Yeah you, waxba dhinacaa iyo dhinaca kale ha eegin. You're it. A fart and a boring one at that. This place has been dead for a long while now and u've sighed in disappointment as u've hoped for the all the nutters, trolls, megalomaniacs, freaks, sh*t-stirrers to say something. U are a boring fart. And a fool for waiting for a change to happen while u sit there and hope for excitement, entertainment and escapism. U are a boring fart. If u've lurked and never participated, say Hey, Yo, fart if u will just say something. Wave, squeak, your name has appeared as the latest member to join on these forums and that's about all u've done. Shame on you, are you a fart or are you a farter? If u're a lazy boring fart(akhas caleyk) get typing, tell us something interesting, bizarre, different that u have done lately, other than being a boring lazy fart, u fart. In case u're wondering what's gotten into me, I say it again: U are a boring fart. Nothing happens until u make it happen. It's Boring Fartsville in here. U r a boring dhuuso. Akhas caleyk. Yeah u, waxba dhinaceyga ha soo eegin.

^some sequels out-do the originals. No, I can't think of one, God Father? Not that I watch any of that sh*t so what do I know. Qudhub-qadhab, congratulations.

No, I AM serious.

U can't ask for help and not say where u live or do u want online suggestions or are u just u know blahing.. Wear nothing underneath. They won't know, will they? Don't u get to wear those ridiculous gowns? Go topless.

Women in Sland, whatever next. When did they let them in? Man those borders, dammit.

Spruce up those lines u wrote, lose the defeated stance/stanzas and give it to her- that sounds wrong but u know what I don't mean.

Originally posted by Castro: ...an organ in a difficult area and you want to try to return to its efficiency Leesh? Kyu? Why? Pourquoi? Stitch it back to his forehead, I say. D*ck-head. I'm back.

Originally posted by The Notorious 1-8-7: ^^so what gender are they pursueing? They say they are guys but they act and talk like women. Half and Half maybe? They're pursuing their own gender- spelling it out! They're men if they're men and women if they're women, despite how they act(btw not all are effeminate or butch). What they do is what makes them gay. There's no half-half wa laa nus-nus about it.

Meel aad adigu joogtid, maxaa u hadhay? Waa ba la gaa neefiyey for too long. Axsaantu dadka qaar ma deeqdo! Haven't u got anything better to do? Other than sniff around after me? Uff. Naga durug oo sii soco....fortunately for you yr ticket won't expire.

Uff, well, it hardly sounded like something the Indian tourist board would use, does it? Explaining your words after they are questioned and still being blind to their original meaning, does not mean u get to reproach somebody for pulling u up on it. They were responded to on what they were and not what they got explained as at a later date. In fact, they still read the same to me- critical. So work on your writing. Now, nikal jaw yahaase. Please.

Perhaps u should read yr original words. I can't be bothered with you and your denial, much less your repetitive analysis of me. U sound kind of familiar, overly so. Defend a pagan country? If u claim I'm defending India, it must be because u attacked it. Speaking of India, this topic is for her and its 120 million Muslims, rather defend them than u, kid. Move already.

^no, what they have decided on is what gender to pursue. Gender-confusion doesn't necessarily come into it.

My hypocrisy, re-read your holier-than-thou words and then examine whether u have responded as u have recommended I should. And yes u did suggest India wasn't visiting uless for free, so subhanallah somewhere else, and what do u understand as filthy? Get hooyo to wipe away your tears. Move on.

Xoogsade, really, and why is your comfort more important than exposing an issue? Or my comfort? Really, I'd like to know your answer. I sure don't want to be quizzed on it, either; it can be embarrassing but occassional embarrassment does not debilitate, FGM does. May be we need to learn how to explain this matter when asked without squirming as though we have had a personal hand in it. If u haven't, then u have nothing to be ashamed about. Why drag mother Somalia's honour into it(regardless of how u feel it reflects on it). Keep it simple for the asker: it happens, it's wrong, it's less prevalent. There's no need for shame or defence. Also, this book was not about dealing with FGM; it was mentioned as part of the culture so let's rest that one.

^ Sensitive. Listen, this is a post about India, which u feel nobody should see unless it's a free-ride. If u want to disrespect India u have come to the wrong thread; if u want to question the nature of my visit, it's none of your business if it's not obvious. If u can't be bothered to read the contents, don't expect to be spoon-fed a re-run. You are being lazy, you are disrespecting a whole country, and if u can imagine visiting Kashmir(which u see as beautiful and which incidently is also under India on the map- then why need a reason to justify a visit to India? It must be your imagination that's holding you back, or prejudice. U can call me rude, etc, it's your opinion. I shan't be avoiding you as a result but if u can't handle my method of communicating or my sarcasm by all means, namaste, there's the darwaaza. tired of lazy responses

^ You started this line of thinking and then u have the audacity to say to me: do they know they’re victimised or not? That was your line of thinking. U’re quoting my words but the whole process was instigated by you and I was digging further into it. Perhaps there isn’t far for you to dig- though a hole it is. U have still not explained why an oblivious, victimised woman in the West is more of a victim than one elsewhere. You started the ‘unaware victims’ thought-process or have u forgotten? I truly believe some of the concepts preached in the western world are meant to confuse not to help at all.. Women are victims all over in this universe but I think they are exploited more and victimized more when they don't see and feel and understand the depth of the deceit they are in.... I asked (sigh) why this woman was worse off than an unaware woman in some other part of the world. I was pointing out that a woman could be an unaware victim anywhere and asked u to clarify why u thought one was in a worse position than the other. I also asked.. How can these women who have little information of the outside world analyse what they don’t know, make comparisons and come to conclusions. The Western women can, the information is there for her, educated or not. We were not talking about education or knowledge but their appreciation of their reality- do they know they’re victimised or not? That was your line of thinking. Comparisons! That was the point all along, not what each group of women could do with the information immediately available to them without outside influence. And what they could potentially do with that information- make comparisons and analyse. I did not judge the non-Western woman’s ability to differentiate between good and bad. Merely that they have less info available to them, less to draw upon and analyse. I would say the same had the Western woman had little information available to her. You drag in the feminist thinking in order to dismiss my view; who said anything about selling feminism to the non-West? Who said anything about the information reaching them having to be from the West alone? Your narrow-mindedness in pursuit of dragging feminism into something where it was not needed has made u make an emotive, play-ground taunt- nya, nya, u dissed the parents!! Come on. You started it all by saying: Women are victims all over in this universe but I think they are exploited more and victimized more when they don't see and feel and understand the depth of the deceit they are in.... Now stand by your words and say why the above can be said about women in the West and not about non-Western women- without insulting either side's intelligence- if that is what you believe and if not why! You still haven't made your point well, so analysing my technique is somewhat ambitious. Lol. Easy does it.

^ I don't entertain lazy readers, I cooperate with more active ones who have imagination enough to want to experience another culture and country, and read about it without having to wonder about 'reason'. I will give you this for I'm feeling generous: I went because my husband was placed there by his company. :rolleyes:

No mention of what exactly the negative perception on Somali women as a result of the pictures would be or why FGM shouldn't appear on a book on Somalis. Look what a man can come up with when driven to it by me. All along you have been claiming a negative perception on Somali women. All along. And finally when pushed to define this perception u say: Originally posted by xiinfaniin: But that’s not where my objection emanated. My objection is about the explicit drawing of the thing. I some how feel that the thing assumes a Somali identity, and hence it is not just a female thing, as the book is about Somalia and Somalis. THE THING! THE THING! THE THING! How can I get across my reaction! I’m so flabbergasted and yet this is precisely what I was expecting. You are ashamed about the mutilated genital making everybody- the men included- look bad!!! It makes all Somalis look like the THING. Mercy me, u claim consideration for the women and u yrself can't abide 'the thing' reflecting on you and your identity when it sure as hell has theirs!!!! Somali brotherhood my ar*se, philanthropy be damned. And then u say: Now when one, say a Minnesotan, see what looks like a wounds from a savage beast, would he/she not take away a perception that all Somali Xalimos carry these scars? Now ask me if that’s not a bad perception. I think it is unfair generalization of Somali sisters. Not all of them went through that ordeal. Absoultely if there is a generalisation, that is one that can be made quite, quite safely. And what’s unfair about it? It is not an accusation, it’s a statistical probability. Once again, the women as children were not to blame for what they endured!! So why is it unfair if a foreigner assumes that most Somali women have gone under the rusty blade? It is an assumption that is most likely true. Not all of them have gone under the knife but most have. You and the rest are so ashamed that it reflects badly on you that u’d rather have it hushed. And then u say: I would go even further and assert that great portion of our new generation sisters are save from these wounds. When an unqualified author puts his pen on a paper and commences to parade our secret wounds and display it in the public square, what wisdom do you see in it to fight me teeth and nail when I object? If this book is widely published, I can even begin to imagine what an embarrassment it would be to our high school girls, a generation whose majority, mind you, has safely escaped from that rusty razor. Are they safe by their parents’ choice or has circumstance made it difficult to continue this tradition? Has the Somali community abroad really re-educated itself about this practice? And why the mention of the new generation in the West alone; their mothers, their grandmothers, their great-grandmothers are alive and there are far more of them than the new generation. Should we drop the mention of FGM in Somali-related books because it’s not so prevalent in Somali high school-ers in the West? Finally, once again you have given this book the ambition of tackling FGM when it probably wasn’t the author’s aim. Very little point in discussing that part of your post, is there? Bottom line, u are embarrassed, your embarrassment is far more acute to u than the pain and embarrassment experienced by Somali women- who get asked these questions whatever generation they’re from and whom u claim to want to shield from awkward moments, so this is what drives tour objection. Women will get quizzed regardless, how will you keep this information away from the classrooms? Google ‘fgm Somalis’ and it will return 182,000 results. We are already known for this crime. How is keeping away from classrooms a book written by a Somali going to save the new generation from embarrassment? It won’t! There is no negative perception on Somali women- your mention of embarrassed high school girls squirming when asked is not a negative perception. These young girls are not culpable so have no reason to be seen in a negative way for something they would have no control over if it overtook them. So u’re left with only one of your objections- shame- this is what bothers you, 'the thing' mis-representing us all, sullying Somaliness, creating a visual representation of what a Somali is. Like I’ve said before, it is shame that will keep this practice undiscussed, the shame felt by the likes of you who use words such as 'the thing', in order to dissociate yourself from it, vilify it yourself(so why care what an outsider thinks?!) and fear its reflection on the habits of the Somalis( some already perverse enough). Your attitude is part of the problem, Recognise. Thanks for elaborating. Shame, shame, shame...

^U're welcome. Miscommunication is not a good thing in any kind of relationship. Other than that, your pleasantness shows through well enough and will get you far. I spent quite a bit of time reading up on that mosque so I could share it succintly at your request. :eek: Nice boys have far too much power. Speaking of India and miscommunication. Today at work a group of us spent a good 15 minutes talking about India- me mostly. Things were going pretty well when.. Colleague: on the whole would you say India is worth visiting? Me: Yes, especially Rajasthan... Colleague: and where's that? Is it another country or part of India? Err. Eh?

Originally posted by Tahliil: I truly believe some of the concepts preached in the western world are meant to confuse not to help at all.. Women are victims all over in this universe but I think they are exploited more and victimized more when they don't see and feel and understand the depth of the deceit they are in.... I was responding to the above where u suggest some Western concepts are meant to confuse women. You claim they’re more victimised as they’re unaware of their plight. I suggested the same or worse can apply to victimised women elsewhere. I made it very clear I wasn’t sweeping all other cultures with the same brush. Victimised women in the West(as you suggest) and victimised women elsewhere; that was the comparison. I asked how these women are less exploited. How can these women who have little information of the outside world analyse what they don’t know make comparisons and come to conclusions. The Western women can, the information is there for her, educated or not. We were not talking about education or knowledge but their appreciation of their reality- do they know they’re victimised or not? That was your line of thinking. Yet you say: I think it may come to you as a shock but let me enlighten you a little. A research done by three different anthropologists in Australia and UK concludes that women receive a better justice and get treated with far greater respect in some very "primitive" cultures in Africa and South America than they get in the West (1999). The respect and justice women claim to receive under the west's civilized penal and justice codes and their equality and fair share concepts have long time ago be proven to be a mirage, a deceit my dear. No it does not come as a shock that women receive better justice in SOME so-called primitive cultures. I have seen so-called less primitive cultures where women are treated with greater respect for myself. I have also seen and spent a little time amongst matriarchal societies(right here on planet earth!) but how does any of that help you or me make your point about the unaware female victims of society? Still I’d like to understand why you think an unaware woman in the West is more of a victim than an unaware woman elsewhere? Doesn’t one at least have the possibility of clarity and recognition. Surely this woman would be less of a victim or is there an assumption that she will always remain unquestioning of the information available to her? That would be patronising. Forget about the formalities and the cheap words daily printed on papers: Respect, Equality, Justice, Better Treatment, Human Rights Issue, Abuse (my favorite), Education, Scholars, Activists (my second favorite), Progressive, Liberal, Open-minded, Hip, With the time, Happening, Lean, Fierce, Fighters, Struggle, Feminism, Today’s Women, Vagina Monologue…coded and loaded words like that, forget them…you know…I’d simply die for the honor and respect of my Somali women…. period…forget them those mind controlling words…pure and simple game meant to confuse the narrow-minded of course… This is too much to bare. Ignore all the words in the media and accept yours! Your word that you'd die for the Somali woman. Sorry, I don’t believe you. You will fail at this task that you have set yourself, how many lives do you have to lose- Somali womens' honour and respect are often under attack, Sir Die-A-Lot. Your words are quite hypnotic(though u warn against this, ironically), that repetition, the listing of important issues with less important ones(to dilute all) and then a deletion of all that's in the mind. Not so easy, not so many narrow-minded(perhaps u mean gullible) women amongst us either- shock, horror. P.S: It would be nice if you contributed more regularly. Fresh blood and all that. Slurp. Someone here is obviously trapped in the illusive sense of freedom, or probably taking advantage of it, but in reality such people are the ones whose intellegence is mounted in their eyes, believing only what they see. To them, I send a personal condolence to their passed away morality! And to you they send a one-way ticket to hell. Admin xaafadiisa sii mar though. He has something for you.

Originally posted by Khayr: Salams, I see the Usual Suspects have popped up, all Young, semi-gifted and Restless. That just leaves u and yr gifted self. Were you gifted as a child too or were u reborn with it? :rolleyes:

J, u don't say! I'm wearing glasses and losing my hearing now! Originally posted by xiinfaniin: Waxaan macno lahayn baad ku nuux-nuuxsanaysaa! Faxam la'aan ayaa ragiina idin heysata. Maybe I should start seminars... Gabar, you must have a bone to pick with me then? Why else would you choose to dedicate two paragraphs for such an insignificant issue? I think that you have sharpened your claws for the wrong prey though, and will see if you walk on that fire un-burnt. Don't flatter yourself, waxba maa dhaantid the rest, who list beliefs, jump to conclusions, get their message across badly and indulge in the new past-time: futile threats whilst avoiding backing up their views or expounding when queried. No mention of what exactly the negative perception on Somali women as a result of the pictures would be or why FGM shouldn't appear on a book on Somalis. Waa ka baxay. Waad ka dhex baxi kari weydey, more like!!

^ against forum rules. I can stomach most things but it's not my site! Make your points well within the rules and your contribution will still be effective.

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: There are many plausible strategies to entertain, but writing a book for a western consumption and graphically depict disfigured part in it serves no purpose other than create a new perception about Somali sisters. In black and white, what is this perception? I'm not following you at all. U've said they're not to blame so what else are you suggesting? Midda kale, if one genuinely aims to address this problem would it not be a logical step to target his campaign and direct it to his to the said community? Tell me what is the point of writing a book while the area where this problem persists is in the hinterland of rural Somalia, in which, in my estimate, very few people would be able to get it, much less read? You've ASSUMED this man's on a mission to address FGM and bring about change. The book sounds like a factual, cultural introduction to Somalis. It doesn't sound like its meant to tackle FGM amongst Somalis in the West or somewhere back in Somalia- u have given it this lofty goal. FGM is a part of Somali culture, neglecting its mention would have made the book incomplete. Why does its mention irk some? Are you blushing for the ladies? Whose modesty is at stake here? What I want to understand is why the mere mention of FGM in this man's book as part of the rest of Somali culture should be justified? Why FGM more than uunsi, say? They're both as prevalent. And finally, why would you shrink from your duty and waste your precious energy in seeking fuel for a fire that does not exist? Amelia, as I am sure of it, knows that I of all people would not seek to damage her character or bring unneeded attention to her. That’s not what I do, and if she insists that the imagined ‘little dig’ went deeper than this cyber ground, I will do what I do best, which is retract it and apologize. I wasn't adding fuel, I was agreeing with her. You did put the attention on her unnecessarily, you did patronise her by calling her 'fickle' , u're still patronising her by calling it an 'imagined' dig and it doesn't matter what goes beyond this cyber environment, I don't know nor care to know, I only commented on what I read here and your offer of an apology if your cyber words extend beyond this forum(even though they only occurred within this forum) is the worst sort of I-may-apologise-if-my-bizarre-conditions are met offer I have ever read. Anyway, she'll expand on it or not, let's see whether she imagined your words and dragged their imaginary backsides beyond the cyber world. If so, I'd love to know how. I often imagine the most luxurious, fantastical of scenarios, dragging them into the real world would be a hoot. Amelia ought to givelife-changing seminars and teach that skill- I'd be first in line. What say u, girl? Can you or can't u make the unreal real? Thanks for the info, K.