Originally posted by Matkey: Not really. Somalis are responsible for its political stagnation. "During my interviews in 1992-94, several elders in Baidoa have quoted Omar Jees, the leader of the SPM, which represents the ****** tribr clan of the ******, addressing his followers, after a brief occupation of Baidoa by the SPM: 'Dhul baan idiin qabaney hadii aad dhacasan waydaan waa idinka iyo nacasnimadina: he said. Which means: We have conquered a fertile land for you and your folly that could not keep it; Sheikh Eedin Alyow an elder in Buur Hakaba, portrayed the situation dramatically and convincingly"----Aral Is Ethiopia responsible for what your people have done to inter-riverine region people? pardon me sxb...what do you mean "your people" after u quoted Omar Jees? do i represent Jees? if you have any bones to pick with Mr.Jees that's on you and you can take him to court, granted you can prove the alledged crimes. But it is very treacherous of you to care so much about ***************** but totally disregard the suffering of other somalis, who Ethopia continuously kills and destroys their property. Don't even mention the somalis they colonize,who live under devastating condition because of Ethopia. Aren't riverine pple and other somalis the same pple? somalis, muslims, human beings? Why do you sympathize with one and disregard the others suffering? could it be you think along tribal lines? aren't you the problem? it's pple who have your kind of narrow mentality of "them" against "us" that keep somalis in this digcraceful situation. No body is denying what happened to the riverine pple during the civil war, probably they have suffered more than others or just as much, it don't matter. I sympathize with their suffering, i admire their perseverings, patience,and hard working ethics. They are my pple as much as someone from hamar, i don't think in terms of "them" "us". Brother we have to change our attitude to move forward, we can't keep going in circles blaming each other what some worldlord have done. We already have this blaming problem in this forum, it didn't get us anywhere, it only created more animosity. Please move on. Whether somalis are the problem or not is not the issue, we know that already, we have tribalist, hatefull, selfish somalis. But that don't mean we should ignore foreigners who continuously instigate, aid, and add fuel to the fire. They should be pointed out, i just can't fathom how somalis can defend government like kufr Ethopia. Also, pple need to understand i applaud the president in this case, doesn't mean i like or agree the way he has handled his presidency. We should give credit where credit is due. Gadiid btw "Calooshisa Shaqeyste" goes for all somali politicians or better yet all politicians.

Sayidka was once in a life time phenomena, i don't think somalis can produce such a man. Ilaahoy u naxariiso oo jenada ka waraabi. ameen

Very honest introspective article, but i have a hunch black americans will get defensive and brush it off as a racist article, instead of examinning the article and working on how to better themselves so this kind of articles don't became true in 10 or 20 yrs from now.

** Nomads July 8th was Og-girl's birthday. I know is late, but better late than never right og-girl? *HAPPY LATE BIRTHDAY OG_GIRL*

I hate HomeWork...this witch profesor thinks i live for her class :mad:

The closest i got to hindi movie was Mansoor wedding lol.....but i only remember Hema Malina from back home hindi movies. They are funny when they are translated to somali.

STML_Lady

Camel?..don't remind me...my uncle once gave me a camel, but once his family went broke..he killed mine and eat it... Can u beleive that? lol

Mr. Hassan has given an excellent speech, very thorough. Worllords are not the problem, Ethiopia is. Worllords are just the sypmtoms, but the root cause is Ethiopia. The TNG have laid out their case very well with evidence. What else you want them to do? the president is powerless because Ethiopia is sabotaging every effort he makes. Ethiopia alone was the government in Africa that categorically refused to accept, claiming that the process at Arta, Djibouti, which elected the government was not complete and inclusive. the absence of some parts, made the conference of Arta, what our neighbours called "incomplete" and this year the absence is just "normal" because it suits its foreign policy of dividing Somalia into cantonments. Meles Zenawi, is using all its influence in the IGAD Technical Committee to keep the Northern Region out the conference, I don't know what to say...from the horse's mouth the Arabic newspaper "Al'Khaleej" on Thursday, June 13, 2002, said: "The Prime Minister of Ethiopia, Meles Zenawi, said that the interference in Somalia of his country will continue until a government which controls the whole country is established." Earlier, the Representative of Ethiopia at the United Nations was quoted by the Reuters New Agency on February 21, 2002, as saying: "If the Somalis don't solve their problems then we will do it for them…We wont wait forever." "If we find a majority of players do not want to play the game, we will change the rules of the game." Even the UN can't keep quite anymore..read on On Page 7 of its report to the Security Council, dated 24 February 2003, the Panel of Experts said: Ethiopia's incursions crushed al-Ittihad's military capacity. Since then, however, the Government has used the threat of al-Ittihad as an excuse for Ethiopian involvement in Somali internal affairs." Ethiopia is to blame!

Amiin...Samir iyo Iman ilahay haka siiyo familkiisa.

No bills to pay!

All due respect, why all this blare about May May, i don't see the significance, legalized or not, its still going to be a second language, because majority of us don't speak it. However it would be interesting to see what the nomads have to say about the legit questions brought to the fore by sophist. There are pacts of weakness (Federal State of Somalia), who is going to draw the map of the state borders, and what are their jurisdictions? What is the role of federal government? What is the role of these states? This system is going to be a source of all troubles. As you know this pact advances those groups that have established local administrations. What about those who haven't organized themselves or established their own clan administration? What does this pact say about them? Who decides, who is the state, and their borders/jurisdictions? Since the whole federalism is going to be based on tribal areas, what is going to happen regions that two or more different clans inhabit; for example Sanaag or Mudug.? These seem legit questions, lets hear it from our savvy political commentators of this site, bashe, samurai and his 'academia circles' ,hornafrique, and all the rest. There are other problems that have far worst implications than which dialect somalis speak. Lets unravel and focus on those issues mentioned above. thanks

Instead of focusing on those "wanna be thugs or hood rats" isn't better to look at those successful somalis.. I agree with hijabified here...there are far more somalis pursuing positive goals than negative, focus on the positive brother.

. Somalis in shatown around 1915?...wow, but its very possible...they don't call us nomads for no reason lol...seriously though i think they are somali.

Sup How come i didn't meet all these pple? i was there chellin like a villain in the corner,lol i only saw ayanick and in a distance xafsa aka flying still that is it. I was about to yell "all SOL crowd please move this side" cuz so many pple running around, how am i suppose to tell who is who?, but it was ok overall. The concert was cool though, only if they kept that light off for few straight songs would have been better,lol Opinionated....no i didn't go t.dot,,,i hear that event is/was wack. Also, low turn out cuz of sars. Any nomads went there? how was it? Xafsa..why u didn't introduce me to the nomads u met,,,u the only one that know me, thats bad.

Ayanick call me, i will give you a ride, thats no problem! I should be in the city tom'row evening. Raula you is a skyhigh? lol what's your number? anyway about the important pple, they must be pretty important if they waiting for a call,,lol anouncement on SOL wasn't enough eh.. but will get right to it...aight. Directions....only if it is held same place as last year. --Take Minnehaha all the way until it ends and the park is there, just park there, than walk in to the falls and you should see bunch of somalis running around...you just can't miss it. MIZZ UNIQUE It should end around 8-9pm...don't worry though...you will have plenty of time to make to the concert lol Instinct Poet give more detailed direction. SEE YOU THERE EVERYONE!

Insha allah i will be there. Previous ones were fun.

Opinionated with 4 solid votes. ^^she has 4 votes? Why and How? who is voting for her? what exactly have she contributed to SOL, recount plse. is she paying you guys? anyways add my vote for her don't be mad know...

is that sniper...the real sniper? lol welcome back..is been long.. anyway i thought only back waxing was allowing for the fellas lol... was she chinese..those women will do anything for $$$ lol

lol Jawahiir what is this? is it like bp...where you just create a page and have some info & pic...something like a community? very neat ha

This is interesting! I don't beleive 'Pax Americana Plan' exists, these morons are just too ****** to have such a long term plan. Mostly their plans are short term, their thinking is 'what can we do now to gain something today' otherwise they wouldn't have made the same mistakes over and over again.

Happy Independence Day Everyone! ps. did anyone went to the block party sat. in mpls?

Donald Rumsfeld John Ascroft sxb are you sure these two are Jewish? damn...

It's obvious this women lacks diplomatic skills. It's one thing to utter such garbage at the local biibito but to bring such tribelistic bigotry to international newsroom is taking it to another level and embarassment to landers, really. Don't she see kissing ass didn't get pple anywhere before and it will not anytime soon? Once you respect yourself others will, entertaining gaalo by degrading others will not work.

STHLM Lady..yeah this was funny topic lol I would choose 'A' ..........ladies why u looking at me like that