Ibti, Do you know what the trinity means? Do you know what saints are? I suppose you don't, because otherwise you wouldn't bring them up as examples to show that we don't believe in ONE God. Did you know that the Church of England recognizes Islam as a form of Christianity? It's ridiculous how you enumerate the components of Iman one after the other, like they're totally incompatible with what we believe in. Go talk to a priest sometime and see what he thinks. I'm a Christian, yet I believe in all the Prophets, in all of God's books. Anyway, I currently don't have the fire to continue this theological discussion which will probably lead nowhere, just like every other discussion on this forum. But I must say, you missed my point. The tone of your original post was derisive and offensive. I don't even like the Catholic church, but I did find your ridiculing of the said saint distasteful. Your post read like "A Catholic saint having Iman? HAH! What a joke!" and I found that very disturbing. Why? Because it's this type of discourse that perpetrates the mistrust between people today. I'm not saying we should be clones, but when you do everything you can to accentuate otherness and to act like we're incompatible, that's destructive. Because you perpetuate this pipe dream that war is about Christian vs. Muslim, East vs. West and all that claptrap that's so popular nowadays. When war is actually about man versus himself. It's about man fighting against the ugly, cruel, side of his own nature.

This is like the millionth time this was posted lol

Originally posted by *Ibtisam: quote:Originally posted by Sherban Shabeel: quote: Originally posted by *Ibtisam: ^^Wa la bahey, I have to come back and read this thread when I have time. Did she really say a saint struggled with Iman and a "great" one for dying as a catholic loool I'm sorry, what's so wild about a saint struggling with Iman? Sherban. She is not talking about a saint struggling with the model Iman, but rather an important principle in Islam which determines the strength of the believer. It is made up of separate and hierarchical components, the lowest component being removing a harmful object from the street. The whole principle can ONLY be implied to a Muslim who is attempting to at least fulfil the compulsory components (six). So yes it is Wild to apply this to a saint, who not only falls outside of Islam but has no wish, understanding or compulsion to fulfil Islamic components (which are contradictor) to his faith. He would probably find it insulting. 1. Iman? Do you really think I'm that thick or was that a joke? 2. I fail to see how these Islamic components are contradictory to his faith. 3. Unless you know him personally and have talked to him, you can't know if he would find it insulting. If he were to find it insulting, he'd be called a fool, and not a saint. Saints aren't pedophiles, or people who trash talk Islam, or who knows what you're imagining. Saints are saints for a reason. I don't have a problem with you thinking your faith is superior to mine, and if you think I don't deserve the same rewards you do, then I ask you to pray for my salvation. What I do have a problem with is your divisive discourse. Like Muslims and non-Muslims are like oil and water. Keep driving these wedges between people, so that they become even larger than they are today, until there is an abyss between them. That will be the beginning of the end.

Originally posted by Abtigiis & Tusbax: Perhaps finally someone will tell me what it means. I have recurring dreams of me and Malika... lol your post had me up to that point

Originally posted by *Ibtisam: ^^Wa la bahey, I have to come back and read this thread when I have time. Did she really say a saint struggled with Iman and a "great" one for dying as a catholic loool I'm sorry, what's so wild about a saint struggling with Iman?

I believe that every religion that teaches you to treat living things kindly is a religion which ultimately honors God, and is therefore appropriate. I don't believe mine is superior to others, and don't believe others are superior to mine. I believe all of them are forms, some more elaborate than others, of the same universal truth.

lol precisely Tentative release date: 2010 Real release date: God knows

God keep his soul

Gunmen in Somalia have killed a prominent journalist who worked at the state-run radio station in the capital. Sheikh Nur Abkey was abducted on Tuesday and his body was found dumped in the street later that evening. It is unclear who killed him, but his colleagues believe was targeted because he worked for Radio Mogadishu which is critical of Islamist militants. They control large swathes of country, with the UN-backed interim government limited to sections of the capital. Somalia, which has not had a functioning central government since 1991, is considered one of the most dangerous countries in the world for members of the media. Reporters Without Borders says nine journalists were killed in Somalia in 2009. The BBC's Mohammed Olad Hassan in the capital, Mogadishu, says Mr Abkey was a veteran journalist, remaining in Mogadishu when the civil war started. He worked for the independent HornAfrik radio station and the Somali Television Network as a news anchor and comedian, our reporter says. More recently, he worked with Somalia's information ministry training journalists at Radio Mogadishu. (BBC)

LOL this is like waiting for Dr. Dre's Detox to come out.

lol @ all the human ugliness in this thread

I will become a doctor in wet dreams.

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Originally posted by The Zack: ^Sheekh Sharif's Information Minister did condemn these attacks adeer. It has been all over the media, do you read only "tolka" news portals? Damn straight! Mr. Somalia, you should keep a closer eye on the news. Here's a piece from your very own Garowe Online: Garowe Online: A twin bomb explosion that killed scores of people inside a mosque in Somalia ’s restive capital Mogadishu on Saturday has been strongly condemned by all warring sides involved in Somali conflict. The attack took place inside a packed mosque in the main Bakara market, an area controlled by insurgent group Al-Shabaab. The leader of Somalia's Hizbul Islam Islamist militant Sheikh Hassan Dahir Aweys said targets on worships are unheard off in Somalia but now seems to be getting its way into the country thanks to ‘foreign enemies’. "Such attacks are well-known in Iraq and Afghanistan and they are new to Somalia," he said, denying any involving of his group, which broke ranks with Al-Shabaab in recent past. The fragile UN-backed Somali government termed the incident as ‘new foreign barbaric phenomena’ that totally dints the historic Islamic culture of Somalis. “ Somalia is not culturally known for targeting places of worship, this one is the most barbaric acts ever happened in our country and we are strongly condemning it,” Dahir Mohamoud Gele , Somalia 's information minister told reporters in Mogadishu . The African Union Special Representative for Somalia , Ambassador Boubacar Gaoussou Diarra condemned in the strongest terms possible the attacks and all attacks targeting public places especially those of worship such as the mosque “Indiscriminate attacks on public places like today’s incident cannot be condoned. I, on behalf of the African Union would like to call upon all warring parties in the Somali Conflict to stop such barbaric attacks on innocent civilian population,” said Ambassador Diarra. Sheikh Abdullahi Abdirahman Abu Yusuf Al-Qadi, a spokesman for pro-government Ahlu-sunna Wal-jamaa group, which is involved in bloody war with insurgents groups Al-Shabaab and Hizbul Islam described the act as a foreign terror campaign that is finding its way into the Somali society. Al Shabaab movement blamed the attacks on foreign security firms operating in Mogadishu. The group is waging war against the UN-backed Somali government and its backer African Union troops. GAROWE ONLINE

you can still be a cyber martyr

They should burn the sledgehammers that were used to destroy the graves of saints.

Originally posted by Kashafa: quote: If you look closer, you'll see that the actual source of that story is Garowe Online Sherban, do you know who owns and runs Garowe Online ? The son of the current Ethiopian vicegerent in Garowe.(Cabdirahmaan Faroole). It has as much veracity as the National Enquirer. Was this work of fiction to be found at, say, Hiiraan Online or Shabelle Media Network ? Of course not.(find it if u can) Why is that ? Well, how about this: They employ actual journalists who practice actual journalism , which includes something called fact-checking and something else called verifying sources so that something as comical as "Al-Shabaab blow up mosque! Al-Shabaab ban bras! Al-Shabaab & pirates alliance! " doesn't make it to their website. Naked lies are naked lies...especially when found at Garowe Online. lol come on bro. Is everyone you don't like an "Ethiopian viceregent"? OK, let's say Garowe Online has "ethiopian" interests at heart (which I don't believe, because I've been following their reporting for a long while), and let's take a look at the other organizations you gave as an example: Hiiraan Online? Cool, I can groove with them. They 're a decent source of information. Although I'd like to point out that they took up the Reuters/AFP story about the bras just like everyone else did. Anyway, you're right about never finding the Garowe piece on the mosque attack, because - to my knowledge - HOL doesn't have a news archive. They only have an archive for editorials. Shabelle Media Network? Don't make me laugh! They change their political allegiance every week, according to who last grenaded their offices or killed their bosses. I have the utmost respect for the journalists that work there, for their bravery and dedication to journalism and to the Somali people, but Shabelle as a news source is an absolute joke.

Note: The only thing I like about Belgium is the chocolate.

I normally respect my elders, and I apologize if I have caused offence. I just got a bit ticked off at your blind defense of men I know to indulge in the same vices I do, yet pretend to be holier than me (or even you).

Originally posted by *BOB: I see you're taking this whole shabeel thing too seriously... What is this world coming to? Peace, Love & Unity. You should peep some game from your own signature, old man I'll invite you next time so you don't think I'm a liar.

Like one of the commentators on the site said, one major drawback is that some managers may misunderstand the spirit of this policy and use it to seep into employeess free time.

Originally posted by *BOB: Where did you see the Saudi leaders drunk in Ramadan or throwing away fortune on escort girls from Eastern Europe? Stop making baseless and wild accusations...it's not an attractive trait to possess. Peace, Love & Unity. I was there. Any further questions?

lol Maaddeey why don't you go reap the rewards in Jannah for yourself? Your dedication would make you a perfect shahiid. Oh wait, I forgot you're not a real person

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Originally posted by Jacphar: ^But unlike Belgium, Saudi Arabia doesn't broadcast itself as a democracy, freedom of religion and press kind of country. But unlike Saudi Arabia, Belgium doesn't broadcast itself as the home of Islam and a holy country, while at the same time its leaders get drunk on Ramadan, throw away fortunes on luxury escorts, on girls from Eastern Europe, on supercars, on military hardware from Americans, and in general make a mockery of their religion & culture. Hypocrisy is an international disease buddy. It's not just a European thing.