You're right Athena, you and I are dancing in circles. To our next encounter on a hopefully more interesting topic with a more productive discussion. I like your style of debating.

OK in the career department, but why narrow it down like that? What is the significance of underlying that? As if it would make any difference. Word is, she is not succesful. To emphasize someone's career development drives away focus on things that really matter in life. A lonely workaholic who slept her way to CEO of a company is less successful than a janitor carrying her/his principles and beliefs high and dry.

Originally posted by Athena: Sky , whether you agree or not, the woman has done well for herself in the career department. Please tell me how in relation to the price she has paid for it? Don't forget that all she is, is an MP in the Dutch parliament. Ayaan was at the right place at the right time. There was a vacuüm and any anti-Islamic puppet with a big mouth with a Muslim background was welcome to take up this (selfsuicidal) job. Selfsuicidal of course was written in tiny letters at the back of the contract form.

Thank you, I'll forward this to a friend to bring this website down.

Originally posted by ofleh: She's 35, an academic, a member of a political party that is part of the government. Not many women, let alone Somali refugees, can say they've made those strides by this age. I would be very proud of my daughter if she is that accomplished at that age. Ofleh, do you also admire Lil'Kim for being famous and rich? Listen, she is a populistic opportunist who is also fixated on taking revenge on the Allmighty Allah for personal reasons. She told the public how she got beaten by her Qur'an teacher, how strict her parents were, how her sister died due to the ignorance of her environment, forced marriage and FGM. She's a fool for blaming all of this on Allah, when as in matter of fact these incidents have nothing to do with Islam, at least not specifically. She began her career snitching on the Somali community in the Netherlands to the Dutch government through an advisory board she worked for. She handed over her report on two different aspects of the Somali community's collective misdemeanors, namely; The mass exodus to the United Kingdom and fake divorces which many Somali families did to receive double the amount of welfare. Luckily the Dutch didn't take any action and the Somali community were left alone. Now she took it to a whole other level by insulting more than 1 billion muslims all over the globe, not knowing that she is just a tool fo the 'real' politicians who are not so dumb to put their a.ss on the line like that. Ayaan thinks she's got something going for her, but I'm afraid her future is dark and gloomy. Boy, she must be the loneliest person on earth. PS. Is there some kind of specific influence that made you and your dear friend Togane forget the beauty of Islam? PPS. Og Girl, make your point ama naga fariiso yaakhey! PPPS. Waryaa Liibaanow, I concur she is ugly compared to other Somali ladies. Just look at her bumperforehead for goodness sake.

Originally posted by Mizz-S.Lander: okay; the last three post did not help at all; oh and suprise, suprise, it is the farah's; north; adeer does my inability to set up a poll shows what???? :confused: Dudette: what i would like to say to you, is not suited to public audience; so i let you carry on chatting out of ur hole; :rolleyes: sky; hhm interesting; i see you agree wid ur mate Dudette; :eek: Interesting Indeed. Hmmm.

ONLF has gone mad, burning trucks of innocent Somalis from, to use the euphemism, Somaliland tribe is outrageous. All I see is a Somali rebel group that lost focus and doesn't see that it is making itself guilty of Intra-Somali violence. Nevertheless I can understand the anger and frustration our brothers from Jigjiga and Godey are feeling towards the controversial actions of Somaliland of handing over ONLF men to Addis Ababa, only to be tortured and executed in the dark Ethiopian cells for wanting freedom and justice for their Somali people. What I do think is a positive development is the drastic change of the economic landscape of the Soomaali Galbeed region. Where Berbera used to be the prime import/export outlet for this vast region for centuries, now Bosasso has wholeheartedly taken over that role for even as far as Jigjiga which is a stonethrow away from Hargeisa. Somaliland's political bloopers and the long overdue tribal shirs in Jigjiga, Godey and London surely have put some speed to the new growing links the Soomaali Galbeed and Puntland regions now enjoy. Anyhow, I think ONLF should put its guns down and start talks with Addis Ababa, because their inital goal is virtually impossible, at least for now it is. They should pursue Somalis in Ethiopia get their rightful share as 'Ethiopians'. Koley Life goes one doesn't it?

Lets just say it; The Woman made a fool out of herself with her: ehmm ...... well .......... I think ....... ehmm ....... anyway but in my Somaliland...! Dimbeleby: Hold up! The question was about Zimbabwe! And even then it was for all to see that she didnt have the slightest clue what the poor Zimbwean from the audience asked. Dimbleby had to rephrase the question so she could finally answer it. One thing is for sure, she will not be invited again. qix qix qix!

Originally posted by Dudette: Generally maandhay Men (regardless of age, race, and religion) tend to be more successful than women that is why I find it easier to think of myself as a Man. P.s Don't argue with a man, just laugh at everything he says/writes especially if he seems serious. Gosh! Hmm Interesting.

Roma: Madaxwaynaha gobolka Puntland ee dalka Soomaaliya iyo Madaxwaynaha Gobolka Emilia Romagna ee Talyaaniga oo Xiriir Sameeyay - Sunday, July 10, 2005 at 12:55 Roma (AllPuntland)- Maamul goboleedka Puntland ayaa si rasmi ah u ogolaaday qorshe uu xiriiriye ka ahaa Prof. Maxamed Jaamac Salaad oo ah in iskaashi Caalami ah uu dhex maro gobollo ka mid ah dalka Talyaaniga. Madaxwaynaha Puntland Gen. Cadde Muuse iyo Madaxwaynaha Maamul goboleedka Emeilia Romagna Mr Vasco Erreani ayaa isgaarsiinta uga wada hadlay xiriirka labada dhinac iyo sida loogu baahanyahay in dhinacyada horumarka la is wadydaarsado. Ka bilow Bidix: guddoomiye ku xigeenka gudiga xiriirka Caalmaiga ah ee Jaamcadda Palvia ee gobolka Lombardia Prof.Antonio Savin iyo Guddoomiyaha Jaamacada Puntland State University (PSU) Prof. Maxamed Jaamac Salaad Prof. Maxamed Jaamac oo ah isku xiraha labada Maamul goboleed ayaa shir saacado qaatay la yeeshay Mr Vasco Errani , waxayna isla meel dhigeen baahida Puntland ee gobolka Emilia Romagna uu ka caawin karo Puntland. Maxamed Jaamac oo u waramayay AllPuntland wuxuu sheegay in markii hore ee uu tagay Talyaaniga uu ogaaday in gobollada Talyaaniga aan si fiicanba looga aqoon Puntland. Wuxuu xusay Prof: Salaad in a ka dhaadhicinta gobollada Puntland iyo inay yihiin gobollo 8 ah oo qayb ballaaran ka ah dalka Soomaaliya intiisa kale ay waqti qaadatay. Ka bilow Bidix: Guddoomiyaha Jaamacada Puntland State University (PSU) Prof. Maxamed Jaamac Salaad iyo guddoomiye ku xigeenka xiriirka Caalami ah ee gudiga Jaamacadda Bolonyo Prof: Robert Grandi Waxyaabaha Prof: Salaad iyo Mr Vasco Erreni ay isla soo qaadeen waxaa kamid ah in xiriirka labada maamul goboleed la joogteeyo , in dhinacyada aasaaasiga ah la horumariyo sida waxbarashada , caafimaadka iyo nolosha guud. Guddoomiyaha Jaamacada Puntland State University (PSU) Prof. Maxamed Jaamac Salaad ayaa sidoo kale kulamo la qaatay guddoomiye ku xigeenka xiriirka Caalami ah ee gudiga Jaamacadda Bolonyo Prof: Robert Grandi iyo guddoomiye ku xigeenka gudiga xiriirka Caalmaiga ah ee Jaamcadda Palvia ee gobolka Lombardia Prof.Antonio Savini. Sidoo kale Prof. Salaad wuxuu sheegay inuu kula kulmay xafiiskiisa madaxweynaha maamul goboleedka EmiliaRomagna Mudane: Vasco Errani oo ay isku afgarteen in madaxda Puntland ay diyaar u noqdaan xiriir wanaagsan. CCC Farayaamo AllPuntland Powered by AllPuntland.com Copyright ©AllPuntland.com http://www.allpuntland.com/news/news_item.asp?NewsID=4586

Roma: Dawlad Goboleedka Puntland iyo Dawlad Goboleedka Emalia Romania ee Talyaaniga Oo La mataaneeyay iyo Jaamacadda Puntland State University oo Aqoonsi Buuxda Loo Helay. - Monday, July 04, 2005 at 15:50 Roma(AllPuntland)-Guddoomiyaha dhaqaatiirta Puntland ahna madaxa jaamacadda Puntland State University Prof: Maxamed Jaamac Salaad oo haatan kusugan magaalada Bolonyo ee dalka Talyaaniga ayaa maanta shaaca ka qaaday in dawlad goboleedka Puntland iyo dawlad goboleedka Emelia Romania si rasmi ah loo mataaneeyay oo waxqabadka horumarineed ay wadaagi doonaan. Maxamed Jaamac Salaad wuxuu sheegay inuu safar dheer u galay hawlaha jaamacadda PSU iyo hawlaha horumarineed ee dawlad goboleedka Puntland , wuxuu sheegay inuu tagay dalkaasi Talyaaniga isla markaana uu kulamo lasoo yeeshay madax ka socotay dawlad goboleedyo ay kamid yihiin Emilia Romania , Lampardia , Ziresa iyo gobollo kaleeto. Wuxuu xusay Prof: Maxamed Jaamac Salaad inuu lakulmay madaxa Jaamacadda Bolonyo, waxayna isku soo qaadeen sida uu sheegay in la mataaneeyo gobolka Emelia Romania iyo Puntland. Wasiirka iskaashiga caalamiga ah ee gobolka Emelia Romania ayuu sheegay inay isla qaateen in si wada jir ah hawsha loo wado lana wanaajiyo xiriirka labada dawlad goboleed, mar wax laga waydiiyay mud, Salaad waxa Puntland ka ogtahay arintaasi ayuu sheegay in madaxwaynaha Puntland Cadde Muuse ay kawada hadleen iskuna afgarteen arintaasi inay noqoto mid lasii amboqaado. Caasimadda gobolka Emelia Romania ee Bolonyo ayuu sheegay Prof Maxamed Jaamac inay caawinaado badan u sameeyeen dadka Ereteria ayna ugu deeqeen lacag gaaraysa 80 malyan oo Yuuro. Jaamacadda Puntland University mar uu ka hadlayay Maxamed Jaamac Salaad ayuu sheegay in Jaamacadda Bolonyo ay ballan qaadday inay waxbarasho deeq ah u dirto macallimiinta jaamacadda wax ka dhiga , isla markaana ay ogolaadeen inay waxbarasho deeq ah siiyaan ardayda jaamacadda marka ay dhammeeyaan waxbarashadooda. Prof Maxamed Jaamac wuxuu sheegay in gobollada ay maamulaan xisbiga bidixda inay diyaar u yihiin caawinta dadka reer Puntland gaar ahaan dhinaca waxbarashada. Wuxuu sheegay in safarkiisa uu soo gabo gabayn doono bishan dhammaadkeeda isla markaana kulamo uu lasoo yeelan doono madaxda gobolka Lazio ee xarunta Roma oo ah gobolka ugu dhaqaalaha badan Talyaaniga uuna usoo bandhigo qorshayasha uu maaggan yahay. CCC Farayaamo AllPuntland Powered by AllPuntland.com Copyright ©AllPuntland.com http://www.allpuntland.com/news/news_item.asp?NewsID=4556

It was funny how that Indian fella Iqbal Jhazbay married to a Somalilander woman said: "The attacks on London today are an attack to humanity, wether it be from the UK to 'Somaliland'." Very funny.

The oversell catches up with Edna Edna Adan is Somaliland’s best hope of recognition. As the most visible, active and capable member of the Riyale government, she combines that rare undefinable mixture of charisma, personal presence and grasp of her brief that makes extraordinary diplomats stand out from the merely capable. In Somalia context Omar Arteh certainly had it while the hapless Abdirhaman Buluqbuluq didn’t. This sheer lack of charisma and character partially led to Ethiopia so strategically outmaneuvering Somalia during the Libreville OAU meeting set up to prepare for the summit to follow. Somalia was completely isolated because he could not present his case effectively while his Ethiopian counter-part taunted him “Somalis seem to believe that everywhere a Somali cow grazes should be part and parcel of Somalia. If one takes into account that there are 20 million cows in Somalia then surely the whole of Africa will be claimed as part of Somalia soonâ€. The assembled African Foreign Ministers guffawed and the argument was lost forever. But I digress. Edna already made a name for herself and is fast becoming synonymous with Somaliland. More accurately Somaliland is becoming synonymous with Edna in a way few leaders ever manage. Tito with Yugoslavia, or Nasser with Egypt or Makarios with Cyprus come to mind. And that is not the end of her abilities. What other foreign minister can claim to have single-handedly built a hospital and still treats patients and teaches there while overseeing the nation’s bid for recognition at the same time. In short this is an iron lady of epic strengths and Somaliland is extremely lucky to have this majestic fighting Amazon of a woman. But all great people often get their policy details wrong and find themselves in hot water. Mandela recently said to South African women “if we beat you it means we love you†– I wonder how those ferociously liberal Scandinavian females who fought so hard for his release from Robin Island might react to that? They will probably forgive him, it is the charm thing. Edna is not helped by not having the backing of expert advisers or political strategists of any calibre in her department or indeed in the government at large. There are no short-term or long-term policies set in place for her to follow beyond the remit to get us recognition. Somalilanders are not big on addressing the `hows’. This leads to Edna often appearing to make policy on the hoof which is the most difficult form of policy-making known to man or beast because it is inherently risky and your interlocutors immediately suss you out even if you were someone as capable as Edna. I fear these combination of factors are impacting on Edna’s otherwise sterling work and this should be a cause of concern for all of us. Edna has made a habit of making forceful speeches about the wonders of Somaliland and how we are a debt-free, non-corrupt, self-sufficient Shangri-La in Africa. This worked for a little while with few Western journalists looking for exactly such fanciful stories from the continent but the shelf-life of such myths was always going to be short. Sooner or later someone was going to call Edna’s bluff and bring her down to earth. This is exactly what happened last night on the Question-Time programme from Johannesburg when Her Excellency repeated the same dross for the umpteenth time. While answering a question about aid and Africa she made the incredibly cheeky claim that Somaliland survives on “30 million dollars a year all of which comes from our own resources….â€. She capped this nonsense by saying “we receive no aid nor have any debtsâ€. Unfortunately for Edna the wily and well connected Dimbleby has done his home work well and found out the truth about Edna’s Shangri la. Not only does Somaliland receive aid it is in fact almost completely dependent on aid for its entire budget. He discovered that the $30 million Edna mentioned are mostly bungs from friendly western countries. He decided it was time to burst Edna’s Alice in Wonderland bubble. “But you ask for aid it is just you don’t get it†he probed Edna who was uncharacteristically dumbfounded for a very long second. She soon recovered and retorted “we ask for recognitionâ€. The boy from Britains’ broadcasting aristocracy wasn’t going to be taken for a ride by this African matriarch. He decided to drive his advantage home perhaps a little riled by a stunning verbal slap he received earlier from Moeletsi Mbeki whom he tried to patronise about his brother the South African president. “South Africa is not a family business†said the younger Mbeki to guffaws of laughter from the audience. TV show hosts’ highly developed egos are extremely delicate and they do not enjoy to be laughed at. “But you do ask for aid as wellâ€? He repeated before Edna realised she had had her waterloo. To her credit she rallied forcefully saying that we are entitled to ask for development aid. What is more telling was the reaction of the South Africa audience. She simply did not win them over to her side or her cause. South Africans, like Africans elsewhere, know as much about Somaliland as they do about dark side of the moon. What they wanted to hear was generally dependent on their race: The Whites would have been very happy if Edna recommended Mugabe for lynching, sang the praises of benevolent white farmers who so selflessly feed the hungry natives, lashed out at aid givers and blamed everything bad about bad Africa on Black incompetence, rampant promiscuity, superstition and genetically inherited corruption. Morgan Tsvagirai, the Zim opposition leader knew this and by and large followed this line throughout the programme. The Black audience on the other hand did not warm to Mr. Tsvangirai. They wanted to blame all kinds of africa’s miseries from terrorism to Aids to Mugabe’s behaviour on big bad whitey. It was all the fault of the dastardly colonials and surely it is their moral, legal and ethical responsibility to sort it out. Edna was caught in a dilemma she clearly did not predict and did not prepare for. And having no political campus of any sort to guide her responses, she flapped about and pleased neither side. In her first response she managed to fundamentally contradict herself about the causes of terrorism. She boldly and correctly asserted that poverty is no excuse for murder yet suffixed her response with the opposite. None of this takes away from her monumental achievements. To be chosen from 53 fully recognised African foreign ministers is a testament to her dazzling abilities. But she needs to be less extravagant with her claims next time. Establishing political benchmark principles on where Somaliland stands on regional, Africa-wide and international affairs will give Edna solid grounds to base her views on. Taking a leaf from Israel’s diplomatic book might be more successful than her current `We are just fine’ mantra(if you are doing that well without recognition perhaps you do not need recognition some might wonder). Israel had for generations a long-term policy line of portraying herself as a weak David under immediate risk of existential annihilation by the Arab Goliath. The policy was so successful that even the Arabs fell for it thinking they can lob the whole weak Jewish edifice into the sea. Edna does not need to go that far. All she needs to say is “look we are small, civil-war devastated little country managing to survive on minimum income some of which is kindly donated by our friends to whom we are gratefulâ€. The lack of recognition is hobbling us because our business people cannot access capital or get into mergers or deals with foreign companies. We pay more for goods and services insurance although we are one of the safest places on earth because we are lumped with our unfortunately chaotic Somalia brothers. In other words she needs to outline how lack of recognition is adversely affecting our chances of survival and progress. This will be more truthful than the current policy line if there is one, and in my view it will be far more effective. And only Edna has the skills, abilities and the character to say it convincingly well. Guled ismail halyey@btopenworld.com

Very good read, but I ran up to too many baseless facts. Some even downright BS! And the issue about the missed opportunities are oversimplified. Mr. Ismaaciil seems to forget that the Ethiopians, whom are xaasid by nature, would have done anything, absolutely anything to undermine the young Somali state even if the opportunties we missed have been seized. I also resent the fact that he sheds a positive light on the filthy Ethiopians, as if they ever had the slightest sympathy and compassion for Somalis ever. The fact that the late Ethiopian emperor Haille Sellasie rather controlled the vast, but landlocked reserve area over the more accessible Awdal region (Seylac) shows you that Ethiopians are hellbent on controlling Somalis not on the basis of gaining something materially, but to gain something mentally. To be in a position where it can boast that they are superior to the Muslim pastoralist nomads of the lowlands in contrast to them; the Christian petty farmers from the highlands. The Ethiopians are our enemies and we should never forget that. They are weaker than us, but even more cunning than we are. Which is why they managed to be salvaged by their Christian brethren the Portuguese, Americans, Russians etc. whenever we stormed to the Xabasha highlands seeking for justice. Our people must understand that the Somali ethnic group is by far the most powerful ethnic group in East Africa, whilst united and focused on the common interests of all Somali brethren. I'm an optimist and I'm sure rays of sunlight will find their way through the dark clouds gathering above Somalia. The only thing I agree with and commend him highly for is that the lack of knowledge and political prowess of our leaders were fatal to our nation. Its admirable how he bravely questions the service done by the SYL gentlemen. Hadalka yaanan kugu dheeraanin, you can read what Mr. Ismaaciil wrote about their blunders yourself. I too, have always believed that Somalia wouldn't have been in this miserable position if the British administered all the Somali parts through a UN mandate. For the SYL gentlemen to have resisted that in fear of the Brit's superpower status shows you the sad level of intellect even our brightest men of that era had. Caamir and Samurai, Mr. Ismaaciil surely has presented a lot of unknown and interesting facts about our modern Somali history, but that's pretty much about it.

Originally posted by Xoogsade: So bro SKY , what do you say? I cannot say anything, because I didnt quite follow what Caydiid sr has to do with this doqonka doqonkiis known as Beerdilaacshe. Tolow, yuu beerka ka dilaaci lahaa? If you know what I mean.

Caydiid Geedi Shadoor Jees (not the Jees for the blackboard, but the Somali version of the name Jesse, father of Nebi Daa'uud and grandfather of Nebi Saleebaan.) Xabeeb Bootaan Seeraar Caarshe These names are highly valued Somali names not nicknames, its a shame they are associated with brainless warlords. PS: I think Moorgan means scavenger and Siilaanyo means Lizard.

Jumatatu , the minister of defense is still in Bosasso. Its reported that he left his job and is now in the process of becoming a Somali citizen. The Yemeni government wants him dead or alive, but no worries the powerful Puntland defense forces will invade Yemen if one of their new yet-to-be citizen's human rights is violated. PS: Hes still recovering from the party at Koowda Luulyo. Apparently it was the first time he tried Khat.

Somalia president prepares troops to protect govt Thu Jul 7, 2005 5:25 PM GMT NAIROBI (Reuters) - Somalia's president is gathering troops from around the country to protect his government as he moves into its temporary base in Jowhar against angry protests from within his cabinet, a minister said on Thursday. Underscoring tensions in the lawless Horn of Africa nation over where the government should make its initial home, President Abdullahi Yusf's plans have increased the threat of violence, analysts said. Warlords in Mogadishu have threatened to attack Jowhar, 90 km (55 miles) to the north, if Yusuf takes troops there. A senior Somali minister said the troops were not for the purpose of starting a fight, but to protect the administration until regional peacekeepers arrive. "It's true (the president) has started accumulating troops. Around 10,000 troops will be trained to be Somali police and will be deployed in all regions of the country," said Mohamed Mahamud Guled, Somali's rural development minister and Yusuf confidant. "If the government is attacked it will defend itself." Yusuf returned to Somalia on July 1 for the first time since his government left neighbouring Kenya in June, where it had remained since its formation at peace talks last year. The president has been trying to heal a rift over where the administration should make its initial home and held talks with Somalia's parliamentary speaker in Yemen last month, which produced no agreement. U.N. ARMS EMBARGO A faction of ministers and MPs aligned with Yusuf and Prime Minister Mohamed Ali Gedi have made their temporary home in relatively secure Jowhar. Others including powerful warlords in his cabinet insist Mogadishu must be the capital under an interim constitution and are now there. Yusuf and his allies say anarchic Mogadishu, controlled by various clan-based militia, cannot be the government's home until it is pacified. He first landed in the northern port of Bosasso in Puntland state, his powerbase, but has since moved to the state capital Garowe. Yusuf told the BBC on Wednesday that he planned to move south to Johwar, collecting militiamen on the way. Yusuf's interim administration is the 14th attempt to re-establish government in the lawless country since 1991, when a coalition of warlords overthrew dictator Mohamed Siad Barre and Somalia descended into anarchy. The differences have raised tension there and international donors including the United States said this week they were concerned about reports of militia movements and an increase in influx of weapons into Somalia. They urged Somali leaders to respect a 1992 United Nations arms embargo in force over the Horn of Africa country. "We call on all leaders in Somalia to exercise maximum restraint and take effective steps to reduce tension," said the donors after a meeting led by U.N. Secretary General special envoy, Francois Fall. "Any resort to military force either in offence or pre-emptive defense will be unacceptable to the international community." © Reuters 2005. All Rights Reserved.

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Zephyrine is the neighbourhood Paddington in that area. If so, I need to call my relatives there to see if they're Ok.

Originally posted by Rahima: ^Interesting observation. Whilst this is an incident to be frowned upon, i'm more concerned about the consequences and what it will mean for the Muslims of Britain. Hope not, he would be seriously contradicting himself if that will be the case, which I thoroughly dismiss. Whatever they do, it is our determination that they will never succeed in destroying what we hold dear in this country and in other civilised nations throughout the world

Weaklings! Some of you! Where is the backbone yall pretend to have? I bet yall walking on wheelchairs, thats how tragic yall seem to be. I do not tolerate quitters. This government is not dead. Its in coma Lol! Now, stop complaining about who gets C/Ys mercedes limousine in Nairobi and who gets Geedis armani suits. But pray for them to get the energy to stand up, get out there and work it! Sorry for the weird post, but I needed to lower myself to get my points across.

Originally posted by Jazmine: yeah i agree; it is the asian area (algate) the arabs (edgeware) and the foreigners in other central aresa; seems strange; i don't know what to make off it; Im telling you the White Neo Nazis are behind it! Anybody seen Irish skinheads with big black bootstraps walking around ... supposedly just chillin?

Glad yall are OK here, cuz we all know us black people always die first. Hollywood movies or real life we are always victims. Anyway, do you guys think this will have an effect on the momentum on the Make History Poverty campaign? Think not, but who knows. Notherner, thank you for advertising my website.

Guhaad as I said earlier, yes I do consider myself a Somali nationalist. In my opinion Somali nationalists would put the Somali people first and than the Somali state. Many do it the other way around and are willing to damage the Somali people for a Somali state. But true Somali nationalists are willing to salvage both, but the people are priority number one. Now I would like to challenge you, because you sure are a demanding nomad in SOL. Would you prefer a thriving, democratic and peaceful Somalia...as an Ethiopian regional state? Or a miserable, anarchic and chaotic Somalia in a neverending vicious cycle and unbreakable downward spiral (as it is now)...but free and independant? Because the people that prefer either one of both are strangely equally considered Somali nationalists. So there's not á Somali nationalist perhaps.