Zack is citing Shabaab website to prove Kenya is fighting Shabaab. Zack you're trying a little too hard. Give it a rest mate.

^War he meant istiin as in istiinka. Get it? He knows all that you listed ee dhagaha fur.

^Right on brother! But I thought the SSDF & SNM gave the hint.

^Don't you get tired of evolving? You were against the invasion before you were for the invasion. And you are for it. How many more times are you planning to flip flop?

Zack: I edited. Not Geele but Geedi as in Cali Mohamed Geedi, the former PM. Anyho, you must also believe Azania is different than USC, SNM, SSDF, SPM, and the thousand other acronyms for the clan militias.

Libaax-Sankataabte;754196 wrote: The PM never supported this invasion. Quoting silly newspapers doesn't mean much boys. Shariif, if what I am hearing is true and he doesn't change his mind, is taking a good stand against this aggression and the PM is on his side. Unilateral invasion should not be supported. The Kikuyo boys were not called in for help by the TFG. They just invaded on their own. This is the PM statement on the original agreement: "We agreed with our brothers Kenyan government in undertaking coordinated security and military operations spearheaded by TFG soldiers trained by Kenyan government. We welcome the support of the International Community in defeating Al-Shabaab and wish to emphasize the need to do this while respecting the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Somalia " No spin. Take it at face value. I think you're the one spinning the story to your liking my friend. The PM's position is clear. Listen to his VOA interview. He is basically saying KKenya needs to protect its tourism business so it can bomb Somalia back to the dark ages. I assume this is the first Sharif vs Gaas inner khilaaf. Yet another PM vs President showdown. Waa sunatalaahi latii qad khalat..... At least, we do know this time Sharif is on the right, protecting the sovereignty of the state.

^I am baffled you even ask such a thing. How is Gaas any different than Geedi whom didn't mind Ethiopia bombing Moqdisho. Harvard graduate? So huge deal. One oks Moqdisho to be bombarded, the other does it in a another city. I am sure you condemned Geedi though his argument at the time wasn't any different than yours today. He was saying Amxaaro was driving the Islamists out out of the country for the good of Somalia. Ironically, today you believe the same crap he did five years ago. My positions have not changed a bit. Foreign invasions is a foreign invasion. It is you that's going with the winds, or with the politicians in this case. You shouldn't put the sovereignty of your country at the hands of few crooked politicians and neighboring foreign entities. Welcome to the league of Geedi and Gaas & Ghandi. Edit: Geedi not Geele,typo

The Zack;754321 wrote: Jacphar, The Garowe Online source was for you and your company, people who love the local sources. What is your take on Gaas's new statement? Between Garoowe and the Times? Thanks but no. I think the Times is more reputable. That's not even a choice you should consider.

Who knew Zack would cite Garoowe Online (read: Punties news editorial) over New York Times to back up the version of the invading fufus. Here's what the NY Times wrote: “The United States did not encourage the Kenyan government to act, nor did Kenya seek our views,” said Katya Thomas, a spokeswoman at the American Embassy in Nairobi. “We note that Kenya has a right to defend itself.” Pentagon officials are now watching cautiously. “This is not something that’s coordinated with us at all, so it’s not something we have much knowledge about,” a senior Pentagon official. “We want to see how this develops.” http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/27/world/africa/kenya-planned-somalia-incursion-far-in-advance.html?_r=1&pagewanted=1&ref=world

Must you bold each and every word to drive the message home to the thick skull of our Azania boys? For the past several years, the American-backed Kenyan military has been secretly arming and training clan-based militias inside Somalia to safeguard Kenya’s borders and economic interests, especially a huge new port to be built just 60 miles south of Somalia. But now many diplomats, analysts and Kenyans fear that the country, by essentially invading southern Somalia, has bitten off far more than it can chew, opening itself up to terrorist reprisals and impeding the stressed relief efforts to save the lives of hundreds of thousands of starving Somalis. Despite their close relationship with Kenyan security services, which receive millions of dollars in American aid each year, American officials said they had been caught off guard by the incursion. “The United States did not encourage the Kenyan government to act, nor did Kenya seek our views,” said Katya Thomas, a spokeswoman at the American Embassy in Nairobi. “We note that Kenya has a right to defend itself.” Pentagon officials are now watching cautiously. “This is not something that’s coordinated with us at all, so it’s not something we have much knowledge about,” a senior Pentagon official. “We want to see how this develops.” Pentagon officials said the immediate impact of dispersing Shabab fighters was good. But without knowing much about the overall Kenyan strategy or long-term plan, they are a bit wary. “It’s difficult to discern what’s the next step,” the official said. Kenyan officials say the next step is marching all the way to Kismayu, a Shabab-controlled port town that churns out tens of millions of dollars in taxes for the Shabab every year. But Lazarus Sumbeiywo, a former leader of Kenya’s army, said the Kenyans were erring tactically . Somali officials, despite being enemies of the Shabab, have been furious about the Kenyan incursion, with Somalia’s president, Sheik Sharif Sheik Ahmed, calling it an “inappropriate and unacceptable” encroachment on Somali sovereignty The dispute has left Western diplomats to mediate between the two sides, but Mr. Mutua said that “a lot has been lost in translation” and that the Kenyans and the Somalis were still close. Still, aid organizations are deeply concerned that the military operations will affect efforts to reach starving people in Somalia’s famine-stricken interior. The United Nations has said that tens of thousands of Somalis have already died and that 750,000 could starve to death. The Shabab control many of the hardest-hit areas, and Shabab fighters have blocked most Western aid groups from entering. “Some of the drought-affected people who arrived from other parts of the country are now facing multiple displacements in the wake of the military activities,” a United Nations report said Wednesday. “Movement of humanitarian personnel and supplies are also likely to be restricted, subsequently affecting the timely delivery of assistance to populations in need.”

Ban them copy cats. SOL doesn't need rebels.

^The orphans of the Queen getting a little obsessed in what happens down the South?

^Exactly. I see no difference. At least Somalia have come to learn the ways AS operate. Kenya bombing is a whole new beginning. Ironic the same folks here making all the noises in the arrival of Ethiopians and Amison are clapping for the Kenyan air bombardments. Clan must be thicker than blood.

^I guess Yusuf Xaaji and co are the cousins of Yeey. Nice try kido.

^On this very threat, we do indeed know you're here the puppet hailing the invading army. Contrary to your misguided belief, Kenya is not committing its army and putting its security and economy at risk to do any good for your clan or set up admin in Somalia. That was what the Americans and Ethiopians said they'd do during their invasion. If Kenya cares and loves that much about you, it would have made life a little better for tolka in Kenya. Take off the clan lenses and think long and hard why Kenya is coming to claim the piece of the pie. No your tol has little to do with it, they just happen to be the manpower. No more or less.

He seems to be choosing his words carefully. Perhaps, the question is posed differently. He should have focused on the ninety percent of the famine stricken Somalis dying in the region than Kenya's coastal tourism decline. What a shame! On in Somalia where the president speaks for the nation and his pm justifies the attacks on Somali sovereignty.

^I got no qualms about your accusation so long you remain a proud servant and puppet to the Kenyan army.

I'll take the fake nationalism over a puppet for the fufu.

Zack ha la daayo. Asaga iyo his geology professor waxay rabaan to accomplish what Ina-Jees did not twenty years ago. Ina-Jees failed the tol pretty bad and someone has to get it right this time at whatever the cost. Bomb the country and its famine stricken masaakiin and serve the fuufu soldiers some tasty bananas in Jamaame. Way to go man. Just save your Amison rants from us.

What's an Amxaar doing on this very site?

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^You two should get a room to sort things out. What was the topic? SSC? I thought that stood for a land not qabiil members? Did I miss something?

The International Human Rights, the UN, and the State Department are opening investigations leading to the death of Gaddafi. Now that his body is stored in a meat locker for public viewership, they care so much about him that they want to know why he was spit on and punched in the face.

^Start inserting the victim card here? Unlike Qaddafi, Somalis wish Siyaad Barre was here to keeping the demons in the box so the world wouldn't be seeking solution to the twenty year old civil war. Let's not start glorifying Gaddafi for all we know he wasn't innocent. Far from it, he was a dictator who brought hell to his people. And a tyrant that dragged the country down into ruins. ATT: In essence, dictators and the people are secondary to the interest of the powers that be which sadly Nato & UN serve well.

Unlike Mubarak and Bin Caabidiin, Qadafi and Sadam faced their enemy in the face as they took their last breath. In that sense, they didn't choose the easy way out but kept their word they ain't going no where and the bullet. Alle ha u naxariisto. I hope his death doesn't turn Libya into Moqdisho, bin fulaan against bin bin fulaan min qabiila madiina kidaa.