soomaaliya afar-iyo-toban sano dowlad la'aan produced by STN somali telemedia network showing muqdisho as it really is with no cock n bull stories; a devastated city symbolising the rest of the country; a shattered nation that used to be beautiful and serene. watch this video clip and than think carefully about opposing geedis government.

my picture of the somali landscape at june the 2nd looks like this: TFG sets base in jowhar TFG welcomes the first batch of AU troops Mogadishu warlords still not realizing its goals of clearing the city from militia and military hardware Baydhabo still in a tense situation Puntland increases its presence in SSC regions with its ceerigaabawi VP Somaliland dealing with a bolder dictator by the day All in all no major changes. artificial peace in somalia upheld, yet war is looming somewhere, anywhere

Originally posted by Somali_Patriot: Happy May 18 reer Somali-land. May you inshallah stay working for peace, and eventually work for the peace of Somaliweyn and all uumma muslimiin. Amiin Amiin Amiin

madaxweynaha dowlad gobaleed Puntland Jaamac Cali Jaamac hornafrique, your source is by this verdict officialy declared bogus.

The Islamic Ten Point Plan for America 1) Multiply Islamists as fast as possible by immigration, birth & conversion in prisons. They have over 8 million. There were over 30,000 new converts to Islam in the three months after September 11. Numbers have increased 16 times in 16 years. You do the math. 2) Teach children to hate Christians and Jews. There are already over 300 Islamic schools in the U.S. In addition the mosques and many of their parents teach them to hate us. Same as in Israel. 3) Train black leaders to produce racially inspired marches and race riots on demand. Jackson and Sharpton will do it. Farakkhan has been doing it for years. The ‘67 riots will be back, but two hundred times bigger. 4) Cut off U.S. ties to Israel. This is being done slowly and we will not notice. Now we have recognized an anti-God state in the middle of God’s Land - nothing should surprise us. 5) Take as much control as possible of the Media. Make sure interviews are loaded on the side of Islam. Portray Islam as a peaceful religion. Fool our President and cabinet first. 6) Appeal to Americans sympathy for minorities. (Not the smaller Jewish minority of course). 7) Get Muslims into government and business. Have you ever noticed how many Doctors, Lawyers, Judges and computer specialists are Islamic? 8) Promote fear of terrorism. Then offer peace on Islamic terms. Pattern this after what has been done in Israel. 9) When the time is right destroy the American economy transportation and infrastructure by cutting the oil supply completely. Remember what a price increase did? In fact the last 4 recessions were caused by oil problems. Total shutdown of oil will cause riots in favor (believe it or not) of the Islamists. People will demand we do whatever the Saudis say as long as they can drive their cars. 10) Use stored nuclear, chemical and biological weapons. The Islamic Terrorists in the U.S. have all the weapons they need right here in America. Those items already completed or well on the way are marked in red (bold). The others can easily be accomplished within ten years. Remember this is not a movie script.You cannot walk away from it.This is real life!

nope that doesnt make sense. u have gone all the way to somalia to visit ur family and u didnt bother to visit ur reer abti in puntland. ceeb! laakiin ok i see what u mean. u do have to admit, you confused this brotherman. well you guessed wrong about my family. according to hornafriques logic, you would be my habaryar. my mother is not what one would call reer puntland. hooyadeey waa shiqaal. a clan of quran teachers. while my father is a reer puntland born in dire dawa, raised by his reer djibouti mother. - now if u excuse me, i have a rendez-vous with my toy planes -

johnny b, no offense but you write as if u come from a mental institution. he gets quoted and jump around thinking: Boi ama living legend n i don´t even KNOW about it just get a hold on yourself kid. anyway, i could make up of that incoherent post that you want to scare me, give me nightmares and so and so **yawn**. what do you wanna do? you cant loot the same property twice, aint that so rahima? gotta go johhny and rahima, thxn for the laugh.

rahima, youre trying to tell us you have familial ties with reer puntland. reer boorama aad sheegaysay meeye? next time youre gonna say your mother comes from NFD. what a joke.

rahima= I did not make that statement (one of the women did) nor did I care to inquire. I was just lazing around at my eedos (my fathers cousin) house when they begun expressing their distaste for CY (mainly over the foreign troops issue) and that had the leader being someone more respectable (i.e. not warlord) and preferably reer Mogadishu (as apparently SLs are more favourable to them) the issue of unity would of have been more promising. or they were prolly thinking that the 1991 hutu revolution in the south and north (seccesionists) againts the apparently boogieclan that c/yussef hails from has gone down the drain now the boogieclan as your cousin Johnny B formulates it; are back with a capital B. so someone respectable and from mogadishu as a president would have increased the chances of unity and peace more promising soo ma ahan? well c/geddi fits this description and hes prime minister. ama somalis wont settle for anything less than president. that bullshit got us in this mess in the first place. tell your relatives not to worry. the man they wanted (reer mogadishu) and whose not a warlord is the head of government. maybe they should praise c/yussef for choosing someone as PM that was wanted by your relatives and thousands alike. windtalker= I've never been against self-determination. The problem is, Somaliland politicians have self-determined the destiny of people that they DON'T represent (namely Sool, Sanaag and Cayn - where opposition is strongest). The other thing is that I believe in this Somali idiom: Hawl aad bilawday ceeb laguma sagootiyo. Somaliland politicians should've finished the work they started in 1991. If they'd taken the correct route from the onset, I don't think they would have a hard time convincing SSC or other folks to join their crusade. But Somaliland's correct route begun in 1997 (before that, too many political battles between Habar this or Habar that), and by '98 Puntland was in existence, giving Reer SSC another option. Therefore, I think the fore-founders of 'Somaliland' had it wrong from the beginning for two reasons: one, they wanted to bring back colonial borders (an impractical issue, given Somalia's post-1991 status); and secondly, they declared independence because they were "victims" (which they were, along with everyone else) of Barre's (alaha u naxaristo) regime! Surely that made the SNM folks unite! But Somaliland is "ideally" supposed to include non-SNM folks. I don't believe they feel this unity. well thats not really an answer to my question. i know that you are in favor of selfdetermination. anyone who understand somalias history knows that it is necessary. but the notion of somaliland is in a whole other dimension. its against somali unity. and worse, the carriers of that notion are not even fit to carry that goal. cuz theyre mostly tribalists whom exaggerate their victimhood and see this as a chance to become a big fish in a small pond than a lil tuna in a sea of sharks. now you told me what the somaliland idea carriers could have achieved if they were straightforward and not so antagonistic towards anti-snm reer woqooyis like reer SSC up front and in lesser extent awdalians. bro, doesnt that confirm the old saying; gardarro weligeed ma guuleeysto...

general duke, u are aware that contraflow is a lady right? than come on man, make ur move sxb! just look at the funny conversation between you two. hahaha damn

Shidane Arone’s Case Sparks a Tumultuous Debate in the Canadian War Museum By Mohamed M. Bakayr Shidane Arone’s body was buried in his hometown of Beletweyne, but his image ended up in the Canadian War Museum. For more than a decade, the case of Shidane Arone has been a tumultuous roar among Canadians. In late 1992, about nine hundred soldiers of the Canadian Airborne Regiment were dispatched to Somalia. The Regiment’s mission in Somalia had been to help alleviate the misery that Somalis were going through at the time. More specifically, the soldiers’ duty had been to safeguard civilians against the armed gangs who were roving all over the places and were killing civilians at random. At the time, Somalia was engulfed by unscrupulous civil wars and unprecedented famines. People were dying by the thousands, but they did not know what they were dying for or who was killing them! While bullets were killing some people, other peoples’ lives were being taken by hunger and acute malnutrition. At that desperate time, Canada wanted to help Somalis in their habitations. However, what many Somalis cheered for and welcomed turned into a nightmare. Actually, many victimized Somalis did not ask for trouble; they needed a helping hand, but their expectation was not fulfilled. Shidane Arone was only 16 years old when his head was cruelly bashed and his innocent life was taken by a sadistic soldier who was sent to Somalia in order to assist civilians, not to murder them. Unfortunately, Shidane found himself in the wrong place, what he thought to be a glimmer of hope proved to be a deadly end. Hunger drove the poor teenager to where death lay in wait for him; he approached the Regiment’s compound, hoping that he would get some provisions that could extinguish and quench the fire that hunger was kindling in his stomach. However, his hope vanished, and his thirst and hunger transformed into death, that slow death. As Shidane was being tortured, he screamed, pled for his life and called for help, but nobody came to his rescue. Although his whimper awakened some soldiers who were sleeping at the time, they did not salvage the vulnerable boy from death and did not attend to the matter at all. While Corporal Clayton Matchee, a member of the Canadian Airborne Regiment in Beletweyne, was torturing and murdering Shidane Arone, Kyle Brown, another solider from the same regiment, was taking pictures of the unaided teenager. At that sinister time of March 1993, Shidane’s soul was separated from its hunger baked body. To this date, Shidane’s image portrays the brutal way in which he had been tortured and murdered. In 1995, Canada conducted a prolonged inquiry about Shidane’s miserable death. The aim of the inquiry was to find out what went awry and the circumstances that surrounded the death of the innocent youth. However, I am not in a position here to unravel the findings of the inquiry or how it was concluded. I spare the details of this case for other fellow contributors who might be willing to stretch out the case and elaborate on it a bit more. A new Canadian War Museum was opened on May 8, 2005. Many Canadians across the country celebrated the official opening of the new Canadian War Museum in Ottawa. The opening marked the 60th anniversary of victory in Europe. The mission of the Museum, as Canada’s prime Minster put it, is “to honour all those brave men and women, who have lived through wars, both overseas and on the home front, by sharing their stories with future generations.†The Museum holds thousands of assorted artifacts. Of these artifacts, though, there is one piece of artifact that has stood out and has enraged some Canadians; it is the picture of Shidane Arone. On the one hand, there are Canadians who are averse to the inclusion of Shidane’s portraits in the Museum’s collection; the opponents argue that such a portrait mortifies and degrades the reputation of the Canadian military, for the image shows the blood soaked head of the helpless boy being bashed and squashed by a Canadian soldier. For instance, Cliff Chadderton, a war veteran who chairs the National Council of Veterans, was infuriated by the inclusion of Shidane Arone’s paintings in the Museum. The veteran condemned the portrait and threatened to boycott the Museum’s ceremonial opening altogether. As he says, the portrait is embarrassing and does not bring any integrity to the country. To him, “ the paintings are a trashy, insulting tribute and should not be part of a Museum honouring Canada’s military heritage.†Another Canadian comments on Shidane’s portrait and says, “One of the first images to confront visitors when they enter the new Canadian War Museum is not about war but about shame.†On the other hand, there are other Canadians who disagree with Mr. Chadderton on the whole issue. They are of the opinion that Shidane Arone’s paintings are as good as any other war artifacts in the Museum. After all, Shidane’s paintings tell their side of the story; they portray how the poor boy was tormented and murdered by a sadistic solider who was paid and sustained by Canadian taxpayers in order to convey the country’s values and justice to unstable parts of the world. Hence, the advocates argue that it is not Shidane’s image that lowers the reputation of the Canadian military, but it is the barbaric actions of the Canadian solider who murdered the blameless boy. The murderer shuttered the future and stability of Shidane’s parents and at the same time belittled Canada’s heritage and values. Here, Dr. Laura Brandon, the Museum’s curator of war art, is adamant about keeping Shidane’s paintings in the Museums. In the words of Dr. Brandon, “ It is part of Canada’s military history. We are a military history Museum: our job is to tell… military history, warts and all.†Shidane Arone’s case has sparked a tumultuous debate in the Canadian War Museum. When one sees the victim’s image in the media, one gets sick and saddened. The image speaks for itself. A Canadian soldier inhumanely victimized the boy in his hometown of Beletweyne, Hiiraan, Somalia, in 1993. While Some Canadians say the portrait should be excluded from the Museum’s collection, other Canadians say the portrait ought to be part of the Museum’s holdings. Mohamed M. Bakayr

well like i said the nilotic tribes like the ppl of southern sudan are distant cousins of the somali ppl. as u can see garang resembles the classic somali look in one way or another. the VP tho. yes he can be mistaken for a somali. but his oversized nose would make him an exception among somalis.

che guevara think before you post! how can you barge in here and accuse ppl of wishing for war? especially when you look at how sensitive war is to us somali ppl. we all have different views on somali politics, thats why there is a forum. to exchange those views. this is politics, there always are sides, because if you have a developed mind you choose a side that you think is the right side in your opinion, a side that enhances the chances to your goals. if you cant stand the heat, than get the hell out of the kitchen!

TO ALL OF YOU MORONS, WE ARE NOT MIXED ARABS/AFRICAN! we are simply somalis. some ppl are so dumb and ignorant walaahi. the masai and samburu dont look like west africans either, but they also dont look like us. does that mean that they are mixed? hell no! they are what they are as Allah swt intended them to be. some of you are mentally enslaved. you believe the bullshit of those old ugly white men who divided the complex world into black, white, yellow and red. than what are the indians? yellow? dont think so! what are the arabs? white? dont think so! you see the world is complicated and there are no races. somalis are in the same boat, its incorrect to say that because somalis dont look like other 'blacks' (whatever the hell that supposed to mean) or 'whites' (ditto), that we must be mixed then? we are somalis, wich is a ppl part of the hamitic family along with ethiopians, eritreans etc. the human race have been living on this planet for tens of thousands of years. dont you think that the people of the horn of africa have much deeper roots than medieval arabia and dark africa. haddad, the sudanese foreign minister on that pic looks more like a reer xamar or barwaani than a mainstream somali.

http://www.garoweonline.com/2004pro/index.php?id=804 sharjah emirate will assist in the construction of a modern airport for boossaasso, expansion and construction of boossaassos port and a maternal and pediatric hospital. the emirate didnt confirm about assisting the police force of puntland and still leaves the question of where the hospital (boossaasso, garoowe or gaalkacyo) blank, but most likely boossaasso and maybe garoowe.

Now, the on goings of Bossasso and Puntland are irrelevant to me personally and I have nothing against any of the people from Puntland. But why these matters do not seem to preoccupy some of the natives/patrials of the region and why some of them in this forum seem all to eager to discuss Somaliland internal affairs, propagating myths and otherwise considering themselves experts on Somaliland all the while ignoring some of the real deficiencies (to put it mildly) of their homeland is quite a mystery. lander i totally agree. some puntlanders here as well as (nolanders) are obsessed with somaliland. you have this gentleman windtalker who some ppl would believe is a hargeysa native or something based on siduu arimaha soomaalilaan ku mashquulsan yahay. which i see as pure waste from a fellow puntlander who seems to be knowledgable and bright. what confuses me is that hes supposed to be against the notion of somaliland, yet he is busy on telling what somalilanders should do to get recognized. i mean wtf? :confused: but you do have to admit that you just generalized the puntlanders in SOL politics section. you have ppl like me who do like to discuss puntland politics. you have general duke who discusses actual events, the TFG and its progress. and many more. about boossaasso, you have to understand that it is a town that became a large city without a government. therefore local ppl have found easy ways of entering the criminal world. this whole problem that is typical to boossaasso; ppl trafficking, drugs smuggling, modern piracy etc. in the somali context; poverty and lawlessness these practices can hardly be seen as crimes, but as a way of living just like the devastating charcoal traders and khaadwales. shit hits the fan though, when some criminals become so bold that they intend to throw the ppl they smuggle in the red sea. or when smuggled loads of 'innocent' marihuana and ethiopian liquor changes to more serious business. than there really is a problem. i think as long as foreign vessels keep fishing the somali coasts without permission with illegal methods and tools. than i welcome any attack of somali pirate militias from boossaasso on them. what comes around, goes around. by the way, c/yussef or the puntland government as a whole doesnt benefit from the illegal activities of its constituents. its actually damaging to them, as c/yussef and PL were and are the ones with ties to the foreign fishing companies whom got permission to fish in somali waters in turn for a generous payment. the pirates are lawless militias loyal to no one, except their subsubclan elders. P.S. Should we now start a thread titled Bossasso is an "evil" town? bring it on. :cool:

pix of an average somali town called qardho in northeast somalia in the fat period.

nothing compared to somalia of yesteryears. but good pix tho.

I swear A/yusef and his fellow mahbars think they can outsmart anyone. can u explain to us what mahbar means. was it some kind of insulting word to northeasterners? help me out here. general duke, wlc back bro. SOL was kinda boring without ur presence. dadka qaarkood weeyba kibreen, when they realised ur outta town.

That's what Sky said about Puntland soldiers in Bay and Bakool. now its getting a bit tragic hornafrique. just admit, u were talking plain, good ole BS. even in the most notorious mafreshes they wouldnt ever dare to come with that kinda BS. gedonet and hornafrik dont come with propaganda? the first one blows out everything outta proportion when theres a conflict in puntland. they even increased the numbers that died in a small conflict in sanaag, to make it look worse. the latter is just a boring website with an ugly lay-out. they can get some advice of garoweonline if u ask me. u fell for the conspiracy BS again kid. PL troops in bay n bakool, c/yussef is an amateur politician, ET is running the TFG show. obviously u spend a lotta time around ppl who talk like this day n nite.

Shaati-Guduud/Deerow Isxaq are being supported by Ethiopian weaponry combined with Puntland foot-soldiers. do u live in ur own dreamworld sxb?

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ngongé, i agree. if somalis were a mixture of bantus (kongo-kordofan family) and arab (semitic family), than we wouldnt have the physical traits that we literaly enjoy today. we know of southern indians and malays (some somalis resemble these ppl too) have reached lands as far as the comoros, seychelles and madagascar. so its not impossible that some might have ended up in the horn of africa and mingled with the somalis centuries back. but theres more to it, if that picture was so powerful as u think. than tuaregs in the sahara can be from bangladesh to for the same reasons. so that doesnt really add up. but i think we are cushitic people, its as simple as that. somalis are closely related to ethiopians, eritreans. more distant cousins are the nilotic ppls; masai, dinka, tutsi etc. scientifically, this is the most probably theory. the arab forefather mythology is totally bogus, i pity those that really believe in that. we arent semitic. we are cushitic.

^^^ u are listening to all hose tracks at once? bro, who u trying to fool? loool but u in to keane? ***somewhere only we knowhhhh*** ...dont tell anyone, but when i hear them on the radio, i pop up the volume. im listening to snoop doggs latest; ups n downs/bang out. :cool:

phanta rhei, that was a beautiful poem to read.