Opinionated nice post sis. I am also progressive Muslim apparantly. Flying Still: But I'm saying its important that you make your conclusions from islam....alot of people follow the sheikhs blindly. . Couldn't agree more there sis. I don't take their word for it. I am sure that there is a certain element of truth in what they say, However I have always believed that I should personally read about Islam in my own time and pace. I believe that is much more beneficial to my level of understanding of the concept of Islam.

^^^Oh dear, Is that how you saw it, That wasn't my intention really... :rolleyes: But you have to admit the majority here speaks for the minority.

Thank you very much for that article Flying Still, it was interesting. I just never realised that AIDS was an issue back home. I thought those people all knew where they stood in life having direct access to religion. But guess I was wrong. But thanks anyway darling, that was very informative.

Ordinary Hobbies: Reading, doing all kinds of sports,shopping and cooking whenever time allows. Extraordinary Hobbies : Writing articles and hopes to have her own column as a Business/Financial editor in either the Times or the Guardian Newspapers in the future. Other than that I like...SLEEPING, in fact must get back to that now....:YAWNS: LOL @ Batuulo, you have just won yourself a few admirers

Barwaaqo darling couldn't agree with you more on that. It seems to me that the only people who complain in this forum are the men. I personally am sick of all the stand by Sheiks(rejects of life more like) in this place, who as soon as a sister says something 'controversial' are at hand to 'help out and educate'. :rolleyes: . Nothing wrong with that you would think : IF they would help that is. But they're not!!!! :rolleyes: Flying still, you tell him girl, That is what I call ignorance, not willing to consider the other individual's point of view..... But that is most Somali men for ya.....

^^^ Wardi, wow, am I reading right? A somali bro commending us? :eek: :eek: :eek: I am truly shocked!! Thank you, you are obviously a good and smart man, your wife is lucky! Keep up the good work, and feel free to fill us in on those good men you know!!! *points at herself* . Flying-still, anytime sis, If we don't stick together what will become of us?

Now I know I am a bit late with this response, but WOW that was very interesting Sophist. What a talent Masha'allah. Thanks for that .

Originally posted by Raxmah: Asalamu alaikum May allah take this suffering from the child and and the family. May allah help the family keep their imaan despite the difficult situation. May allah bless the suffering children with health and imaan. Amiin, as sister Flying Still said it is in Allah's hands, what He has writen would happen in the end. Please keep us updated on how it progresses.

*MAROON* You are intelligent, and know what's right. You like to make things go your way, which can sometimes cause trouble for not thinking about other people's feelings. But you be patient when it comes to love.. Once you get a hold of the right person, it's hard for you to find a better love. The first bit is true,spot on as they say, but I am not quite sure about the second bit...

lool, thanks for trying ladies. Athena darling don't worry, *pats her on the back* it's okay! . I don't know any different either...lol.. Flying still, thank you sis, I loved your signature aswell...yours is funny AND true at the same time .LOL @ Monica, the woman seriously suffers from obsessive compulsive disorder and needs to get help..lol.. harmonyangel all this talk of nothingness is doing me head in..lol.. Humans have labelled EVERYTHING, effectively ruining "the nothing" by already labelling it. Well we have to label things in order to make life easier for our selves. Surely humans can't just call objects just "things". We have to able to identify it. For example I am now on a computer, typing this reply. How can I possibly carry this task out if I don't know what everything is called. (does that make sense?...hmm) I know what you are saying about 'labelling', because that can be negative as in being racially abusive towards someone from another nationality. But unfortunatly that is the direction the wind has to blow

Flying still, Barwaaqo,Juxa and Athena - tanag yuu fery fery much . Sisters I adore your views and opinions aswell. Well done and keep up the good work!! VIVA SOMALI WOMEN!!

Try this: Close your eyes and imagine that there are three bubbles in front of you. Now pop the one on the left. Now pop the one on the right. Now pop the one in the middle. And for that moment when all the bubbles have been popped... what were you thinking of? A black space? A colour? For that second, are we thinking about nothing?

(btw I hear you're being resurrected can't wait to see the discovery channel special!). CM, thanks for that! . But I dont actually have access to that, if you find a relative article, dont hesistate to forward it! Much obliged, Nefertiti

Very interesting article, thanks for that, Ameenah. However I found that it lacked perspective. It also seemed to muddle up many issues and didn’t have a clear flow. She dresses like Carol Vorderman, How does Carol Vorderman dress anyway? This is sooooo sad. What a dreadful comparison :rolleyes: . We were both enthusiastic about the prospect of building a family,’ recalls Shakur. The future looked bright. They knew each other intimately, although the relationship between Muslims precludes sex before marriage. Look at the amount of contradiction and hypocrisy here :mad: . Ali, a devoutly religious man If he was such a religious man, then why did he sleep with her before they got married? I think the reporter was biased toward the man’s view, and this biased opinion was reflected throughout the article. The usage of religion whenever it is suitable is appalling. You take the good with the bad, is it not? You dont choose which parts of religion to apply whenever necessary and abandon Islam the next moment. Unfortunately, this is what seems to happen more and more. What we need to do as a nation is analyse why such behaviour occurs in the first place. People are always quick to point fingers at each other, but unfortunately that is not a solution to the moral dilemma that our community is facing at the moment. The blame lies not with one nor the other, but rather both. The Somali people cannot say the men are the only cause of the problem here. Let’s look at it like this: if a child plays with matches, and no one tells the child to stop, will he/she? In the same way, the Somali men have not been stopped chewing Khat and going to the mafrish, and have not been shown how to look after their wives and families. Therefore it is the women who are permitting such behaviour and all of a sudden when they have come to Europe or America they want Somali men to show some humanitarian emotions because of the circumstances. Well that is not going to happen over night. It will take a long time for Somali men to reform. London is one of the most expensive cities in Europe and in order to survive there you need to have a remote income. However 99% of the Somali families in the UK live off state benefits. It seems to me there is entirely too much emphasis on the woman working. Tell me; is it not a sin to claim benefit when one is fully capable of working? These men are so willing to jump and use religion as a means of justifying their wrong doings where in principle that is not how our Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) lived or how Allah told us to live. The bottom line is that the so-called ‘Western culture ‘ is not to blame for our miss fortune. There is the lack of education in our society and the issue of ignorance. No Somali person can identify what the Western culture really is. Everything that deviates from what Somali people do is seen as Western, which is completely wrong. I don’t think there is anything wrong with women going to school/college/university to further their career and their potential. This would benefit their children as well as the mother is able to support her kids with their homework. I would definitely work and also expect my husband to pull his weight around the house. You don’t study for over a decade for nothing. So dont lay the blame just at the women’s feet. If we all pull together and start acting as a nation rather than a sad bunch of people thrown together, then maybe we might come out of this stupor without too many scratches. But as it stands, we sadly fail as a nation.

Ameenah: Nefertiti lol@ We accept Visa. I think, ya'll own me $20 for sharing that with ya card details, to my PM. LOL! 'Ang on, there seems to be something wrong here! I suggested the business idea, so where's MY CUT, sis? I need a part of this, I've got an ayeeyo to support back home!! 20 dollars??? Bit cheap, innit? ~~~Nefertiti~~~

Clown: Hoyaalayeey Hoyaalayeey Hoyaalayeey Hooooooyeeeee! now i hope you gonna understand what that means and if you don't then i will repeat it again Hoyaalayeey Hoyaalayeey Hoyaalayeey Hooooooyeeeee! now got it? Come again???? Was I supposed to understand that ???? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: . Don't forget I am not a Clown. Gediid, my intention was not to generalise, you are right: intelligence depends on the individual. Nefertiti

Flying-still: I think under the right circumstances you can fall in love with anyone. Maybe. But, this still sounds experimental to me. So sis, may I ask if you think that love can be created? Laboratory wise? Its a state of mind. I agree. This suggests that love is - and remains - an illusion. It's all in your head.

Proud Sista, Good Question...I think a lot of girls wonder about this...but you gotta know it's highly unlikely that a brother nowadays is still a virgin (and by brother I mean one who's grown!). Its one of the sad catch-22s of the Somalian behaviour. I've always found that girls stick far more to the rule of "no sex before marriage" (or anything else for that matter) whereas men seem to have this need of proving themselves, so they start to "get laid" far earlier. Apparently it is in their genes, with their testosterone levels making them "horny" which makes them have sex earlier. It's also got to do with the Social Learning Theory; it's more "acceptable" for a man to get freaky, than for a woman. Talking about bloody double standards :rolleyes: . Still, neither of these are a valid excuse to break religion rules and go humping around! But everyone has to answer to Allah on judgement day. LOOOOL @ Barwaaqo and Ameenah, I think both of you should get a deal to sell the idea of the "bull-detector" . I'm sure you'd make a fortune!!

^^^ LOOOOOOOOL ^^^, True, our whole ideology is reversed. Talking about being backwards :rolleyes: . Darman, are you so bored??? Go read a book, my friend. Further your knowledge. . Just a sisterly advice .

Ladies, thanks for taking the time to read it, I saw it on a Nomads web site and thought it was interesting to share it with the rest of y'all. So cheers . Og_Moti: the question should be ARE WOMEN SMARTER THAN MEN? the answer is big NO good story Moti this is not the One Million Dollar question, so there is NO need in wasting your breath like that..... But glad you liked it anyway . but it seems it is made up story... Yes Moti, good boy...that is where the title Folkstory comes in.... BUUMAAYEE: i don't agree wit you totaly coz what you wrote here dosen't make sence at all. by means i don't have time to read this. There is nothing wrong with disagreeing with some one, that keeps our brain cells all healthy. What gets on my nerves is how ignorant you are. You see, what part of FOLKSTORY don't you understand????? :rolleyes: . It is not real. Plus if you don't have any time to read it how do you know that it doesn't makes sense?? Are you psychic or something....errrrrr... I DOUBT IT. For future reference you read the whole post and then comment and also check your spelling. Had a hard time desiphering your reply. so make up your mind and try to write something that we can injoy to read We, who is we??? I didn't see anyone appointing you Somalia Online Spokes Man, so please speak for your self in the future.

^^^^ :rolleyes: :mad: :rolleyes:

This is a well-known folk tale which tells the truth Enjoy ladies and gentlemen. OSMAN'S LESSON Once upon a time, there lived a women named Amina and her daughter, Jamila. One day, Amina was on her way to the market when she passed the store of Osman. On the window of his shop, Osman put a sign which read : "Men are created smarter than women". Amina could not believe Osman would put up such a sign, so she entered the store to complain. "Excuse me, but surely you know the sign is not true!" asked Amina. "Oh yes, it is indeed true. Men are smarter than women. You women are good at having children but leave the important matters to us." Osman confidently assured. "If you don't take down that sign by tomorrow, you'll be sorry." Amina warned. "Ha ha ha!" laughed Osman, " What could you possibly do, you're just a woman!". "You'll see just how smart we women are!" On her way home, she began thinking of the best way to teach Osman a lesson. As she passed the palace of King Hassan, the idea came in a flash. She rushed home to tell her daughter, Jamila, about her brilliant plan. The next day, Jamila entered Osman's shop on a mission of which he knew nothing. Already a beautiful girl, she had on her best clothes and perfume. Osman, who had never met Jamila, wondered who this mysterious lady was. She purchased a couple of items and engaged in small conversation with Osman. On her third visit to his store, Osman finally asked who she was. "I am Sulekha, daughter of King Hassan." Jamila exclaimed. "Impossible! The King's daughter is paralyzed and he never lets her out of the palace." "That is what my father wants everyone in the kingdom to think. He wanted to protect me from men who want to marry me for only for my beauty and wealth." "I would like to marry you for who you are Sulekha. Is that possible?" "Oh yes, it is possible, but you have to follow my instructions carefully." "Anything for you Sulekha" promised Osman. Jamila went on to explain to Osman that when he went to the palace to ask for her, he must act as if he thinks she is paralyzed. That way, she assured, the King will assume Osman wants her for reasons of love. The next day, Osman rushed to seek an audience with King Hassan. After a long wait, he was finally ushered into the King's office. "Your highness, it is with great respect that I come to ask for your daughter." "Are you willing to marry my daughter, even with her condition? asked the King. "Yes, I do. I will to take care of her and give her all that she asks." Osman promised. "Very well, the wedding ceremony will take place in one weeks time." In preparation for the wedding, Osman spent the next week purchasing all types of silks and fabric. Eagerly awaiting the arrival of his young bride, he ordered his first wife to move into the smaller room to be shared with their small children. He even suggested she move in with her mother for some time. After the wedding ceremony, Osman was taken to the princess' room where he was told his new bride was waiting for him. He saw Sulekha sitting on the bed draped in a beautiful veil. When he lifted the veil, to his surprise he saw the face of a woman, paralyzed, who he had never met. "Who are you? Where is Sulekha?" shouted Osman. "What are you talking about? I am Sulekha." cried the princess, who was now very distraught. Osman realized he had been deceived and was now stuck in a very difficult position. He could not go to the King and ask for a divorce, that might result in jail time or worse. So he told his new bride he had to go and prepare the house for her arrival. He left and went directly to his house to ponder a way out of this situation. Then a knock came at his door. When he opened it, he saw Amina and Jamila. "How could you do something like this to me?" cried Osman. "I did warn you about taking down that sign, and you ignored me." Amina explained. "You have to get me out of this marriage!" Osman demanded. "If men are so much smarter than women, then why are you asking me for help?" Osman stubbornly refused to acknowledge that men are not smarter than women, so Amina and Jamila left his house. He asked for advice from some of his friends and no one could come up with a solution. Several days later, Osman ran into Amina and Jamila in town center. He begged Amina to help him find a way out of his predicament. She agreed to help him, with the following demands: "Before we help you, you must permanently take down your sign and for one week, replace it with another sign stating woman are smarter than men" explained Amina. "Anything. I'll do anything" pleaded Osman. Following Amina's advice, Osman opened a haircut parlor for men in his store. Soon, it got back to the King that his son-in law was now a haircutter. He called Osman to the palace right away. "I thought you owned a shop in town?" asked the King. "I do, but now I have decided to become a haircutter." "You can't be a hair cutter and be married to my daughter. I want you to divorce my daughter at once!" In an instant, Osman was a free man. He took down his sign and never again doubted the intelligence of women. Nefertiti

Well done brother Jabarti and hopefully more Somali communities across the world would follow your example soon.

And I don't feel good bout that NOW what does that tell you? Sis, to cut the long thing, If you don't like it DON'T DO IT. There are plenty of Faraxs in the sea . ~~~Nefertiti~~~

For the nine months I carried you, burped and cleaned you, for you my son there is no charge! For the eighteen years I fed you, clothed and nursed you, there is no charge. However, Now that you're out of school you'd better get a job, and don't be a slob. And I better not ever catch you trying to rob. Later on I want a new Mercedes, A new home, And a large checking account, with an unlimited amount.