Oodweyne;938449 wrote: Jacpher, Welcoming the Kikuye and Tigre in to your country is a millions miles away to the notion of "borrowing" their muscles to settle score with others. Furthermore, to hope to win their consent so that they may recognized you, is once again a millions miles to the idea of doing their "bidding" in the form of creating a "buffer zone" for them, which is the desperate case of what Uncle Madobe and his Jubba initiative, are really about .. So you're reduced to challenging Madoobe on these boards these days and forgetting what you used to brag about here; SL, a stable, viable democracy country in the horn of Africa. Have your dreams and vision for Somaliland died or on life support? Is Madoobe to blame for that Glad President Hassan is pushing the right buttons to literally bring you back to Muqdisho.

@Oodaka: I didn't think as well mannered duriya gene, you wouldn't restore to distracting the debate with Kikuyu or buffer zone. At least you know this ain't what's on the discussion table in Turkey. When in doubt, bring up Jubbaland poltics maa strategy idiin noqday :D @Carafaat: The same Kikuyu and Xabashi you've been welcoming to Hargeysa in hopes of them recognizing you. Save it for another day Mr. Secessionist. It ain't me who is in Turkey telling your adeer 'come to Somalia'. It's my president Hassan saying Somalia is here to stay as one country. Soomaali ma kala go'do. Say it after me.

Carafaat;938431 wrote: Saxiib Jacpher, You reasoned that Siilanyo opposes Hassan Sheick and is against Somalinimo. They have met recently and were both smiling, see the pictures and their signing of the cooperation. But as you have reasoned, if opposing Hassan Sheick is the standard for being against Somalinimo then it seems that the only ones who are opposing Hassan Sheick and support the Kikuyu's is Madoba and his pirate assistents. Thus according to your logic, they are against Somalinimo. I suggest you read back what you wrote and retract if you oppose your own reasoning. Carafaat: I didn't realize meeting up and a photo-op moment was a commitment on Siilaanyo to giving up secessionism. Siilaanyo opposes Hassan's call for unity and the return of the old Somali republic, if you were that slow to understand my previous point. Now, I'm sure there are plenty of politicians/leaders in the South who don't see every issue eye to eye with Hassan, but they're in support of him with Somalinimo and Somalia as one united country, included are Madoobe, Ghandi, Faroole and the rest of them guys you love to demonize in here. When it comes to the talks in Turkey, on the issue of Somalinimo, Siilaanyo and his team are the only opposition to Hassan call, not other Southern leaders. It is just getting elementary going into little details like this. So you introduced Madoobe to the equation to just distract. Hassan and Madoobe are on the same level in terms of Somalia coming back. Their difference is within the federal system; the law; how it gets applies, how it is implemented. Not parting into two countries. Funny how you lump Madoobe & Siilaanyo into one equation of against Somalinimo while you know Madoobe and Hassan are bound to the same constitution and Siilaanyo believes he is in a different country far far away called Somaliland with its own constitution :D

Oba: There you go with mixing up oranges and apples. There are wars, conflicts, struggles and million other issues in the South. However, Somalinimo ain't one of them. I don't think Hassan is in Turkey trying to fix Somalinimo in the South. He's there selling Somalinimo is well and alive and that Somaliland should reconsider and give up the idea Somalinimo is dead. That's the argument between Somalia vs Somaliland, not clan x, y, z are fighting for state in Baydadhabo Kismaayo or any other city in the South. Internal issue vs External. And if you think Somaliland talada go'aansiga ayadey u taal, Culoosoow disagrees with you. Carafaat, whenever you run out of arguments, resort to clan and personal attacks. If you think Madoobe and Jubaland are against Somalinimo, you're not as knowledgeable of the issue as I thought.

oba hiloowlow;938400 wrote: jacpher somalinimada aad ka hadleysid waa maxey? look at JL for example dadkii natives.ka ahaa boqolaalka sano deganaa ayaa xaqooda loo quuri la'yahay and your telling me somalinimo wey nooshahay. ^War doqonoow dadkaas dagaalkooda ma aheyn mise Soomaalinimo ku saabsan; waa resource iyo land dispute as it was for the civil war in the south. Muqdisho, Baydaho, Kismaayo, Gaalkacyo, all these southern cities, the war wasn't about for Soomaalinimo or against Somalinimo. They were fighting for land and control along clan lines. All these clans will stand up for Somalinimo and Somaliweyn regardless of their inter-clan warfare. Dadkan waa dad walaalo aaminsan Soomaliweyn oo dagaal dhex maray wilina ogol inay wadankooda inkastoo ay jirto political difference. They all call Muqdisho their capital regardless of political disagreements. On the other hand, SL is running away because it doesn't believe in Somalinimo iyo Somaliweyn. See the difference. Whatever is happening in the south has little to do with seceding from the country because of Somalinimo died. So for you to believe Somalinimo is dead is no different than believing in separating the country into pieces of clan countries. Hassan is elected to bring Somalinimo back under federalism. Don't confuse the issues of some parts of the country have with the federalal system. Those are internal issues that will get resolved. You are either for Somalia and Somalinimo behind Hassan or behind Siilaanyo with secessionism and death of Somalinimo.

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x.xaaji: Ma waxaa la gaaray markii aad naive iska dhigi jirtay? Sow adinka ku andacoonaya Soomaalinimo ayaa na loo laayey, Soomaalinimo maxay na tartay, Soomaalinimo waxaan dhib aheyn ma aynaan ka helin. Ain't this the whole bases of your secession? Yet you say you don't know what Somalinio is? Sxb Oba iyo inta kula fikir ah ka dhaadhici Soomaalinimo inaysan jirin.

^Right because yall share the pure genes of the holy durriya and deserve a country of your own. Unlike the pirates or the looters, yall 'look alike, both in [perfect] mannerism and in verbal expressive sense.' NGONGE;938346 wrote: Ace of Spadez started well but then got distracted by white noise. The question to ask here is what does Somalia gain from these talks? So far, it's only SL that seems to be benefiting (including the muzzling of inflammatory language). SL is winning the battle only to lose the war to Muqdisho.

Oba is being brainwashed these days by the separtists on this board. Someone help the brother out. Waryaa Soomaalinimo is the whole purpose of President Hasaan is meeting the secessionists in Turkey. His message is solely based on Soomaalinimo and you nod your head in agreement with xaaji that Somalinimo is dead, a man whose aim is to kill Soomaalinimo and build up his Qaran based on his clan entity. If there were no Somalinimo, your adeer wouldn't have a good case. Say it ain't dead and you're coming to Muqdisho.

Ngonge: I think she knows but probably playing naive and dump so he thinks she doesn't know it all. Dumar saad mooday ma aha boowe. If three of them know, she's gotta know it and so is everyone. Unless she's the real raaliya Sxb you sure? Cadcadku dhaqankooda waa they live in the same complex. Hooyo iyo gabadheeda iyo wiilkeeda iyo eedadeed iyo adeerkiis live in the same building oo ciyaal iska qab qaba. Caadi ma ah dadkaan. Faro dheer won't do that.

^Waa Soomaali dee.

^I'm sure she suspected or heard about his other wives. Perhaps she doesn't want to admit to know about it or she chooses to remain in denial, not that there's anything wrong with that. I highly doubt if there is a man out there that would be married to four and still refuse to tell his 1st wife about the other three wives.

It's never too late but people are starting to question about Hassan's leadership team.

Funny how the ladies commenting here assume the 'married man' is either 'qaa'in' or 'dating' 'shukaansi' on the back of his wife, or it is not 'halal' or Sunnah', when in fact there is no evidence to suggest so. All in full gear to save the girl from the married man. Have you guys checked with the wife by any chance before condemning him What a bunch of reer magaal.

ONE man here weighs just 77 pounds. Another, 98. Last thing I knew, I weighed 132, but that was a month ago. I’ve been on a hunger strike since Feb. 10 and have lost well over 30 pounds. I will not eat until they restore my dignity. I’ve been detained at Guantánamo for 11 years and three months. I have never been charged with any crime. I have never received a trial. I could have been home years ago — no one seriously thinks I am a threat — but still I am here. Years ago the military said I was a “guard” for Osama bin Laden, but this was nonsense, like something out of the American movies I used to watch. They don’t even seem to believe it anymore. But they don’t seem to care how long I sit here, either. When I was at home in Yemen, in 2000, a childhood friend told me that in Afghanistan I could do better than the $50 a month I earned in a factory, and support my family. I’d never really traveled, and knew nothing about Afghanistan, but I gave it a try. I was wrong to trust him. There was no work. I wanted to leave, but had no money to fly home. After the American invasion in 2001, I fled to Pakistan like everyone else. The Pakistanis arrested me when I asked to see someone from the Yemeni Embassy. I was then sent to Kandahar, and put on the first plane to Gitmo. Last month, on March 15, I was sick in the prison hospital and refused to be fed. A team from the E.R.F. (Extreme Reaction Force), a squad of eight military police officers in riot gear, burst in. They tied my hands and feet to the bed. They forcibly inserted an IV into my hand. I spent 26 hours in this state, tied to the bed. During this time I was not permitted to go to the toilet. They inserted a catheter, which was painful, degrading and unnecessary. I was not even permitted to pray. I will never forget the first time they passed the feeding tube up my nose. I can’t describe how painful it is to be force-fed this way. As it was thrust in, it made me feel like throwing up. I wanted to vomit, but I couldn’t. There was agony in my chest, throat and stomach. I had never experienced such pain before. I would not wish this cruel punishment upon anyone. I am still being force-fed. Two times a day they tie me to a chair in my cell. My arms, legs and head are strapped down. I never know when they will come. Sometimes they come during the night, as late as 11 p.m., when I’m sleeping. There are so many of us on hunger strike now that there aren’t enough qualified medical staff members to carry out the force-feedings; nothing is happening at regular intervals. They are feeding people around the clock just to keep up. During one force-feeding the nurse pushed the tube about 18 inches into my stomach, hurting me more than usual, because she was doing things so hastily. I called the interpreter to ask the doctor if the procedure was being done correctly or not. It was so painful that I begged them to stop feeding me. The nurse refused to stop feeding me. As they were finishing, some of the “food” spilled on my clothes. I asked them to change my clothes, but the guard refused to allow me to hold on to this last shred of my dignity. When they come to force me into the chair, if I refuse to be tied up, they call the E.R.F. team. So I have a choice. Either I can exercise my right to protest my detention, and be beaten up, or I can submit to painful force-feeding. The only reason I am still here is that President Obama refuses to send any detainees back to Yemen. This makes no sense. I am a human being, not a passport, and I deserve to be treated like one. I do not want to die here, but until President Obama and Yemen’s president do something, that is what I risk every day. Where is my government? I will submit to any “security measures” they want in order to go home, even though they are totally unnecessary. I will agree to whatever it takes in order to be free. I am now 35. All I want is to see my family again and to start a family of my own. The situation is desperate now. All of the detainees here are suffering deeply. At least 40 people here are on a hunger strike. People are fainting with exhaustion every day. I have vomited blood. And there is no end in sight to our imprisonment. Denying ourselves food and risking death every day is the choice we have made. I just hope that because of the pain we are suffering, the eyes of the world will once again look to Guantánamo before it is too late. Samir Naji al Hasan Moqbel, a prisoner at Guantánamo Bay since 2002, told this story, through an Arabic interpreter, to his lawyers at the legal charity Reprieve in an unclassified telephone call.

Koley Maaddeey kooxdiisa hadey la'ato Muslim badan baa naf iyo nolol heli lahaa. For that reason, one should celebrate the lives spared.

Inaa lilaahi wa inaa ileyhi raajicuun. AS is reduced to targeting civilians in restaurants and court houses. Somalia needs to build enough muscle to rid these evil terrorists for good.

I have heard many things about reer miyi and promiscuity ain't one of them. I think your friend knows what she wants and how to get it. She isn't trying to fit into a category or a box and conform to the majority of public opinion. Some people go for what they want and care less about what others think of them or if they get liked or accepted. Others care so much about the influence of others that they try to fit it to the pressures of the majority.

Stoic, you are not alone, my youtube browser history is full of two things, muxaadaro arabic lectures and high tech videos and kid cartoons that my little ones watch from time to time. My days of too much internet time is gone. These days it is about academia, research and business. I could be sitting in front of the computer all day and not check email or social networking sites. I tell you too much internet and electronics in our life these days. I did turn off my cell for four days straight about a month ago and walaahi it felt so liberating. It was not fun for family and friends tho. I liked leaving the phone home and not worrying at all. If you gonna try, one downside there is, you get home tired and only to find out you gotta go back because so and so is in the hospital or stuck somewhere.

Che -Guevara;937621 wrote: "Somalia however still owes some $352 million to the Fund" Really? It's called leverage. These guys and their cohorts in UN steal tons of funds every year appropriated to this poor nation. If my memory is right I read or heard somewhere that 57 billion dollars were spent in Somalia since the civil war. I highly doubt if 3% of that amount ever made it to the country.

Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar;937627 wrote: "Dhulkaan dhul Banaadir waaye. Dhul banaan ma'aha. Anaga dad ma dhacno, dadna ma xoogno. Ilaaheynaa ka cabsaneynaa, aadan kama cabsano. Haddii dhulkeena noola yimid, haddana waxaa dhiman in gurigeena nagala baxsado." Run weyn ayuu sheegay odeygaas. Saan si ma'aha walaahi. This is really sad. Dad Ab ka ab xamar daganaa baa maanta dhulkooda la boobaa. Haven't we done enough damage to this community? Warlord walba soo mara ama sii mara siduu u dhacaayey this community for the past 20 years ayaa maanta dhulkooda la dhacaa? Ma Falestiin baa la joogaa? The message is loud and clear; Mr. President, your help is urgently needed here. Where is Oba and Cafaraat when you need them?

^High waaye qofta. Aduun xaalkaa ba'. Dad waa kii hore.

^The cheapest land for you in the country right now is the city/xaafad/tuulo where your clan hails from. You could get faily a good price or free if you get the connection. In other words, you ain't gonna get that price in Hobyo if you ain't from there. Clan is everything in this market. Thats the hard truth.

Adigu dab uunbaad hurin ninyahoow.

Was that expression a bit confusing? It means you are bragging about the muscle of one foreign army over another? Where is your own muscle saaxiib I hate it to break it to you. Sierra Lione ain't gonna do your dirty clannish war.