contraflow= I dont believe in that you can force on people what they clearly dont want( this is exactly what A/Y is doing) and the majority of the people in Mog want a government but certainly not one headed by we all know which clan. Now you can all try to spicen it up but that is the underlying fact. yep if the ppl of muqdisho are fine with being opressed than damn it so be it! but NOT! if the situation in muqdisho is literaly holding the rest of somalia hostage. than it IS my business wether or not the ppl of muqdisho want this or that. if they want something that isnt compatible with the danta guud of the somali ppl dhamaan, than may Allaah bless c/yussef in forcing these ppl a government. but i dont think its the ppl of muqdisho that like to be opressed and are against a government, so that cant be the problem. the problem is the other way around. the few that OPRESS this ppl i mentioned, the few that are against any government (wether headed by their own or by 'shisheeye' like c/yussef who comes from the far away puntland). zero tolerance after 14 years of misery. for all the ppl: if you are anti-tfg, than youre anti-government, and if youre anti-government, than youre anti-somalia. and if youre anti-somalia and like somalia to suffer to gain something personally, i will make sure i will hunt you down like a bloodhound.

contraflow= I dont believe in that you can force on people what they clearly dont want( this is exactly what A/Y is doing) and the majority of the people in Mog want a government but certainly not one headed by we all know which clan. Now you can all try to spicen it up but that is the underlying fact. yep if the ppl of muqdisho are fine with being opressed than damn it so be it! but NOT! if the situation in muqdisho is literaly holding the rest of somalia hostage. than it IS my business wether or not the ppl of muqdisho want this or that. if they want something that isnt compatible with the danta guud of the somali ppl dhamaan, than may Allaah bless c/yussef in forcing these ppl a government. but i dont think its the ppl of muqdisho that like to be opressed and are against a government, so that cant be the problem. the problem is the other way around. the few that OPRESS this ppl i mentioned, the few that are against any government (wether headed by their own or by 'shisheeye' like c/yussef who comes from the far away puntland). zero tolerance after 14 years of misery. for all the ppl: if you are anti-tfg, than youre anti-government, and if youre anti-government, than youre anti-somalia. and if youre anti-somalia and like somalia to suffer to gain something personally, i will make sure i will hunt you down like a bloodhound.

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^^ true that bro. its just the name and stance of allpuntland that makes them say this ridiculous shit. the website itself is definetily harmless. if i were them, i would fear the 'venom' of some other puntland websites more than allpuntland if you know what i mean. for example, garowe online used to and still has editorials where it attacks those anti-government ppl like jumatatu and rahima directly. you wont see allpuntland doing that. rahima= one can feel the anger in the words. It's almost like if you could strangle me you would. almost? just kiddin'

Originally posted by Jumatatu: ^^ Wind sxb first take a chill pill and dont get so absorbed into everything about Yeey. Keep in mind everybody has to go including him.And Wind it is not envy it is bitter anger.. I thought you already recorded my malicious intent long time ago. loool .... and than hes expecting to be taken serious after this post. now this is a good joke! Would you believe this.....? man you take me for a fool or something? hell no!

haha comparing allpuntland to those pathetic websites is pure comedy. im not saying this, becuz the guys behind allpuntland are my kinsmen (as some of you might think), but lets get real. those garbage websites have been proven to be liars many times, by actual reports about facts on the ground. dayniile has a webmaster that suffers from multiple personality disorder for goodness sake! while allpuntland is so reliable that it is actually a boring newssite. im not kidding, this is the solid truth amigos. allpuntland aint even the most popular website among the ppl of the tip of the horn of africa anymore. sbc online, garowe online, somalitalk, puntlandpost etc took over puntland media. allpuntland is just too boring. rahima, gabarey, youve seen how general duke always makes sure he has sources from the websites that arent eye to eye with each other to prove its the real deal. now does he really deserve that outburst?

there is no such thing as fortune-tellers. i sense that this post was supposed to be funny. the cayn bit was just sraight up comical, you can put a smile on the toughest crowd with that one. and s/barre listening to advise from a fortune-teller, man that just threw me off my chair.

the split on the most expensive highway ever built in somalia occured between sheerbi and ceeleey between boossaasso and qardho in gobolka bari. the gu' rain is still going like a madman in puntland. walee whats up with disaster after disaster in puntland, yaah? tsunami, drought, floods, you name it! waa in meeshaan buundo laga dhisaa fast! you know how crazy the khaad cars are. theyll go dukes of hazards style flying with the car, i mean we talking knightrider imitations man.

general duke= I have a question, how or when did this caste system start??? And why these particular clans, and not others for they share the same religion, language and ethnicity with us?? its all jealousy bro. these ppl are more talented and are needed by society. unlike most somalis, these ppl have another way of generating income than pastoralism or agriculture sxb. they are blacksmiths, barbers, entertainers, magicians etc. while the ppl that do this dumb shit to them, can only milk animals. rahima= Brother get real and be honest. My mother told me about the horrific stories of how they were treated in Gaalkacyo. It doesn't sound any better than this. never said that. just confronted suldaanka with his lame statement. but i know how bad it is everywhere in the horn, and ive seen how bad it is in gaalkacyo. but we must mention another group too that suffers even more; the somali bantus.

Madaxweyne Ismaaciil Cumar Geele iyo safarkiisii Washington ee cariga Mareykanka Madaxweynaha dalka Jabuuti Mudane Ismaciil Cumar oo dhawaan booqasho gaaban ku yimid dalka Mareykanka ayaa waxaa xaflad soo dhaweyna ah loogu qabtay Hotelka Intercontinental ee magaalada Washington. Xafladaas oo ay ka soo qayb galeen jaaliyadda Soomaaliyeed ee Mareykanaka Madaxweyne Ismaaciil Cumar Geele waxaa halkaas uu kula kulmay qaar ka mid abwaano iyo Fannaano Soomaaliyeed uuna hor kacayey Abwaan Maxamuud Cabdullahi Sangub iyo xidigaha fannaka Saado Cali Warsame iyo Fatuma Cali Nakruma. Fannaaniita Soomaaliyeed ayaa waxay halkaas ku guddoonsiiyeen madaxweyne Geele Bilad sharaf uu ku muteystay sida uu ugu taagan yahay xal u helidda dhibaatada ummadda Soomaaliyeed. Waxaa sidoo kale u hambalyeey Jaaliyadda reer Jabuuti ee degan dalka Maraykanka ee oo hogaaminayey Cabdiraxmaan Ciise Kaahin, Cabdi Qayad iyo Xaaskiisa Khadra Qassim Mudane Ismaacill Cumar Geele ayaa ka dhoofay Magaalada Washington Maalintii Axadda taariikhduna ahayd 15 May, 205

suldaaanka= (Which in comparison has better record than their peers in South - nontheless still unacceptable in democratic Somaliland), thats not true. somalilanders are known to be most distasteful towards these poor, helpless ppl. in central and eastern somalia, the situation is a bit better, becuz its seen as a sign of cowardice to target these helpless ppl. in the south, the situation for them is the best. there they are left alone and sometimes even respected. which confirms the traditionally peaceful, open-minded, laid back attitude of southern somalia. this is the report of one from the minority groups: beesha gabooyaha oo xuquuq ku lahayn maamulada s/l iyo p/l, maciina baday fawdada koofurta

i bet he cant even handle an ak. this is what will happen to a moron like him when he tries to fire an assault rifle: http://www.qarxis.com/node/65 enjoy brotherman!

sheikh muhammad. much love and respect. nothing but love and respect for someone who loves his country so much. i salute you brotherman!

Originally posted by Admin: ^^ SKY and WIND.TALKER, please edit tribal names from your post. This is absolutely unacceptable. If you guys keep disrespecting the rules of the website, we would have no choice but to suspend your posting rights. We have rules. Please respect them. No mention of any derogatory tribal nicknames. Please. Warning. Admin Somalia Online Team allright admin, i respect the rules and im sorry. just dont say that i used derogatory tribal nicknames, becuz i didnt. im not here to bash windtalker, we were having a friendly, but heated debate.

definetily i agree with you. c/musse should be observed carefully, but you said yourself that you think he did something bad by appointing two of his close kinsmen to some important offices and you bashed him for that. thats different than following his actions. shacab is a great newspaper and will have a special place in my heart, for i was interviewed along with 4 of my cousins by the editors when we were in garoowe as the qurbojoog dhalinyaro who visited their homeland. summer 2004 was a summer where puntland was infested with spoiled kids from the west. (not me included, im not a spoiled fatso). anyway back to the topic, i blame that guy afqurac for this. he was the one who closed shacab, lets hope c/musse is busy to undo that decree. but ill just keep my mouth shut from now on. we didnt read the article that was such a pain for afqurac. so if we are really talking about articles that could have jeopardised puntlands fragile peace than they are guilty as charged. but as you said the legislation has a different opinion than the government. lets just see what happens in garoowe, i have a feeling its not over. windtalker= Okay, let's debate. Define 'Puntlander'. Is ANYONE from certain Somali clans deemed a 'Puntlander' at the expense of other Somalis? If that's your definition, I'm not with it. im not the one to define puntlanders. the puntland charter defines what puntlander is. and the puntland charter, which is a charter that all the puntland issim, waxgarads, jaaliyada dibadda, siyaasiyiinta and shacabka buntilaan agreed upon was that a puntlander is someone who is born into the clans that traditionally settle puntland. i cant be any more blunt than that. as for your ciyaal xamarnimo. i know the feeling. your talking to a puntlander whose greatgreatgrandfather migrated to iskuraran, muqdisho. one of the first somalis that settled within the falls of muqdisho of that time, becuz it was forbidden for somalis to live within the walls. since him all the generations were born n raised in xamar. nobody can deny me my birthright to have muqdisho as a home. my granduncle has been the architect of most buildings in the new districts like wadajir and dharkaynley for s/barre, now its claimed by some warlord moron. so at present im a puntlander and it will stay that way, becuz this was a wake up call. it was a dumb move to invest so much, so far away from 'home'. look at s/barres folks, they had the government! now they are reduced to caabuudwaaq and gedo. areas considered at the bottom of development of somalias provinces according to various samafal organisations. while boossaasso and hargeysa were ranked highest (coïncidentally areas dominated by s/barres most famous victims).

Originally posted by AYOUB_SHEIKH: Sky I liked the old man before and it was nice to see him at the anti-war protest in London. Whether he supports Somaliland should not really matter (especially to the likes of you) or should it... you know what ayoub, it does matter. it really does matter! this man is someone i respect, an african socialist who made zambia one of the most peaceful african countries in history! if hes naïve enough to swallow the hargeysa propaganda than ill make sure that i revise my perspective on him somewhat you know what i mean. two weeks ago djibouti president ismaaciil cumar geele invited c/yussef (somali president) and c/musse (c/yussef president) to his inauguration ceremony. somaliland officials were not invited. isnt it logical that somaliland takes note of this action and revises its take on its friendship with djibouti. daahir riyaale i mean, we all know how the somaliland ppl hate djiboutis (and puntlands) policy to economically suck somaliland dry.

jumatatu= Sky, you want Reer Muqdisho to believe coming from you that these guys are their enemies while C/llahi Yusuf is their saviour. Just turn around the situation and tell me if you would have belived them had they advised you the same, I doubt it. you mean if i was suffering under a brutal, selfish warlord in a lawless northeastern somalia and somebody like xoogsade whose enjoying the fruits of effective, unified maamul for benaadir and artificial peace under relatively good leadership? oh hell yeah! jumatatu= In other words Pukelanders are happy to see the back of Colonel Yeey.. walaal caayda naga dhaaf yaakhey, war see waay waxaan ninyahow? of course we are happy to see the back of c/yussef, laakiin thats not becuz hes an evil tyrant. puntland has reached a stage where hes not needed anymore. hes needed elsewhere, namely southern somalia - waxaana ka wadaa southern somalia, everything south of gaalkacyo. windtalker= Cadde Muse, as a human being, isn't flawless. He made the mistake of making the head of Bossasso port his clan-cousin, a suspicious act. To make matters worse, he also named another clan-cousin to the Puntland Cabinet, against the already-agreed upon rules of Puntland power-sharing. His flaws must be pointed out.----SXB, I don't consider myself a 'Puntlander', I am a Somali guy who grew up in Kaaraan & Gaheyr hoods.----I really don't get you sxb. Why do you play the role of the propagandist? Just be yourself, for the sake of your soul. first of all indeed theres nothing amusing about the truth, but 'your' truth is just straight up hilarious. if you dont mind i quoted some of what you said that intrigued me. general c/musse is truly an honest man and for sure hell be dealt with if he displays bad attitude. oday or not, haraanti baa laga daalayaa duqa! but he didnt do anything wrong! so why bash him waryaa? he has the right to appoint his clan-cousins for boossaasso port manager and chief of cabinet. there are more important offices and not to mention that c/yussefs subclan of mudug hold the most ministries than any other subclan in puntland under c/musse which was not the case during c/yussef. also boossaasso which is de facto controlled by cumar militia in daraawiish uniforms have never been antagonized by c/musse. tell me where he displays favoritism? dont just jump and karbaash anyone sxb just to pretend to be 'an honest individual', because ill show you your moments of dishonesty: you say you dont consider yourself a puntlander but just a soomaali maryooley from kaaraan and gaheyr in xamar. but wasnt it you who boasted about being nugaal resident for life and dangoronyo, eyl and garoowe is the bomb and all that shit? again, stick to one thing please brotherman. to knock my teeth out, or so you thought, you commented that im playing the colonel yeey propagandist. this is so funny actually, becuz everybody that opposes c/yussef (mostly out of personal vendetta: monsieur windtalker or tribal animosity= monsieur jumatatu) are left off the hook, but as every coin has two sides, the other side like general duke who happens to support c/yussefs government and other ppl such as myself are seen as: baribaris, propagandists, diehard cheerleaders, c/yussef groupies etc etc etc etc. ya know, i was taught in debating classes that when ppl lower themselves to insults that they are, how shall i say this delicately..losers!

ex-president of zambia was an impressive statesman. i think i have his picture together with somalias ex-prime minister m/cigaal in my hard drive. very smart move of the somaliland government to send invitations to as many influencial ppl as possible to explain the seccesion. lets just hope kenneth kaunda and others wont fall for your traps. hopefully and undoubtedly the seccesionist camp will fail miserably, as is the trend since 2003. im longing for a united somalia ma garatay.

When Edna showed her three Somaliland passports attached to each other to the audiences and told them that she travels with Somaliland passport with US, European and African visa on the passports, the crowd went uproar with chants and screams. Anyone near the celebration hole would feel the pride and joy that being displayed. waryaa suldaanka do you really believe this bullshit man? especially with the globally tightened security? horta maxay been uu sheegaysaa? was it necessary to say this?

dabcan muqdisho is the undisputed capital of somalia. even if we would have un unbiased research on which city should become capital of somalia (leaving out the security issue of course) than muqdisho would rise above the rest no doubt. BUT! we are not talking about capital and whatnot. we are talking about the seat of the government. security in muqdisho is poor. not for the average person, no. but for a government to settle there, yes! especially if the face on that government is the face of none other than c/yussef. and in carta waxaa lagu heshiiyey that baydhabo should be the transitional seat of the government. c/qassim, the man of muqdisho broke that agreement. have you ever heard of the hague? the hague is the seat of the dutch government and the international war crimes tribunal. yet amsterdam is the capital. in our case the government will only settle temporarily in another somali city till dust settles in the cowboyville of muqdisho. whats wrong with that bro? muqdisho is still the official capital (to be honest; was there another option to begin with since muqdisho was IT and the rest waa rooti during somalias modern history) and the government will go to muqdisho as soon as its possible. ileen waa dantooda inay muqdisho degaan. to have ethiopian troops roaming on our soil is like dogs roaming on our carpet in the salooto. laakiin that issue is over and no ethiopian troops are allowed on our soil thank Allaah. ugandan and sudanese and maybe nigerian are coming. so whats the big deal here too? they are not gonna attack any militias (dont even think they have the guts to do so), but they will protect the government and state till substantial somali forces are ready to take over. isnt that great? last thing we want is this infant government to be obliterated and see our hopes disappear. mise reer muqdisho actually started believing the lies they were spoonfed with by a handful of gangster warlords through hornafrik, dayniile and co.? reer muqdisho waa inay ogaadaan that these men qanyare-yalaxow-caato are their enemies. labada qolo isku dan ma ahan. these gangsters (where im from gangster is actually a compliment ) are the ones who want to keep the status quo. and i assume the ppl of muqdisho are SICK N TIRED of the status quo! ps: haduusan ku dhalin, the shots against colonel yeey are all fair game.

xoogsade, dont get me wrong sxb. c/yussef is an ashole and only a fool would deny it. but thats why he is fit to become president of the unruly somalis. a whopping 189 parlementarians voted for him, so its only dignified for anybody to acknowlegde his legitimacy and give him the chance to prove what hes worth. windtalker was right though, we puntlanders are glad his azz is gone from our face. but we also believe that his place is to pacify southern somalia and not nurture puntland. he pacified puntland and now he can hit the road to muqdisho to the same thing. but what windtalker mistook is that whats bad for puntland is bad for southern somalia. NOT! the two are not the same. and with that i acknowledge that when c/yussef does his job he was elected for, that we must enter a new chapter and that an c/musse from southern somalia should be elected to nurture southern somalia to its full potential. thats my take on this sxb. clear and simple. compromises are important, but its a 2-way street. better yet the muqdisho warlords are the ones expected to sacrifice not c/yussef. plus the somali ppl are not all reer muqdisho who support their socalled muqdisho leaders whom use their ppl to enrich themselves. c/yussef therefore was voted into office to show his gacan bir to these maggots called caato-qanyare-yalaxow etc. it was no secret even before he was elected that he would bring in troops to secure peace in southern somalia, settle temporarily in another city (baydhabo) till muqdisho is suitable enough etc. yet the parliament voted for him knowing his character and plans very well. think about it and dont come with that he bribed the whole parliament. even if he did, why didnt the muqdisho warlords do it to defeat him before he could become "a monster in the making". im sure they have the money. it would be a smart investment considering the hassling and juggling they are in right now. the muqdisho warlords are UR (xoogsade) enemies, not c/yussef. tell me one thing c/yussef did to reer muqdisho other than: what hes going to do! the hard currency flowing into ceel macaan port goes to the pockets of one walord and his posse, while actually the ppl of that region have the right to that money to build schools, hospitals and establish a modest police force oo amaanka suga. thats what bothers me, the blindness. if c/yussef or any other would pocket the money from boossaasso port to build houses and purchase sattelite tv, koow baa laga siin lahaa! boossaasso port taxes went to two things only: 1) the development of puntland state and 2) the campaign in mbagathi for the somali presidential seat. about the peaceloving puntlanders. all credit is due to the puntland president general c/musse. if it was not for him; his forsight, love and mildness. puntland would be in flames right now, while now puntland is achieving more development in c/musses 100plus days than during c/yussefs 6-year rule. which also would have the consequence that no new government would be even born in mbagathi with the absence of puntland in the peace talks. general c/musse is not just a hero to puntland, but to all somalis.

windtalker, Reer Puntland won their war (not militarily) to oust Col Yeey and his dictatorial self out of their peace-loving regions. It is now Reer Somalia's turn to oust him. that was a pretty dumb thing to say. you just gave fuel to the ppl who want this new government of geedi to fail. get one line of thinking man, youre confusing most of us and amusing the rest. But hey, who listens to me? I just talk to the wind ppl want to hear your views that comes from the heart.

fyr kanten, mobb is right. gaboye may be disadvantaged, but they aint ugly. so i bet you could find yourself a suitable wife among them. if a lot of ppl do it, than theyll be accepted back in society within no time. waryaa put your words into action! you wont be the first. a famous singer called axmed cali cigaal who hails from a powerful clan that live in the northeast married a woman from the midgan minority group, an even better singer than him called maryan mursal . the government with its anti-tribal policy in the beginning of its rule insisted to pay for the wedding festivities and made sure that the whole country would know.

rahima, muqdisho was a city that once housed 40% of the entire somali population. from all somali clans in the horn to the presence of thousands of italians, asians etc. muqdisho was a cosmopolitan city, much like nairobi and addis ababa now. since 1991 it was reduced to a clan fiefdom by the usc militias, with the usc itself dividing the city into clan territories. 40%-50% of the residents in muqdisho werent affiliated to the usc. those ppl fled after it became clear that the usc leadership wasnt fighting dowladdi kacaanka for just causes, but for tribal payback. no matter what you say, you cant convince no one that the number of occupied properties is insignificant. better yet, its an understatement to say that it is full with occupied property. muqdisho is the epitome of a city with forcefully occupied properties in the world. im reer muqdisho myself, and not one member of my family, friends or acquaintances that used to live in muqdisho have gotten their property back. not one. so whats this bullshit about reer gedo and soomaali galbeed. miyaadan ogeyn that the reer puntland owned more property in muqdisho than many usc clans, let alone those clans you just summed up. where are they in your picture?

the hell with big mac. mcchicken is the bomb. i once ate 5 mcchickens at once. mcnuggets also has special place in my stomach. feel sorry for that lil kid tho. but i guess the millions will cheer her up.