Ecstasy, are you serious? Are you telling me you believe in everything that you put in writing? If so you’re in denial. Face the facts, I know you want to come off as a intellectual sister who does things on her own accord, but from this piece, you could not be further from the truth. I sure as hell I’m an intellectual sister who does things under her own terms. The difference between you and I is, the fact that I’m being factual and your idealistic. Let me give you a list with all the things I find wrong with your “foundation.” 1) You said you don’t have time for attracting men, and you don’t put on makeup. So what you’re saying is, if you had time for attracting men, you would have used makeup, and since you don’t use makeup, you don’t attract men. So it only leaves to conclude that makeup attracts men. You not using makeup and you not “having time to attract men” leads to the conclusion that you have not attracted men due to not your lack of wanting their attention, but to the lack of makeup. 2) It does not matter whether marriage is around the corner, or 10 years from now, the results are still the same: Girl + makeup =attraction. Attraction + dating=marriage. How does a girl become attractive? If it was due to natural beauty, Mac would be out of business, I assure you. 3) Tara Banks, Cindy Crawford, Naomi Campbell, are extremely gorgeous, due to both their features (natural beauty) and a little help from cover girl. If they use makeup to look attractive, sweetie, you sure as hell need one as well. Don’t give me that shit, about not using makeup and still looking drop dead gorgeous, if that is your argument, no need to continue writing any more, for that is unrealistic, in other words, its bullshit. 4) 75% of men, prefer women who don’t wear “pounds of makeup”, which means, women who look like street walkers, or bubo the clown. A little face powder, lipstick ain’t ever caused a guy to turn around, except for a double take. So save that piece of info for someone who has the mind-capacity of a 10 –year-old, because I sure as hell ain’t buying that. 5) When you say “i sure as hell am one fine confident woman!” do you mean confident in all aspects? Such as the way you look (every single inch, from your head to your toe, every scar, every mark, every fat, every thing) dress, walk, talk. If so, damn god must have spent more time on you than he did upon all his other creatures. Wow, you must be gorgeous. Wow. If that was the case though, than wouldn’t you have attracted every guy, whether you “had time” for it or not? :eek: I mean attraction does not depend upon the permission of the person who is being observed. If it did, some unsightly looking creatures wouldn’t be attracted to good looking folks (“such as your self”) :rolleyes: they would have been kicked to the curb and would be among their kind…..who in your theory, are those who put on makeup (such as myself and half female population). Interesting. You could be the most beautiful person god has ever created (Ecstasy), and you still would need a little cover up, lipstick, lip-gloss (which by the way is considered makeup because it modifies a person’s “natural beauty” it puts a lil shine upon it, which makes you up, from what you were before applying it) to make you look even better. 99.9% of women (except for the ‘special’ ones) use makeup, or modify themselves to look good in the eyes of others, whether it’s men or women. If that was not true, than every woman would come out to public, to go to either school or work, looking like the way they did when they first woke up. How many women can you honestly say come to work with tangled hair, bad breath, pajamas, and big ol bugs bunny slippers? Not an iota. None. Zero. Nata. How many women can you say come to either work or school with make up on, and dressed up. A lot. Many. The Majority. Almost every female. So if what Ecstasy predicted was true (wearing makeup for one’s self) than why don’t every female put makeup on to bed? Why do they wash it off, and than reapply it in the morning? That tells you, makeup is to give you more confidence than you already possess, and to be attractive. And we all know that every single woman, except for lesbians, beautify themselves to either get or obtain the attention of a certain guy…who ever disagrees with that Is from mars. Please don’t even try to argue about that. You will sound ridiculou

Bush from the start was clear about Saddam’s non-involvement with 9/11. He made that clear. Some of these “sophisticated sheep” who reside in the United States took it upon themselves to deduce Saddam’s involvement. Next, if Bush was truly concerned with, liberating a battered country and over throwing a authoritarian leader, he would have aided Vietnam, or China. There are 8 and 10 year olds who work 8 to 10 hour shift every day for corporate companies in America, such as Nike, Arizona, and few other businesses. Why isn’t he helping them? Why is he only interested in “Liberating” a country that has abundant oil, a country which his father fought, a country that is, for the most part Islam, and a country that has copious oil? Did I mention Bush and his family own an oil company along with Rumsfield and Cheney? Hmmm, doesn’t that shed a light on things? At first, Bush was using the excuse of Iraq obtaining WMD (weapons of mass destruction), didn’t all the fools that have “support our troops” stickers on their cars, and on their lawns ever asked themselves the question of “Where are the WMD that Bush speaks of” or “Why are we sending our children to murder other children” or even “why are we sending our own children to be murdered” if there are no WMD. My God, it makes me sick to my stomach to see thousands and thousands of Iraqi women and children getting killed for the mere reason of getting rich off their countries oil. For the sake of argument lets say Bush was actually trying to “liberate” Iraq, and that he was in no means after their oil (right), why than are their more people dieing and suffering than they did before the ‘liberating’ mission? Why is the country in turmoil? When did liberating and killing have the same meaning? If helping was the mission, why is there destruction upon every corner of Iraq? If Saddam was truly a monster, why is there more deaths caused by the Americans than Saddam himself? Why are Iraq citizens protesting on the streets chanting “No more Americans”? If liberating was the assignment, and as some news portray, the citizens of Iraq are in favor of it, why do the Iraq’s than want the American soldiers out? Third, from what I have witnessed, the Americans who are currently fighting terrorism within their own country are initiating terrorism in another. Within their walls, they say “War against terrorism”, yet in another country it translates to “War for terrorism”. This war, as the days go by, has become visible as a conquest, in the replacement for liberation. It’s poignant that no country is willing to intervene to help and save the lives of so many innocents. The Islamic countries are doing nothing to aid their brothers in a horrific time. I believe if all the Muslim countries would have stuck together, Iraq would not have suffered as badly as it today, nor would it have suffered 10 years ago in the hands of two simple-minded relatives; a village ***** and his father. I hope did not get off topic, for I stopped reading the post, upon hearing Bush’s name, my sincere apologies.

Originally posted by OG_Moti: loooooool cute_lilgirl, u dont know why i called it women.. cause only women do these weird things, like swallowing snakes, Roaches crawling out of there mouth, only women do that… I am for got sake what would a snake do in her tummy, unless she deliberately, animalisticly swallowed the poor snake … like Derman said ilaahayow naag mas laqda ha ibarin oo meel eydagan tahay ha igeyn … looooooool peace OG-Moti….. I’m sensing contradiction...are you sure you don’t want to reconsider that so-called theory? Well if you read ahead, you would have noticed the French shoe maker in the 16th century, who suffered abdominal pains for 10 years, who finally stabbed himself in despair. “For got sake what would a snake do in his tummy, and coffin, unless he deliberately, animalistic swallowed the poor snake.” Does that sound familiar Moti? :eek: Women are at least smart enough to not wait for 10 years to receive aid; they have the intelligence to find out what is going on … MEN are obtuse. Why Am I blaming all men? Only some of them are simple-minded, dim-witted, imperceptive, thickheaded, slow, impenetrable, etc….Hint…Hint Og-Moti...Can you guess who I might be referring to? I’ll give you a lollipop if you guess right… LooooL that was amusing though…not you Moti, (Never you) the article...

I must disagree with what you alleged “If you’re a man you can like another man but you can’t love him, and If you’re a woman you can like another woman but you can’t love her.” I am a woman who most definitely loves, not likes other women : My mother, My sisters, My aunts, My grandmother, etc. There are also Men who love other men: Fathers, brothers, etc. Getting back to your question, yes you can tell the difference between liking and loving. Although it depends on the type of love you are referring to. There are two types of love, as you already may be aware of. Wife/husband love and family/friend love. I don’t know which one you are philosophizing about, but let’s presume it’s the wife/husband or girlfriend/boyfriend type. You Love the person (“significant other”) if you can stand waking up next to him/her every single day of your existence. If you could remain to live with that person, through all the good and bad times, through thick and thin. If you would do anything for them, even snatch the stars above, or dying trying. If you would do whatever it took to keep them from hurting…or to keep them smiling. If you would surprise them with a Lamborghini Cala for their birthday (*HINT..HINT) . You Like the person if you once in a while make them cry, just for the sake of entertainment. If they tend to get on your nerves for absolutely no reason. If you just want to give them a bat on the back after not seeing them for sometime. If they only cross your mind upon seeing them, out of sight, out of mind, type of ordeal. You like them if you just want to hang out, and have fun. If you drop them, after they get on your nerves…..that sort of thing. I hope I answered your Question to the best of your propensity.

RIGHTTTTTTT....You know what, without offending anyone, that is a load of crap. We all know that women beautify themselves to be conspicuous. “Now if and when i put on make-up its only to highlight my natural beauty,” Ecstasy, honey, lets be real. You most definitely don’t put on make up when you are sitting home, watching “young and the restless” eaten bonbons. You put on makeup whenever you leave the house. Now let’s ask, why do you put it on when you leave the house? :confused: So you can be attractive…..Who are you trying to attract? Men…(it sure as hell ain’t women…unless.. :eek: ) why are you attracting men? So you can someday get married and roll a baby carriage....Am I right, or can you help me fill in the blanks. I don’t care who you are, whenever you (a woman) leave the house, you don’t leave looking jacked up; you leave looking like a sensation. :cool: Why? Don’t even give me that “I do it because of myself” :rolleyes: if that was the case, than you would be dressed up at home, every single day, of every single month, of every single year…whether your cleaning, cooking, chillin, Whatever it is you do at home...You do it because you want to be Extraordinary, impressive, inspiring, striking, etc... If we are to be realistic, 99.9% of women who put on makeup, put it on to (A) attract men, (B) to look stunning © to be envied furthermore, to be resented and to receive compliments from either gender. Sooo who ever says “I simply put it on just for me and myself only” is full of SH*T (No offense). I put on makeup to be gorgeous, or as some of you ladies called it “highlight mother nature’s superior looks”. Whatever it is, I put it on to look good damn it, and I’m love’in it. Soooo, getting back to my point, I believe both philosophers are accurate; moreover, the third philosopher hit it on the mark....

Ohhhhh Lucky, Thank you Sweetheart. You are a peach

Are you serious? :mad: No offense, but you’re dumb, for expecting a permission as if you were her father, and she is dumber for not hurting you with whatever object that was lying around. If it were I, the story you posted would have went differently. Ask permission kulahaa…Ha, boy you must be out of your mind. Story: You: Where are you going without asking me permission Me: Say wha You: Where are you going without…..” boom, an object (a Chair) suddenly appeared and came against your head… The End. The story would have ended you telling them about how I hurt you, rather than "waryaa markaad iguursatid waxaad rabto ayaad heli oo waa i amri kartaa "when u marry me, u can order me around"

There was this one guy, who always sat in the same place, at the same time. Every day, at 5:00, he would sit next to my house, for 3 months. He never said a word, not a ‘Hi’, “How are you?” “Who is that guy?” Nothing, not even the time I placed my neighbor’s dog in the garbage (he always send it after my little brother after September 11 :mad: ). I would always wonder who he was, and was afraid to ask in case he was fanatical. He would just sit there and gaze at me. As soon as I go inside, he will pick up his cane and go inside his house. It seemed as if he awaited my arrival. At first, it used to creep me out, though I got used it after a while and even said ‘Hi’ at times. If memory serves, his name was Dan Fischer, a 50-year-old, retired lawyer. Long story short, when I arrived home one day, William’s son, was waiting for me at home and asked if I would accompany him to the hospital. It seemed that William had a heart attack. Although I felt bad, I was wondering ‘what the hell I’m I doing here’? :confused: he asked to speak with me privately and when we were alone, he said, if I recall correctly, “ If I could, I would give you the stars for the best 3 months you have given me.” I was thinking “damn old man is losing it….” then he added (which confused me ) “for years I had nothing to look forward to, but the thought of seeing your splendor, for these past 3 months was enough to get me through life”. yea, I was like “whaaaaaaaaaaa” myself. :confused: Later, his son filled me in. He told me that the reason his father was sitting in front of his house, at 5:00 o’clock, for the past three months was to watch me. At first, I did not know whether be flattered, or frightened, than I decided to go with the latter, after the old man died. I like to look at things on the positive side. There was this old guy named Abdi Yare, whom I call “the nutty Adaar’ who always came up to me and asked (in Somali) “Adaar if I offer you my store, would you be my 5th wife” (lool) and I always responded back with “fifth, no Adaar, I don’t like to share.” The next day, he asked me the same Question, and I gave him the same answer. We were like this everyday, for 2 weeks, until one day he asked “Adaaro if I divorce my 4 wives would you marry me” and I said “Adaaro if you divorce your 4 wives, and take me as yours, you may do the same to me as you did to your other wives as soon as a hot number comes along”. He said “Yes adaaro, true, but I’ll rock your boat for the next 6 months…no young guy can make you scream as I could” . I could not stop laughing…. normally I would have been offended, by I was having such a bad time, that he made my day by making me laugh. After that, he was my favorite person to tease. I would go there every time I’m having a bad day, and he would just make me laugh. I love him. He’ll I’d have considered marrying him if he was 30 years younger just so he can make me laugh (and not to make me scream :rolleyes: for some of y’all who have their minds in the gutter…get it out of there).

Let me see…what is important in my life? :confused: At present, I would have to say my family, my religion and my education. Nothing compares to those three, particularly the former two. Material goods, boyfriends, entertainment, and other issues, are irrelevant factors. To some, those are enormously important, :rolleyes: and that is all right, however for me, they are not primary. If I have my education, my family and most importantly my religion, nothing is missing. Whatever comes after that comes after that…no sweat,& no rush.

Hasna, I like your topic, however there are some things I must get to before I answer your question….forgive me if I sound rude or offensive. First, there are a lot of factors that are taking place within our society that are more significant than couples who divorce. For instance, we should be concerned with our youth who take up drugs and get involved in gangs. Everyday we hear of 14 and 16 year olds who either are gunned down, or are incarcerated. Divorce is not essential in comparison to the issues that are taking place within youth. Back to the discussion at hand…..and forgive me if I sound vulgar, but there isn’t an issue here. It simply demands upon the individuals at hand. Not everyone who goes through this phase shows hostility to one another. A friend of mine is divorced, and he gets along incredibly well with his ex-wife. However, for those who don’t get along, all I can say is that they probably have a good reason for disliking one another. There might be a very good, logical explanation for it, if there isn’t, well then it’s up to them. There is nothing neither you, nor I can do, even if we had the answers. Simply put, it’s their life and they will do whatever pleases them. As far as swearing goes, they have been swearing in front of their kids while they were married, heck they were probably swearing at the kids in question. That is nothing new within our society. It is western adaptation to say “They ARE constantly arguing, fighting over everything. Fighting and swearing in front of the kids”. Maybe they curse due to frustration? What I am trying to get at (after so many expressions... :rolleyes: ) is you really don’t know what the situation is, and neither do I, thus we really can’t assume their behavior is due to lack of respect or tolerance for one another. That is a preconception, that is why I can’t provide a straight answer, and I don’t want to provide a bias answer, I don’t know the circumstances that led to the separation of a couple who had children. “AM JUST WONDERING WHY CAN'T WE JUST EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE DIVORCED and yes the bitterness is there why can't they just get along for the kids sack. Okay it didn't work out for some reason but why they have to act like school girl and boy who are in their teen years. It’s like they are enemies to each other. Where did all the good memories go? We should show the kids although mommy and daddy are no longer together. They can still be good friends and share the kids loving.” (Wow you do think like a westerner) Let me tell you why that happens on occasions and why it’s not common. 1) You had kids with your partner whom you have spend years with, and all of a sudden he/she wants a divorce (if it’s a woman, the man has to allow it…long story, check the Koran or ask your mommy). 2) You still harbor feelings of undying love for her/him, but they don’t return the feeling 3) Y’all don’t like each other, you did at one point but you fell right out of love because y’all annoy the hell out of each other that is the reason you separated. Every time you see each other, you are moved to curse at one another, or start an argument over little petty things. Wow,I must say,that was an incredibly long, but enlightening answer. I hoped I helped, if not, better luck next time.

Hi, I have recently been reviewing some articles here and there (just to kill time ), and I have yet to distinguish a single article based on the standpoint on the war on Iraq. I covet to know your outlook on it. Please feel free to comment, without a restraint on your part, on the aspect of this “Liberating” war.