I stopped reading after the first paragraph; some people are very delusional these days, so why should i bother to read what they think is happening in their fantasy world.

MoD 'refusing to release file on massacre of Kenyans' The Ministry of Defence has refused to release documents which may resolve the 53-year-old mystery of a massacre involving British-led troops, it is claimed today. Dr David Anderson, the Oxford historian whose researches uncovered new evidence linking two British officers to the murder of 22 Kenyans in the spring of 1953, says the incident was "the tip of the iceberg" in a bloody campaign that Britain should be ashamed of. The Chuka massacre is the subject of BBC Radio 4's Document programme tonight. At the height of the war against Mau Mau insurgents in Kenya, Somali members of the 5th Bn King's African Rifles killed 20 men in the Chuka region of the country. Two men acting as guides, who were suspected of being Mau Mau themselves, were also killed. But the 20 men were not Mau Mau. They were members of the Home Guard, a loyalist militia recruited to fight an increasingly powerful and audacious guerrilla enemy. In an atmosphere of atrocity and reprisal, the matter was swept under the carpet, but tacitly admitted by the MoD, which agreed to pay blood money to the families of the murdered men. Nobody ever stood trial for the crimes. New evidence uncovered by a team of academics led by Dr Anderson, of St Cross College, Oxford, shows that two British junior officers were with the Somalis at the time of the massacre. Both were subordinates of Acting Major Gerald Griffiths, who was convicted later of the killing of an African guide, offences which took place shortly before the Chuka massacre. One of the two Britons is believed to be dead, but the second is still living in this country. The crucial evidence in the case, the only material not recorded in Kenyan National Archives documents that detail the compensation hearing held after the massacre, is in the form of statements made by three local women eyewitnesses and 10 of the Somali soldiers. Those statements form part of a file obtained by Dr Anderson's team under the Freedom of Information Act, but the MoD has still refused to release it. The only eyewitnesses to the period of the massacre traced by Dr Anderson or the BBC were two men, Celestino Mbare, now 84, and Jediel Nyaga, 80. Mr Mbare told the programme how he had gone along to identify the dead, 20 of whom were from his own village. Mr Nyaga told the BBC: "They were innocent people who went to help soldiers and soldiers shot them." In an interview with The Daily Telegraph, Dr Anderson said: "This was a remarkably brutal campaign and one of which we should be ashamed. "I just don't understand why we don't have the courage to say, 'We made a mistake' and face up to it." The MoD told one of Dr Anderson's researchers that it did not want to release the missing 11 pages of testimony because it was too graphic and upsetting. The remaining British officer is believed to have pressed the MoD not to release details of the case. The BBC producers said they were awaiting the MoD's response to a Freedom of Information Act request for the missing pages. They had also asked for a detailed reason why the pages had not been released so far. ================================================ Does anyone has any knowledge about this incident?

There is no doubt that what Zidane did was justified, insulting one’s mama is inexcusable. Zidane is keeping his head high in the air, like a man. He said he doesn’t regret what he did, because if he wouldn’t then the Italian player would have thought he was right. The Italian player is still lying and denies everything he has been accused of.

It is sad that today in the 21st century, the word terrorist have spread around the world and marked each and every Muslim person alive, from the war on terror to the soccer field, that word is used to angry almost every person that has a Muslim or Arab heritage. It is almost as equal as the word “N†now days, does anyone feel this weight Zidane said Materazzi insulted his mother and sister and didn’t say what exactly the Italian player had said, but the bbc called in a “deaf lip reader to read Materazzi's words phonetically to an Italian translator. She deciphered the insult as being "you're the son of a terrorist wh*re" Materazzi is still lying and saying he didn’t say anything about Zidane’s mother or sister, and he didn’t call him a terrorist. The man should stop lying and apologies to Zidane. But no like the Italian he is, he is flooding with this lies To be honest I am most likely upset about how the bush administration was able to turn the world against as Muslims. And label as all terrorist, by highlighting the world Islam and Muslim every time there is a violent act, they have made no effort whatsoever to separate the words Islam and Muslim from the terrorist groups. We are just witnessing the formation of a new word that is shaping itself right in front of our eyes What do you guys think about this word “Terrorist?†And how nowadays it is used to describe and offend muslims and islam?

Well there are some hideous news coming out of Somalia, the courts are described in a horrible image, the same one that is used against the Taliban. What is true what isn’t? =============================================== Somali Islamist militiamen raid wedding, beat woman 20 gunmen enforcing Sharia law confiscate instruments from band playing 'satanic' music Posted: July 8, 2006 6:50 p.m. Eastern © 2006 WorldNetDaily.com Days after a leading Somali cleric declared the death penalty for Muslims who failed to pray five times a day, militiamen loyal to the Islamic court cracked down on band music by raiding a wedding party in Mogadishu, confiscating instruments and beating a woman. Twenty heavily armed men fired shots in the air and took musical instruments from the band performing in a home in Somalia's capital city yesterday. According to the Brisbane Courier-Mail, the band entertaining guests at the wedding party was told by the gunmen it was performing "satanic" music contrary to the Quran. Mogadishu was taken over in June by militia - now called the Conservative Council of Islamic Courts - that routed a U.S.-backed alliance of warlords after four months of fighting. The U.S. wanted to stem what officials call "creeping Talibanization" of Somalia by the courts and harboring of terrorists, including al-Qaida members. "We were ordered to stop the music and empty the house which we all complied with immediately," said Hayir Ali Roble, one of the musicians performing at the party. "We followed their orders and kept our musical instruments in a room but they forcefully entered the house and took the instruments, and in the process broke some of them." Roble said he did not know why the militiamen struck one of the women at the party with sticks. The Islamic court denied that a woman was beaten. Khadijo Weheliye, who organized the wedding party for her son, said she had sought and received permission from the Islamic court to have music at the celebration. "We didn't know what their aim was because we had asked the Islamic court for permission to hold the party," she said. "They gave us a permission letter this morning, but attacked our home in the afternoon." The raid was confirmed by the Islamic courts. "We have told them to stop evil acts that derail the practice of Sharia law and it is our duty to enforce the ban on band music," said Ali Salad, the head of Ridwan Islamic courts in Weheliye's neighborhood. "We confiscated musical instruments that are satanic simply because we have previously told party organizers not to bring bands with music at the party." On Tuesday, militiamen fired on a crowd protesting a ban on watching television, killing two who were viewing the World Cup at a local movie theater. Earlier this week, WorldNetDaily reported that Muslims who fail to pray five times daily will be sentenced to death under the rule of Islamic clerics who have taken over the Somali capital Mogadishu. "He who does not perform prayers will be considered as infidel, and Sharia law orders that that person be killed," said Sheikh Abdalla Ali, a founder and high-ranking official in the Supreme Islamic Council of Somalia. Today, 11 teens were publicly given 40 lashes each after confessing to "un-Islamic behavior," including smoking marijuana, pretending to be Islamic militia in order to extort the public, violence and looting. "This is the start of a new era and we will continue to carry out the Sharia ... . We do not have any reverse gear," said Sheikh Mohamoud Jiliale, an official serving on the tribunal. "It is our responsibility to make sure Sharia laws are respected."

I won’t have noticed this billboard to be honest; most of the black women today are trying to be as white as they could possibly be. But the way it is set-up tells a whole different story if you really think about it. Just look at the way the white woman is hold the black woman and the kinky hair, all black cloths, the black woman, is dark black. Basically it is good vs. evil and ugly vs. beautiful so on so forth. But not something to get made about at all, unless you think white people are superior. I will guarantee you that, there won’t have been all this commotion if it was the black woman clenching the white woman's jaw.

America is full of propaganda, we could just imagine where Osama could be, and maybe he is in Hawaii working for America, or maybe dead already. We can never trust what the American media tells us, it is a tool the CIA and the American government use when they want things to go their way or created propaganda against others. Lool but this is too funny, I wonder how the American government is going to respond.

http://www.atlapedia.com/online/maps/political/Nth_Africa_E.htm Djibouti is located in North East Africa. It is bound by Eritrea to the northwest, Ethiopia to the west and south, Somalia to the southeast and the Gulf of Aden to the northeast and east.... Eritrea is located in North East Africa and includes the Dahlak Archipelago and other islands along the Red Sea coast. It is bound by Sudan to the west, Ethiopia to the south, Djibouti to the southeast and the Red Sea to the north and northeast.... Ethiopia is a landlocked country located in the horn of North East Africa. It is bound by Sudan to the west and northwest, Kenya to the south, Somalia to the east and southeast, Djibouti to the east and the Eritrea to the northeast.... Somalia is located on the Horn of Africa in East Africa. It is bound by Djibouti to the northwest, Ethiopia to the west, Kenya to the southwest, the Indian Ocean to the east and the Gulf of Aden to the north.... Sorry sxb, but somalia is still located in east africa, along with kenya.

The weird part about the video is that at first they will show Somali fighters fighting, and there isn’t a single so called Arab at sight, and they all the sudden the night vision comes on, with some men sitting around rather than fighting, weren’t they suppose to be out in the streets of Mogadishu fighting as the video claims. Then they will once again show the Somali men fighting, still no Arab at sight. They could shove this tape up where the sun doesn’t shine. This propaganda machine is going too far.

“So it goes in the failed state in northern Africa that is beginning to look like Afghanistan under the Taliban.†Lol Somalia is not located in northern Africa, but eastern Africa. Poor soul needs some help with his geography the fake video and then thess, walahi this americans are after us.

I am a poet in trainee and I am in dire need of comments so I could improve my poetry. Left alone in this shattered world Days came and gone Yet nothing changed Men with evil deeds Still rule the world Children left in the cold Shiver with a broken heart Kept calm with hidden fear The brought nothing but endless tears Souls in search of a lost destiny Listened to the rhythm of the wind When the wise men disappeared one by one So did their ancient legacy But today the sun will set Tomorrow the sun will rise New heroes will be born To struggle for a cause But today, today I have to put the puzzles together To bring back what was left of this beautiful country For tomorrow will be borrowed from the past.

you truly believe this, what kind of fools will think that they can behead the PM? A 16 year old somali kid is part of it, so they claim

Oops i must have been one of those viewers, such guilty. Well, you can't blame me there is no cable. :mad: you right about that one castro, 50 million

Controlling the masses is not such a novel idea invented by the west. It happens everywhere. The west has a population that has more freedoms than many other societies. To control a free society such as Canada, UK or the US, the rulers must jump through many hoops to gain effective control. They would control education, awareness and of course the media. They would shape the opinions of the populace through gradual indoctrination. If countries of the west were dictatorships, no dog and pony show would be presented to invade any country. It would just be invaded and the public told later. Their agenda is successful, they have controlled what the people have to know, by controlling their surroundings and the information they receive from the start. ask any american or candian they have no idea what is going on in somalia and the american involvement. that such tells as they will know only what is put forth to them. Finally, the degree to which the public is actively involved and forces the rulers to listen is the degree with which foreign (or domestic) agression is limited. It's an inverse relationship. A populace more concerned with who wins "American Idol" than why Iraq is the mess that it is, is a well indoctrinated and preferred populace. Tell me about that, these people are so easily distracted all those celebrities out there, they can't help it but go crazy over them. How about that American Idol season finale, eh? I think the guy that won was a Jew

This is what is so startling about the west, they are able to control their citizens anytime they want, and the media is such a powerful tool to use against the masses. Thanks Castro, for clearly-up the fog. looks like Canada learned how to play the same game as America.

Yeah i remember that guy too; they used his frustration and patriotism to fuel the war on terror, he no longer trust bush, but there is nothing he could do about it. The first bomb they dropped was right before sunrise killing innocent people and seeing the bodies in the hospital (I think it was in a garage) where they were assembled on top of each other, it was sickening to watch. 90% of them were innocent civilians. What does America has to say about the killing of innocent people? nothing other than that they went into iraq to liberate them and some people we die while doing so. The most useful part about the video while I was watching was that if America doesn’t get the oil they need then it will not be able to support their army, it will be feeble, since most of their military equipments runs on oil.

There aren't even treated as POW, i heard that they are also holding women as captives. Children or elderly, women or men they simply don't care. They are after Islam and the Muslims, the concentration camps are only made for Muslims not terrorist. America is showing its true colors and no one dares to question it. :mad:

The 'IoS' reveals today that more than 60 of the detainees of the US camp were under 18 at the time of their capture, some as young as 14 By Severin Carrell Published: 28 May 2006 The notorious US detention camp in Guantanamo Bay has been hit by fresh allegations of human rights abuses, with claims that dozens of children were sent there - some as young as 14 years old. Lawyers in London estimate that more than 60 detainees held at the terrorists' prison camp were boys under 18 when they were captured. They include at least 10 detainees still held at the US base in Cuba who were 14 or 15 when they were seized - including child soldiers who were held in solitary confinement, repeatedly interrogated and allegedly tortured. The disclosures threaten to plunge the Bush administration into a fresh row with Britain, its closest ally in the war on terror, only days after the Attorney General, Lord Goldsmith, repeated his demands for the closure of the detention facility. It was, he said, a "symbol of injustice". Whitehall sources said the new allegations, from the London-based legal rights group Reprieve, directly contradicted the Bush administration's assurances to the UK that no juveniles had been held there. "We would take a very, very dim view if it transpires that there were actually minors there," said an official. One child prisoner, Mohamed el Gharani, is accused of involvement in a 1998 al-Qa'ida plot in London led by the alleged al-Qa'ida leader in Europe, Abu Qatada. But he was 12 years old at the time and living with his parents in Saudi Arabia. After being arrested in Karachi in October 2001, aged 14, he has spent several years in solitary confinement as an alleged al-Qa'ida-trained fighter. One Canadian-born boy, Omar Khadr, was 15 when arrested in 2002 and has also been kept in solitary confinement. The son of a known al-Qa'ida commander, he is accused of killing a US soldier with a grenade in July 2002 and was placed top of the Bush administration's list of detainees facing prosecution. "It would surely be really quite ****** to allow the world to think you have teenagers in orange jumpsuits and shackles, spending 23 hours a day locked up in a cage," a source added. "If it's true that young people have been held there, their cases should be dealt with as a priority." British officials last night told the IoS that the UK had been assured that any juveniles would be held in a special facility for child detainees at Guantanamo called Camp Iguana. But the US admits only three inmates were ever treated as children - three young Afghans, one aged 13, who were released in 2004 after a furore over their detention. The row will again focus attention on the Bush administration's repeated claims that normal rules of war and human rights conventions do not apply to "enemy combatants" who were al-Qa'ida or Taliban fighters and supporters. The US insists these fighters did not have the same legal status as soldiers in uniform. Clive Stafford Smith, a legal director of Reprieve and lawyer for a number of detainees, said it broke every widely accepted legal convention on human rights to put children in the same prison as adults - including US law. "There is nothing wrong with trying minors for crimes, if they have committed crimes. The problem is when you either hold minors without trial in shocking conditions, or try them before a military commission that, in the words of a prosecutor who refused to take part, is rigged," he said. "Even if these kids were involved in fighting - and Omar is the only one who the military pretends was - then there is a UN convention against the use of child soldiers. There is a general recognition in the civilised world that children should be treated differently from adults." Because the detainees have been held in Cuba for four years, all the teenagers are now thought to have reached their 18th birthdays in Guantanamo Bay and some have since been released. The latest figures emerged after the Department of Defense (DoD) in Washington was forced to release the first ever list of Guantanamo detainees earlier this month. Although lawyers say it is riddled with errors - getting numerous names and dates of birth wrong - they were able to confirm that 17 detainees on the list were under 18 when taken to the camp, and another seven were probably juveniles. In addition, said Mr Stafford Smith, they had credible evidence from other detainees, lawyers and the International Red Cross that another 37 inmates were under 18 when they were seized. One detainee, an al-Jazeera journalist called Sami el Hajj, has identified 36 juveniles in Guantanamo. A senior Pentagon spokesman, Lt Commander Jeffrey Gordon, insisted that no one now being held at Guantanamo was a juvenile and said the DoD also rejected arguments that normal criminal law was relevant to the Guantanamo detainees. "There is no international standard concerning the age of an individual who engages in combat operations... Age is not a determining factor in detention. [of those] engaged in armed conflict against our forces or in support to those fighting against us." The notorious US detention camp in Guantanamo Bay has been hit by fresh allegations of human rights abuses, with claims that dozens of children were sent there - some as young as 14 years old. Lawyers in London estimate that more than 60 detainees held at the terrorists' prison camp were boys under 18 when they were captured. They include at least 10 detainees still held at the US base in Cuba who were 14 or 15 when they were seized - including child soldiers who were held in solitary confinement, repeatedly interrogated and allegedly tortured. The disclosures threaten to plunge the Bush administration into a fresh row with Britain, its closest ally in the war on terror, only days after the Attorney General, Lord Goldsmith, repeated his demands for the closure of the detention facility. It was, he said, a "symbol of injustice". Whitehall sources said the new allegations, from the London-based legal rights group Reprieve, directly contradicted the Bush administration's assurances to the UK that no juveniles had been held there. "We would take a very, very dim view if it transpires that there were actually minors there," said an official. One child prisoner, Mohamed el Gharani, is accused of involvement in a 1998 al-Qa'ida plot in London led by the alleged al-Qa'ida leader in Europe, Abu Qatada. But he was 12 years old at the time and living with his parents in Saudi Arabia. After being arrested in Karachi in October 2001, aged 14, he has spent several years in solitary confinement as an alleged al-Qa'ida-trained fighter. One Canadian-born boy, Omar Khadr, was 15 when arrested in 2002 and has also been kept in solitary confinement. The son of a known al-Qa'ida commander, he is accused of killing a US soldier with a grenade in July 2002 and was placed top of the Bush administration's list of detainees facing prosecution. "It would surely be really quite ****** to allow the world to think you have teenagers in orange jumpsuits and shackles, spending 23 hours a day locked up in a cage," a source added. "If it's true that young people have been held there, their cases should be dealt with as a priority." British officials last night told the IoS that the UK had been assured that any juveniles would be held in a special facility for child detainees at Guantanamo called Camp Iguana. But the US admits only three inmates were ever treated as children - three young Afghans, one aged 13, who were released in 2004 after a furore over their detention. The row will again focus attention on the Bush administration's repeated claims that normal rules of war and human rights conventions do not apply to "enemy combatants" who were al-Qa'ida or Taliban fighters and supporters. The US insists these fighters did not have the same legal status as soldiers in uniform. Clive Stafford Smith, a legal director of Reprieve and lawyer for a number of detainees, said it broke every widely accepted legal convention on human rights to put children in the same prison as adults - including US law. "There is nothing wrong with trying minors for crimes, if they have committed crimes. The problem is when you either hold minors without trial in shocking conditions, or try them before a military commission that, in the words of a prosecutor who refused to take part, is rigged," he said. "Even if these kids were involved in fighting - and Omar is the only one who the military pretends was - then there is a UN convention against the use of child soldiers. There is a general recognition in the civilised world that children should be treated differently from adults." Because the detainees have been held in Cuba for four years, all the teenagers are now thought to have reached their 18th birthdays in Guantanamo Bay and some have since been released. The latest figures emerged after the Department of Defense (DoD) in Washington was forced to release the first ever list of Guantanamo detainees earlier this month. Although lawyers say it is riddled with errors - getting numerous names and dates of birth wrong - they were able to confirm that 17 detainees on the list were under 18 when taken to the camp, and another seven were probably juveniles. In addition, said Mr Stafford Smith, they had credible evidence from other detainees, lawyers and the International Red Cross that another 37 inmates were under 18 when they were seized. One detainee, an al-Jazeera journalist called Sami el Hajj, has identified 36 juveniles in Guantanamo. A senior Pentagon spokesman, Lt Commander Jeffrey Gordon, insisted that no one now being held at Guantanamo was a juvenile and said the DoD also rejected arguments that normal criminal law was relevant to the Guantanamo detainees. "There is no international standard concerning the age of an individual who engages in combat operations... Age is not a determining factor in detention. [of those] engaged in armed conflict against our forces or in support to those fighting against us."

I just finish watching it castro i couldn't agree with you more that was truly riveting The last few minutes just stroked me deeply. Who knows what happened to the poor guy who volunteered to join the army because he couldn’t support himself finically like a normal person. And that American didn’t have an exiting plan when they went into Iraq because they are planning to build 14 permanent bases in Iraq. Nevertheless that was a great documentary to watch. Thanks animal farm

The 'IoS' reveals today that more than 60 of the detainees of the US camp were under 18 at the time of their capture, some as young as 14 By Severin Carrell Published: 28 May 2006 The notorious US detention camp in Guantanamo Bay has been hit by fresh allegations of human rights abuses, with claims that dozens of children were sent there - some as young as 14 years old. Lawyers in London estimate that more than 60 detainees held at the terrorists' prison camp were boys under 18 when they were captured. They include at least 10 detainees still held at the US base in Cuba who were 14 or 15 when they were seized - including child soldiers who were held in solitary confinement, repeatedly interrogated and allegedly tortured. The disclosures threaten to plunge the Bush administration into a fresh row with Britain, its closest ally in the war on terror, only days after the Attorney General, Lord Goldsmith, repeated his demands for the closure of the detention facility. It was, he said, a "symbol of injustice". Whitehall sources said the new allegations, from the London-based legal rights group Reprieve, directly contradicted the Bush administration's assurances to the UK that no juveniles had been held there. "We would take a very, very dim view if it transpires that there were actually minors there," said an official. One child prisoner, Mohamed el Gharani, is accused of involvement in a 1998 al-Qa'ida plot in London led by the alleged al-Qa'ida leader in Europe, Abu Qatada. But he was 12 years old at the time and living with his parents in Saudi Arabia. After being arrested in Karachi in October 2001, aged 14, he has spent several years in solitary confinement as an alleged al-Qa'ida-trained fighter. One Canadian-born boy, Omar Khadr, was 15 when arrested in 2002 and has also been kept in solitary confinement. The son of a known al-Qa'ida commander, he is accused of killing a US soldier with a grenade in July 2002 and was placed top of the Bush administration's list of detainees facing prosecution. "It would surely be really quite ****** to allow the world to think you have teenagers in orange jumpsuits and shackles, spending 23 hours a day locked up in a cage," a source added. "If it's true that young people have been held there, their cases should be dealt with as a priority." British officials last night told the IoS that the UK had been assured that any juveniles would be held in a special facility for child detainees at Guantanamo called Camp Iguana. But the US admits only three inmates were ever treated as children - three young Afghans, one aged 13, who were released in 2004 after a furore over their detention. The row will again focus attention on the Bush administration's repeated claims that normal rules of war and human rights conventions do not apply to "enemy combatants" who were al-Qa'ida or Taliban fighters and supporters. The US insists these fighters did not have the same legal status as soldiers in uniform. Clive Stafford Smith, a legal director of Reprieve and lawyer for a number of detainees, said it broke every widely accepted legal convention on human rights to put children in the same prison as adults - including US law. "There is nothing wrong with trying minors for crimes, if they have committed crimes. The problem is when you either hold minors without trial in shocking conditions, or try them before a military commission that, in the words of a prosecutor who refused to take part, is rigged," he said. "Even if these kids were involved in fighting - and Omar is the only one who the military pretends was - then there is a UN convention against the use of child soldiers. There is a general recognition in the civilised world that children should be treated differently from adults." Because the detainees have been held in Cuba for four years, all the teenagers are now thought to have reached their 18th birthdays in Guantanamo Bay and some have since been released. The latest figures emerged after the Department of Defense (DoD) in Washington was forced to release the first ever list of Guantanamo detainees earlier this month. Although lawyers say it is riddled with errors - getting numerous names and dates of birth wrong - they were able to confirm that 17 detainees on the list were under 18 when taken to the camp, and another seven were probably juveniles. In addition, said Mr Stafford Smith, they had credible evidence from other detainees, lawyers and the International Red Cross that another 37 inmates were under 18 when they were seized. One detainee, an al-Jazeera journalist called Sami el Hajj, has identified 36 juveniles in Guantanamo. A senior Pentagon spokesman, Lt Commander Jeffrey Gordon, insisted that no one now being held at Guantanamo was a juvenile and said the DoD also rejected arguments that normal criminal law was relevant to the Guantanamo detainees. "There is no international standard concerning the age of an individual who engages in combat operations... Age is not a determining factor in detention. [of those] engaged in armed conflict against our forces or in support to those fighting against us." The notorious US detention camp in Guantanamo Bay has been hit by fresh allegations of human rights abuses, with claims that dozens of children were sent there - some as young as 14 years old. Lawyers in London estimate that more than 60 detainees held at the terrorists' prison camp were boys under 18 when they were captured. They include at least 10 detainees still held at the US base in Cuba who were 14 or 15 when they were seized - including child soldiers who were held in solitary confinement, repeatedly interrogated and allegedly tortured. The disclosures threaten to plunge the Bush administration into a fresh row with Britain, its closest ally in the war on terror, only days after the Attorney General, Lord Goldsmith, repeated his demands for the closure of the detention facility. It was, he said, a "symbol of injustice". Whitehall sources said the new allegations, from the London-based legal rights group Reprieve, directly contradicted the Bush administration's assurances to the UK that no juveniles had been held there. "We would take a very, very dim view if it transpires that there were actually minors there," said an official. One child prisoner, Mohamed el Gharani, is accused of involvement in a 1998 al-Qa'ida plot in London led by the alleged al-Qa'ida leader in Europe, Abu Qatada. But he was 12 years old at the time and living with his parents in Saudi Arabia. After being arrested in Karachi in October 2001, aged 14, he has spent several years in solitary confinement as an alleged al-Qa'ida-trained fighter. One Canadian-born boy, Omar Khadr, was 15 when arrested in 2002 and has also been kept in solitary confinement. The son of a known al-Qa'ida commander, he is accused of killing a US soldier with a grenade in July 2002 and was placed top of the Bush administration's list of detainees facing prosecution. "It would surely be really quite ****** to allow the world to think you have teenagers in orange jumpsuits and shackles, spending 23 hours a day locked up in a cage," a source added. "If it's true that young people have been held there, their cases should be dealt with as a priority." British officials last night told the IoS that the UK had been assured that any juveniles would be held in a special facility for child detainees at Guantanamo called Camp Iguana. But the US admits only three inmates were ever treated as children - three young Afghans, one aged 13, who were released in 2004 after a furore over their detention. The row will again focus attention on the Bush administration's repeated claims that normal rules of war and human rights conventions do not apply to "enemy combatants" who were al-Qa'ida or Taliban fighters and supporters. The US insists these fighters did not have the same legal status as soldiers in uniform. Clive Stafford Smith, a legal director of Reprieve and lawyer for a number of detainees, said it broke every widely accepted legal convention on human rights to put children in the same prison as adults - including US law. "There is nothing wrong with trying minors for crimes, if they have committed crimes. The problem is when you either hold minors without trial in shocking conditions, or try them before a military commission that, in the words of a prosecutor who refused to take part, is rigged," he said. "Even if these kids were involved in fighting - and Omar is the only one who the military pretends was - then there is a UN convention against the use of child soldiers. There is a general recognition in the civilised world that children should be treated differently from adults." Because the detainees have been held in Cuba for four years, all the teenagers are now thought to have reached their 18th birthdays in Guantanamo Bay and some have since been released. The latest figures emerged after the Department of Defense (DoD) in Washington was forced to release the first ever list of Guantanamo detainees earlier this month. Although lawyers say it is riddled with errors - getting numerous names and dates of birth wrong - they were able to confirm that 17 detainees on the list were under 18 when taken to the camp, and another seven were probably juveniles. In addition, said Mr Stafford Smith, they had credible evidence from other detainees, lawyers and the International Red Cross that another 37 inmates were under 18 when they were seized. One detainee, an al-Jazeera journalist called Sami el Hajj, has identified 36 juveniles in Guantanamo. A senior Pentagon spokesman, Lt Commander Jeffrey Gordon, insisted that no one now being held at Guantanamo was a juvenile and said the DoD also rejected arguments that normal criminal law was relevant to the Guantanamo detainees. "There is no international standard concerning the age of an individual who engages in combat operations... Age is not a determining factor in detention. [of those] engaged in armed conflict against our forces or in support to those fighting against us."

thanks animal farm , for others who want to watch why we fight could click on the link below http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1422779427989588955

I would have to agree with you, but we need to recognize that conservative or liberal, democrats or republicans, they are all Americans at the end of the day and they know how to play the game of politics. This people aren’t held responsible for what they did in Vietnam I can’t image them being held accountable for what they are doing in Afghanistan and Iraq today. The world should speak-out, the American people are too naïve to understand what there government is doing and we can't expect them to go against there own government, they truly believe that it is the best one there is.

No one wants to accept the truth that American soldiers are tortures that commit atrocities acts. That poor Iraqi witness will be taken serious ten years from now.

It was an elite fighting unit in Vietnam - small, mobile, trained to kill. Known as Tiger Force, the platoon was created by a U.S. Army engaged in a new kind of war - one defined by ambushes, booby traps, and a nearly invisible enemy. Promising victory to an anxious American public, military leaders in 1967 sent a task force - including Tiger Force - to fight the enemy in one of the most highly contested areas of South Vietnam: the Central Highlands. But the platoon's mission did not go as planned, with some soldiers breaking the rules of war. Women and children were intentionally blown up in underground bunkers. Elderly farmers were shot as they toiled in the fields. Prisoners were tortured and executed - their ears and scalps severed for souvenirs. One soldier kicked out the teeth of executed civilians for their gold fillings. Two soldiers tried to stop the killings, but their pleas were ignored by commanders. The Army launched an investigation in 1971 that lasted 41/2 years - the longest-known war-crime investigation of the Vietnam conflict. The case reached the highest levels of the Pentagon and the Nixon White House. Investigators concluded that 18 soldiers committed war crimes ranging from murder and assault to dereliction of duty. But no one was charged. Since the war ended, the American public has been fed a dose of movies fictionalizing the excesses of U.S. units in Vietnam, such as Apocalypse Now and Platoon. But in reality, most war-crime cases focused on a single event, like the My Lai massacre. The Tiger Force case is different. The atrocities took place over seven months, leaving an untold number dead - possibly several hundred civilians, former soldiers and villagers now say. One medic said he counted 120 unarmed villagers killed in one month. For decades, the case has remained buried in the archives of the government - not even known to America's most recognized historians of the war. Until now. Starting today and continuing over the next three days, The Blade will tell the platoon's troubling story. series 1) http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20031022/SRTIGERFORCE/110190168 2) http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20031022/SRTIGERFORCE/110200129 3) http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20031022/SRTIGERFORCE/110210075 4) http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20031022/SRTIGERFORCE/110220055

it'll probably become moot as an issue case; becuase he's mentally retarded (as they say) and on that basis, they're considering dropping it.