This bit of news gives the impression that people of Sool are a spineless lot than witness their women being abused without lifting a finger to protect them. Something that is fictitious due to their reaction to a less sensitive event which was the arrest of some LA teachers for suspicion of terror links, in which they went out in demonstrations despite Senior SL officials presence in the town.

This is theatrical , puntland won't/can't - I leave the reader to choose- engage Somaliland in battle over Las Anod, 'SSC'or SSB people Leaders Elders are all divided, Khusuusi vs NSUM, SSC vs puntland, the tribe Elders Somaliland vs Puntland. The reminiscing of the Dervish legacy will do as much as help as Somalia's reminiscing of Ahmed Gurey in the 1977 war did. These regions didn't experience the devastation of war that both Somaliland and Puntland have been through to different extent, so that is why they are underestimate it.

Originally posted by AfricaOwn: quote:Originally posted by juma-nne: quote: ^^At least we agree that Kulimey is the worst of the 3. I don't mind if UCID takes it, truth be told. Mr africa Own your hatred for Siilanyo clan is clear from your posts. . Who is this dude? But I thought Dr M. Gabose is my uncle (real uncle) and his linked with Kulmiey party :confused: Clan hatered? lol, don't be silly. This is a typical refugee response. AfricaOwned See the irony of democracy is that you have two types of voters, those decided - either for you or against-, and those that are undecided. the second group is the most important one, so in reality you my friend with your udub avatar dont really matter to Kulmiye - or to UCID even- at all , even I as a Kulmiye supporter come second, the undecided those are the people who really decide elections. p.s. Somaliland's enemies hate everyone that has anything to do with Somaliland its just happens that UDUB is under the spot light, but UDUB doesn't hate them e.g.Geele Amir of jibouti unless you think SSC should secede ? Sacad my friend on the population est. you and I have the same source thats the UN so the odds of my stats being wrong are the same as yours, unless you are questioning the UN credibility. but the voter map is a approximation based on current trends and late elections, tribal politics and a bit of guessing but it serve the idea.

Originally posted by Hales: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_Somaliland The Army numbers around 60,000 with army vehicles and tanks, and in 2004 all the warlords combined numbered around a couple of thousands. If they had a sense of Somalinimo they would have helped the TFG established a government during those times instead of waging war against Puntland and sucking up to Ethiopia. The Somalilanders would probably then stand a chance of having a seccession; but you havent made any progress towards it and have just isolated and made a future "Somalia state" more hostile towards the goal. If all the regions in Somalia were united we would have long gotten out of this civil war thats my take on this. Southerns don't have any sense of Somalinimo its all about Qabiil to them, if not then why didn't the TFG use puntland as a base to rebuild Somalia ?, or why didn't any 'president' that came after Afweyne issue a formal apology - or even an informal one- of what happened to the people of Somaliland, they were busy fighting with each other is not an excuse. Sucking up to ethiopia - like TFG and puntland do-, I see you still didn't reach political puberty, because if you did you would have understood that there is nothing as ultimate enemy and ultimate ally, its all circumstantial. Puntland had it coming, by taking over Somaliland territory and boast to progress deeper into Somaliland, so SL called their bluff. Somalia as you know is hostile to somaliland simply because it takes Somaliland as granted, and it is essential to balance the major Qabil powers. If Somaliland had chosen the road you suggest, it would have been part of the civil war, but we didn't we made the right choice the tough choice and we are living with the consequences. Somaliland has made progress on all fields security ,ecnonmy, education and military, except for recongnition, even though many countries hold informal ties with Somaliland - a couple of days ago a British and French delegation visited the capital and Borama- somaliland has liaison offices in USA,China, Russia, UK, Italy, Australia,Finland,Norway, Belgium, , Kenya, South Africa, Ghana, Uganda,Ethiopia,Yemen, Djibouti. but as usual for SomaliWeners somaliland is even worse than south because they want to secede.

Originally posted by *ANWAR*: WHO CAN BLAM HIM your avatar is out dated you forgot the new PL Alshabaab and ahulu sunnah flags

to all SL haters, have a coke and smile, its obvious that Silanyo has the biggest chance and he is the most likely to win, because he enjoys support from the two largest cities in SL and that is more than enough.

Cowke I would hate to bust your bubble, but speaking in numbers Somaliland's army is larger than puntland, speaking of unorganized militia puntland still has a smaller youth population than Somaliland , so speaking in numbers Somaliland surpasses puntland, training, equipment, tactics, military experience, war economy and stable political establishment are also other factors to consider.

You want to know whos who in Money Exchange http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/africa/article6505498.ece Dahabshiil handles two thirds of the Somali remittance, thats practically dwarfs the rest, you know why did Dahabshiil thrived because the quality of its services not its tribe affiliation, and because its main competitor - in the south- was closed down because the suspicion of having terror links which proved to be baseless.

article seems like Shabaab and XI are taking the fight to a different level, enforcing their will over exchange companies the last life line for southerns - since NGO were banned-, do they understand that Somali traders in general do not answer to any central authority -thats why Socialism failed in Somalia- and they themselves were for some period the only authority - Warlords- . do you think the south can survive if these companies have to pull out or stop operating. or would they just heed to the current situation and wait until it changes.

Take it easy on Sharif he was just a Macalin qur'an.

Officially Somaliland is a part of Somalia just like with the passports, second thing is Somaliland people invested 31 years in the Somalia and was the catalyst behind its creation -short lived- prosperity and finally its dissolution[1]. And until the day that Somalia recognizes Somaliland as an independent state, we will keep posting how good we are doing without you guys and how bad you are doing with out us - although the media is doing this ALL THE TIME-. [1]http://kalabaydh.ipower.com//warka.php?num=8548

Somalinimo is dead, the south killed it, TFG would never use Somaliland as a building point - beside the fact that they can't- they would have used puntland as one !

ahoy puntland up ahead, the land of booty and freedom.

good for him

wrong comparison why ?

my family, friends, the fine weather. although I lived most of my life outside burco, the years I spent there had the deepest touch in me.

and he has credibility, why ????? he was part of the criminal junta so he most probably has skeletons in his closet.

I know this can be a shocking title to you but bare with me. Under the Military junta the main political agenda was liberating O.gadenia - somehow NFD didn't get that much attention but that is another subject- from Ethiopia, the reasons was that people should have the right of self determination even if they didn't want to join Somalia - like the case of Djibouti-. The theory was that a region has the right to secede from its country if the people want so, without any respect to that country- in this case ethiopia- sovereignty, and that people don't choose to secede out of thin air but after being systematically marginalized and discriminated. from this point of view Somaliland has every right to do so. what is your opinion and please do keep it clean for your own sake

puntland can't be a solution because its too clan based, proof of my statement is the splintering of 'makhiir land'. the consequences of having tribal mini states will be tremendous, as citizen who don't hail from the clans that inhibits the state will be marginalized causing them to exodus to their mini states, which will result to segregation that will deepen the rift between fellow citizens that will only result in instability. puntland -to some extent- functions because of the homogeneity - same clan- of its inhabitants, the same model cannot function in the rest of Somalia.

Originally posted by Thankful: Ngonge, I can honestly say I had no clue you came from NW Somalia. For some reason I thought you came from another area, I’m not sure what it was, but once I read the anger you wrote with and the name calling. I came to the realization that you must be. Maybe it's the failure of your secessionist’s dreams that make you so hostile or the fact that you can't admit when you are wrong. But If I knew you were a right-winger from NW Somalia, I would have approached this differently; you seem stuck in your ways! This argument since the beginning has to with the Hypocrisy, specifically what got my attention was the people that posted the Articles: "JB - Monster living next door" and "Qudhac - Gulwadayaal claim samtar is now a victim." The two people who made that thread is what originally got me annoyed and interested, because these guys can comment only on Samatar and talk about his history but not their leaders. Later what really got me annoyed was witnesses in the law suit. Because they and the SOLers will never say a word about Riyaale who comes from their enclave! That's what the arguments was and always been about, now I still believe that the lawsuit is coming from ONE source and I am saying that this source, (whether it be the witnesses or the right wing faction on SOL are biased.) quote: Thankful, you are being obtuse again, saaxib. The link I gave does mention their clan but it also mentions they are two individuals, you stubborn pirate. The SL community in that city did not get together and file a case against the man there; TWO people did. The mention of their clan is important because it sheds some light into the background of the case but this is not a portrayal of the clan as a whole. Not every person from SL is after blood. Some have moved on and some, due to very personal experiences and the opportunity to address these experiences, have not. This is straight and simple but you are being thick on purpose here. The article said they are suing on behalf of 2 members of the (I-clan), they alleged victims are concealing their names. The case is Doe v. Ali. The reason they need to immediately mention their tribe is because it plays big role in their suit. The reason why it says that the Siad government "I-clan was a special target of the military government." Is to make it clear in their eyes that their whole "group" was being targeted not just themselves. The lawsuit then mentions their tribe; read the background info on the article you sent me, before the victims are mentioned, the lawyers identified the individuals by their tribe and in the background summary they give a brief history of what theri tribe was facing, before then talk about the victims. So even though you tried to say in American tribe means nothing, their lawyers know that mentioning the Siad government directly focused on them as a group helps their case. The lawsuit specifically makes it known that their tribe was a special target of the Siad’s military government and not just these private individuals. You (and others) cry Riyaale went to America and nobody prosecuted him. That too is nonsense. Because, and now I'll have to hold your dirty pirate hand here and walk you back to the start of this post; the case was brought by private individuals and these individuals have a direct problem The worse thing in all of this is not really the trial, Samatar or the perceptions you have. What is really appalling here is the idea that just because Somalia had many criminals no victims should have the gal to go after those they believe have wronged them, for the simple reason that others did not! But that is not the way the world works. That is not even the way Somalis work; when someone is killed, some ask for the perpetrator to be killed too whilst others are happy with the blood money. Some believe revenge serves no purpose whilst others demand retribution. It is a very personal and individual thing and not a clan objective. At any rate, SL (as a collective) has already chosen its method of revenge, it decided to secede and never expose itself to the possibility of a return to such times or heartache. Lakin ma cid ba fahmaysa? But you are wrong when you say that these individuals have a direct problem with those men. They are saying that the men under their command subjected them to torture. They are not saying Samatar actually did it! But that military and NSS did. Which is why I say, if anything....the possibility of Riyaale being more directly responsible for their abuse is high? But just like SOL and these witnesses they remain silent. I question their sense of justice and why they aren’t blind when it comes to searching for it. It is one dominant group in NW Somalia’s government that is blaming all other Somalis. The whole reason NW Somalia wants to break up is the claim they make about the abuse they suffered, the reason the witnesses in the case want money is also the abuse they suffered. Yet they never say a word about the NSS station chief! The reason I mentioned Nuremberg Trials is important because it made it clear that you can't use the excuse you were just following orders (like some did for Riyaale), I included Iraq because there new government refused to allow ALL ex-baathists in. Which is the right way to do it, but in NW Somalia an NSS agent was made president! So you are right the lawsuit is from private individuals and just like the posters of this thread it is all coming from "one" side. So my only issue I can prove is towards those two hypocrites’. Especially the witnesses who claim NSS agents came to his house and tortured him. And when an NSS station chief from NW Somalia visits Virginia, they all remain silent. The issue has always been about JB, Qudhuc and now the witnesses in the case. They can talk about war crimes attributed to ex-Siad guys who don't hold heavy weight in their NW Somalia Gov't, but won't say a word about the ex-Siad guys that lead their country and who were once a part of a brutal security apparatus that abused them. Lengthy post and a point well cleared, every one has the right for justice regardless of the offenders tribal affiliation, the reason Somaliland didn't take the path of vengeance is the disastrous end of that path - because it would have stirred up clan violence since some clans were more favorable to the Junta than others-, one of the key principals of reconciliation conferences in SL was to start a new page regardless of what happened in military junta era, and to consider all were victims to that regime - regardless of their clans-, thats why SL didn't suffer the clan based cleansing that happened in the South. Individuals don't have the last say in Somaliland, and even though I respect the opinion of the two SNM members in the article you referred to, I also have to tell you that some of the SNM members were pro-federal Somalia, but declared independence Somaliland despite those because that was what the majority wanted.

a good pirate is a dead pirate, they should have hanged the pirates instead of locking them up, waste of money.

Childish tactics by Puntland, "why did WFP use Berbera port instead of Bossaso boohoo", well because Bosaso coast is plagued with buccaneers thats why, what makes this worse is that the destination is puntland but central Somalia

ONLF is clan based group that is involved in reviving clan feuds between Somalis in the Somali region. but so far there policy have backfired, and more people know the real face behind the freedom fighter facade.

"Dallo Airlines offers you a trip of life time .. most likely the end of your life time" Now thats a motto to go with =]

Originally posted by Dajiye: ^Why take pride in such actions? I am being sarcastic but since you didn't get it the first time *sigh*