I wonder if the security is from Kroll or a governmental security service for diplomats.

Li Ka-Shing, PM me if you want to network.

Do as UBS and Tudor Capital; buy Range Resources shares.

Hugo Chavez has realized the virtues of doing business with independent oil traders. They dont give any requirements on how he could run his government and his free to buy anything he wants from the proceeds he receives in them. Right now someone is making a killing over in Switzerland.

When is this system available? How much does it cost?

Just the type of response I was expecting Hypocrisy at its finest ppl.

Where is Kashafa et al? I dont hear any Martin Luther King speeches denouncing these rapes and killings. Oh I forgot, this case doesnt fit in with their marketing campaign for the "Nationwide United Muqaawamah" since its mere "somali-on-somali" crimes. Figures.

For a little while ago, sportscarmaker Aston Martin was sold from Ford to a private consortium. The interesting part of this deal, called leveraged-buy-out*, is that it is being financed through a Sukuk issue (Islamic bond) in order to create a Shari'a adhering financial vehicle. Although the fame and maturity of Islamic bonds is widely acknowledged, a german state and an american oil company are two notable Sukuk issuers, this is said to be the first time that an Islamic product is being used for financing an LBO in Europe and the market for Islamic bonds is set to pass the one for conventional western bonds (interest based) in a couple of years. *http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leveraged_buyout I say the race for becoming the new Michael Milken is on. Looks like a new era of corporate raiders using Islamic junk bonds to acquire western companies is in the horizon. Islamic bonds power consortium's $1.2bn Aston Martin buy Gillian Tett, London March 19, 2007 THE name is Bond. Islamic bond. Or rather it should be, considering the consortium that has bought Aston Martin, the maker of James Bond's favourite sports car, is going to finance the purchase according to strict Islamic principles. Ford Motor agreed last week to sell Aston Martin for £479 million ($1.2 billion) to a leveraged buy-out (LBO) consortium organised out of London by motor-racing entrepreneur Dave Richards. German bank WestLB has been appointed to arrange £225 million of quasi-debt finance to back the LBO and it must accord with the Koran's opposition to interest and speculation. "This will be financed in an exclusively shariah-compliant way," WestLB executive director David Testa said. Mr Testa believes this is the first time Islamic finance has been used for an LBO in Britain, and probably the western world. The Islamic financial focus has arisen partly because two key financiers behind the LBO, Kuwaiti groups Investment Dar and Adeem Investment Company, only invest in accordance with Islamic principles. The move comes at a time of rapid growth in the Islamic finance sector, estimated to have assets of more than $US300 billion ($376 billion) worldwide, a reflection of growing religious sentiment in the Muslim world and high oil prices putting more finance in the hands of groups such as Investment Dar. Meanwhile, western investment banks such as WestLB, Deutsche Bank, Citigroup and Barclays are becoming more involved in Islamic finance. WestLB expects to syndicate the Aston Martin LBO finance among Islamic banks in the Gulf and London, as well as to non-Islamic groups, such as European banks. The finance package will initially be structured in a manner comparable to a syndicated bank loan, with total debt of about 4.5 times earnings before interest, tax and depreciation - a relatively low level compared with recent European LBOs. The LBO consortium is expected to issue so-called Islamic bonds, sukuk, in the future to take advantage of planned changes in British law that will make it more attractive, in tax terms, for British companies to issue these instruments. This additional financing is expected partly because the company has ambitious plans that are likely to meet warm approval among Middle Eastern financiers, given the Gulf's love affair with fast cars. But it remains to be seen whether these financiers will ban other factors also that might be deemed non-Koranic, such as the use of martini-swilling spies to market the brand.

Peer Pressure my ***. She fell for her sinful desires thats it. But the most vulgar scenes of muslims-gone-ozzy-osbourne can be viewed in places like St Tropez this summer. Dubai and Pakistan will have their annual championship in champagne debauchery followed by drug-infested parties throughout the night. One of my acquintances is also a friend of a saudi prince; accordin to my friend, this prince doesnt drink any alcohol at all, citing his religious belief, but instead use cocaine exctensively. This kind of type is also prevalent among the jetset muslims worldwide. Ditch alcohol, snort cocaine. If you want to stay off drugs; try not to experiment or "try" them in the first place. Very cliché sounding but its the most effective way avoiding this sinful act.

^^ Yes, lets see what sort of rabbit our magician will pull out of the hat this time.

Thats great. That way they can all be taken out in one strike.

I'm going to start with adressing one of your never ending embarassing comments: Now for you Mr.ghost, the meeting was for Heads of State , and Yeey has the position in in the so called TFG and it is not 'ceremonial', so give me a good reason why he did not go and the 'muqaalas' was sent. I doubt whether you actually no the reason or even have a sense questioning the motive 1. Security Council meetings has never been exclusive to Heads of States only. An invited State which is not a sitting member of the Security Council may send either its Head of Government or Head of State and communicate which one its sending and the persons credentials through the Secretary-General 24h before the first meeting is due. You neither possess any knowledge on the background, rules or procedures of attending a UN Security Council meeting. Your just making things up to support and nurture your gossipy idea of an internal grudge between A/Y and Geedi and repeating it ad nauseam. 2. I never said A/Y Presidential role is ceremonial but rather the direct opposite. Critical reading is essential if you dont want to embaress yourself further(!). ----------------------------------------------- Your still not backing your statements with any relevant data. Remember that I asked for a well-founded report, not a toothless emotional outbourst. I'm particularly interested in how your forming these statements since you somethimes seem to depict yourself as a government insider who knows how the political game is being played inside the TFG. Lets go over some excerpts. Excerpt no. 1 It has no outright leadership and its steering wheel is held by Zenawi, Geedi, Yeey and co. , and there is the absence of co-ordination among them even in their common purpose of mayhem. Q's: 1. What methodology did you use to assess that the TFG lacks outright leadership? a) What are you basing your statement that there isnt any coordination among A/Y and Geedi on? b)- || - Zenawi and the TFG? 3. How do you think recent actions by the TFG such as reintroduction of police forces and corporate taxes correspond with your statements that the TFG is a defunct organization? Motivate why. Excerpt no. 2 It is an entity that is despotic, with no clear direction other than to destroy and decapitate the subjects it was meant to govern and harmonise. Q's: 1. Do you acknowledge any external hostile factor that may have interrupted the work of the TFG? b) If Yes, explain why you can acknowledge this but still blame only the TFG for the fightings in Somalia. 2. You stated that the TFGs sole purpose is to destroy and decapitate the subjects it was to govern, how does this correspond with the absence of purposeful TFG-backed killings of civilians since the last big battle in March-April? b) If you deem that your statement is still valid, explain why the last months civil casualties has been executed by forces not affilliated with the TFG or its allies. Excerpt no. 3 Now spare me the crap that it is working and appointing individuals and institution - for first we dont know who is doing it whether the TFG or General Gabre, secondly it is cosmetic and irrelevant. Q's: 1. What sort of incentives is there for General Gabre, a military character, to appoint local individuals and institutions? Remember: Conspiracy theories wont cut. b) On what basis does the statement that; A/Y, Geedi, the TFG cabinet and parliament would allow for an ethopian official to be that directly active with the rebuilding of local administrations/authorities, rest on? 2. Secondly, in which way is it cosmetic and irrelevant to appoint and set up local administrations? Again I'm expecting well-founded arguments for your criticism against setting up government authorities/administrations.

Now in regard to your excuse that they being both head of government , since when saxiib? Wasn't it Yeey who appointed Geedi to form a government and at any time can sack him if he sees that he is failing. Se camal saxiib, I know you can do better than that, and hey it is making the rounds in Villa Somalia that the old man was packing his bags to go to the Big Apple before he got a call from Addis. So tell me what you know about it, if not, then please zip up and watch as scenarios unfold.. Not surprisingly you seem to be drifting away into conspiracy theories and traditional fadhi-ku-dirir chinwagging. Here, enlighten yourself: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics Originally posted by Juje: [QB] defunct :no longer living, existing, or functioning synonym = dead ^according to Webster. Good. Now give us a report on why you view the TFG as a defunct organization and substantiate your comments with the basic data (not invented or emotional ones) that you find appropriate to prove your statement.

Originally posted by Juje: all I asked for was why is Geedi going to a meeting of 'heads of state' in replacement of Yeey? 1. Both heads of government and heads of states can attend the meetings before the Security Council and since Geedi has one of those titles, your theory of "replacement" is wrong. 2. Translation of "madaxda wadamada caalamka" can be both head of government and head of state. Now I would like you to take on the following: Define a defunct organization

Ama waa badawnimo. Ama waa curyaannimo xagga garadka ah. Midkey eheedba, waa xaalad adag runtii.

Coordinating a group of power-hungry, unexperienced members with great egos of which some are ex-warlords as subordinates (of the presidency/prime ministry) unevidently makes up for a sensitive cocktail. The factors that can make up for an internal conflict can be many and have various nuances. We have so far been spared of scandalous scenes such as the Nairobi Fight Club event and surprisingly enough there has also been less public outcries from individual members of parliament/government which I think shows increased loyalty and respect to the system of the TFG and the heads of the government. However, I belive we can sense possible internal conflicts that have arised from the following cases: - The Mogadishu battles: There is a probability that someone inside the government went back into reptile mode and let the clan-mentality stand before the national interest when certain neighbourhoods was being attacked. Such person could turn into a mole, collaboratíng with resistance and assist in coordinating assassination or sabotation of officials and buildings or purposely misinforming other government insiders in order to create political upheaval. - The Buba reshuffle: the clear family connection involved in the case indicates the involvment of nepotism or clan loyalty having the upper-hand on the decision-making stage. A lethal mix. I'll try to come up with more later.

Another emotional diatribe riding on the wave of occupation showcasting a utopian patriotism that has been absent for more than a decade. I had a hard time finding at the very least a viable action plan programme that the author would like to put in place after having removed the TFG and the Ethiopians. How then go forward? I also found it particularly amusing when the author drifted into the case of loyalty, pulling up the accusatorial 'national traitor card', yet another illusion of the born-again patriot who suddenly turned blind to the fact that somalis defected from their national unity and government to respective clan loyalties years ago. How the author is unable to include this in his work is yet another mystery, seeing the obvious difficulties to superimpose transcending political structures that the prolonged matter has caused.

The TFG which is the executive branch of the TFI is following a semi-presidential system in which the President is the head of state and the Prime minister is head of government meaning both are active participants in day-to-day activities. It differs from a parliamentary republic in that it has an elected president who is more than a purely ceremonial figurehead and differs from the presidential system in that the cabinet, although named by the president, is responsible to the legislature, which may force the cabinet to resign. Globally, power-sharing between the President and the Prime minister in semi-presidential governments can vary greatly. In the case of the TFG, the government is headed by the President and the cabinet by the Prime minister (through whom reporting goes to the President). Hence, the term madaxda wadamada caalamka is applicable on both Gedi and A/Y. Further studies on basic political/governmental systems and the nature of the Security Council is recommended.

Anyway, my challenge to you is to carry out a: quote:a comprehensible debate on the political background of the incident. the floor is yours.... lol oo aniga maad hadana ii soo jeesatay arinta waxay mareyse adiga iyo hadaladaadiyee? As I said in my earlier post, I want you to work out a comprehensible debate on the political background of the incident. Marka fadlan awoowe. Bashaalka noo bilaaw.

Originally posted by Geel_Jire12: The rape of Somali women and the terrorism commited against Somali women, children and elders doesn't need a " fruitful" and comprehensive debate between the "different" political" opponents of Sol. Either you are against this and your are shocked, hurt and saddened by those allegeations, which aren't new. Or you you can describe these things as meer conspiracies or label them as out of " Somali border" issues as Mr Duke asserts. Well firstly, I would avoid limiting my reasoning and debating to merely being "shocked, hurt and sad" by any horrific incident that I might adress or use in my arguments, if my intention is to carry on a comprehensible debate on the political background of the incident. To elaborate a bit more; any sane man would be shocked, sad and hurt by a raped woman whatever country she might be from, but isolating certain incidents and using it as a premise for your arguments show more resemblance to being a logical fallacy than a truthful statement on the nature and work that the TFG & Ethiopia is currently doing in Somalia.

As NGONGE and many others in this thread have mentioned, this thread lacks the prerequisites for a fruitful and comprehensive debate between the different political opponents of SOL. I also sense alot of oneliner 'conspiracy-oriented' comments revealing the posters obvious temptation to resort to amateurish, dead-end, fadhi-ku-dirir discussions. Not my cup of shaax really.

^^ He didnt present any analysis but rather layed out an acceptable frame-work for a discussion that rests on a comparison study between Somalia and Palestine, based on historical and present, politicial premises in the two countries. Good thread peacenow. I'll try to take a crack on it later on.

^^ Ok, could you give us a brief review of the garasho and wax fahan that senator Feingold mentioned JC? I reckon his one of those peace doves that only bash and critizise international hot spots without deeper political understanding of the situation on ground with its many nuances and complexities.

So you finally exposed your faith. Shalom!

^^ I dont see how that would change my neutrality? There were some interesting remarks in the other thread that could be coupled with this one.