^hehe, remembered to sneak that in, eh? The lady's certifiable and he's just not that into her.

^LoL. God forgive me but really, really heavy women(why are women that big?) scare me sometimes. Their weight means they have to alter their sitting position, each one has her method and u never know where or when u'll get squished and squashed. My friend who's not a Somali told me the other day that when she was at the Mosque a Somali woman trying to get her attention said: Naayaaa! to her in a sharp voice. When my friend related the story to me, she took a deep breath, shook her head and said: why is she calling me 'naayaa' in the Mosque? LoL.

Originally posted by Alle-ubaahne: Right, I am poisonous only when it comes to turning down the repulsiveness of your ever-shifting contemporary believes, but assume not cowardly at me. Many years from now, you find me firm and stable to an unbreakable grounds that lean on Islam, unlike the people you sometimes represent who are subject to anything, even the wind. And yes, you can go ahead and resort to your invisible authority now for deleting what I wrote, because all you were seeking is to provoke an argument that can lead either to deletion or demonize my views! U don't need me to get demonised(u manage this all by yrself). I don't represent anyone except myself and I am as visible as anybody else. Yr attention-seeking is legendary. I'm pretty certain at some point in this thread, u distanced yrself from Nur's suggestion. Now u're backing it probably to stoke the fire. If u want to encourage chopping up women's private parts in Ramadan or any other time, u're encouraging ignorance and u'll be leaning against a tree which will have your forefathers' ignorance as its roots. Deen and dhaqan are not words that belong side by side, one takes precedence. I see u take whichever one u fancy to further your drama, all ado about nothing. We must encourage that which is good and discourage that which is bad. Alhamdullilah for the all the women(and some men) in here who have expressed their views against this diabolical suggestion.

It's deja vu fooqa deja vu, Brown. Flimflam, lool.

Speech Please cut out the idle chit-chat. Yes, it's been a long time since u've met fulaan but the rest of us don't care. Kiss, hug, greet quietly. A smile makes no sound but touches everyone. When praying lower your voice to a minimum. It distracts, annoys and confuses those next to you. While most people sound like they’re saying: ps, ps, Somalis sound like they're saying: brbbrbbrb. Cut it out, please whatever u sound like. Smell Ahem, really I don't want to know what u've had to break your fast with, especially if its repeating itself on you and reappears in burps and tainted breath. Avoid strong-smelling food and smoking before appearing at the mosque. Preferably wear a different set of clothes that is clean and has not been near the kitchen or uunsi. Perfume is a very personal thing and when u’re in such close proximity to others it can be overpowering and even headache-inducing. One day this Ramadan, not only did I go home with a near-headache, I also arrived home still smelling the woman who’d prayed next to me. Look Pay attention to your lines! If there are lines on the floor, use them as guides. If in doubt, follow the majority. If u decide to stop praying(to leave or due to tiredness), do not leave without letting those next to you know. The gap needs to be filled if u're not returning. Including those in front of you – fill those first. Mind the gap. Face the Qiblah. I got a tension headache two nights ago when the old lady next to me was not only out of line but also not facing the Qiblah. I tried and re-tried, even tilted her chair for her(she was mixing sitting and standing; she was in line when sitting and out of line when standing) but she put her chair back to its original position. I bumped into her almost every time I went down for sujuud as she would be on her way to sit on the chair) and she'd have been slightly in front of me. That's 54 times of awkwardness and potential collision. I gave up at some point. I tried to be forgiving as she was old but I've also had the Qiblah problem with a young lady who wouldn't take my advice when I pointed out with my hands the difference between her positioning and everybody else's. Our heads kept meeting and bumping to make the shape of an arrow. Will somebody tell me the word for 'parallel' in Somali?!! I'm at a loss as to how to explain to people not to face the arrow itself(the room is an awkward shape) but to mimic its direction. Help. Touch Guide those next to you to stand in a straight line. Listen To the Imam and those trying to make the experience better. Finally, please be pro-active in ensuring the whole experience is a useful, spiritual one that leads to Khushuuc. It’s everybody’s responsibility. Don’t be embarrassed to speak up and guide. Enjoy the rest of your Tarawih, the best nights are yet to come. Do go pray if u have the time.

Cool.

Originally posted by Alle-ubaahne: Whenever you hear about the contention of people against Gudniin, think about the freedom of sex, women's emancipation for downright causes, undermining the whole concept of Gudniin in Islamic rituals and so forth and so on. So, be careful saaxiib, don't think these people are honest in their fate of the discussion, meaning everything is for health's sake. They have a long list of bad agenda in their pockets. What list? Why do u see conspiracy in everything? I'm tired of hearing your oblique references to people who post here having an agenda or being dishonest. If u have a person u'd like to direct this at, do so. U have a poisonous, cowardly stance. Further, as Xoogsade said contribute something. The doubt and damnation u drag along with u is getting dull and makes you look like u have an agenda.

I bumped this up for the reasons I stated. It seems we still need to inform people about FGM. If either of u are following Nur's post in Women u'd get it. I did not want to start a whole new topic and go looking for links with info.

Xoogsade, I'm all for cleanliness. In fact, I wish I could make it a law. Yr consideration for others at the mosque is admirable. I wish more people were like that. I've been attending Tarawih lately and I've had burps laced with garlic float my way. Someone had Tiger Balm or some such dabbed on the other day. And the strong oil-based perfumes are such a turn-off; luckily I don't get the smell-inducing headches I used to in the past. People's clothes also smell of what they were cooking or uunsi. I do wish they'd take a little more care. Anyhoo, good to hear of a clean freak. U still go the toilet though. C'est la vie.

Originally posted by Kashafa: I'd have the family shoot the Jamaican dude(who impregnated her with his vile najaasah) dead. It can be 'fixed' so that he's another black statistic. It's very doable, runtii. Plus, I said sacred life, not a sorry licentious excuse for an najaasah'istic existence. Murderous and seemingly racist 'solution'. Thank you WOL for the info.

Originally posted by Nur: I dont know walaalo, I need ideas from readers, U’re right on both counts so where are u going? wouldnt it be better to send heroff to kurtunwaarrey (ood ku soo gudid) to reduce her appetite? after all, both choices are bad and unIslamic, but, the lesser evil is (in la gudo) and… one must seriously consider the unthinkable and… Again, I said that in the science of Muwaazanaat in Islam, at time a xaraam becomes a xalaal, if two xaraams are a must to be faced, in our situation we have two grievous situations You took us down the path of FGM being unIslamic/xaraam but a lesser evil, now suddenly u’re backtracking and suggesting yr preference for a Sunnah version. Were u meaning the Sunnah version all along and if u were why would u call that unIslamic? Are u simply confused or are you confusing us for simpletons? U were referring to FGM. It is as clear as day. No running away from that. For those who think that it is disgusting to talk about this topic, believe me, its helping many Nomads too shy to discuss this topic in public , we live in a time an age when xishood is dangerous, so bear with me: U have completely misunderstood the women’s disgust. Completely. What topic are nomads shy to talk about? Both FGM and abortions have been discussed on these boards. There’s a difference between shyness and disgust. The disgust is at advocating FGM to stop abortions. Some(including I initially) were further disgusted that you would suggest this. The ‘solution’ is one that will not work for it isn’t targeting the problem! Moreover it causes harm and perpetuates injustice. How can a teenage girl that may be sexually active be punished for something she may commit(abortion)? Innocent until guilty or we have an unjust society. The method u suggest is unIslamic and ineffective. U recommend something that is unjust and oppressive. as a male i was also genitaly mutilated in a sense, I had no choice, because my parents decided my second day that i will be done, and I was, I am thankful they did, but how about if I was hurt in the process? it would have been a malpractice, No u were not. U don’t need your foreskin. If yr parents had removed part of your organ in case u impregranated out of wedlock or raped one day- that is the equivalent of what u are suggesting for women- u’d have been disgusted too at the preemptive measure, the medical difficulties u’d have endured and the loss of sexual pleasure. U can not compare a male circumcision going wrong to even FGM going right. FGM is malpractice every time, male circumcision is not. U’re grasping at straws here. In Conclusion, Gudidda as done in Somalia should be banned, no girl should go through that life threatening ritual, Looks like u’ve changed your mind. So have u dropped the lesser of the two evils nonsense? And if u have why aren't u sticking around to hear about the Sunnah procedure or other social solutions that some may provide? Have a good rest of Ramadan. Running away doesn’t solve anything.

^couldn't have said it better myself, lady. Thanks for saving me typing those 2 words a whole year in advance. Note to self: U're a nutter, there's preparation and there's preparation. :eek: bumped for the info and links

Originally posted by Femme: P.S. Anyone who claims to be related to be is a bold faced liar. My relatives are all computer illeterate . Proving we're unrelated. Couldn't resist, feel the need to be cheeky tonight. Mid-Ramadan low energy level. 4give me.

Originally posted by Alle-ubaahne: These individuals are very unique in their writings for several characteristics, including that of assassinating the integrity of others, presenting themselves very improperly in dealing others, using dishonest means for debating, and concealing the facts by insisting some very unfound grounds, especially when they feel lost in debate. Ahahahahaha. Be kind about yrself. Nobody else will bother. Now what's with the attention-seeking, man? U're looking for trouble in Ramadan! Ha kuu macaanaato.... adoo sooman.

Why that two-timing bear. Grrr.

^typo- life partners.

^ahaha, qarxis. A, your moods are all welcome, dear.

Not to mention all that passive smoking the rest of us have to deal with. Uff and it hurts us without providing us with whatever pleasure u smokers get. Allah macak. Will power is all u need and there are no patches for that.

Nur, in all seriousness, with yr imagination and knowledge are u claiming there is no other choice but circumcision? I can not entertain the idea of mutilation in order to curb sexual indiscretion or potential abortion. I wholeheartedly reject it. There is no choice here, I repeat. Two wrongs is what I see. That is not Islam. There are many other social ills, shall we come up with so-called lesser evil solutions for all of them? What will become of justice and fairness? That is not Islam. Perhaps there are others that agree with your line of thinking, let's hear what they have to say. One has already withdrawn. There is nothing anyone, anywhere can say to convince me this is a viable, fair, humanistic way of dealing with a potential problem(abortion) or that it is Islamic. Nothing. Xaawaa ba'day.

I have never nor will ever delete people's opinions just because I disagree with them. I think u threw yr own shoes off in yr attempt to flee. That was such an uncool move, makes u look yellow. Albaabka qab ka sii sii. Ramadan Mubarak.

AU, my feelings are not in question here. Keep to the topic. Take yr own advice and deal with the problem at hand. I have. U have not. How about u tell us why u think this is the option we should take? Or what else could be done? What does Waris have to do with this exactly? U keep dragging in well-known Somalis into posts! Do YOU have an opinion that u can support or do u prefer not debating in case u fail at yr attempt?

^got a feeling desire's got a strong stomach. Which is just as well cause we smell, go to the toilet to empty our bowels and bleed(sorry if I'm ruining the movie for ya). It's not imperfect, it's nature.

AU, I do not seek to be appeased. I'm not convinced by this post, chopping penises off won't make it any better. Worse. The fundamentals of the idea itself are flawed. U say: the young ladies who bring about the demise of our social reputations by illicitly using their reproductive organs. Aha, thought so. Social reputation at alleged stake. Nailed it on the head. Not. Ngonge, .

I'm not hushing you Nur, in fact do keep talking. U hint at disrespect from me. Where? What you are suggesting is wrong AND unlikeable. I would not chop off a teenage boy's penis either. What kind of societies would we have if we maimed each other? The current one is doing quite a good job at that. You have come up with a suggestion that is NOT new. This is how FGM is sold to people already. Now, the lesser of the two evils scenario: this can only be applied once u are faced with a situation. U can not use it as preemptive method. At what stage do u decide to make that so called choice? Young girls will not necessarily flaunt their promiscuity or their sexual liaisons. Tell me how do we work out who's up to what(the near impossible witnesses required)? Await confessions? And what would Islam say then? How would it deal with the problem? It seems this is targetted at potential pregnancies and their terminations. Let's assume a girl gets pregnant; isn't it too late already? Deed done. Or do we chop her up, sew her up for the future? I personally do not have a Sheh-solution. I know what Islam recommends we teach our children and adults about reigning in their hormones. U do too. So why a need for a personal solution? We are not monks, nor should we seek to be. We are sexual beings, we must deal with it as we were taught by our deen. Promiscuity, abortion, neither is something new. Yr solution(although u later call it an idea) speaks of choice between two evils, I see it as an evil used to fix a potential evil. That just won't do, not if Islam is a just deen. I'm aghast beacuse u too are suggesting this old measure. Consider myself unsurprised here on in. Do go on

We don't see as much of her as we used to. Happy 3000th, A.