be a big question?

Nothing still beats this in Somalia I hope when Puntland gets it, it follows the same standard as that

It looks quite cheap no offence, its not sealed off. The quality looks nothing like the one in mogadishu which looks high quality workmanship and product.

that looks staged, you can tell by how he was looking around thinking how to conceal something. Somaliland will never separate it will mean a direct war with Puntland over sool and sanaag and you think the world will want that to happen. Dreams are wonderful, but for god sakes it's get boring now when u hear claims that reject simple logic.

Calm down Xunjuf I am assessing based on predictions of what will be the fastest port and I think Bosaso and Kismayo will take over. Berbera will remain how it is now servicing hargeisa and jigjiga and thats it and thats why it is dead always and will be due it's unfortunate strategical positioning to far from other somalia due to bosaso being there and losing ethiopia to djibouti which is an international port. Even the parts of the somali zone of ethiopia somaliland does have that is even shared with Puntland like the warder area and so forth, the galdogob custom at there for nothing bruv.

Xaji, Berbera future looks bleak my friend, it strategically in the wrong place. It is a stone throw away from an international style port Djibouti with big ticket clientele of Ethiopia, there is no way Ethiopia will shift for Berbera over Djibouti unless something of a disaster happens in Djibouti, I can't foresee it. Berbera has the right infrastructure already, it doesn't need any improvement on this front but it's location kills it. Ethiopia is gone to Djibouti and Somalia Central-East and even Bur'oa use Bosaso. As for Kismayo it will be the leading port of the south, I can't see how mogadishu can hold onto that if it's port is privatized it will be locked down to turks and foreigners, the only thing I can forsee is mogadishu getting high tax returns from these foreigners but that will also kill the locals since the port will be reserved to the big paying foreigners before somalis which will mean due to unavailability they will need to shift to the closest next deep-sea port which is kismayo. Besides Even if that scenario doesn't work out for Kismayo it already has the kenya and somalia trade route on the road, the customs of that alone will be wicked since all the south biggest trade is with kenya. Then add the fact it will service gedo,the two jubbas and nfd and most likely SW3 if mogadishu port turns out how I said. Central is basically gone half to puntland anyways.

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I thought I was raised this issue up because it is serious discussion that needs to be had, which area in Somalia will be the busiest port in the future? some of the things that matter in port activity include infrastructure capability and strategical location. As far as Mogadishu port is concerned it has both the strategical and infrastructure capability to be very fast port, it is a deep sea port plus it's located in an area that is reachable by many states without being a huge transport cost issue. But the thing that may kill mogadishu port will be the fact it will be privatized in the future and managed by turks who most likely will limit any domestic use of it and keep it strictly for big ticket item foreign users. If that scenario turns out to be true the only winner can be Kismayo in the south. Kismayo has a deep sea port and also is within reach of many states without being a costly burden transport wise. If the above scenario turns out to be true, that means Kismayo may end up potentially servicing the south starting from mogadishu to SW3 to jubaland and NFD. If the above scenario doesn't turn out to be true, kismayo will need to be competitive on the taxation front in order out-beat mogadishu. As for the other ports such as Bosaso and Berbera. If we look at Bosaso it has one bonus it's strategical location but it also has a negative it infrastructure capacity. So it's lower tax and fast service must be a key to keep it viable because transport wise it will always win on that front since it is closer to reach bosaso from beletwayn or warder then to berbera which means less transport cost. But Bosaso key will really need to be start looking into infrastructure capacity if it can get this, it will have ticked both the conditions of strategical positioning and infrastructure. Berbera port is also a deepsea port with good infrastructure in it's favor but it's downfall is strategical location, it's next to jabuti which is international style port servicing non somali parts of ethiopia while berbera also services ethiopia but it's mainly the somali zone like jigjiga and hargeisa areas due to its location and cheaper transport cost. Infact it's not even all the somali zone, most of the warder area go through mudug onto bosaso. I can't honestly envision Berbera changing because it already has the infrastructure but it's positioning kills it, it can't service most of other somalia states because of higher transport costs who would go to Bosaso which is closer and at the same time where their lifeline is ethiopia the most productive parts the non somali zones are jabuti clientele. Even within the somali zone it is still shared with Puntland, especially the areas that count like warder which have more livestocks and is more feasible for them to go thru Bosaso. As for Bossaso prediction if the infrastructure caoacity is changed, it will quadruple the traffic happening since the port already has the strategical positioning being close to most livestock areas such as warder,sool,sanaag,mudug,hiran,nugal,galgadud,bari. As for mogadishu I envision that it will be foreign owned in the future and most somali businesses will be basically out-priced out by foreign clientele using the port and they will most likely change to Kismayo. Puntland and Jubbaland have good bright future ahead of them if everything pans out how I said. Even if it doesn't Kismayo jubaland and nfd areas still would be a good meal ticket and the current arrangement if it stays in place in Bosaso

Mahiigan it is sad the centralist have no serious arguments for their causes, yet they support it. Even the Xaaji best argument is always no "clan". But how else will districts,cities,states form councils and govts if it isn't tribe? Do we just say ok lets implement a 4.5 system in garowe and bring somali participants across the country even though those tribes don't live there in substantial numbers? This idea of clan is misunderstood by too many somalis. If somalis wish to unite based on clan, considering what has happened in the civil war and if it produces good results like progress, what makes this bad? or is it better its mixed clan and constant fighting and no progress? My understanding of clan is that a clan cannot become a nation, it can't nationalize itself because that would need different tribes since the nation is not just yours but shared with many different tribes. But if a tribe wants to form a regional govt in the regions through states based on tribe, I can't see a problem due to historical context of what somalia has suffered and also the fact the regions are tribal whether we like it or not. The shared areas are very minimal when u look at the big picture of the nation. So this no to tribe nonsense I think is a ignorant argument of the person making it. No to tribal nation I can understand but no to a tribal regional govt, I will never get my head around. I think Dr kennedy also made good points about we never know maybe in 100 years when all our decendants see peace and development and forget about the civil war and talk about it in the history book, they may decide to come back together under a central govt, maybe their will be geopolitical events then that will put the centralism question on the table as more favourable for somalis. You never know and I think our decendants can make that decision for themselves because socieities will always need to adapt and change to the time period and events around them and Somalia isn't on some island where it aint affected by this, it sure is. But what we can speak on is our time period, what our nation is coming from, considering our geo political neighbours position and the wider international community with its strong focus on "radical islam" it is highly unlikely that an islamic state is feasible externally. Infact internally it's alot less feasible too when you see how the islamic factions split across clan lines proving my point how clan remains the strongest focal point. I believe today what we are facing and taking into consideration external geo politics,our history, our people, the massive war we had, the reconcilation among people being possible(since ppl still travel throughout the regions), and the failed conferences of the past(due to mistrust long time to develop) we must take federalism to salvage till war ravaged nation only an absolute nut would deny this mohamed aluso and his likes.