I just can't seem to wrap around my head how a small country of 100% Sunni Muslims have this long and hard religious warfare. The terminology of the old days of the civil war were dagaal-ooge, gacan-ku-dhiigle, m00ryaan, jirri, dayday, bililiqo, dakane-qabe, and maskiin iyo daris badbaadiye. Heshiis iyo wada hadal was Soomaalinimo. None of these had any religious references or connotations. I can't remember any warlord using shareecada iyo quranka references to wage war against his perceived enemy either. Now dagaal-ooge is the new Sheikh of the town. Bililiqo is qaniimo. Daris badbaadiye is jaajuus. Ismiidaamin is the new Islaanimo. Somalinimo is proving a thing of the the past. And sadly above all, shareecada Islaamka iyo aayadaha quraanka is used as the driving force of all the conflict. Gaalo-raac, murtad, dowlad-riddo is the new language. Do we Somalis really have this much difference in religion? Why is religion politicized this much and thriving so well? I know or heard of no Somali in Somalia that worships a different Ilaah, prays to a different direction, fasts a different month and follows a different prophet than the rest of Somalis. Yet our religious conflict suggest so. Were the early players, Caydiid, Cali Mahdi, Morgan, Ina-Yusuf and Ina-Jees a bit smart enough or responsible enough to not divide Somalis further along religious lines and in doing so not drag the beautiful religion of ours in the mud? Was our conflict and division in some ways better in those days than it is today? Apart from what Atam fans write on this board, he confessed in this interview on more than once that his fight is the good fight of Islam and that he wants PL under his shareeca rule. That's his ultimate goal. No word or claim on resource or inter-clan conflict from him. Reach power and fame through means of religion. Does the end justify the means for all these religious warlords popping up every corner of the country? A very valid and very relevant question I think.

^I have seen it and I don't believe a bit of it. This man comes across as a conning con artist who deceits people for living. I think he wants to manipulates the story and set himself as emerging some sort of 911 hero out of this and solve the so-called ground zero mosque controversy. The more I watched him the more I believe of that Germany story. The Park51 of course denying any reach with him. Governor Paterson offered them better deal [with the state's help] and I don't think they accepted that offer yet. What leverage does he have? Hey I'll burn your books if you don't stop your proposed building. I'd think they'd say, go right ahead. We too burn the quran for recycling. I don't understand why they'd even consider sitting in the same room with him. There are more credible religious leaders worthy of their time.

^Ma waxaa ka gaaray waqtii ashahaado aan ku dilee la isku qasbi jiray? Check back with these kids in about a year or two.

^Yeah he was so terribly bad to you that he helped you learn writing your language. Jizaar waaxid. Back to the topic. What happened to guryihii dugsida dowlada? Ma dad baa dhaxlay?

^I haven't listen and have no intention but I know Somalis have heard and seen much worst things than whatever he said. Is there anything in the world below a Somali warlord? Really. Use human blood to make few dollars. Shoot, kill and mutilate your own people in the name of clan, religion, country to get power and fame? All are hijacking masaakiinta ku dul nool for the last twenty years. Isma-dhaanto iyo dhasheed.

Huff Post is reporting the burning is canceled. Was the whole stunt about getting a publicity? He's got the condemnation of everyone Obama, Clinton, Petraeus, religious leaders and some gop. FBI paid him a visit. More

I used to listen Thom on the radio driving back from work.

Bloomberg: 'Sad Day For America' If Ground Zero Mosque Plan Is Killed NEW YORK — New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg says it would be "a sad day for America" if opponents successfully kill plans for a mosque proposed near the World Trade Center site. Bloomberg has been among a few outspoken elected officials supporting the plans for an Islamic center and mosque two blocks from ground zero. On Friday, President Barack Obama also backed the right for the developers to build a mosque there. He added over the weekend that he was not commenting on the wisdom of building a mosque close to ground zero. Some have said it is insensitive because the terrorists who struck the buildings in 2001 were Islamic extremists. Bloomberg applauded Obama on Monday for backing the mosque. He declined to read what he called nuances into the president's additional remarks on Saturday.

How the "ground zero mosque" fear mongering began A group of progressive Muslim-Americans plans to build an Islamic community center two and a half blocks from ground zero in lower Manhattan. They have had a mosque in the same neighborhood for many years. There's another mosque two blocks away from the site. City officials support the project. Muslims have been praying at the Pentagon, the other building hit on Sept. 11, for many years. In short, there is no good reason that the Cordoba House project should have been a major national news story, let alone controversy. And yet it has become just that, dominating the political conversation for weeks and prompting such a backlash that, according to a new poll, nearly 7 in 10 Americans now say they oppose the project. How did the Cordoba House become so toxic, so fast? In a story last week, the New York Times, which framed the project in a largely positive, noncontroversial light last December, argued that it was cursed from the start by "public relations missteps." But this isn't accurate. To a remarkable extent, a Salon review of the origins of the story found, the controversy was kicked up and driven by Pamela Geller, a right-wing, viciously anti-Muslim, conspiracy-mongering blogger, whose sinister portrayal of the project was embraced by Rupert Murdoch's New York Post. Here's a timeline of how it all happened: Dec. 8, 2009: The Times publishes a lengthy front-page look at the Cordoba project. "We want to push back against the extremists," Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, the lead organizer, is quoted as saying. Two Jewish leaders and two city officials, including the mayor's office, say they support the idea, as does the mother of a man killed on 9/11. An FBI spokesman says the imam has worked with the bureau. Besides a few third-tier right-wing blogs, including Pamela Geller's Atlas Shrugs site, no one much notices the Times story. Dec. 21, 2009: Conservative media personality Laura Ingraham interviews Abdul Rauf's wife, Daisy Khan, while guest-hosting "The O'Reilly Factor" on Fox. In hindsight, the segment is remarkable for its cordiality. "I can't find many people who really have a problem with it," Ingraham says of the Cordoba project, adding at the end of the interview, "I like what you're trying to do." May 6, 2010: After a unanimous vote by a New York City community board committee to approve the project, the AP runs a story. It quotes relatives of 9/11 victims (called by the reporter), who offer differing opinions. The New York Post, meanwhile, runs a story under the inaccurate headline, "Panel Approves 'WTC' Mosque." Geller is less subtle, titling her post that day, "Monster Mosque Pushes Ahead in Shadow of World Trade Center Islamic Death and Destruction." She writes on her Atlas Shrugs blog, "This is Islamic domination and expansionism. The location is no accident. Just as Al-Aqsa was built on top of the Temple in Jerusalem." (To get an idea of where Geller is coming from, she once suggested that Malcolm X was Obama's real father. Seriously.) May 7, 2010: Geller's group, Stop Islamization of America (SIOA), launches "Campaign Offensive: Stop the 911 Mosque!" (SIOA 's associate director is Robert Spencer, who makes his living writing and speaking about the evils of Islam.) Geller posts the names and contact information for the mayor and members of the community board, encouraging people to write. The board chair later reports getting "hundreds and hundreds" of calls and e-mails from around the world. May 8, 2010: Geller announces SIOA's first protest against what she calls the "911 monster mosque" for May 29. She and Spencer and several other members of the professional anti-Islam industry will attend. (She also says that the protest will mark the dark day of "May 29, 1453, [when] the Ottoman forces led by the Sultan Mehmet II broke through the Byzantine defenses against the Muslim siege of Constantinople." The outrage-peddling New York Post columnist Andrea Peyser argues in a note at the end of her column a couple of days later that "there are better places to put a mosque." May 13, 2010: Peyser follows up with an entire column devoted to "Mosque Madness at Ground Zero." This is a significant moment in the development of the "ground zero mosque" narrative: It's the first newspaper article that frames the project as inherently wrong and suspect, in the way that Geller has been framing it for months. Peyser in fact quotes Geller at length and promotes the anti-mosque protest of Stop Islamization of America, which Peyser describes as a "human-rights group." Peyser also reports — falsely — that Cordoba House's opening date will be Sept. 11, 2011. Lots of opinion makers on the right read the Post, so it's not surprising that, starting that very day, the mosque story spread through the conservative — and then mainstream — media like fire through dry grass. Geller appeared on Sean Hannity's radio show. The Washington Examiner ran an outraged column about honoring the 9/11 dead. So did Investor's Business Daily. Smelling blood, the Post assigned news reporters to cover the ins and outs of the Cordoba House development daily. Fox News, the Post's television sibling, went all out. Within a month, Rudy Giuliani had called the mosque a "desecration." Within another month, Sarah Palin had tweeted her famous "peaceful Muslims, pls refudiate" tweet. Peter King and Newt Gingrich and Tim Pawlenty followed suit — with political reporters and television news programs dutifully covering "both sides" of the controversy. Geller had succeeded beyond her wildest dreams.

^Should the blacks in the South move away from affluent middle class areas too to improve the Klan relationship? Nadler then addressed the biggest fallacy of the right-wing argument: namely, that in their opposition to the Islamic center, they are ascribing collective guilt on all Muslims for the terrorist acts of 9/11: NADLER: [W]hat they are saying essentially is how can you put a mosque there when, after all, Muslims attacked us on 9/11, and this is ripping open a wound? Well, the fallacy is that Al Qaida attacked us. Islam did not attack us. Islam, like Christianity, like Judaism, like other religions, has many different people, some of whom regard other adherents of the religion as heretics of one sort or another. It is only insensitive if you regard Islam as the culprit, as opposed to Al Qaida as the culprit. We were not attacked by all Muslims. And there were Muslims who were killed there, there were Muslims who were killed there. There were Muslims who ran in as first responders to help. And we cannot take any position like that.

Ngonge: I fail to see how you linked a local issue to Gitmo. That was a tough call for Obama but the right choice to make. As Fox News agrees, he had to stand up for the constitutions and articulate the commitment for religious freedom in this country to either worship or not worship, or build worship center, as an individual right guaranteed by the law of the land.

^Spare us your nonsense. Neither the developers nor the opponents really care your little opinion. The proposed building is not a mosque and not on site at ground zero as reported by some in the media. It is nearly three blocks away from ground zero and the the building is said to be a cultural center including museum, swimming pool, gym, sports area, and a prayer area. To call this building a mosque won't be any different than calling any large buildings that have prayer area (though they call it meditation rooms) a mosque. Many hospitals have meditation rooms but they're still hospitals. What matters at the end of the day if the developers have the legal right to pursue their plan to build. If and when this goes to the high court, it'll be 9-0 guul for the private owners of the land to build whatever they want. Jon Steward did a segment on this the other day - Watch Wyatt Senior Mosque Correspondent

Ramadan Mubaarak to you all. They just started Taraweeh in Makkah and ku guda jiraan Cisha prayer in Madina now. The blessed month is here. A lifetime opportunity indeed.

LST: I am not belittling the brother and the tremendous sacrifice he made and the significant work he accomplished in that short period of time. Oh no. He's a good example for all of us and we need more of him. He truly leads by example and deserves to lead the nation in that positive direction. What I was trying to point out was the fact that in this day and age, we can't afford to set up maamul for every sub-sub clan in every little city, district and village based solely on qabiil orientation. That undermines finding a possible solution to the root cause of the Somali conflict. Such maamul won't get us out of the qabiil gutter. Why confine the brother's wisdom and work to a small area and not make him example for others that positive change for the greater of the country is possible. Maaddeey: Put the pipe down kid. No matter how much hate you harbor for PL, it remains to be a third of Somalia's geographical area. You can hardly call that a tiny village. Unlike the place in question, neither PL nor SL is a single qabiil administration. Go educate yourself about PL demographics.

^Yaa ku yiri daawo dumar is-luxaya? Ma hebel kaa anjabi baa kuu xalaaleeyay? Extremists need not comment. Nicely done Saado.

lol@remix.

Indeed yaa Nassir. You can't use the blue flag to break down the country into tiny pieces. Shows the distance desperate people for power and fame. What an odd name for administration. The root word for ximan - must be xin, as in wax la ximiyo? Maamul of qabiil, by qabiil for qabiil doesn't benefit anyone including the qabiil itself.

^I saw that one awhile back and I can understand the way he asked he could've meant conversion unit of measurement. You gotta break it down for a system unit your layman viewer can understand.

I don't understand what obliged CNN to put this morally bankrupt hypocrite on the air and I can't even believe I am posting this here. I feel like I am trashing this forum for posting this garbage to say the least. I was reading this article about anti-Mosque sentiments in America when I come across this story.

Xudeedi: You do realize PL is bigger than any personalities? Faroole vs Atam is just as simplistic as a simpleton.

Despite all the well known, highly respected culumaa of PL, a recent graduate of fairly new Booasaaso University is issuing a fatwa that PL is denying the masses the right to practice Islam thus waging Jihad war. This is what I have difficult understanding. All of a sudden, they had to initiate an attack on PL authority and claim they're defending shareecada Islamka. Gee those soldiers at that check point were a symbol of the Bible in Muslim country and they had to gun them down. And in the way, they had to badmouth PL culuma in their little understanding of the deen. And someone is gonna say this ain't the hallmark of Shabaab. If there are genuine grievances against Faroole admin or about regional resource conflict, certainly four hundred armed insurgency militia with questionable motives is not the way to go and find a resolution. PL has been through many qabiil conflicts over the years and I don't remember anyone claiming PL being a threat to Islam and shareeca and planting the infamous black flag. There are hundred plus ways to settle a conflict without threatening the peace and stability of the state. Seek your rights and beat Faroole through the system not fire bullets or start attacking check points. That undermines the very peace and stability PL communities fought hard for and built together over the years. Atom doesn't need to pronounce or renounce Shabaab membership. That matters little as long as his claims and actions profess an extreme ideology and doctrine as that of Shabaab.

^Tell her please. Iphone is so over rated. Nina: It ain't about lacag or affordability. It is what I want in phone and what it offers for me in return. I won't get it because everyone has it. Keeping up with the Jones sort of thing ain't my thing.

^The iphone 4 is different story. You need to put a on in order to work.

Nina: What I don't fancy is the company locking you in big time. If you happen to buy an Apple house, you also must get Apple qol, apple joodariy and apple toilet, Apple stove, Apple dishwasher and Apple TV, even Apple kabo dacas. That's just madness. You gotta give people choices. Zack: Slow and prone to virus is a windows commodity, not necessarily ceeb. That itself is what makes the brand. You gotta point though. I gotta try others especially this Google OS thing.

^As far as I can remember I've been using Windows based smartphones and I could do almost all the things I ever needed for a phone to do. Loaded with some many different roms. I am not a big fan of touch screen. I am leaning towards HTC HD2 now but I am not sure what OS it runs. Haatu: No replacement for liquid damaged phone but you're on your way to becoming a nerd by opening the inside of the phone, sink it in bariis qalalan for a day or two, do a little alxan if need be, then close it up and you're back on.