BISMILAH, i PRAY God to guide us al to the truth and right path of islam. islam is one religone depite the exsitance of many sect among the muslim umha. I HAve read the argument of groud advocate the salafism, in fact salafism exist in many form and no one can be quite sure which one of them is salafi. the fact of the matter is that they all interpreted the holy quran and prophet's sunah according to their on agendas. the mister of education of saudi calaims to be a salafi while he is well aware the corruptions and misusing of puplic funs by his own royal family.!!! islam is not a shirt anyone can wear it when he likes and remove it when he wishes. it is a priciples and fundmentals followed and obyed by those who beilef in God. we are muslim and we love all those declare themselves MUSLIM regardless of their intentions or their names,whether shiat,ashcariyah,wahabiyah,salafiyah khalifiyah e.t.c , someone there ( i think ukhti muslim) claimed that salafis are those who are upon what the prophet and his companion were !!! I will rephrase it salafs are those who are upon what the prophet was and follow the quran.i ommited the "companion" becuse we are well aware of what happened between the sahabs. if we follow mucawiyah, that means being dictator,royalism,suppression and so on.the current culture of royalism and dictatorship in the muslim midleast countries is resulted from the interpretation of histroy of sahabs, Sahabs were human they did great things but also did alot mischieves.we need to redefine the term "SAHABS" that is for the scholars not for me. we advocate the unity of muslim wherever they are whoever they are. that is islam.

the widely circle newspaper newyorktime has put for the grand ayatolahi cali sastani's name for nobel prize this year. the newspaper said sastanis's role of democrtisation in middles is simply can not be ignored. www.newyorktimes.com

With Shiites expected to take the lion share of the 275-seat National Assembly, their top religious leaders on Sunday, February 6, demanded that the new constitution must clearly stipulate that Islam be the sole source of legislation. http://www.islamonline.net/English/News/2005-02/06/article05.shtml

african you made a valid point. however, i think everyone here recognises that islam can not be leveled with man-made sytems of governance.everyone also understands that holy quaran and sunah as the main guiders of our daily live needs to be interpreted according to our understanding capacity. So lets not talk about Democracy and talk about the political aspect of Islam, the part “How should a Muslim leader come to be� 1. Can I as a Muslim citizen have the right to choose who should lead me, do I have a say or nor? 2. Do I have the right to vote him out of office? Please answer the above question with YES or NO. the aswer of your questions will hugely depend on understanding and interpretation of quaran and sunah.if say no ie as muslim citizen have no right to choose who lead you then you understand well may be that muslim leader are God choosing and no one can challenge them, that is what is use to be and still is in some countries in muslim. royal families in the past used QADAR as tool to suppres the muslim citizens, it was a famous word " a takhlacu qamiisan qamasaka allahu" said by marwan. this sort of interpretation divided muslim into groups and sects and mark dark dot in the heart of muslim history.it classfies the muslim into first class and second as it is now in most of arab countries. if on the other hand say yes ie you have the right o choose who lead you as muslms citizen then you need to think of suitable ways that will not be contradictory to the teaching of islam.

this is my personal view, democracy has many forms, it means that people of a country has the last vote. it mean elected rulers are acountable to the people who elected them. now does islam gives such power to the people ? to answer the above question we must remind ourseleves that the age of holiy prophet is over, after him no one is holy.as ibnu malik said " everyone's word can be taken or threw away except the prophet". if there are no holy people among the moslims and the holy book is subject to the explanation of unholy scholars who cuased so much pain and division among the msulim, what shall we do? remember guys even the sunah is not agreed upon, becuase we do not agree if all the sahabs are justice in arabic cuduul or not. the only way possible solve and end the tyranny in muslim world is to give full power to the peole , majoratity counts , people should elect assemply and that assemply must be islamicly qualified people who have knowledge of islam as well as modern knowlege.these elected then will act as fuqhaa and will decide the politic. this is what is think waliyat faqiih. the shurah is not politically workable as the coucil of shurah are handpicked by the ruler with out the consent of the ruled.one may say that there are ayat which mentions and literaly comands prophet to seek consultation in arabic shuurah before making decisions, but that is becuase prophet was holy and he only takes what is right.

salif, i though i mentioned my source bro, maca sadiqiin authored by al-sheeikh tijani. the book is smal and handy to read. but let me say this, the ideology of glorifying some scholars or put them ahead them above the other ulimas is really dangerous and will not be much beneficial. actualy what is the significance of puting him or naming the sheeikh one of the greatest man put foot on earth?while we all nknow that he did not produce more than others.i think we need to grew up and look ahead leave the sheikh so and so is greater or better than others, we have been drawn into the myth of ravalims untill some belived that schoalr are part islamic pillar, i reemebr when i was studen in madars alislamiyah, alcaqiida aldaxawiyah was the main book for the caqiida h subject ,and the shaarix was so keen to expalin that muslim are obligated to believe that abuu bakar was the faisrt khalifah and umar second and uthman and ali and so on and so forth, this just for sectism. where in islam or in hadith was it mention that abuu bbakar or umar and so on were the part of pilars.if we do not leave behind the ravilism ideology we weill be always as muslim at the bottom of the civilasations. .we as muslim are suffering so much about this and today we are witnessing the effect of it. brother are killing the his brother becuase one follows ibnu taymiyah or lcaims to be salafi!!!!! while the other follows Jacfar raximahu allaha .this is not islam, islam is clear as sunshine on clear sky. alrijaal yaduuruuna calal al-xaqi wa leysa cagsa thalika although i do have alot of respect for him but i am also aware of him strong support to umayat family over ali calayhi salam .his view that hussien calayhi salaam was failed man.

the topic of the post suggest it all, salafi called sheeikh ibnu taymiyah " the greatest man put foot onearth" did salafi considered what that means really? as one of the replieres suggested this type of post would not be much benefit for the nomads becuase as one glorifies sheikh bnu taymiyah others will literaly describe him otherwise. no doubt that sheikh ibnu taymiyah name stands tall in suni salafiyah sect but is less popular in ashcariyah and shitte muslim sects. there, however, alot of his own students who fiecely disagree with him,i always find it very diffculty how sheikh shed doubt about islam of ali, in kitab called "maca sadiqiin" authored by tijani quated that ibnu tayamiyah claimed tha alis islam was not valid as ali ebraced islam as child!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. this kind of hostility toward ali is absolutely put the sheikh in dark place in muslim history. i am sure the alot of muslim have much love for the sheikh as i do, becuase i think he made tremendous effort to spread kalimah having said that we must not forgot that as many scholar ibnu taymihyah has his flips.

in an artcle puplish in newkoryer magazine the whist blower of abu ghurayb jail arocities claim that american president George W. bush is preparing to hit iran'snuclear and missile instulation. http://www.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/9AC40D84-70C6-482B-B6A5-2A29B87199BB.htm iran in its part anounced it's milllitry's readness to ounter any attack .the iranian defence secratray said his country is not afraided of american threats and that his country has flexible millitary stratedies that american secret agencies can not infiltrate. http://www.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/633478B5-714B-4C1A-9739-838B88BE7308.htm

it is getting into very interesting point.....

i am enjoying the discussion..

the outspoken and eloquent former prime miniser of malaysia Dr Mahathir mohamed urged the mslim to equip themsleve with modern education, in speech he said mulim fail to catch up with modern world, he said IQra doen not only mean to read the holy quran but also mean to aquire modern knowledge. http://www.islamonline.net/English/News/2004-12/21/article04.shtml

ARaganimo...taqleed is not waajib please.God how can you possibly say that? no one in highly qualified scholars of madahib had ever adviced anyone to follow them blindly!!!look shaificis's own word he says" la tuqaliduuna" do not follow us blindly. u know what by saying the taqliid is wajib you are actually imply leaving the encouragement of seeking knowledge..taqliid is mathmuum meaning is not good,muslim are adviced to learn their religone and take the reliogon from the source which the scholar and experts took it from. never let someone tell you about yur religone. it is as wajib upon you to learn ur religone as it is on the scholar. God will not ask you in day of jugement why u did not follow sheekh shaafici or malik or binu xanbal he will simply ask you why you did not follow his masanger.learn it now. taqliid is permitted with condtions that one can not learn his religone.

i c ur responses and here is what i think my freind should have done, actually my friend's stuation was bit complicated becuase at first place he was discussing the issue with guy who insulted the prophet, he(friend) was discuss the religone with negerian lady and thensudeely this congo guy come and start insulting my beloved prophet..my friend's reaction was kicking him and boxing the guy hard.he teach him unforgatable lesson, i liked what my friend did becuase the congolese claim to be a former muslim and properly knew how much will a amuslim care of his prophet so there was no need of further discussion with him at the time. but to me if I encounter such situation i think i would have handled it differently becuase as some of you mentioned prophet has been insulted while was alive quite alot.. remember the acraabi who grap the prpohet's color and called him unjust .. he( prophet) PBUH did not fight with him he just left him alone.and best way to teach someone is through action.showing him how tolearte you are .

nomad this is a sory happened to one of my friends, I will tell you his re-action to the incident but i first like to know how you would have responded if it happended to u. what happend is that one of my friens was working in multiculral, mult-ethnic and multi-religone company,he had religone dicussion with one of his collegues ,suddenly the other guy start insulting our prophet (PBUHM) labelling him womaniser, dictator and all sort of unappropriate descriptions. my friens did what he believed to be right.how would your reaction be if you were in his position?

Ghaylan aldimishiqi (-a man sluaghtered by muslim khalifah -)was the firt to suggest the free will of human being, ghaylan was as you properly know the founder of muctazilah, he oppose the ruling royal family of his periond who normaly argued that their authority is By QADAR and God given and no member of the puplic should question about it! it is absolute authority, authority in which if the if the inocent are beaten they are beaten becuase of Qadar and no one should complain about it . guys i am telling you this Qadar has been misused by awful alot of peop;e from ruler of earlyday to todays ruling families in muslim world. Our beloved prophet PBUH was once asked about the deeds we do in this world why are we doing it is everything is pre-destined in QADAR, propphet PBUH answer " icmaluu fakulin muyasarun limaa khuliqa lahu" meaning go do continue your good deeds everyone is will naturally do what he was created for.so what about the the hadith that mentions " one of you will do good deeds all his life untill between him and paradise is less a foot distance then his book will take over and he start doing bad and enters the hell!!!"to some extent this hadith is terrifing!! God is just he never do unjust to his creatures, In the holy quran GOd says ( wamalahu bithalamin lilcabiid) suratul Qaaf.meaning God is not unjust on his servant, the questions is how are we gona have a solution between the above mentions ayah and earlier Hadith? the questions goins on how much free will do we humans have?if everything is pre-destined why are required at all to do deeds? if we do not understand the answer for this question onather questions comes into the field which is, will God demand us to do somthing we do not understand, some concept that is beyond our human understand capacity? I (sayfu allah) as one do not think God the just the AL-LATIIF AL-RAXIIM will demand us to follow and do something we can not comprehend, that is why he SBHWT snet massangers to all nations in holy quaran suratul faadir" wama min umatin illa khalaa fiahaa nadiir" there were no nation but we sent a warner.it would have been pointless to send massangers to guide humans and preach them truth if God will anyway punish them( of course God can punish whom he want and be mercifull to whom he chooses) but God is just and will never punish someone for nothing, and that is of course why Opression is prohibited . .read this ayah ( alam najcal lahu cayneyn walisaanan wa shafateen wahadeynahu alnajideen ) didn't we give the human two eyes, a tangue and lips and we guide him the path.to my understanding we are given the complete free will!! God and stated everything clearly and let us choose with own will which way we want, therefore before we act for every actions that human do there are two possible Qadars,and which one your choose is urs!! that is the Ibdaal GOd says In holy quran ( yubadilulaahu maa yashaa wa cinddahuu umul kitaab meaning God changes what he want and the with himn is the original book( looxul almaxfuud).but we must be carefull to say things easly becuase somepoeple we get really lost in such are complex topic.we must talk to the people ( this is for the preachers) according to their capacity of knowledge, that is what our beloved peophet PBUH taught us .as I said in earlier post it is realy a matter of faith, there are many ayahs and hadith that talk about QADAR but i must addmit that the interpretations of such ayahs and hadith it is a circle of that never stops on one spot. continues like that for ever and no one can give a absolutely persuasive answer for this kind of questions, I do not know God know the best,and I pray to forgive for any error.

bismilah, Had the muslaim elected ali at the beging of khilafah may be the situation in muslim world today would have been diffrent , of course it would hae been different. but for what for better or worse? may be if the Prophet had accepted the offer of quraysh when they offer him everything my be ur live today would have been different. of course for the worse. looking back the history of the muslims One will often find that Qadar has played a major role in who rules whom. in first days of othen binu afan's crisis the group who layed siege on his house demanded him to hand the authority to someone they wanted, but just look what was the response of othan after he ( alledgely) consulted with marwan He (marwan ) told othman are you removing a khamis (authority) GOd has given you .( in arabic a takhlacu qamiisan qammasaka allahu) this was the very begingng of discustions and debate about the Qadar,everyone tried not to be the Firqah that prophet named ( al qadariyatu hiya majuusu hadiihi alumah) the Qadars are the Pagan of this umah.Qadar has been used so extensively in amawiyiin and cabasin period. this is deeply complex and complicatted subject, in fact it is the topic that cuase so much disagreement between muslim sects. non-muslim thinker had tried so hard to turn the Qadar the only factor that pushed the muslim fight so fiercely agaist kufar in early days of islam they accused the prophet (PBUH) of being I recently read a book authored by an persian author and translated into arabic, this book is called a-linsaan walqadar. it is fantastic and clearifies so much about the relations of qadar and human ctivities. the book starts with questions why muslim declined after all the glories they achieved? what was the factor that determined their sucess at first place and what is the factor or factors that cuased their fall down? was the factor same factor but acted diferently or different factors involved? Qadar as a pillar of iiman ( believe) has been given a huge consideration by muslim scholar of all time, from the sahaba to today's sholars. Omar(r.a) or Ali ( calaysalaam) once wanted to enter a city with cholare but he hestated and sahab asked him " a tafiru min qadarilaah" look at this question, omar's hestation was regarded by that sahabs a fear of qadar, omar's answer was precise no he said " nafir min qadari allah ila qadari alhaah" we flee from qadr to the qadar of GOd. I do not think the science of today can prove none-existance of qadar, the string theory and special realitivity si all human thinking who may not even reason why is he thinking this way. it all a matter of faith, an " if" low laa in arabic is not islamic expression

bismilah, Had the muslaim elected ali at the beging of khilafah may be the situation in muslim world today would have been diffrent , of course it would hae been different. but for what for better or worse? may be if the Prophet had accepted the offer of quraysh when they offer him everything my be ur live today would have been different. of course for the worse. looking back the history of the muslims One will often find that Qadar has played a major role in who rules whom. in first days of othen binu afan's crisis the group who layed siege on his house demanded him to hand the authority to someone they wanted, but just look what was the response of othan after he ( alledgely) consulted with marwan He (marwan ) told othman are you removing a khamis (authority) GOd has given you .( in arabic a takhlacu qamiisan qammasaka allahu) this was the very begingng of discustions and debate about the Qadar,everyone tried not to be the Firqah that prophet named ( al qadariyatu hiya majuusu hadiihi alumah) the Qadars are the Pagan of this umah.Qadar has been used so extensively in amawiyiin and cabasin period. this is deeply complex and complicatted subject, in fact it is the topic that cuase so much disagreement between muslim sects. non-muslim thinker had tried so hard to turn the Qadar the only factor that pushed the muslim fight so fiercely agaist kufar in early days of islam they accused the prophet (PBUH) of being I recently read a book authored by an persian author and translated into arabic, this book is called a-linsaan walqadar. it is fantastic and clearifies so much about the relations of qadar and human ctivities. the book starts with questions why muslim declined after all the glories they achieved? what was the factor that determined their sucess at first place and what is the factor or factors that cuased their fall down? was the factor same factor but acted diferently or different factors involved? Qadar as a pillar of iiman ( believe) has been given a huge consideration by muslim scholar of all time, from the sahaba to today's sholars. Omar(r.a) or Ali ( calaysalaam) once wanted to enter a city with cholare but he hestated and sahab asked him " a tafiru min qadarilaah" look at this question, omar's hestation was regarded by that sahabs a fear of qadar, omar's answer was precise no he said " nafir min qadari allah ila qadari alhaah" we flee from qadr to the qadar of GOd. I do not think the science of today can prove none-existance of qadar, the string theory and special realitivity si all human thinking who may not even reason why is he thinking this way. it all a matter of faith, an " if" low laa in arabic is not islamic expression

prime mister Erdogan of turkey and abdulahi badawi of malaysia have named leading sucessful modern muslim leader www.islamonline.net

well i think it is obvvious, in our socities and culture and many moslim nations love is by-product of marriage becuase be4 marriage one may have only closely monitored or limited acces to his/her future lover, and as result of many many relatiosnhips end up in failure. how to find the : .1 intelligence 3.a good character 4.fertility 5.a good family 6.virginity 7.beuty 5 and 7 aare determinable without effort and time becuase beutiy is in eyes of beholder and family history is easy to know.( unless you are in a qurbi and farax's/xalimos family is back home. the determining factor of almost all the above mentionded is religone, once the sister xallimo/brother faarax is religious then we can for certain extend say he/she is fine. not just wearng khamis and imama/hijaab or leting his beard grow long or in case of xallimos covers her face) prophet said " tunkaxul mar'ah li thalaath,li xasabihaa,wali malihaa wali diinihaa fathrab bithaati diini taribat yadaak" meanign women is married for three( these are fators faraxs need to take into considerations and same applies to xaliimos) for her wealth, her nasab and religone take the religious , emotions can not ovepower the religone becuase the mu'min is not and religone enriches intellectaul capabillity.

SIS WILO, this may sound very controversial, but I think alot of Arab traditions and taqaalid has influenced or or infiltered into the text o hadith and history f muslim, today there are manay countries in muslim world notably guldf states Afghanistan and other prevent woment from playing a postive role in development of theri societies on the bases that women should only be the princess of her kids and house, of course they are not claiming that what they are doing is tradition but instead they claim to be strictly following the quran and sunah, and supriningly some culamah had issued fatwas of that kind. now was that what prophet mohame (PBUH) preached, didn't islam liberated women fromthe shackles of jahiyah? wasn't islam( from adam to prophet mohamed) the first religone in the world that recongised the equality of human being regardless of gender? look all the ayah that preach muslim and you will find it using general terms like :"ya ayuhaladina aamanuu", "almu,minuun wal muaminaat bacdhuhum min bacdh" terms like that show how islam creates closely associated and interconnected of sharing responsiblities between men and women.women fought beside the prophet,prophet consulted with his wifes and acted upon their advised ( according to sunis )now,if afterall that someone come simple idea that women can not be leaders of muslim nations, they can not be politician , they can not hold puplic offices I will simply regard that claim as ill-understanding of islam.islam is religone for everynations and consolidates all cultures and taqaalid unless contradictory to islam. women participated in the spreading th hadith ( we all know how Aisha and hafsa tuaght the sahab alot of ahdiths) women participated in mediating peace process between sahabs. no where in holy quran was women described as second citizen!!!! in contaroray they women had beenpraised . for example suratul saba,a tells us about the leadership of that extraordernary women who lead her nation to islam. quran tells about the history of prophet musa's mother and her carrouge, quaran talks about marry and so on and so forth. of course women should take care of children but that is mens responsiblity too.today we somalis best now what women stands for, when many many men turn to be khat-chewers women shouldred the famly responsility and provided means of live for alot of familites. I really do get anoyed when so many so called salafiyahs called for woment to stay their homes claiming it is the best for interrest of moslim nations. where did that come from? of course let them stay at home if they are not needed but the fact is they are neede and needed greatly. now wiilo I do not know how will such job will be beficially to muslims but one thing is clear as long as there are no objections as long the job is befecial to you to muslim you can take it.if muslim man do take it then why not women, mohamed elbraci is heade of EAIAE he is Egyptian moslim

Originally posted by Nur: Simply The Best ( Like all other Nomads) Wiilo sis Before embarking on a pseudo-Fatwa on yout aspirations of club wielding crowd fighting Mulim police woman and a female version of a Cofe Anan, let us look at the our religions vision for life on earth, afterwards we would have to allign our endeavors to aid our faith, not like other faiths who are made to follow the whis of their nominal followers. Unlike how they say, "a woman's place is in the House, and the Senate" , Our faith, Islam divides roles for the sexes by assigning men to do the most physically demanding jobs, while women do the most mentally demanding jobs. Most successful men in history are like parrots, they only repeat what their mothers taught them as kids, ( If we exclude George Bush Senior, who made a mistake by saying that he wouldnt eat his Broccoli since he is the President of the most powerful Biological Colony Known as USA_) So, since men and women have different roles in society, Women wi do well in areas that require emotional intelligence ( which most men lack) while men excel in problem solving skills ( since they are responsible creating them in the first place). So, if your passion for joining the police force is based on a desire to enforce the law, As a woman you can raise a good citizen who willl not have to be policed, because the answer fro rising crime is not more police and prisons, rather more family values and faith which you can volunteer to do as a mother, and the more good citizens you can raise the better. As for Wiilo The UN is the most corrupt organization on earth, they consume the most resources that were earmarked for the poor, in the news, while hundreds of Iraqi kids were dying during the Embargo, Kofe Anan s realtives and friends were making millions in kickbacks managing the Bic Mac for Oil Program in which Iraq oil was being stolen Ali Baba style. So, if you want to help the disadvantaged people around the world consider becoming like the Muslim vesrion of Mother Theresa". For starters, this Summer you go to Somalia, help with sanitation, childcare, education of Somalis, you set up your own " Wiilo Benevelonce Center" and let Nomads know which Xawaalad to send their contribution for your work, so that 90% of the procedes reaches the needy people, women and children ( The UN delivers less than 15 cents for everydollar they spend on their phony programs, the rest goes to maintain their extravagant lifestyle) Caaqil The Dameer Development Business is an excitng business, a lot of our people would need your services, The Dameer can be trained, I wonder if some of our people can be? Nur I must fisrt say that I really do admire nur's threads and I normaly read can I also say that I 110% agree with bother nur analaytical arugment of women's role in society as foundation on which good society is build upon. but as wiilo singutre says "With respect to the perception of truth, disagreement is an ancient phenomenon in the intellectual history of mankind:" I, however, disagree with him that women's rule is only confined on the area of risng good kids, that is thier primary role in socity and modelling of kids and shaping of their behaviour. but that is not only the role women should play in our modern society ( modern socity in terms of both socially and technologically) as we properly all know our religone forbidded a man to be alone with unrelated women, in toda's socity men is not only the criminals their are women crimnal as well and if we do not have a very specilaised and well trained policewomen who can privately and pulicaly investigate women's crime we will find ourselves in wrong side becuase that will mean ( lack of police women) man dealing with criminal women and that is not the islamic way. secondly let is not forget islam has all it's followers the same rights and same obligations, for example islam obligates all muslims to seek knowledge regardless of gender or sex. islam obligate all muslim to perform salat hajj zakat regardless of sex, and that ,in my opinion show man and woman interconnected responsiblities to make societies better.

yes absolutely as a muslims we affected by suffering of our brothers around the world , not only invasions, poverty but also becuase we have little hope that things may change as they at present.we do not depair from the merciy of God but unless muslim ( general puplic) stand up and face the those tirrinies,dictators and mornachy who stole our naions and handed it to our enemies the destruction of our people will unfortunatly remain same. hatret has been created beweet brothers, saudis do not want to see libyan and sudani arab kill their brother of dafur, sunis in iraq masscre theri brother shia , somalis brother who share everything blood religon language and culture daily kill each other. when are we reaaly gona face the reality which is we are attacked !! we are facing coalitions of enemie, when will the moslms blood return to it glorious days? when will muslim leader stand and vow to free the muslim prisoners in isreal an d around the world, when will be the voice of sisters in iraq will be heard. tragedy .

saxiib waxaad moodaa radigaagu in ay kulifaaqantahay personal attacks lakkin waana ka xumahay in aad sidaads u firiktay anyway for the sake of sound debate let me say. hadii sadaam waxaa uu ahaa bila shaki digtaatoor kaligii taliye ah ninkii taas diidan waa qof aan the contemporary historyga aad sheegi aan si wacan uula socon.waxaa kali oon shaki ku jirin in dhamaan muslim leaders around the world ( except of course iranians and malaysian) an ay galada sadam dowga ka riday ay mamulaan.wana suno ilah ah in eebe ka aargoosto qofka ku kaca thulmika taas waxaa qeexaya quraanka kariim ka ah. waxaad tiri Saddam Xuseen iyo American aniga koley wax iskuma keey dhaamaan, laakiin markuu Saddam joogay iyo hada waxaa u dhexeeyo farqi weyn. Sidaas darteed waxaan ku oran lahaa iska yaree "propoganda"-da aad ka dhuuqeysid reer galbeedka saxaafadooda oo ey marwalba kusoo celcelinayaan Saddaam dadkiisii ayuu laayay, sun ku shubay, tirtiray, qabuuro ka dhigay i.w.m. walaal waxaa soomalidu ku dhahdaa " waxaasi waa markhaati madoon" sadam in uu dadkiisa iyo dariskiisaba layey waa mid markhati madoon ah umna bahna wax baris cilimi ah walaal maxaa yeelay wali waa sii muuqda the scare. waxaa kale oon markhaatidoon aheen in gallaadu kadanbeysay falalkii u saddam ku kacay e fooshaxuma ( of course ramsfeld visited Baghdad during the iraq-iran war to give saddam both michinary and moral support ciraque too did same) but who is sbudit here saddam the stooge of western of the american who wanted to destroy him and muslim states? jwaabtu waa saddam maxaayelay hadii uu nin rageed yahay waa ka diidi lahaa waxaas. waxaad tiri: Marka walaal, waxna yuusan hadal kaa tagin, fadlan dib ugu laabo "contemporary history" oo naftaada kala dagaalan jahliga eey Galbeedku faafiyaan ee aan dhihi karo waa "Doqoni-garatay". Si kastaba ha ahaatee, waxaan ku oran lahaa marlabaad, Aniga kuma dhihin waxaan ahay Muslim Qawi ah, hana iga sugin inaan sidaas ku dhaho. Waxaana shaqsi ahaan qabaa inaan Muslimka aniga ugu liito, saa waxaan maata ku sheegto Islaamka ayaaba iska yar. waano aad u qiimo badan mahad sanid saxiib aad iyo ad ayaan diyaar ugu ahay in aan jahliga nafteyda kaladagaalamo! balse waxaad ku soo celcelisay in aad wester media wakooda sheegayee aljezeera ma saxafad reer galbeedbaa? 1988 markii sadaam la dhacay madafiicda waxgumaada iraniyiinta ma wester mdia ayab rali kahaa in lasoo tabilyo? mase ogtahay danbiyada lagu soo oogayo saddam in aysan kujirin kuwii uu ugeystay iran? maxaa dhacay becuase iran is anti-america anti-isreal? waxaa filayaa baahida ladagalanka jahligu in ay ina wad khuseyso waa runtaa maadan oran muslim qawi ah ayaad thay lakin u fiirso yeysan kaa hoosbixin lisaano xaalkagu adigu muslim daciif ah ayaadtahay aniguna....well you add it!!! waxaanse wali layabanahy difaaca aad kuu jirto nuu laegyahay? walaal ma waxaad raali katahay in muslimta caruurta iyo haweenka la laayo? ma waxaad difaaci insaan si ula kac leh u laayey inocent people regardless of who whether american oo so-called resistance groups. i really do not where you are coming from walaahu al-mustacaan

Originally posted by Sakina: The only people who benefit from these killings are the "occupiers". We are not sure these bombings are done by Sunnis and if they are I am sure that the "occupiers" are behind it. I mean if you watch CNN all you hear is the Sunnis killed Shias or the Shias want to take the power etc. Before the Iraq war they used to use only terms like "islamic terrorist" "islamist" etc. Lets ask ourselves why now they are using Sunni or Shia terms. All they want is disunity between muslims and it seems it is working because instead of uniting we are still arguing about our differences. The only way for muslims to reach their lost glory is unity between Sunnis and Shias. sakina you are right walaal i am sure too the beneficiries are only the invaders,that is why i am and every should upon the sunnis and shias to stop creating breeding enviroment for hatret and disunity.fairly shias so far indicated that they can control over their followers becuase when the two huge bombs destroyed building of musques and killed scores of mulims their ayatulaah called for calmness and that massage of ayatulaah has been well recieved, what i was expecting from my brother of sunis was be more proactive and fight only invaders and stop ( if true) the killing of their feloow iraqis there is no way we can defeat invader if we do not show respect to our brothers in islam regardless of their sects.

Originally posted by Haddad: "What is moderate Islam anyway?" The kind of Islam the West envisions Muslims should adopt. In short, the Islam that has the blessings of the West. i am not sure if that is the coorec defination of moderate islam. let make the defination right, islam is moderate by nature. ok what i mean is in holy quran we hear" wa kathaalika jacalnakum umatan wasadhan litakuunu shuhadaa cala naasi wa yakuna rasuulu shahiidan calaykum" meaning we made the moderate nations so you ill be the witness on other nations and the massamger will be a witness upon you. we are moderate by virtue, we are proud o be moderate there is no moderate religoon other than islam. is ther extremism groups in muslims the answer is postive. who are they? they are those who think they are only group who enter the paradise. enterptret islam acording to theri own culture and deilamised others.