From Warlordom to Islamism in Somalia The question is not about religion. It was never about religion. The question is about power. Who will rule? Who will be ruled? Will it be the ballot? Will it be the bullet and the barrel of the gun?†Abdishakur Sh. Ali Jowhar(1) When the Islamists took over Mogadishu in June, this year, Somalia watchers felt finally relieved that the warlords known for procrastinating anarchy and statelessness were gone and were replaced by, perhaps, better Somalis of the right motto and mantle for the times. It was further assumed that they had the sense of urgency to quickly help restore government in Somalia—a better degree of agility for restoring the State. Hence, that they would embark on efforts to do so by either ushering in the Transitional Federal Government of Somalia or that, at least, they would reasonably negotiate with it for sharing the power. Alas! To the failed expectation of many in Somalia and the international community alike, they do not seem to see the urgency. The new Islam-lords of Mogadishu are ambling out! And, one wonders: Do they think they have ample time? Thus, like their predecessors, the warlords, they seem oblivious to the misery of the Somali people! Instead, they are predestined to cause havoc, more violence, destitution and dislocation. They are oblivious to the fact that tens of thousands are being dislodged and are crossing the borders everyday; and as we read this paper. They are oblivious to the fact that the people are dying in their attempts to cross the seas in their flight from war, oppression, malnutrition, disease and inequities imposed on them by the statelessness prevailing in their land; and that this continues happening as it did under the watch of the warlords. They are oblivious to the fact that the Somalia whose capital they inherited from the warlords purely waited for an opportunity like the one they (the Islamists) have stumbled upon, to quickly restore its government. They seem to be equally unconcerned about these problems—like the warlords, before them. They seem to be not aware that they are making it another opportunity forgone for Somalia in their pursuit of power and complete dominion over all other forms of authority in the land—political and social and even other sects of Islam. If only Somalia’s political misfortune could be resolved by wearing a turban and punishing people for not going to the mosque, or for watching a movie! Rather than working fast on efforts to allow the quick re-installation of an all-inclusive transitional government, they seem too be ambling out the pressure to hurry. Certainly, the clerics, initially, led most of us to understand that they were somehow willing to relinquish power after they had ousted the notorious warlords and then return Mogadishu to the people of Somalia who need it badly to restore their government after two decades of statelessness. Instead they claim that they are better off because they rendered Mogadishu into a peaceful place; therefore they wish to keep it as is! They do not realize that, while it may be true that they removed the warlords, they may have replaced them with another form of tyranny. They do not seem to understand that they have encroached on the civil and political rights of those people. The question is: why are they doing this? One theory is that they never had the intention to share power, let alone give it away to the TFG, or shared it with any other secular group, anyway. Another theory is that they may have received bad advice from some quarters who gave them the mental support to just take it easy. So, they have embarked on efforts, not only to consolidate their power in the areas they control, but that they are scrambling for capturing new territories to augment their legitimacy for national power or, at least, for enhancing their negotiating or countervailing power against the TFG. The capture of Kismayo has been one such tactic. They have been playing a delay tactic so that they could comfortably come to the table when they pleased—that is when they have wielded enough power in terms of how much territory they control. They seem to be unmindful of the fact that the issues are more about reconciliation, peace, constitutionality and the restoration of democratic government through dialogue and peaceful methods. One question that looms high even if they are allowed to get away with their simplistic view that ‘might is right’ remains, would they be willing to share power within the framework of the existing Transitional Federal Charter, which is secular in its essence? Or, would they still demand that the constitution be reviewed or changed to adopt a constitution which has a purely Islamic Shari’a orientation? How viable is such an endeavor given the recent political history of Somalia, the Islamists phobia of the international community, the donor fatigue and the costs involved in undertaking a new extensive conference, such as those Somalia had in Arta, Djibouti, and Embagathi, Kenya? And, after all those questions, one might be curious to ask, how much compromise are the clerics ready for, to make it to the surroundings of Villa Somalia? Or, rather, at what cost? Meanwhile, the encroachment on civil, political and human rights have been mounting in those places under the control of the Council of Islamic Courts and in ways that are only reminiscent of the Taliban rule in Afghanistan. These violations are conducted by the very courts that are supposed to have brought about peace in Mogadishu and in the name of Islam—which is hailed, and rightly so, as a very peaceful spiritual body of teachings. Everything from flogging people in the street, the inhumane public executions, and the prohibition to watch movies and listen to radios to the prohibition of women to practice their God given frights of women to do business in appropriate ways and to move freely is but a violation of the basic freedoms of the individual. Imagine a situation where a citizen was disallowed to run a photo shop; therefore, given to destitution, on the grounds it was Haram.—disallowed by the Shari’a. And that is only the tip of the iceberg. Given this situation, one wonders: where are the educated Somalis to decry this engrossing public oppression and maltreatment? Are they waiting for this abuse of sorts to spread in the whole country? Are they that ignorant of the affairs of their own religion and their country to shy away from criticizing these hooligans turned clerics? Or, are they so much blinded by the euphoria associated with the ouster of the warlords that they are acquiescing with the new Islam-lords? Do not we see that there is nothing Islamic about the so-called Islamists campaign except the name? Well, many of us do not, it seems! Indeed, it is because of the failure of the so-called educated community that we have had the warlords and we are witnessing the onslaught of Islamlordom which is another form of warlordom. These dummies have a wide open vacuum to fill only to abuse all as they wish. Yet, many of the highly educated Somalis have been encouraging these clerics to stay the course and were honoring them by paying visits, some by traveling thousands of miles from Europe and North America--some, perhaps, even, seeking to strike deals with them. Some of those have openly supported them by writing about them or making public speeches, or providing positive advice about them at the corridors of the international community. In a public meeting in the UAE, a member of the audience asked Sheikh Sharif Ahmed, the Chairman of the Executive Council of the CIC, a question, to the effect of: why cannot the CIC work with the Federal Transitional Institutions? Sharif Ahmed replied that Professor So-and-so told us that the TFG is not based on appropriate legal grounds. The question is: what does that say about the Islamists themselves—the Islamic Courts? Still, individuals such as Dr. Abdurashid Sh. Ali Jowhar have had the courage to highlight the negatives of the Islamists as per the quotation, above. Ali Osman Samatar(2) has been another compatriot who has remained critical of them (the Islamists) from the get-go. In an article of his entitled: “Between Warlords and the Clan Islamic Courts—A choice between Pest and Choleraâ€, dated June 18, 2006, writes as follows: “The Mullah clique in Somalia applies two effective strategies in order to achieve their bloody profit oriented targets. In the first instance, they organize brutal militia on the bases of their clans. Secondly, they propagate religious propaganda so that the poor people are narcotized and they don’t feel the pain when Mr. Indhacade for example wants to rube the properties of the weak people.†By the same token, Bashir Goth(3), a Somali journalist, on February 05, 2005, wrote the following: “It is also tragic that both the Afghan and Somali Talibans had to hijack Islam and drag it in the mud in the face of the unforgivable silence and indifference of the majority of the mainstream Muslims. It may help here to refresh the minds of the non-Muslim world and confused Muslims as well that such desecration of the cemeteries and destruction of historical relics amount also to desecration and an act of aggression against Islam as well.†On the international front the Islamists onslaught has divided the actors in the region drawing a deep division between governments as to where each country stands in relation to the parties in conflict. The US effort has up to the recent past focused on keeping an open line with the Islamists perhaps in the hope that it would obtain the custody of several individuals suspected of terrorism and who are allegedly hiding in Somalia. But that kind of policy seems to be changing and the US seems to be realigning itself into a role a little more poised against the Islamists position. According to a Reuter’s report, the U.S. Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs Jendayi Frazer is reported to have said, on Thursday, October 19, 2006: "I think Eritrea is quite clearly attacking Ethiopia on another front. We have pretty clear evidence that's a fact and (they are) shipping arms into Somalia," In the same day, the Washington Post(4) carried an editorial illustrating the glaring danger of the Islamists to the US interests in the region and recommends to the US government that: “It ought to appoint a special envoy to the region who could begin to work with the Ethiopian, Eritrean and regional Somali governments, and try to restrain them from touching off a regional war. The administration should seek contact with moderate elements in the Islamic courts (there are some) and encourage the ongoing mediation efforts of the Arab League. It should exercise greater control over the Somali coastline. It should consider giving diplomatic recognition to the breakaway northern region of Somaliland, which has a benign government. If the terrorist threat in Somalia cannot be eliminated by direct action, it must at least be contained.†Whilst all might be well with the recommendation, above, in general, as per the need for concerted effort to curb the spread of the Salafist power throughout Somalia, “the recognition to the break away northern region of [“Somalilandâ€]â€, as recommended by the editorial, may have dangerous consequences. This might ignite the underlying tension between the clan denominations in the region; or even galvanize the anti-Somaliland population segment in the area to support the Islamists against a US-backed “Somalilandâ€. Hence, a situation not unlike the earlier debacle of the US-backed warlords of Mogadishu could easily develop. The US government should therefore study the issues very seriously to avoid another fiasco. In the meantime, both the TFG and the UIC should be encouraged to attend the Khartoum talks, scheduled for October 30, 2006. 1 Abdishakur Sh. Ali Jowhar , “A Revolutionary Momentumâ€, http://www.hiiraan.com/op2/2006/oct/a_revolutionary_momentum.aspx 2 Between Warlords and the Clan Islamic Courts - a choice between Pest and Cholera, http://www.wardheernews.com/Articles_06/june_06/18_IUC.&.Warlords_A.O.Samatar.html 3 Bashir Goth, “It is Time to Rescue Islam from the Talibani Courts in Mogadishu, http://www.wardheernews.com/articles/Feb/Isalmiccourts_Goth.htm 4 Somalia Simmers http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/17/AR2006101701473.html Abdalla Hirad Mhirad@aol.com Source: Wardheernews

Qudhac, ever since I attended an organized meeting in San Diego in which our beloved harvard graduate and former prime minister Ali Khalif of Somalia gave details of why he vehemently support the UIC, many people of his political side have changed sides turning against the TFG. This man went to Mogadisho, met the UIC idealogues, and discussed with them ways to oppose the TFG and advance their political dreams. it seems, therefore, Khalif has a political ambition in the likelihood of Islamic Courts prevailing in this mayhem. However, I supported him for one thing: work with the TFG till its mandate is over, 2.5 years from now. I don't know why Somalis look things from a narrow perspective and not the bigger picture. I do not personally care whose clan wins as far as ruling Somalia is concerned, for that is something we all appear to dislike or like supposed rivals. This whole confusion of our politics need to be deliberated carefully. The article below, published on Hiiraan.com, reflects why the ICU is a power hungary organization. Though it is an opinion, the author's defence on the ICU sends an implicit signal with which we can see things more clearly. --------------------------- Somaliland and ICU war inevitable or wishful thinking of reactionaries? An inevitable war between the ICU and Somaliland is a fantastic tale dramatically weaved together by analysts who seem to be good fictional writers than informed sources. The theory that the ICU is encircled by enemies massing in the north, south and west are, at best, ill-informed and ,at worst, a deliberate scheme to incite apprehension and distrust.. It is unlikely any outside force will be able to militarily challenge the preeminence of the religious forces in the south for the short term. Demography, rather than geography is the critical element in the outcome of events in the south and whether ICU continuous to succeed or not. The south has never been more united under one leadership. The former followers of Aideed and Ali Mahdi are now under one umbrella. The overwhelming majority of the Southern populace seem to be on their side as evidenced by the sequential bloodless capturing of one town after another. The ICU can only die if it commits suicide by alienating its supporters and the Somaliland public. If all the foreign forces are assembled to dislodge it from the south, it could not be done. The phantom forces of Puntland and their Ethiopian masters could not even secure for Abdillahi Yusuf the Baidabo airport. Somaliland can present a formidable adversary to the ICU if the two are tricked into fighting one another. The second biggest city in the former Somalia has at least a million inhabitants. The large cache of arms left behind by the North-east garrison of the former regime is available and displayed in every anniversary. Said Barre’s hordes of merceneries, armed to the teeth, and supplies with all the state resources have failed to subjugate Somlilanders. The Ethiopian factor is exaggerated. The threat from Ethiopia would be significant if a substantial portion of the Somali society decides to do Ethiopia’s bidding – an unlikely scenario unless the ICU overreaches and interprets their success as mandate to attack Somaliland. Meles lives in glass house and cannot afford to throw stones. The shabbily treated Amharas, Eritreans and Oromos are itching to bounce on him if he foolishly embarks in an adventure in to Somalia. The whole rotten structure he put together through bribery and shared spoils will collapse under his feet if he does that. Ethiopia can defeat a government with a system and an identifiable army. ICU’s army is the public and armies cannot defeat a public. If Ethiopian forces, for example, reached Mogadishu, they will have to fight a well-equipped insurgency of a million people street by street. They will be ambushed from every window of a ruined city. The casualties for the Ethiopian army will be catastrophic. The supply and reinforcements to their army will be harassed and ambushed by partisans enroute the long road to Mogadishu. Even if the city falls, the war will continue in the countryside. This is how the Russians people defeated Napoleon’s grand arm’e in 1812. Mele’s army consisting of drafted farmers will mutiny and will not be a match for a highly motivated Somalis fighting in their land and defending their country. The ICU has won the battle of Southern Somalia with little resistance. The defeated adversaries were the TFG and the Mogadishu warlords. These were easy opponents because the TFG was a corrupt shell of a government with no real constituents. It existed only in the imaginations of some shortsighted IGAD ministers, minds of the Ethiopian intelligence services, and in press releases. They never had any real constituents on the ground. It members were politicians who were rejected by their constituents. This explains their lack of effectiveness despite all the money collected from over seas. The ICU defeated them by simply ignoring them. The Mogadishu warlords were also a weak adversary. These were mafia bosses who owed their power to intimidation of unarmed public. It only required a police work on the part of the ICU to arrest or chase the bosses. Having lost their supporters in Mogadishu to the ICU, the bosses cannot by themselves present a threat from a distance. ICU succeeded because they filled a void – a lack of security and too much corruption. The biggest issue facing the ICU is the issue of governance. If they intend to live out the true meaning of their creed that governance is through the Shura process with a deliberative body of representatives, and if they spell out an iron clad mechanics of how they that can lead to a decentralized system of government with separation of powers, they can consolidate their power in Southern Somalia and build a bright future. If the ICU leadership insists on a narrow and metaphysical definition of the shura principle, they will lose the public support. Warmongers and masters of misrepresentation are beating the drums of an inevitable war between Somaliland and the ICU. This is neither inevitable nor imminent. It will only occur if the ICU alienates the people of Somaliland. The principles advocated by the public in Somaliland are not incompatible with the Shura principle of separation of powers and deliberative body. The Shura principle is intended to prevent rash judgments and a centralized power. The public of Somaliland goes along with the current political organization because it prevents tyranny. The overriding and most important sentiment of Somlilanders is abhorrence of tyranny. The ICU has defeated the forces of darkness and desolation. If the ICU is equally committed to good government, as Somaliland is, they have nothing to fear from Somaliland. The people of Somaliland have rejected monetary inducement from the Arab states, they have withstood pressure and intimidation of many subversives, they have withstood economic sanctions of their only export product (sheep) by the Saudis, all of these because they value their liberty more than any other worldly benefit. Let us not allow propagandist create a wedge between Somaliland and the ICU. Abdulkadir J. Dualeh E-mail: Abdulkadirdualeh2@yahoo.com

MMa $ Admn, Wasiirka u hadley dowladda wuxuu yiri inay dadka deegaanka ah ay codsadeen amaan sugid ay ka helaan dowladda , waana sida ay wararka kuwa gudaha iyo dibadaba ay qorahayaan. Wiilasha meesha laga qaadeyna waa kuwo markoodii hore dhibaato ku hayey magaalada, maamul iyo kala danbeyna ma leheen. Marka maxaa dhibaato ah haddii ay Dowladda timaado.

THE SUSTAINABILITY AND FUTURE OF UNRECOGNIZED QUASI-STATES The study of quasi-states has been marred by an unfortunate terminological confusion. Sometimes, this term is taken to mean recognized states that fail to develop the necessary state structures to function as fully fledged, ‘real’ states. At other times, ‘quasi-states’ is a designation given to regions that secede from another state, gain de facto control over the territory they lay claim to, but fail to achieve international recognition. The author proposes that, in order to clear up this confusion, recognized but ineffectual states ought to be referred as ‘failed states’, while the term ‘quasi-states’ ought to be reserved for unrecognized, de facto states. Since quasi-states are not supported by international recognition, they must be sustained by something else. In contrast to researchers who maintain that the majority of these quasi-states are quite strong, this article argues that their modal tendency is weak economy and weak state structures. The main reasons why these states nevertheless have not collapsed seem to be that they have managed to build up internal support from the local population through propaganda and identity-building; channel a disproportionately large part of their meager resources into military defense; enjoy the support of a strong patron; and, in most cases, have seceded from a state that is itself very weak More Dhahar Online

“I saw many government troops with heavy weapons entering the town. They settled in the main strategic points in the town,†Hussein Ibrahim Ali, a resident, told The Associated Press by telephone You can read from that statement. The troops that entered Bur Hakaba were exlusively the government troops. The witness would have stated otherwise. However the government is depicted as a pliant cliant after its masters' bidding, the fact is we have government troops comprised of well-nigh Somalis that are powerful enough to withstand insurgent forces such as the Islamic Courts. Who is this journalist Mohamed Olad Hassan. He seems to be contradicting himself. ----------------------------------- ASSOCIATED PRESS 12:40 p.m. October 21, 2006 MOGADISHU, Somalia – Somali government forces backed by Ethiopian soldiers have retaken a main town between the capital and the government's base from Islamic fighters, residents said Saturday. The soldiers and Ethiopian troops in about 30 pickup trucks mounted with machine guns fought Islamic militiamen for about 20 minutes before regaining control of Bur Haqaba, which has been held by the government's Islamic rivals for three months, the residents said “I saw many government troops with heavy weapons entering the town. They settled in the main strategic points in the town,†Hussein Ibrahim Ali, a resident, told The Associated Press by telephone. It was not clear whether the Ethiopian soldiers actively took part in the battle. If they did, it would be the first time they have fought Islamic militiamen in Somalia following reports that Ethiopian soldiers entered the country in July. -------------------------------- Heed attention to the quality of his news. He is mercilessly contradicting his news report. I don't know why News Agencies baught it without at recognizing the cracks of the report.

^^Can you provide the link?

^^So your uncle is a minister. Is that why you are so passionate about SL dreams? BTw, you reposting the same long road over and over in different dimensions, of course.

State Department Iftar Honors Women Throughout Muslim History Under secretaries Hughes, Burns praise religious diversity, interfaith dialogue Washington – U.S. Under Secretary of State Karen Hughes honored the contributions of women to Islamic history during the State Department’s annual iftar October 18. The event corresponded with Lailat-ul-Qadr, the holiest night of Ramadan, marking the first revelation of the Quran to the Prophet Muhammad. “Tonight we remember and honor the many women throughout Islamic history who have led by example,†Hughes told the guests, who included Muslim women from academia, government and civil society. “As so many of you know, Islam granted legal status and protections to women long before many other cultures did. Women including Khadija, the Prophet Muhammad's wife, a successful businesswoman herself, and her daughter Fatima are examples of the rich heritage of leadership by Muslim women.†Hughes also recalled a story about Amara bin Al-Rahman, a woman jurist from the time of Muhammad. “She was described as a boundless ocean of knowledge and she shared her knowledge with a number of famous men,†the under secretary said. Hughes spoke about the United States’ multiconfessional traditions, saying: “The foundation of this nation, of our country, is built on respect for one another, from a belief in the dignity and the value of every single person. We believe all people, those of every faith, boys and girls, are equal and equally valuable. And it will take all of us to build communities in a world that is safer, respectful, and just and peaceful.†Under Secretary of State R. Nicholas Burns spoke of the value of interfaith dialogue as a means of achieving greater understanding and social harmony. “ome of the most powerful thinkers in the past century: Mahatma Gandhi, Martin Luther King Jr., the Agha Khan, the Dalai Lama, very different people but they shared one critical trait in common. Their actions were strongly rooted in their own religious beliefs, but they learned and grew from the teachings of other religions and may it be so in our own country,†Burns said. “It's learning about each other and standing up for each other, by being voices of tolerance and understanding, it's then that we'll overcome the challenges of extremism and of those who seek to distort and exploit religion, any religion, for their own particular design,†he added. A transcript of remarks by Hughes and Burns is available on the State Department Web site.

Can you provide the link? I have been trying to ascertain the source but couldn't find anything.

"Again it all comes down to what values one subscribes to. Somaliland holds democratic elections to gather people's votes and that may give it the right to claim to have a moral right to protect the will and welfare of its people. This can be countered with the argument that Somaliland has in essence forced a sizable number of peoples of territorial proximity to its broders, into a destiny that is not of the choice.That if the democratically marginalized minority, aren't really a minority but a majority whose other half has been kept out of the process of choosing their destiny. In a nutshell, the majority rule in Somaliland is a formally a 'minority' group of people that was in a country whose majority were opposed to what the now majority of Somaliland wish for! I hope that made some sense." Great point Paragon. I brought this up to wake up our brother Mutakalim from hibernation. That post was probably his last one, nearly three months back. "Brother what is treasonous to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia might be considered an act of civil disobedience in say Sweden! Are you with me there buddy! This means authorities that run Sovereign States are in a position to define what constitutes a high crime and what doesn't. It is local biz dear boy not a universal legal formulation all states are obliged to enforce. It might be the case that wishing ill for the queen is considered a treasonous act in the common wealth states. Yeah I’m stretching it a bit but you know what I mean. Now you threw couple of words into the plate thinking that might absolve whatever treasonous act your clannish rebels might have committed against Somalia that once was including but not limited to conspiring an active enemy to subvert sovereign state. Nop. I’m not buying it buddy. Look insurgency, rebellion, uprising, or what have you might mean something in political revolutionary thought. Or even these sort of violent acts might be morally justifiable. However in the strict legal interpretation if you don’t abide the laws of the land you are simply liable. The idea of the Chinese (a communist state) authorities, for instance, are restrained to implement their version of laws or Chinese malcontents who feel marginalized (Muslims in the Western corner) by the state are free to cross the border and attack the state under the pretence of “Legal Insurgency†is ridiculous. In this context the Chinese authorities would have the right to prosecute the rebels under the Chinese law. The jutice the law should be conforming to is another story altogether. But in the legal sense taking up arms against the authority is a crime the state have a right to prosecute. Talk about intellectual poverty what you exhibited in this thread is a textbook example. Dude you are brainwashed for real." Baashi. Very articulate and convincing

Originally posted by General Duke: ^^^No, my point is strightforward, Eritrea is not a Muslim country, it has even less Muslims than Ethiopia. Some people are trying to fool the Somali's by branding this nation as "Islamic" as they brand themselves as "Islamic courts". You are right 70,000 died and Eritrea lost, so if I had to get arms I would bet on Adis than on Asmara.. Duek, Eritreans are good fighters though they number less than Ethiopia. Before declaring independence, they first secured their capital Asmara and moved on to help the TPLF overthrow the last dictatorial regime. Ethiopia as a result granted them a full referundum for approval.

Red Sea, your comments seem to be coming from someone sitting on a perch with no attachments to Somalia or as though you have a different country. Brother, Somalia, whether Hargeisa or Mogadisho, is the same to me. i agree Mogaidho and surroundings were reduced to rubbles but they are picking up through grassroots movement.

I would love to see Mutakalim answer these questions or any other Nomad. Islamic Courts: who are they and what they want? By Muuse Yuusuf Oct 21, 2006 Social movements, revolutions and political parties require time in order to reveal their real identities and ideologies. They also go through incubation and evolutionary periods in which progressive, reactionary, conservative, and radical elements come into display until one of them emerges as the real power. This also applies to the Union of Islamic Courts (UIC). Although these forces and their ideologies have been around for sometime, it is only in the last four months or so that they have been in total control in some parts of Somalia, and have emerged as a formidable political force. A four-month period is not a very long period in the history of the growth of socio-political movements, and therefore to be fair one cannot really say that much about the real identities and political agendas of the UIC. Even though one cannot compare the UIC with well developed and organised political parties in developed countries, even democratically elected governments require a four-to-five year period before their electorate can pass a fair judgement as to whether they have really failed or succeeded in doing what they were elected for. Hence a caution is required when analysing and evaluating the UIC. Perhaps instead of condemning the UIC as terrorists – a serious accusation under the new world order, which can invite the wrath of a super power, one should salute the UIC for restoring some kind of law and order in southern Somalia, something that most Mogadishu residents would agree with me. However, concerns over future developments, i.e. UIC’s real identities, political programmes are crucial and legitimate. Therefore one should start asking some questions right now rather than “wait and see†until it is too late. In order to enhance the debate, I would like to share with the readers the following soul-searching questions, which reflects anxieties of many Somalis and the international community. Although I use the term “UIC†these questions are for all those socio-political forces and sleeping cells, whether be it in Hargeysa, Boosaaso or Baydhabo, who might have similar ambitions and aspirations as of those in Mogadishu . Politics Who are the UIC? Are they a concoction of clan demagogues whose main aim is to ensure the perpetual dominance of their clans over the scarce natural resources of this poor country thus causing continuation of the oppression and the injustices that had been committed against weaker and defenceless clans? Are they the group-who because of their tribal allegiances-will succumb to the pressures of clan demands and will therefore abandon their revolution like the old military “Somali Revolutionary Council (SRC)†regime did when they abandoned their “Hantiwadaaga Cilmiga Ku dhisan†- “Scientific Socialism?†Are they the folk who instead of establishing first a competent organisational and governance structure would - using people’s sentiments and emotions “Islamic faith†- provoke a war with neighbours and as a result dragging Somalis into another self destructive war? Do they want to plant the seed of another totalitarian regime in Somalia only this time in the name of religion under which public and private spheres of its citizen will be controlled by theological doctrine so that if yesterday it was “Aabbaha Ummadda†– the father of the nation, tomorrow it will be the “Sheekha of Ummadaâ€? Do they want to create a Saudi Arabian model state – total monarchy – where the right of the people to elect their leaders is denied? Zealots who would use their narrow interpretation of the Islamic faith to silence any opposition and dissent in opinion and in faith? Are they the ideologues who perceive such as human rights, democracy, freedom, liberty, pubic participation in politics including women as alien concepts that have to be erased from the public and the private conscience of the Somali nation? Or Are they the pragmatic group who see themselves merely as care-takers, and realise that the public is sovereign and that it is the Somali people who will decide who governs Somalia ? Are they the practical group that would continue their pragmatism approach to problem solving, for example creating courts in troubled areas in order to restore order and law as they did in Mogadishu until such a time when a viable state is restored in Somalia ? Are they the moderates who - even if they have political ambitions - would work hard to pave the way for the creation of a modern secular state based on the Malaysian state model where Islam lives side by side with other faiths such as Buddhism, Christianity, Hinduism etc hence moulding a more tolerant society that is happy with itself and can also live with its neighbours in peace and harmony? Culture Who are the UIC? Are they the reactionaries who would desecrate and dismantle national heritage, emblems and symbols that heroes such as the great Imam Ahmed Gurey had paid a heavy price for their realisation? Are they the cultural revolutionaries who would scorn culture and would eradicate national folklore and dance so that shir, gabley-shimber, dhaanto, saar, heello, jiifto, sheeko-xariir, buraanbur, geeraar, maahmaah, gabayo, maanso, heeso jaceyl, and countless beautiful cultural expressions will be destined to the graveyards? Revolutionary forces who would be prepared to sacrifice the lives of millions in order to destroy identities and create new ones consequently repeating and reminding the world of the atrocities committed under the bloody revolutions of Mao, Stalin and Pol Pot? Are they the Arabised fanatics who would prefer Abu Hafsa, Abu Cusman, Um Cumar over Somali names such as Geedi, Xaayow, Garaad, Gacal, Raage, Keenadiid, Ceydiid, Maandeeq, Dheerow, Caraweelo, Culusow, Ceynte, Samatar, Marwo, Maygaag, Eenow, Deerow, Iidow, Madoobe, Mukuy, hooyo, ayeeyo, eedo? Wahabiyah enthusiasts who would exterminate Qaadiriya, Saalixiya, Ahmadiya, Rfuaaciya, Saylaciya Sufi sects whose teachings based on tolerance, love, wisdom, philosophy, reason and non-violent methods had enabled Islam to spread to all corners of Somalia from Saylac-to-Ras Kaambooni? The Sufi orders who encouraged their disciples “xerta†to study different schools of thoughts including the Shaaficiya School of jurisprudence? The Sufi orders of national heroes such as Sayid Maxamed Cabdulle and Sheikh Hassan Barsane whose struggle had helped in defeating colonial powers. Are they the Wahabiyah fans who would outlaw Ziyaarada qubuuraha – a visit and reverence of the shrines of saints such as Sheikh Aweys Al-Qadiri of Biyooley - a tradition deeply held by many Somalis? Wahabiyah fanatics who would issue fatwa declaring followers of those orders as heretics under the pretext of the usual mantra “bidcah wat takfiirâ€- because according to their version of Islam these practices resemble idol worshipping, and as a result of their action stir up division, suspicion, animosity between the peace-loving of the Somali people? Or Are they the wise men who can bring themselves to the reality that above traditions and practices are realities in Somalia and have been so for a very long time, and that any attempt to erase them are bound to fail? Are they the accommodating group who will help nurture and protect Somalia ’ multiple-identities including its African and Arab heritage, and Western ideologies thus creating a balanced society that is at ease with its multi-layered identities? Education Who are the UIC? Are they the bunch who - in order to implement their strict doctrine - would prefer theological teachings over secular and scientific studies at the classroom thus oppressing the inquiring minds of the young who, otherwise if encouraged, would use their brilliant brains to acquire knowledge through balanced curriculum and well researched information? Dogmatists who would violently oppress the teachings of secular and scientific explanation of the matter and the universe? And because of that oppressive act many gifted minds will be wasted and Somalia like many other Islamic countries will be left out of the scientific and technological race hence perpetual poverty and death? Or Are they the liberal minded group who will nurture talents and encourage them to excel in all scientific fields and knowledge, which among others thing, explain the origins of the matter and the universe? Women’s sphere Who are the UIC? Are they the zealots whose main purpose in life is the application and adherence to the teachings of the Wahabiyah doctrine; an order whose strict interpretation of the Islamic faith had failed the Muslim world by dismantling Sufi traditions and their institutions that encouraged logic, reason and enquiry into all fields including theology, social and natural sciences? Sufi orders under which science, philosophy and theology had flourished thanks to their liberal interpretation of the Islamic faith. Are they a copycat of theMutawiciin – the virtue and vice police in Saudi Arabia who would indoctrinate girls to cover up all their bodies from toe to head? Zealots who would spend millions of dollars to buy special busses in order to separate boys from girls while the poor is left to die of poverty and mal-nourishment? Followers of the Wahabiyah chauvinists who are so anti-modernity that even in the 21 st century they cannot bring themselves to the reality that that women can be drivers, doctors, pilots and astronauts and can rob shoulders to shoulder with their male counterparts on equal terms? Wahabiyah women-haters whose attitude towards women is based not on Islam but on a pre-Islamic Arabian tradition where baby girls were buried alive as they were perceived in bringing shame on their families? Or Are they the blessed group who will treat women as human beings who have equal rights and responsibilities as of their fellow men? Freedom of expression Who are the UIC? Are they the totalitarian faction whose main aim is to control expression of personal thoughts, feelings, freedom of speech and ideas that differ from theirs? Control freaks who will not tolerate any artistic expression of dissent and opposition? Are they the reactionaries who believe that the sword is mightier than the pen, hence would condemn those who dare to ask questions to death by chopping off their head? Muuse Yuusuf Myuusuf3@hotmail.com

Some of the photos of the savagely devastated Mogadisho.

He is nearing his retirement age. May Allah reward him for the noble services he has done for his country. Awad Ahmed Ashareh, a Canadian serving in Somalia’s transitional government, says he sometimes finds the realities of life in his homeland overwhelming. “I tell you, it’s a horrible situation,†he says. I was taken aback when his daughter was murdered a little while ago in Toronto.

Mansa, it depends on how you interpret "occupiers". What you have in Adi Adheye is a group of clans banded together to confront Las Anod and since Las Anod is a peaceful city under the administration of Puntland, the residents prefer the conflict on the outskirts not creeping into their town. "Let them remain there till they can peacefully pack up and go back to their homes."

Somali sabre-rattling 10-20-06 It was the style of the Union of Islamic Courts (UIC) that caught the eye of Somalis, Somalia's neighbours, and the international community at large. Somali politics is like a pendulum. It swung too far in the direction of chaos under the tenure of secular warlords and now is swinging in the direction of law and order -- albeit Taliban-style. The UIC now dominate southern and central Somalia with an iron grip. Militant Islamist militias are now forcibly and systematically disarming rival secularist, clan and tribal-based counterparts. A semblance of order is assured. The militias hold sway over the streets of numerous cities and towns while UIC religious scholars promulgate Islamic Sharia laws. The Transitional Federal Government (TFG), in sharp contrast, is viewed as a valuable interlocutor as far as Western powers are concerned. They are also valued as allies against Islamist militancy, both by the West and by neighbouring countries with sizable ethnic Somali and Muslim minorities such as Ethiopia and Kenya. The TFG, however, controlled by disgruntled warlords who jeopardise the coherence of their own political position by threatening to revert to violent means to realise their political ends, has failed to build any confidence in the nascent Somali democratic process. Many Somalis now believe that TFG leaders should be prevailed upon to share power with UIC leaders. The UIC leadership, for its part, has a way of steering between an overzealous application of strict Sharia laws, which could cause a backlash in some parts of the country, and a pragmatic approach to political manoeuvering. It is uniquely poised to play a political role in this predominantly Muslim nation of 12 million. The problem, though, with the UIC is that where opposition to their religious zeal has shown teeth their tolerance has worn thin. A case in point is the Juba Valley where the local population has been less welcoming to the UIC's strict enforcement of Islamic Sharia laws. Their bigotry has resulted in a deluge of Somali refugees flooding northeast Kenya. Locals are finding it difficult to cope with the Islamists' jargon-littered programme. The larger truth is that the humanitarian situation in Somalia is rapidly deteriorating with Somalis fleeing conditions at home in ever-increasing numbers. Most end up in Kenya. More than 30,000 Somalis have poured across the porous border into Kenya this year. There are an estimated 150,000 Somali refugees in camps in Daadab, northeast Kenya. The influx has alarmed the Somali authorities. "In the process of living in Somalia and in flight, they need guns to protect themselves," Kenyan Foreign Minister Raphael Tuju explained. "As soon as they get into Kenya, they no longer need guns to protect themselves, but guns become a currency, then it compounds the security situation that we have in Kenya." The TFG's troubles stem from the conclusion its leaders have drawn about how it should use its limited powers. Even though the current wave of Somali refugees are mainly fleeing from the stranglehold of the militant Islamists, the exodus is unlikely to improve the TFG's reputation or help the forlorn, indecisive interim Somali government in any practical way. Nonetheless, in the wake of violent incidents in some southern Somali cities stormed by the militias of the UIC, there might be some popular resistance to the militant Islamists in certain parts of the country -- a potential political powder keg. Further, there are persistent reports that the UIC is split along ideological lines with militant Salafists and Qutbists, on the one hand, and moderates led by Sheikh Sharif Ahmed, who is reportedly said to favour dialogue with the West, on the other. However, even the moderate sheikh recently attended a press conference in Mogadishu dressed in military fatigues and brandishing an AK-47 rifle. The more militant strands are led by the mercurial Sheikh Hassan Dhahir Aweis, an old avowed foe of the Ethiopians and archrival of Somali President Abdullah Yusuf. Aweis, with his trademark henna- stained beard, is not particularly charismatic. He is, however, almost always met by adulatory crowds. "It is regrettable that in the process of the preparation for the third round of peace talks in Khartoum at the end of the month, the secretary general of the League of Arab States is not neutral in managing the affairs of Somalia," Somali Prime Minister Ali Mohamed Gedi wrote in a letter addressed to the African Union, the European Union, the United Nations as well as the Arab League. The TFG of Somalia, officially a member of the Inter-Governmental Authority on Development (IGAD) -- a grouping of seven East African nations -- desperately wants 3,500 IGAD troops, mostly Sudanese and Ugandan, to be dispatched to Somalia as peacekeepers patrolling the streets of major Somali cities. The UIC, however, vehemently opposes the presence of foreign peacekeepers, African or otherwise. "We warn the international community that it will pay a heavy price in the future if it fails to stop or even condemn the violations and aggression by the Islamists," said TFG spokesman Abdul- Rahman Mohamed Nur Dinari. The Islamic Courts indeed are setting up military training camps throughout southern Somalia to school youngsters in fighting "foreign troops". The TFG and the Islamists signed an interim peace accord that stipulated the eventual amalgamation of their respective troops into a unified security force, the nucleus of a Somali national army. But the terms of this agreement have always been a hard sell in Mogadishu. The prickly question of foreign peacekeepers, if not speedily resolved, is bound to poison the air at Somali peace talks scheduled to take place in the Sudanese capital Khartoum 30 October. Source: Al Ahram

An Interview with Ismail Mohamud Hurre, the Foreign Minister of the Transitional Federal Government of Somalia October 4, 2006 Wardheernews is delighted to interview Mr. Ismail Mohamud Hurre “Bubaâ€. Mr. Hurre is the current Foreign Minister of the Transitional Government of Somalia (TFG). He assumed this position as a result of a recent re-shuffle of the government; it is widely believed that Mr. Hurre, who was educated in the United State of America in the early parts of the 1960s, is up to the challenge. He was most recently the Minister for Regional Co-operation. With deep understanding of American politics, owing to his many years of residence in the States, an extensive network of contacts in several Middle-Eastern countries, a long list of resume that includes solid credentials in opposition movements that helped topple the former dictatorial regime, Mr. Hurre's visit to the United Nation's General Assembly and his networking with world leaders are all the more important. Some of the less known achievements of Mr. Hurre include that he is a successful businessman and an accomplished literary person. He has published short stories that have received his pears' acclaim. Mr. Hurre has a unique ability to articulate the views of his government's guiding principles and his own personal conviction, when needed, without one contradicting the other. Mr. Faisal A. Roble has prepared and conducted the interview for WardheerNews. WardheerNews (WDN): Let us forge ahead with the most pressing question: Does your government maintain that the recent suicide bombers, who attempted to kill President Abdullahi Yusuf Ahmed and some of the members of his government in Baydhabo city, are in anyway connected to the Islamic Courts Union (ICU) that controls Mogadishu and swats of territories in Southern Somalia? Minister Hurre: The link between the ICU authorities and the perpetrators of this heinous crime has been the subject of extensive media reporting and analysis. There were many who supported the view that the ICU was involved since they were strongly opposed to the TFG Institutions. Although the ICU has denied, we are diligently investigating and will not rest until we find out the source and origins of this crime. WDN: Is the work of these criminals, two of whom are under the custody of the Federal Transitional Police in Baydhabo, part of the worldwide terror network of Al-Qaeda? Minister Hurre: The case is currently in the hands of the Transitional Federal Government's police in Baydhabo. The TFG and its institutions intend to accord this case the benefit of the judicial system in place. I would like to share with you that we are currently intensively interrogating two alleged perpetrators of this crime. With the help of an international commission of inquiry and forensic team, we are pursuing all possible leads to exactly find out who was behind this crime. May I add that this crime does not only impact Somalia and its people, but it endangers potentially the lives of the entire people in the region as well as anyone who could be a victim of terrorism. Anyone found to be guilty of this crime would be subjected to the most rigorous punishment under the law. I personally believe that there is a valid indication that the terrorist measures that we have witnessed in Baydhabo smells as part of a worldwide ferocious terrorism that is creeping into our region. WDN: If the results of the investigation of the suicide bombs, a terror act not seen before in the country despite the absence of a central government for the last 16 years, which fatally killed several persons, including the president's own brother, leads to the door steps of the Mogadishu-based ICU, what is the plan your government has in store for them? Is an open war an option? Minister Hurre: As I have said, let us first of all condemn terrorism in the strongest sense of the word, no matter who did it. Having said that, it is equally imperative that the terrorist should be held accountable and be punished to the full extent of the law. The government's plan, therefore, is to reiterate what Prime Minister Mr. Mohamed A. Geeddi said in his press conference on this subject, that to execute the letter of the law as it pertains to this crime, and to continue with the investigation process until it is concluded; Moreover, the government intends to implement the Commission of Inquiry’s recommendations and enforce Courts judgment on the case. WDN: Let us turn to the new political and military developments in the Southern edge of the country. As widely reported, the ICU has moved into the port city of Kismayo and other towns in the Lower Jubba region. It seems that the ICU added Lower Jubba to the areas under its control. How much is this development a concern to your government? And what does your administration plan to do about it? Minister Hurre: The ICU has been flagrant in its violation of the terms of every agreement that it has signed in Khartoum, Sudan. More than the call for peaceful resolution to issues of bilateral interest, the leaders of the ICU in Mogadishu embarked on an aggressive and violent expansionist policy. In the recent past they have moved to regions outside their jurisdiction, just as Jawhar, Bal'ad, Beled weyn and various districts in the Shabelle regions, and as late as yesterday to Afmadow. With their illegal conquest of Kismayo and Afmadow cities, they have decided to turn their backs to all the agreements and to the regional and international community that has been instrumental in fostering the talks and forums between the two sides. We call on the international community and relevant institutions: UN, AU, IGAD to take all appropriate measures against the ICU for its flagrant violation of a series of agreements, which they have signed and agreed to enforce them. They should in particular refrain from their expansionist armed attacks and occupation of other districts and Regions beyond their clan constituency". In that regard, I had the honor of delivering formal message from President Abdullahi Yusuf Ahmed to his counterparts, Presidents Kibaki of Kenya and Omar Bashir of The Sudan, denouncing the pattern of violation of the existing agreements between the government and the ICU. The President Added also that the ICU would persist in these violations unless there is an external intervention. It has now become evident that the predictions of President Abdullahi Yusuf Ahmed have been vindicated by the current developments in the country. WDN: Let us turn to another issue that hinges on governance. The Transitional Federal Government’s (TFG) House of Representatives was established and continues to function on what is termed as the "4.5 formula," to allocate seats to competing different clans in the country. As you are aware of, the clans in the north, especially the community from which you nominally hail from expressed dissatisfaction about their allotment. Are you satisfied with what your community has been allocated to? Minister Hurre: To begin with, the formula of "4.5" power sharing during the Transitional period serves only as a guiding principle or framework to transition to a more permanent system of democratic governance in the country. The main focus during these trying-times of transition has and would be for some time to come how to foster peace and safety, while reconstructing our country. But on the overall intent of the question, I share the concern of the people in the north and would always strive to make sure that they are accorded their rightful place in a federally united national structure of governance. I have tremendous confidence that their concern and preoccupation would be adequately addressed. I strongly believe that the ***** clan should not receive less representation than the ******* or ****** clans. WDN: Let us turn to your trip. What is the message that you brought to the UN General Assembly and its General Secretary, Mr. Koffi Annan? Minister Hurre: I brought to the United Nations (UN) that the International community and the UN as a body had failed to fulfill their obligations to assist Somalia in its efforts to restore peace, security and national reconciliation. As I expressed in my speech to the General Assembly, the UN needs to constructively engage the TFG in reestablishing a peaceful environment to restore stability and promote national reconstruction and development. WDN: Do the message that you are carrying to the member states of the United Nations would have had more weight had the President himself delivered? Minister Hurre: Of course it is so, and no one can match the aura or the political weight and authority of a head of State who presides over the whole nation. That is true for all countries and institutions. In our case, however, there were competing interests that the president had to prioritize and it was decided that I could adequately represent him and the government this time in this particular assignment. I believe I have successfully communicated the president's message to the General Assembly and to his Excellency, Koffi Annan. WDN: Of course the obvious and tempting question to ask you would be the question of the North, alias "Somaliland." However, knowing that you repeatedly expressed your strong position on the unity and territorial integrity of your country, we rather ask you whether the purported Federalism and power devolution to the local authorities, a policy which the TFG keenly adopted, would adequately address the grudge of the people of the Northern region visa vi the previous government? Minister Hurre: According to the TFG charter, which was drafted in Kenya following arduous negotiations and mediations between different competing interests in the country, Somaliland would be a fully autonomous region within a vibrant federal structure. It will have complete autonomy on local affairs without any flagrant intervention from the Federal Institutions. I have no doubt that this system of governance would, if correctly implemented, address both local autonomy as well as national integration. I believe that federalism is properly applied in accordance with the federal constitution would for the most part address the main concerns and preoccupations of the people of Somaliland. WDN: In a recent story that was published widely in the Somali media, it was alleged that Sheikh Hassan Turki insinuated that his ICU forces would in time move to the breakaway region of "Somaliland and Puntland." Do you think that the unstoppable ICU militia equally threatens these peaceful regions? Minister Hurre: It is only a dream for the ICU to say that they can easily move to Somaliland and Puntland. It is my strongest belief that the people in those regions would vigorously defend their gains and achievements, which was not achieved overnight and has not come so easily. At the Federal Government level, we will make every effort possible that the peace and security that these two regions enjoy are not violated by the ICU whose programs are based on expansionism, violence and anarchy. If the ICU moves in a direction of expanding to these two regions, this would be tantamount to full-scale conflict and would plunge the country into a full blown civil war. That is unacceptable and would be strongly opposed at all costs. WDN: It has become a common practice for some ministers of the government to act in an unduly manner and often appear as if they are undermining the government and its objective to move things ahead. What does the government intend to do about these elements in your own ranks working against the government? Minister Hurre: Well, the Federal charter, which is the guiding principle of the TFG provides for the necessary rules and regulation to differ without undermining the cohesion of the council of ministers. In that regard, issues can and must be debated vigorously with differing views but amicably with in the context of the existing rules or procedures of the parliament and the council of ministers. Once a decision is reached, then all must respect the outcome. After all, this is a government of reconciliation, and it is guided by dialogue, discourse and above all tolerance, which are the hallmark for a successful transition to a democratic Federal system of governance. WDN: Lastly, do you still maintain interest in literature, even as a means of leisure, for a more serious objective as you have in the past shown to be an avowed short story writer? Is there any interesting work that you are currently reading, or that you have read recently to fend off stress or even seek pleasure from? Minister Hurre: Well, you have touched a soft spot. I like literature and have in the past quite successfully contributed in this area. But now, given my current schedule and demanding responsibility as a minister of the TFG, I could not give this my full attention. However, in the future, when things smooth out, I intend to give more attention both to literature as well as to other human endeavors. WDN: Thank you. Minister Hurre: You are welcome.

lol @ sharmarke, you mean kilinka Lixaad

Can you see the calculation of the stanza of this peom. 2.2s 2.4s 3.4s 4.3s $ 2. More http://www.dhahar.com/article.php?articleid=1744

Abwaan Xasan Xayle (Gabaygii Looma Taag helo) Gabaygan waxa tiriyay abwaan Xasan Xayle waxana ku kalifay nin la odhan jirey Aw-yuusuf ayaa ku yidhi waxaynu aadaynaa Sooomaaliya 1915kii si aad u guursatid gabadh yar , waa adiga habraha guursade e, waana ku adkeeyey, ka dib abwaanku wuxu ku yidhi “ aw yuusufow warqad ii qor ,†waxa uu aw yuusuf u qaatay inuu u dirayo walaalkii Yuusuf Xayle oo jira Ingiriiska , wuxuna Xasan Xayle yidhi warqadda waxan ku idhaahdo ku qor waa inaad ku qortaa , wuxuna yidhi (What a beautiful poem) Talo xumo todoba jeer nin falay haatanna u taagan Oo aan naftiisa u turayn looma taag helo e Nin tashiga tolkii aan ka maqal tabarna keenaynin Oo aan wax taaryoonkarayn looma taag helo e Taag malaha aadmiga ninkii tawstu qabataaye Taah gaban ah baa loo dhintaa taabashada mawde Inkastoo qardhaas lagu toxoo culimo loo tuunsho Haddii mawdku kugu taagan yahay looma taag helo e Tuun tuunka xoolaha ninkii taabka loo geliyo Tallaabaduu dhaqaaqaba hadduu tiro macaashaayo Isagoon tartiib dhaqanin buu taajiraa subaxe Haduu khayrku kugu soo tacjilo looma taag helo e Taw tawle aan edeb lahayn lagu tilmaan ceebe Tuunkii la joogaba hadduu faan ka tirinaayo Ninka hadalku tuumaajka yahay looma taag helo e Hadduu wiil tallaabada xarago temeshle tiicaayo Oo toosan inan doono oo tiriyo maalkiisa Haddaan meherka lagu soo tixgelin looma taag helo'e Tuko lagama karo wiil ibleys turub u qaadaayo Inkastoo tikaab iyo quraan lagu tiraabaayo Haddaan toobad lagu soo alhumin looma taag helo e Haddii naagi tiirkay fadhidey loogu tegi waayo Inkastoo tib weyn lala dhocoo tumaha loo qaado Waa tacallin ay baratay oo looma taag helo e Ninkii tiisa kaa buuxsadoo taadana aan yeelin Oo maalintuu toogo rabo kuu tol noqonaaya Oo maalintaad taag xun tahay kaaga taga hawsha Cadowgaan turriinshaha aqoon looma taag helo e Tiiraanyo iyo ciil ninkii tahan madoobaaday. Mar haddaanu tumaatiga wadnaha tahar wax dhaafsiinin Oo aanu xumaanta iska tirin looma taag heloe Waxba gabaygu yuu ila tegine waxan kusoo teeday Tabaalada aduunyadu ka fudud taayir neefsaday e Ilaahay ninkuu toosiyaa taawilaad hela e Tii eebbeheen waxan ahayn toogo lagu waaye Waxba hay tetebin Yuusufow taranku meesheede

good points Xiin. esp the Hadrawi analogy

I am just saying that we can't dispel the fact that the two entities of PL and SL are regionalist and secessionist respectively, so that implicates Ethiopia into the picture. Or are we ignoring the reality? It is not practically viable for SL to exist without direct collobaration with Ethiopia, for the latter provides weaponry. Ethiopia invites the two leaders,namely Cade and Kaahin annually or every six month on policy advisory notes.

I hope Duke thinks beyond the box

The secessionist mafia tax the people with out returning anything. ME, providing a sense of security to the general North West Somalis and safety to the Aid organizations should be commended. I don't think they can build roads or other economic infrastructure without a sizable loan from probably IMF--that helps member countries overcome their BOP problems or probably the International Bank for Reconstruction and Redevelopment--designed to build infrastructure. Even its sub-agency, IDA, which provides a soft loan of long-term debt, no interest or strings attached except small adminstration fees, can't come to the rescue of their vogue notions and wild claims. The above things could happen if a country is an existing entity that is recognized by the world, but that dream is far-fetched and won't come, trust me. It is better that SL adminstration realize the reality and contribute to the cross-fertilization of knowledge with its brethrens in that they can help their regions prosper and integrate faster with the rest of the world.