This Farah Macalin character is so out of reality that he believes Odinga/Natenyahu bombs are the solution for Somalia than that of Meles. He is so fake and shallow he thinks Kenya's weaker career army has a better chance of defeating AS than Ethiopias.

Burundi and Uganda, as part of Amisom, with Djibouti and Sierra Leone poised to commit trooops; Kenya and Ethiopia with their own military efforts; and various international actors remaining very quiet for now, although there’s plenty of speculation that the United States is contributing drones to go after specific targets. AT is not only welcoming the Ethiopian troops. He's readily willing to belly dance for them.

Yet another example why secessionism failed the people.

^Whatever happens, remember the bridge is not an option. Everything will be all right.

Somali or not, this is a Kenyan solider carrying out the duties of his military superiors. Somali ethnicity matters not. A little ironic as a Kenyan military member, he's gotta worry for the safety of his family back home as he put it, for being Somali while at the same time he's fighting against Somalis.

The whole cabinet resigned today. When is the military's turn to depart?

^right. I think you guys are misreading it. The cartoon depicts Axmed not Cabdi. Axmed is the only Samater that fit here.

Sxb AS were splinter of ICU so not much difference there. Neither is Kenya that any different than Eithopia. One thing we learned out of the Somali civil war over the last two decades is that Somali politics and factions change everyday just like the weather does. You can bet on that. Anyhow, good nite sxb, we'll pick up from here later.

Sxb I wish things were as simple as you're making them out to be. We're talking about a region that's been in a constant turmoil. The port city is the second most fought city in the country. Only Moqdisho is ahead of Kismaayo in terms of war and violence and change of hands. The situation is as complex as it gets. No quick fix is gonna reverse twenty years of inter clan warfare. Neither is foreign entity gonna alter the situation for the better. As much as you don't like to acknowledge, AS made living possible in Kismaayo since they gained control of the city. They made those dark days of yaad u dhalatay and isbaaro behind. It wouldn't be over exaggeration to say Kismaayo has seen peace and stability when AS showed up. No peace under any clan administration. What you're suggesting couldn't work in Moqdisho and it is not going to work in Kismaayo. You're repeating the recent history of Moqdisho. In Yusuf had the same line of thinking as you when he arrived Moqdisho with Ethiopian tanks. We all know how it ended. The Kenyans are gonna fix us up quickly and leave and we'll live peacefully ever after is kind of childish thinking. AS is a Somali problem. Somalia's solution has to come from Somalis, not foreign entities.

^You seem to be torn apart between Nuune and another? I see you don't want to vote for Nuune yet you don't want to piss off them jiniyo? Tough choice my friend. Mid December? That's a bit far.

The Zack;759866 wrote: Faroole is on board, Puntland is on board, majority of that community are on board. I was talking about YOU, Jacphar. There are two kinds of people who are against the Kenyan incursion: a Shabaab supporter or a clanist. Wareyso Gabbal. Tell me why would anyone oppose this. I am not a fan of foreigners, don't like them.. I and many many Somalis support this one for a simple reason. We want Alshabaab out! Kenyans may have their own motives but the motive we have is bigger. We are using them and not the other way around. Sidaa u garo abti. ^Oh gotcha my friend. I'm the one with all the hatred and animosity for the O? Wow! I didn't know you've cilmil-qaby powers. Tell us when is Jesus returning?? Seriously, you can't classify people into little categories. People can be against Kenya's illegal war in Somali for many many gazillion reasons. Not just the two you listed. They can be for AS or against and still think Kenya has no business in Somalia. This is really getting elementary. You can't accuse the vast majority of the Somalis that oppose Kenya's interference with Somalia to either be with AS or have ulterior clannish motives. That's a huge accusation you don't want to be making my friend. You're saying if you say no to Kenya, you must want AS or must hate the O clan?? Waxaaga kama duwan either with Kenya or with AS. That's your solution my good friend?

The Zack;759840 wrote: I am well aware of the stance of the community I am speaking of. Unfortunately, You are against the Kenyan incursion for your clan interest, not for nationalistic reasons. Shariif Canbe opposed the Kenyan intervention because of Azania. The difference between you and him is one finally said it out loud while the other is still hiding behind nationalism. Puntland fully supports Kenya's invasion -check Faroole stands by Kenya's invasion -check Abdiwali signed on Kenya's invasion -check Yet you say some Puntlanders oppose Kenya's military operation inside Somalia out of hatred and deep seated animosity for the Ghandi clan and Azania administration??? I don't get the logic. Sxb walk me through horta. How can you accuse anyone lacking patriotism and nationalism when in fact they say no to foreign invasion???

The Zack;759815 wrote: Jacphar, I want Al-shabaab out of Jubbooyinka and out of Somalia. I am fine with using Kenyans to do the job. The funny thing is the majority of that community agree with me. I don't know where you polled the community in question but I don't believe for a second a sane Somali thinks Odinga-Natenyahu operation will bring that illusive peace to the region. Give credit where it's due, despite AS murderous lifestyle, they kept the region relatively peaceful and people aren't getting killed/looted along clan lines. So yes the region has been the safest since its recent history. But we'll the judge of that if Kenya brings any peace to the region and/or receives a warm welcome from the clans in the region as you keep suggesting.

^AT you just managed to dump Azania and Zack like a hot potato by inviting the arc enemy of the country.

^mix a little xabad sowda with xulbad, all your insomnia goes away baa jiniyadii nuune laga soo wariyey. Give it a try.

Che- AT maybe but Zack is a hardcore Kenyan believer.

^I thought duqyaasha outgrow insomnia?

^No a good question is why does it not matter?

^Wuu ku gurayaa caawa dee odaga. Mr. Somalia goormaa loo aftaxeenaa.

Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar;759727 wrote: About qoraalka, haddii run loo hadlo Soomaalida qaarkood si xun u isticmaalaan meelaha dadweynaha ka dhaxeeyo. Badownimo iyo nadaafaddarro inay ka tahay midkood ma'ogi, laakiin they have that maxaa iga galay attitude. Nadaafadda iyo dadka xishmeynta wey fiicantahay, diintana wey na fareysaa ee in taas la ogaado had iyo jeer wey fiicantahay. Dadka kale la xishmeeyo, buuq iyo qeyladana la yareeyo. I'm sorry but that's just an excuse to discriminate. On this side of the Atlantic, it will be thrown out of the window. No one can be discriminated based on gender, color, or nationality. Imagine a car wash company denying service to a certain group of people for alleging some of their cars are way too dirty. I hope the Somalis will explore their legal avenues and hurt this son of bigot where it hurts the most, the wallet. If some are misbehaving, the business has every right to deny them service. But he needs to identify them individually and take whatever measures to protect his business. He has no right to lump everyone together and deny a service based on nationality. They should do business with his competitors next time.

Waan ka dhacsanahay dee.

The article mentions Islamists & Muslim Brotherhood more than a dozen times to send the message loud and clear.

Does it really matter anymore? I mean meeshu waxay noqotay sandaqad IGAD iyo AU maamulaan. Foreign troop is just that, foreign troop whether Ethiopia, Kenya-Israel, or others.

The intervention of external forces in Somalia has consistently plunged Somalia into greater destruction. Is it even possible to compound the suffering of a famine-stricken population? Once again, we find ourselves at a familiar junction: Destructive, illegal intervention, the continuation of internal chaotic violence and a new indignation. This situation need not deteriorate further. As far as Somalia is concerned, this time calls for a new solution - that is, one that comes from neither foreign forces invading the country, nor from violent factions within Somalia terrorising the population. For those who don't yet know, Somalia is experiencing a quiet, yet significant, change: The Somali people have found a third way; one that is a civic-minded, progressive political movement. And this effort is gaining enthusiastic support amongst Somalis inside and outside the country. The current crisis facing Somalia today is unprecedented, and has so far been faced with paralysis and intransigence. Further, unlike the tsunami and earthquakes that have traumatised populations in other parts of the world, the Somali situation was foretold and attempts were made to raise the alarm ahead of the tragedy - unfortunately those cries fell on deaf ears. The result was predictable: A lot of hand-wringing, soul-searching and raking over the ashes of the world's most pressing humanitarian concern. Yet, the world continues to somnambulate through the problem even as the situation deteriorates and the problem becomes more complex. This is a haven for those with a terrorist or self-interest agenda that seeks to exploit a power vacuum and a vulnerable population. Enter Kenya and al-Shabaab. Somalia has been unfortunate for at least two decades during which time warlords and all other merchants of violence have devastated the country's human existence. Al-Shabaab has been the latest of these groups to impose severe misery on the population by denying them the basic right to choose their legitimate leaders and access to food aid - thus condemning them to famine. Into Kenya In one of its most barbaric and recent assaults on the civilian populations, al-Shabaab massacred over 70 young Somali students who gathered to find out the results of their academic examination. In addition, the violent adventures of al-Shabaab have reached other location in the East African region; as witnessed by the bombing of the sports bar in Kampala in 2010, and the kidnapping of hapless tourists as well as aid workers who were serving Somalis made destitute by famine in Kenya. Kenya responded forcefully to al-Shabaab's acts by bombing presumed locations inside Somalia - such as the Kismayo harbour, Afmado, and others. As if on cue of contradicting itself, the inept Transitional Federal Government (TFG) leadership first acknowledged that it had given Kenya the permission to undertake these operations without parliamentary approval, but as Kenya inserted its ground forces into Southern Somalia, the TFG leadership back-peddled and claimed that it had never consented to Kenya's intervention. In return, Kenyan leaders lambasted the TFG leadership and accused them of complicity with al-Shabaab, unless it officially endorsed the intervention. Hurriedly, the Somali PM flew to Nairobi and signed a memorandum of agreement with his Kenyan counterpart without a sanction from the other officers and organs of the TFG, let alone a briefing of the Somali people. To be sure, Kenya has every right to defend itself against al-Shabaab. That said, the key question here is not whether or not this should happen but rather how, when and, above all, who should be targeted. Thus far, Kenya's military response seems indiscriminate and, therefore, Somalis and al-Shabaab have become synonymous. The consequences have been the destruction of civilian lives and property. In addition, Kenya has ordered the population of the 10 largest towns in deep, southern Somalia to evacuate in order to demolish what Kenya considers al-Shabaab targets. So far, the citizens of these towns have not been offered an alternative refuge. RIP Somalia? Is the country condemned to eternal damnation? With all of the focus on either the war on terror, warlords, famine and disputations over which local potentates neighbouring states and the West should support, it is easy for the moderates and the voice of reason to be lost in Somalia. This is not a zero-sum game and there is a middle ground: A nascent progressive Somali alternative opposed to all the destructive and demeaning madness, has arrived on the stage. Consequently, no sane and serious efforts to revive Somalia can exclude this new civic movement. The perspective of this progressive alternative is informed by this political point of view: The Somali people must be allowed the right to determine their political future and to choose their leaders without external meddling, as is currently the case. This is what distinguishes us. We are also realists and, therefore, acknowledge the Herculean task before us - one that requires practical intelligence, courage, determination and supreme patience. Furthermore, we are acutely cognisant of the dearth of human capital and financial resources. But unlike our predecessors, we are prepared to win the great battle of national reconstitution not through a cowering the Somali population but by: Redeeming the recent past from self-destruction Inspiring and empowering our people Convincing the genuinely sympathetic members of the rest of the world that the Somali people are ready to do the right thing for their country. We are prepared to undertake this historic assignment with imaginative vision, achievable policies and rigorous discipline - always accompanied by a healthy dose of realism. There are good reasons for Somalia and Kenya to cooperate on matters beneficial to both peoples. However, for such cooperation to be legitimate and balanced, both sides must bring their combined and best thinking, honesty, mutual respect and candour to the re-building of the relationship with the understanding that Somalia's current vulnerability must not be exploited by those who claim to want to help it. In particular, Kenya's claims about fighting al-Shabaab must not be used as pretext for extending its influence by involving itself in domestic Somali conflicts. Despite our strong sympathy for Kenya's concern about terrorist acts against its citizens, there is still material evidence that Kenya has not been an honest neighbour of Somalia. As a matter of fact, its meddling in Somalia's domestic political contestation have created circumstances which make Kenya party to the mess in Somalia; which in turn enables unsavoury groups like al-Shabaab to flourish. Dysfunctional TFG There are, at least, three instances in which Kenya consciously sided with Somali warlord-cum political actors. First, Kenya hosted the discredited Somali Reconciliation which produced a dysfunctional TFG dominated by warlords. The chair of that conference was none other than Ambassador Kiplagat - the man who enabled the Ethiopian government to have a free hand in selecting a significant number of the voting delegates. In the early days of the conference, Ethiopian and Kenyan Security officers met in Kenya where the Ethiopians urged Kenya not to waste this opportunity to fix Somalia forever. Second, Kenya wittingly collaborated with Ethiopia during the latter's bloody invasion of southern Somalia by closing the Somali-Kenya border and by renditioning fleeing Somalis to Ethiopia where many were tortured and some still languish in prison. Third, the "dual-track" strategy towards Somalia, designed by the US, that came into effect last year has had the effect of further fracturing the political map of Somalia by endorsing "development of regions". Now, an ever growing number of artificial and clanistic regions led by instrumentalist leaders are making the warlord fiefdoms of yesteryears look like child's play. There are now over 15 individuals who claim to be "presidents" of those regions. In some cases, there are more than one "president" to a region! "Dual track" has become a profitable licence to seek aid-largesse as well as to use the region as a bargaining chip in the presumed federal order that is supposed to replace the transitional disorder. To take advantage of this Bantustan-like chaos, Kenya has assisted the formation of one such region in Somalia's deep south. Earlier this year, a sectarian group met in Nairobi and formed what they have called "Azania" with a former anthropologist as "president". There is enough evidence pointing to the Government of Kenya's interest in the creation of such a region for sometime. Recently, WikiLeaks released a document stating this fact. We learn from WikiLeaks that even Kenya's long-time ally, Ethiopia, is worried about Kenya's approach. MORE: http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2011/11/2011111584756956993.html

Has been on the market since the start of the civil war. No central government, corrupt officials and continual civil war makes possible. But money will also buy you a Kenyan, Ethiopian or other African passports. Just another business transaction.