Originally posted by Section6er um who is prince william? LOOOOOOOOl did the term PRINCE signify anyone remotly important at all???? If the answer is no then it is time to pick up your OXFORD CONCISE DICTIONARY and start leafing through it!! Good Luck . Sweet_gal well said sis I am hereby appointing you as the official spokes woman of this topic. Much obliged. ~QoxootiMammi~

This is a very interesting topic, and as a psychology student I can tell you that nature /nurture debates dominate the whole subject and come into everything. As far as this lady is concerned her theory sounds like a combination of Freud and the social learning theory of personality development, Kohlberg and moral development etc. Her whole view is based on case studies she recorded about her family and with psychology we know that one shouldn’t antropolise such researches to everyone. I believe that parents are really important in the upbringing of their kids. In fact the parents are the environment that supposedly shapes personality. According to the Social Learning theory children learn by direct tuition, this means that children observe and imitate same sex parents. Personality is also partly an innate characteristic. That is why for example research with identical twins never reports 100% results because even though they have identical gene makeup they are still different because they are two separate distinct people. In terms of peer relationships, some psychologists believe that children who engage mostly in peer orientation do so because they don’t get the adequate satisfaction at home. Therefore suggesting that parents are important and should be there for their children, otherwise the child would go and look for attention elsewhere. There is also the popular view in the West that adolescence is a time of conflict and despair and separating parent and child results in emotional breakdown. Therefore continuing love and support form the parent is an appropriate means of establishing this thrive for autonomy. Even though the Somali parents generally don’t acknowledge this, psychological care is by far more important than just physical care, which is only attending to basic needs such as feeding and clothing the child. The environment is important but it cannot be the sole explanation of the development of personality, Harris’s theory is an example of environmental reductionism. As rightly mentioned before human beings are complex organisms and their behaviour consists of complex interactions that is determined ultimately by Allah. QoxootiMammi

Shayma, what you say is true when we are using the concept of love in terms of the Somali community, but these are PSYCHOLOGICAL EXPLANATIONS so therefore they would be out of context when we are discussing Somali relationships in general. Although mind you these days even the nomads are seeking the four letter word within before tying any knots. Which can only be a good thing. ~QoxootiMammi~

How can you tell whether it's love or lust? People speak of “falling” in love as though it is some sort of accident, something that happens to them than some sort of process in which they actively participate. Can people actually define the exact feelings that they experience when “they are in love”? Is it possible to know physically the differences between the two abstract terms such as love and lust? I was seeking some answers and complied the below scenarios as a semblance of an answer. I would like to know what your theories are on this issue, fellow Nomads. Feel free to express yourself in any form and in any way . Q: What is the relationship between love and lust and do we often confuse the two? A:There are different emotional and physiological components to both love and lust. Romantic attraction and feelings of love for someone elevates our dopamine and serotonin levels, which causes feelings of elation and loss of appetite. When we get to the point of feeling attachment and a more long-term phase of love, our bodies generate more oxytocin (known as the "hormone of love"). Lust, sex drive and an appetite for sex can visit during this process and is generated by increased testosterone levels in both men and women. Heightened levels of testosterone inspire a feeling of focused attention and sexual arousal. Q :Is infidelity a natural phenomenon? A: We definitely have the circuitry to be adulterous. There are Darwinian reasons why cheating has evolved. If a man has two children with one woman and more children with another, more of his DNA will be present in the next generation, which includes the genes associated with adultery! It perpetuates itself. Q Who are more adulterous, men or women A:Roughly 25 percent of men and 15 percent of women will be adulterous during marriage. This is really hard to quantify, but it is fairly common in both sexes. What is interesting is that adultery seems to be decreasing. Q: That's surprising, why? A Possibly because both men and women are more independent and can leave an unhappy marriage more easily these days. We also find that men and women are marrying later, divorcing more and living longer, leaving them single for more of their adult lives. They are less adulterous as a result of spending less time married. Q: Do sex and love mean different things to men and women? A: Men are more inclined to have one-night stands, and women tend to connect love and sex to a greater degree. Women connect sex with romance and intimacy, while men focus more on body parts and functioning. What's interesting is that men tend to consider sex a more intimate act than women do. From an evolutionary standpoint, this makes sense because women are actually giving men a gift during copulation — the opportunity to spread his seed. It is also easier for women to find sexual partners. Q:Does age influence sexual interests? A: Young men have 10 times more testosterone in their early 20s, and this is the peak of their sex drive. It tends to level out after that. On the other hand, a woman's sex drive peaks in her late 20s and early 30s. As a result of decreased testosterone as men age, they tend to become more compassionate as their levels go down. Conversely, as a woman's oestrogen levels decreases with age, she will become more assertive. This has to do with the fact that the proportion of testosterone in a woman's system plays a larger role as the oestrogen decreases. Q: What role does attractiveness play in this love/lust equation? . A: There is evidence suggsting that highly attractive couples tend to divorce more — probably because they have more opportunities to form new relationships. In general, we tend to couple with people who have a similar level of attractiveness. We also find that men tend to fall for pretty faces, while women are highly attracted to men that can offer resources. From an evolutionary standpoint, this makes sense because men are looking to improve their gene pool while women are looking for men who will help to support their children.

That soo well documented nuune, too bad most Somalis only eat bariis, baasto iyo the occasional canjeero (laxoox). Will bear it in mind tho for when I am stuck for ideas to cook for ma farax . ~QoxootiMammi~

I was quite shocked to see this article on one of the news forums as I read in one of the national UK news papers not too long ago that the American nation was content with the justifiability of the war on Iraq. Yet there are whispers coming from the White House such as these below. So then I am wondering is Bush cracking underneath all that TOUGH TALK and Image? I know that Tony Blair and his Parliament are under political and public scrutiny as we speak. I hope the same can be said about Bush and his Jewish dogs soon....Amiin. "Top Democrat says Bush misled public over Iraq" A Democratic senator who is seeking his party's nomination to run for the White House has accused the US president, George Bush, of waging war against Iraq on the basis of questionable intelligence. John Kerry, who fought in Vietnam and backed the Iraq war, said Mr Bush's case had rested on at least two pieces of intelligence which now appear to be wrong - that Iraq sought nuclear material from Africa, and that Saddam Hussein had aerial weapons capable of a biological attack on the US. "He misled every one of us. That's one reason why I'm running to be president of the United States," he told a crowd in Lebanon, New Hampshire. "I will not let him off the hook throughout this campaign with respect to America's credibility and credibility to me, because if he lied he lied to me personally." But Mr Kerry said it was too early to conclude whether or not war with Iraq was justified. There needs to be a congressional investigation into US intelligence on Iraq, he said. He fielded several questions about Iraq from a small group of antiwar Democrats after he addressed about 250 people in a park. Mr Kerry, who has criticised the president's diplomatic efforts, said Mr Bush had also alienated US allies in the build-up to war ~QoxootiMammi~

Thank you OG_Moti mate for those wise words there. Every one seems confused. The film was the most degrading thing I have ever seen and one day those producers will be shot in the you-know-what area. In fact if I had the chance I would fly to the homes of those devils and perform this ritual right now . QoxootiMammi

Hope this help sis. The article is not based on "hoity toities" but on real evidence drawn from Islamic psychologists and philosophers. I thought it was really good anyway. (sorry about the length of it tho). Islam and Divorce -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- By: Sayyid Mujtaba Musavi Lari. The first point this chapter must make is that divorce is contrary to the laws of nature. The annulling of the marriage-bond and the separation of those who should be life-partners is a denial of the true nature of man as created and as at his best. Any society in which divorces become numerous, with the consequent break-up of families, evidences its deviation from nature and her requirements. Psychologists, jurists and sociologists, concerned by the effects of divorce on the moral and juridical personality of those involved, have gone deep into the subject, and given it as their considered verdict that the ejection of a man and wife, let alone the children, from the warmth of home-life into the cold unwelcome of any substitute establishment they may find, deals a mortal blow to their spirits and exposes their children to the onset of moral ailments and psychic traumas against which family life had immunised and protected them. These scientists further hold, almost to a man, that for these reasons divorce should be rendered practically impossible by severe sanctions, except in a few cases where some cause, generally from outside, like the onslaught of insanity or criminality, makes an exception to the rule. But what should be done in cases of irreparable breakdown of relationships? Must the partners stay in the hell they have made? Or may a way-out be found for them? Christianity says blankly. "No divorce!" But Islam more realistically faces the consequences of irreparable breakdown as a fact, and provides a way-out. Every possible safeguard is laid down in the statute book to prevent such a way-out by divorce being abused. But it is clear that the bankruptcy of the relationship is only worsened by forcing the partners to stick together; and their misery is only increased. Hence divorce, though stigmatised as " the most loathsome of states in the eyes of the Lord" is made possible when it is the better of two bad roads. It may even be that the very separation removes the cause of the irritation between man and wife, while the lapse of time in absence softens the hearts and recalls the good points which had been lost under the pains of discord; so that the couple seek reunion, and in some cases actually start the same partnership up again in pardon and joy. Since Islam's aim is the firm establishment of marriages, in the interests of this objective certain liberties are denied. The right of divorce is given to the man only, except in very exceptional cases. This is to safeguard the best interests of women and save them from falling victim to passions. Manifestly, if two people both have the right to institute divorce proceedings, the basis of confidence is made very shaky on both sides. What better safeguard can there be, therefore, than to give the right of divorce proceedings primarily to the one who has by nature more subjection to the powers of reason, and patience in the face of lack of tenderness; and who stands to lose the sum he has given as a marriage portion, as well as having to undertake the financial burdens of the children's upbringing? The differences in the constitution of a man and woman are manifest. The head takes first place in the man's decisions and the heart in the woman's. Reason and emotion are the gifts given to each respectively in their creation. As Dr. Alexis Carrel puts it: "The differences between men and women are, obviously, the physical ones : and then, less obviously, the internal ones like the dispositions of the nerves, the different mental and emotional talents, both of which are of supreme importance for the future of civilisation. Partisans of Women's Liberation aim at a false conception of equality,. as if that desirable condition meant precise similarity and identity in upbringing, employment, responsibilities and duties." ("Man, the Unknown" pp. 84-87). It is for these reasons that Islam's Feqh lays down: "Divorce is in the hand of the man." And it is in consideration of the woman's delicacy of spirit that the power of ending a shared life is not granted to her. Islam, in addition to the manifold measures it has taken to make it easier for people to enter the married state and start families, also makes it more difficult to break up the home. Everything possible is done to ensure happy sound home-life, for the sake of the family's members and of the society to which they belong. It is therefore that it is written in Sura IV: Nisa'a -"The Women", verse 19. "O men, live with your wives in kindness and equity. If you dislike anything in them, that may be the very point which God will use to bring about much blessing." In order to take away such feelings of dislike and prevent their turning to hatred, and to remove their discomfort, Islam awakens the man's conscience to live in kindness and equity with patience, and not to cast off a wife who is temporarily in disfavour, since it may be that goodness and blessing may come through those very wives; so that it would be ****** to end the relationship hastily. As is written in the same Sura IV Nisa'a -"The Women", verse 128: "If a wife fears cruelty or desertion on her husband's part, there is no obstacle to their arranging an amicable settlement between them for which the wife must renounce some of her rights. But if they return through reconciliation and peace through such unselfishness, such a settlement is better than separation and divorce." The same dislike of divorce, as the most detestable of extreme measures to be adopted only in the direst emergency, is advanced by all Islam's greatest jurist-consults and leaders, an attitude summed up in the sentence in the book "Mustadrak" (Vol. 3, p.2): "Any woman who seeks to be divorced from her husband, save in cases of extreme necessity, falls out of the grace and mercy of the Lord." Or again in Vol. 3 of the "Vassa'el" (p.144): "Enter upon matrimony. but do not divorce your wives, since divorce shakes the very throne Of God." Islam fences in the man's power of divorce with many limiting safeguards. A man may not put away his wife by violence, harassment, injury or in a way which may drive her to a life of immorality and corruption. Thus Islam has for centuries surpassed anything yet achieved in Western countries, in its initiative to remove differences and restore understanding in family life. This is particularly true of the family courts, where well-meaning relatives have a large say and everything is done to bring about reconciliation. Causes of differences are deeply studied; and, as relatives, they are able to go deep into confidential matters without either of the couple feeling that their private secrets are being exposed or their feelings excoriated in too public an ambience. When the causes of the difference have been brought into the light of day the members of the family court exert all their powers of sincerity and' heart and affection to bring about reconciliation and to quench the fires of temper, exhorting both sides to unselfishness, tolerance, and an effort to understand each other's point of view. Since both man and wife respect these elders and have full confidence in their compassionate affection, they frequently accept the family court' s recommendations for adjustments they should make in their relationships and behaviour towards each other. As it is written in Sura IV. Nisa'a-"The Women" (verse 35): "Should you fear that division will arise amongst them, appoint an arbitrator on the husband's side and an arbitrator on the wife's side from amongst their relatives and send them to them. As soon as they desire peace and reconciliation the Lord will vouchsafe it to them for He is all-knowing and all-wise." Should the causes and roots of the initiation of divorce proceedings prove to be too deep, so that there is an irreparable breakdown in marital relationships, and all the efforts of the relatives fail to bring about any sort of hope of reconciliation, Islam in its realism recognises that each party must take their own road. It must be plain that such a family court is far more likely to succeed than all the public courts of law or marriage guidance clinics. In fact these only too often, being strangers to the family and not privy to their inmost secrets, merely increase the rift, because of the clumsiness of their well-meaning efforts. A public court has the duty to hear the evidences produced by both sides; and then, in the cold dry heartless atmosphere in which only exact truth and not mercy or clemency reigns, decide which side has most right and give verdict accordingly. It has neither the heart nor the spiritual influence of relatives to press for reconciliation, and cure the causes of the quarrel. In the Qur'an, Sura LXV "Talaq" -"Divorce" ordains in verse 2: "Two just persons from amongst yourselves shall bear witness to the evidence before God when a divorce is settled." Without these two witnesses, there is no legal divorce. An advantage of their appointment is that they can exert every pressure of affection and wisdom to avert the final catastrophe for quite a period before reluctantly, if they have to do so, agreeing that there is no other way out. They frequently succeed in the better course. It is further laid down that no divorce may be made absolute save after the woman' s period of purification after menstruation or childbirth is completed. This need to wait awhile often proves a breathing-space in which the man's feelings of tenderness once more assert themselves over his irritations, and make him decide against divorce. Further when a man finds sharing his life with a particular woman wearisome and irksome and decides on divorce, this decision of his does not suffice in itself to end their living together not does it become effective until the expiry of the "Iddat", i.e. the period fixed by the Feqh during which a divorced or widowed woman may not be married to another man: and this period also gives a breathing-space which frequently results in the man's change of heart and decision to continue the married bond with the wife he planned to divorce. Finally, after the execution of the formalities for a "revocable divorce" (Talaq-i-raj') a man may not expel his wife from the home until the termination of the period of the "iddat" which may last anything up to three months, nor may the wife quit their joint home except in a desperately exceptional case during that period. As the Sura LXV "Talaq" "Divorce" enacts (verse 1): "You may not expel women from their houses, nor may they themselves quit, except if they have been proven guilty of some open lewdness (during the "iddat" period). These are limits set by God. Should any man transgress these limits he does so at the peril of his own soul, and to his own harm : for you know not whether God may bring about some new situation later (than the decision to divorce)." No formalities are necessary to abrogate a revocable divorce during these months. A mere indication of desire for renewal of the marriage relationship by the man suffices. Should the wife feel such hatred for her husband that she repays him the statutory portion of marriage settlement he had given her, or a portion of her own property, that counts as her divorcing him; but this type of divorce is revocable within the stated period, so that if she changes her mind, and her husband agrees, he can still take her back into their home. By these many means Islam safeguards the holy estate of matrimony from shipwreck on the rock of hasty decisions onto which emotional storms may drive some couples. Islam had also done much to protect the wife's rights and to save her from having to continue to live in an unhappy environment. Among beneficent measures are the following: 1. the wife can insert a clause in the marriage contract ensuring that (a) incompatibility of temperament (b) maltreatment © refusal of maintenance (d) unannounced journeys (e) the taking of another wife without consultation are so provided against that if any of the above five conditions is broken she can approach a lawyer to obtain a divorce for her through the courts. 2. the wife can make it impossible for her husband not to divorce her by being intolerably refractory, vexatiously shrewish or deliberately incompatible in relationships, familial, sexual or social; 3. the wife can resort to the courts if the husband has been incapable or negligent in supplying her with maintenance or has put obstacles in the way of her obtaining it ; or if either partner deprives the other of conjugal rights or fails in marital duties; the Muslim Qadhi, if the woman' s plea is proved, can compel the husband to treat her right, to be reconciled, to disburse the proper sums, to confer her rights upon her in every form : and if the husband proves recalcitrant, or refuses to obey the judge's orders, the judge can then compel him to divorce his wife; 4. the wife can enter a plea in the Islamic court and obtain an injunction if the husband accuses her of lewdness, unchastity or unfaithfulness, or denies his own paternity of her child : if the husband cannot prove his case the judge will order the husband to separate himself from his wife in accordance with the relevant legislation; 5. the wife may, in the case of intolerable revulsion or aversion, in a simple fashion bring about a discontinuance of their union by renouncing a large part of her marriage portion, while freeing her husband from his obligation to pay her alimony during the "Iddat" breathing-space period; 6 the wife, if the husband absents himself so that no news of him reaches her and she falls into financial or other difficulties, can resort to the courts and request a divorce. the judge will then perform the necessary formalities to annul her marriage contract. It is written in Sura II: "Baqara" -"The Heifer" (verse 229): "A divorce is only permissible twice : after that the parties should either hold together in equity or separate in kindness. It is not lawful for you men to take back from your wives any of that portion which you have given them except when both parties fear that they would be unable to keep the God-ordained limits. If you judges have reason to fear that the parties will be unable to keep the God-ordained limits, so decree, for there will be no blame on either of them if she hands over a sum in exchange for her freedom. These limits are God-ordained so do not transgress them since that is to wrong yourself as well as others." In the "Exegetical Collection" it is related in Volume I on page 167 that Ibn Abbas reported that Jameelé, wife of Thabit bin Qais, sought audience of the Prophet and complained to him: "O Apostle of God! I cannot stand one moment more of life with Thabit bin Qais, nor shall my head ever rest again on the same pillow as his." After a pause she added : "I am not accusing him of a lack of faith or of moral and marital virtues: but I am afraid that I myself will fall into infidelity and blasphemy if I have to spend another minute with him. I turned up the tent-skirting and my eye fell on my husband in the middle of a crowd of other men. He looked so ugly, a black-avised, dwarfish runt, and I hated him, and I can't go on. ...!" She ran on thus, and the Prophet, after absorbing her outpouring, tried to advise and admonish her, but she paid him no heed. So he sent for Thabit bin Qais and laid the situation before him. Thabit was deeply attached to Jameelé, but self-sacrificingly and for her sake agreed to take back the marriage portion he had settled upon her - a beautiful garden - and give her a khul' divorce. There are cases in which resort to the court by the wife is statutory. There are also cases in which she can divorce her husband without legal aid, as in cases of certain grave chronic diseases like leprosy or elephantiasis; or because of the onset of lunacy, or of physical defects which prevent marital intercourse, like impotence or castration of the husband. For these Feqh gives the wife haqq-i-faskh - the right to the rescinding or annulment of the marriage, which "faskh" is not the same as the khul' divorce, and does not involve the same financial renunciations by the wife as khul' does. Germany and Switzerland, in Europe, also recognise lunacy as grounds for the annulment of a marriage or for separation. France does not admit either grave chronic disease or lunacy as an adequate ground, and insists that the healthy spouse must care for the leprous or lunatic partner. Undoubtedly such longsuffering and lovingkindness is highly praise worthy. while extolling it as a counsel of perfection, Islamic realism prefers to leave the partners free to choose separation or continued care, according to their own conscience. The West is suffering terribly from the laxity it has allowed in the break-up of marriages and the violently increasing incidence of divorce. These disasters are really reactions to over-pressure by the churches, which prohibited and condemned divorce one hundred percent for many centuries, while the secular governments gave recognition to it. For instance, divorce was totally prohibited in France until the French Revolution of October 1789. In 1804, in response to popular demand, divorce was legalised; but in the following 12 years it increased so appallingly that the religious bodies brought renewed pressure to bear, until in 1816 the law legalising divorce was rescinded though physical separation of the parties was permitted. However, public pressure built up again so much that in 1884 divorce within certain limits was legalised once more. Here follow the conditions on which in Western lands divorce for wife and husband was legal until recent times: 1. a criminal act committed by either party which involves the penalty of life-imprisonment, exile, loss of civil rights or temporary imprisonment with hard labour. 2. physical violence, mercenary prostitution, and a few other similar criminal acts of the one partner against the other. 3. adultery by either partner - though in such cases the wife has the right of divorce only if the man commits adultery with another woman in the house which belongs to his wife and himself. The following is the road by which a wife's infidelity was proved : note it well! "The infidelity of a wife must be proved completely in the eyes of the police. The wife or the husband plan to be in different places for however a short time. They must agree about some third person to be cited as co-respondent and this person must be prepared to undertake this service. And then at the stated hour the wife must be caught in flagrante delictu with the third party', and the husband must have the police on the spot to catch her out and so prove her infidelity. Thus the police accompany the husband to the trysting-place; and when they catch the wife in flagrante delictu this is accounted adequate grounds for her husband divorcing her." (The Law of Divorce and Renewal of Marriage p.99). See what a mass of further impurities the impurity which wrought the need for divorce in the first place has carried in its train. And this is the "civilised" world of the West, which allows women entry into public and political life, and with the other hand takes away her honour, her femininity and the high standards which it should be her privilege to set, and turns her chastity into a mercenary bargaining-point. It must be admitted that since I first put pen to paper on this matter, efforts have been made in many Western lands to eradicate the worst of these abominations. America makes divorce easier for both parties. It is not surprising, therefore, that American divorce figures are the highest of all. The wise tremble at the results : the wisdom of Islamic dispositions shines by contrast like the sun in darkness. At a conference in Strasburg, statistics of one year's divorces which could be attributed to the overwhelming desire of wives to be "in the fashion" "a la mode", "comme il faut" and to "keep up with the Joneses" in modernity of garb and guise were quoted as being: 1. in France, 27% of all divorces; 2. in Germany, 33%; 3. in Holland, 36%; 4. in Sweden, 17%. Not every Parisienne is an excessive slave of fashion. Nonetheless it is reckoned that the costs of unnecessary purchases made by women simply to keep up with "mode" come to no less than 5,000 tomans per head (£300-£400 per head per annum). Yet all this expenditure adds nothing to the woman's natural beauty, moral stature, ease of spirit or calm mind! European statesmen, and responsible thinkers everywhere, are well aware of the danger, and fear it acutely. All who possess the slightest sense of philanthropy must seek the means of stemming the sweeping tide of this flood of evil through the world. Islam offers its regulations on family life, matrimony, and the respective positions of men and women, as a way which all nations might do well to follow remembering that it was a Westerner Voltaire, who said: "The Prophet Muhammad reduced the unlimited harems of unfortunate women maintained by pre-Islamic potentates to a maximum of four wives: and his legislation on marriages and divorces is the most noble and effective ever conceived, formulated and enacted by any authority at any time in the world's history, religious, political or social."

loooooool, Qoxootimammi is just being tru to her roots...sidaas ayaa loobahanyah dee..lol ...and about the addiction effect this place has on us nomads...you're right admitting is half the problem concurred... ~QoxootiMammi~

Welcome Entrepreneur and have a nice stay, try not to become an addict...lol..cos I already am. Thinking on going on Somaliaonline rehab soon ..lol... ~QoxootiMammi~

Why thank you Rudy bro, for your wise (and most of all ACCURATE words)....I do try... ~QoxootiMammi~

QoxootiMammi- girl dont you know its your RELIGIOUS right not to be responsible for the finances in a marriage? Ok..take a min to let that sink in. Malikah sis, thanks for the concern, but I KNOW my religion. I also know that some women take full advantage of this aspect of Islam and make their potential husband suffer severe financial debt. It is xaraam to live off welfare and tax payers money while Allah has given you the ability to take care of yourself. Unfortunately, this is not the case in my community. What I am talking about is sharing the responsibilities because it is not fair for the husband to be the sole payer of all the charges, and besides, I LIKE being able to provide for myself. the income you get from yo job..is yours. So-in case of anything-why not put your money aside in a seperate account? I do that anyway ~QoxootiMammi~

I'm scaring you?? Yeah, well thats my special treat for annoying circus renegades... Last advice...quit while you're NOT ahead...aint got nothing against you, so lets leave it at this.... ~QoxootiMammi~

Az for u being invited to a wedding u dont even kno...cajaaib ..war nimanyohoo somalidhaa shekadhodhaa yaa naa gachochiyaa... ( ma somali a bit ruff on tha edges..sorry for the outburst pple.) qoxooti u kno wha i mean dhee.. looool, nadhee I most certainly do know what you mean. And yes, you best recognize wif somaliga bakoorada aad ladaceysid, abologies accebted....looolz... ...That is why you are me bestest friend..... (sorrey bout the esbelling mistakes, alpha you triggered me off lassie) Big up all ma Londoners.... MZ Alpha you missing out on nuff ting gwanin on ere...ya get me tho?? You'se the one that ran out on us, and da manor is bare quiet wifout u, ya get me?? Ya missin us tho, innit? I can hear it when you're cracking them dry-arse American jokes...looool... Still got love for you tho ~QoxootiMammi~

My favourite pet is a male in a cage, especially when I get to poke him with the live wire... ...the colours he turns make him look so cute... ~QoxootiMammi~

The points that you have brought up are all very valid, but allow me to put a different twist on the sheekoo... In my opinion most Somali weddings are a completely disorganised 'shindig' where no one seems to know what is going on, let alone the bride and groom. (This is from a reliable, impartial source: the videos I have watched ) Personally I dont see anything wrong with spending serious money if the funds are available and you dont have to get up on Monday morning inaad buuga ceerdha sariiftid... The unfairness of the situation arises as you rightly said sis, when the man is the sole payer and the woman is the lady of leisure. If the responsibilities were shared, then maybe the pressure and anxiety would not fall on one person alone. This would contribute toward a healthy relationship. Just today, I got approached by some Xaliimoo from down the road with an invitation to a wedding. The funny thing is, I dont even know this girl, classing her as an acquaintance would be a true insult as far as I am concerned. Yet she has the decency to 'invite' me to a wedding. This is where the 'negativity' issue comes in. At Somali weddings, 80% of the guests have no clue who the bride and groom are, and have only come along to get free bariis iyo hilib. All this 'faffing about' behind the bride's and groom's backs can be avoided if you only invite TRUE friends. If I had the funds, and Insha'Allah one day I will, I would most certainly pay a considerable amount for my BIG DAY. The guest list would be monitored and I most definitely would not invite more than 100 people. Thus a very private occassion. PS: To the Somali brothers: the statistics of Somali sisters who turn into financial leeches once the word 'wedding' is mentioned, is continuously dwindling, and more world-wise ladies are appearing. So, gentlemen, look for the few Gems that are emerging beneath the rubble... ~QoxootiMammi~

looooooool @ camden town by alpha...u must be joking gurl, them neon-coloured clothes do my head in!! ...how about North-London? Better yet, Tottenham & Islington (Highbury)! Personally, I'd like to live in high-tech badiyoo... Is there such a thing? ~QoxootiMammi~

Mz-alpha, sis, thank you for the compliments-I know you got my back-and the true words...love always... Shujui-1 I have no objections with that Somehow I didn't think you would ...but then, I imagine no one would with this type of arrangement...although, its not to please anyone; its simply the way I feel. Clown: QoxootiMammi, are you married? i guess we'll only know the day you gonna get married if you already didn't! and trust me i'll go up to your husband and ask him if you've contributed anything for this cause financially! in the mean time you can say whatever you wanna say but this Clown won't be convinced that easily! My dear brother, it seems to me you are sadly deluded. Perhaps you have been surrounded by worthless people all your life and so do not recognize real strength of character when you see it. So please do not generalise--individualise. Clown: so QaxootiMammi is called Nasra huh? it sounds hippy but she talks like an old school whaz up with that girl? And might I ask-who the hell is Nassra? Because it sure aint me. Old School? Au contraire, Old Schoolers were confirmists, whereas I am a breed by myself... Clown, dear brother, for future reference: stop being so closed to new ideas, or people who propose those ideas, because no matter how smart you are (or claim to be), there is always something that you haven't explored yet. PS: I am not married, though I severely doubt you would get an invitation to my (future) wedding...with that patronising attitude you seem to sport so willingly ~QoxootiMammi~

I have iilkoo dhadheer iyo bidhaar loof Oops, u said only one thing...but they come hand in hand! ~QoxootiMammi~

Well a very interesting article, Shujui-1, thank you for bringing it to our attention. America has the worst human rights policy, however much they try and portray them selves otherwise. This is quite obvious by the amount of hatred, misconduct and complaints that can be unearthed if one scratches just beneath the surface. The US hatred towards Islam is majorily caused by the great influence and presence of the Jews in their government. The Jews 'settlement' in the US is soo strong that this ethnic minority can 'move and shake' bounderies. The war on Iraq for example -with the "elimination of weapons of mass destruction" theme (and the issue of the counteries resources i.e. oil), was I believe one of Israel's and its followers conspiracy, the endless killings and the unauthorised residency of Arab-Palastian ground, an another. This latter is happening underneath American so called peacekeepers/makers and no one from their office is bothered to stop this because it does not provoke interest amongst those evil figures who are allowing these atrocities to be carried out in the first place. The leaders of America are gravely misguided, and if they do not take a serious look through their policy, many more of these same atrocities will be commited. The rising of an Anti American state is not a desirable phenomena, to say the least. But the signs are pointing in that direction, due to all the hostility amongst the Islamic World and the West that America is stirring up. Bush: the "Terrorist Slayer"...May Allah protect us from his evil grip and harmful ways...Amiin ~QoxootiMammi~

Innocent: QoxootiMammi i totally disagree with you on this notion, Independent women bool crap, I personally don't want to pay my share of the wedding it's a MAN'S job he should be able to pay it, he should be the soul provider for EVERYTHING Don't want to worry about money, the kids should be my job (them soliders) I know call me old fashion or whatever that's just me. Innocent sis, without sounding harsh, do you think I made this up? This is what I truly believe. Free will dictates you can do whatever you want, but personally I want to be able to say "I dont depend on my man, I make my own DOUGH!" P.S. Have a back up plan just incase things don't work out between you and your husband (example degree in college/univ) That is exactly what I meant with being an Independent Woman: getting that degree and the high-paying job with it. Like I said, my future-husband will not have to pay for everything; we'll have a shared union...like it should be. ~QoxootiMammi~

QaxootiMammi, i'm sorry to disappoint you but i don't take that serious what the GAALADA has to say! Galaada wa maxay, waryaa? :confused: ?? I'm Somali incase you hadn't noticed and the term "Independent Woman" was referring to Somali Sisters who are willing to pay for their share of the wedding. And as I am one of those sisters I found it quite offensive when a brother participates in jumping to conclusions and uncalled-for-criticisms. Beyonce was just an example, so lets not start a gossip war ~QoxootiMammi~

coz you know being a Clown doesn't pay that well! LOOL, I’ am sensing a change of career won’t be out of place here! Clown, it seems to me that you are holding on to old prejudices and long standing stereotypes. Does the term “independent woman” mean anything to you apart from Beyonce shaking her booty?! No? Well step out of 1534 and into 2003; there are many Somali sisters who are prepared to share the responsibilities of organising a spectacular bonanza wedding. Nevertheless I appreciate your concerns regarding this issue as there is a constantly decreasing number of Somali sisters who do want the man to be the chief payer, while they become ladies of leisure. Such individuals might have a different agenda for getting married in the first place, apart for the obvious one which is LOVE, cos remember if you love someone you are not going to put them through unnecessary financial stress that can be avoided other wise or anything that would result in anxiety and relationship breakdown. do you honestly want me to believe that somali girls pay their share of the expeneses? Oh, and another thing bro, try not to generalise as this can have negative consequences for the future. Perhaps if you widened your horizons you wouldn’t have to deal with such unscrupulous characters. In this case the grass is greener on the other side… Well, good luck and if you think your partner is not satisfactory then don’t spend your Bill££ on them ~QoxootiMammi~

you mean WHAT DO SOMALI WOMEN WANT? 1-they want you to marry her after two dates. 2-the phattset wedding in the whole country. 3-a lot of DAHAB(our bling bling). 4-a certain somali artist to sing an AMMAAN 4 her. 5-an expensive house hold. 6-and many many many more.... at the end of the day it all comes down to DOLLAR DOLLAR BILSS$$$$$$ Y'ALL. gotta go to the musqusha. i'll be back. Clown, you made me laugh.... almost :rolleyes: Bruv if these are your true assumptions then I suggest you go and try dating outside the Xalimoo's cos a real woman would have the Dolla Billz herself and she wouldn't need no...er...CLOWN (shall we say) to pay for her... ...just a suggestion... ~QoxootiMammi~

hahahaha the song's bare funny, heard it ages ago and I am just cracking up... LoOoOoOL @ the Americans who dont get this... dont worry you still got 50 cent's version ~QoxootiMammi~