Human Rights and Ahmadiyah ban The ongoing campaign to ban the Ahmadiyah Muslim community underscores the challenges facing the nation in protecting human rights, forging a secular identity and strengthening the spirit of democracy and rule of law. The political campaign obviously seeks to discredit the teachings of the Ahmadiyah community and to call attention to the "danger" faced from this intrinsically peaceful sect of Islam. It is worth recalling that freedom of belief is a fundamental human right, guaranteed by the Constitution, and no citizen can be denied this right on the grounds of his or her beliefs. Any thinking citizen would agree that as a religious order, the Ahmadiyah has every right to preach and propagate all of its doctrines and beliefs, irrespective of the fact that it may or may not conform to the beliefs and practices of the other denominations in Islam. Instead of displaying sectarian intolerance and moral bankruptcy, the orthodox leadership would do well to engage the Ahmadiyah Muslims in a theological, civilized, intellectual debate and thereby show a modicum of respect for the faith, intellect and convictions of ordinary Muslim citizens and others. The sectarian politics of religious mobilization and its current manifestations will have divisive implications for the country's plural future. Clearly, banning the movement to prevent its spiritual appeal or declaring it a non-Muslim minority to stop its growth is not the business of a secular government. Leaders of the country and conscientious citizens would do well to reflect over the politically disastrous and socially divisive legacy of Pakistan's experiment with the criminalization of the Ahmadiyah sect. Social scientists and political analysts have, in recent times, traced the growth of Muslim extremism and cultural intolerance in Pakistan to the divisive politics of anti-Ahmadiyah rhetoric. What is at stake is the very notion of human rights and rule of law in a secular democracy. Extremists and right-wing Muslim orthodoxy should not be allowed to dictate the future of Indonesian identity. Perhaps, even more importantly, what is at stake for practicing Muslims is the very meaning of being a Muslim in our times. After all, the Holy Koran explicitly states: "Let there be no compulsion in matters of faith." Islam's plural character and legacy of religious tolerance needs to be defended, ironically enough, against an "orthodoxy" that claims to represent it! FAZIL JAMAL Yale, U.S. Jakarta Post

Bravo. You've been vindicated.

What's the point of looking at the hair? A need for him to know the length or color or maybe jileec ama jareer? Bidaar or ciro? Can he not just get the details from her? Is there a trust issues that he needs to see with his own eyes? The face is the most qurux area in a person. Believe me qofkii foolka hore ku qanci waaya, no mount of hair is gonna do any convincing work.

Giraangir & wadhaf Gaalkacyo maa looga yaqaan? Waxaa ii gooysay shukaanta bahasha yacni siliga uu ku wado. Magaceeda muxuu ahaa? Cunuga rageedi waaye. Wuuba iska laafyoonaa. Anaga waan bitin jirtay.

This individual is indeed sick, very sick. But only seven years sicker than our own sickos who locked up Somali populace for seventeen long years.

^Yeah it's South of Dhambaos.

^How do you say that in laxology?

^ I like when I touch a never of dabodhilif apologist. Read again. I said it's the argument that sounded like lax. I never said you were any better than your argument though as it apparently shows in your last reply. If that makes you happy.

Last time I engaged you your argument resembled that of Lax nugaaleed. I don't know if you've grown up since then but I noticed Geedi and many others in Amxaaro camp have gotten off of Amxaaro tanks as time went on. R u still riding it? EDIT: Tolka: I thought you asked this on the other thread and I gave you one. Did you not read my reply on that thread?

Don't worry JB. You'll know when I'm up. Until then, I'm continue to shade light at the flaws of the apologists of the better-bado-dhilifs up north and the better-killer down south.

War ninku waa qolamaa

JB: Goormaad ku biirtay duulka towba accountant isu doortay? I thought you were a lander liberal not a keyboard warrior.

The report surprisingly reveals an open secret; how the world powers work. The interest of the major players takes precedence over others. Just like he author assembled out, when the lives of their citizens got targeted and threaten, they did what's expected of them. Dial emergency 911 call. The firefighter was dispatched to wash the car, not to put out the fire. Somalia needs someone to place a similar emergency call to its internal players. We are not in short of phones. We've plenty of working phones and we seem to be dialing a lot. Either the calls don't get completed or somehow the caller is not dialing the wrong number. Somalis are the only ones who can possibly make that call a success. Do we have what it takes to get the savagery out once and for all? I don't blame them. They know what's in it for them in this UN resolution. Do we?

^What an enlightenment contribution to the civilization in the horn.

^I guess you need an apology for that too. Waad ku duqoobi as they say it in the neck of my wood. Look. You don't hold others to a higher standard than yourself. It's one step away from hypocracy. Unlike some, I take for what people write, not for what's in their hearts. You reduced her flag dress for the [promotion of] warlord. I don't call that an attack. I call it a judgmental remark which I pointed out in my earlier reply.

^Nicely put Miskiin. I don't know why some of us so judgmental about people attending events. Stop asking people to apologize for everything they do that you don't seem to approve of. Saado maybe an iconic artist but she is also like any other Somali who has the rights to attend whatever event deemed appropriate or useful for personal reasons or for wadanka. Don't tell me none of ever attended or invited to somewhat a 'controversial' gathering others may categorize as clannish meeting.

^Geelka: Link it here please. Nicely done Bartamaha. I've heard Hussein Tanzania many times. It was good to finally watch him. Kudos for great documentary. Any books by Hussein TZ? Anyone knows where he lives now and his take on tragic death of Soomaaliweyn and the country's nearly quarter century old internal conflict?

^ I saw clips of the speech and he seemed funny too when tried to educate his opponents. "Arabic is a language. Not religion." Stop scaring people as he chanted "Barack Hussein Obama" sixteen times. There are Arab speaking Christians. I think it was a good move by odaga to clear his name and air his side of the story before the general election. It may not have been the best timing but I think it would help Obama come November now that the public has two Rev. Wrights, a YouTube hateful paster, and now a former marine and an iconic symbol in the NAACP & the African American religious leader.

^With enough repetitions, the geel-jire familytree can bank on it.

Originally posted by Toure : Jimcaale if every time a relative of mine died in this war I huffed puffed and changed sides I would be the new Ayan Hirsi by now I get you're not advocating for these armed youth as the sacred angels of the south but I don't get that atheist jab and where I've changed pleges or sides. I don't think death is as much negative reaction to us as it might be for others. Somalis of all walks of life have at least lost one or two family members or relatives in the seventeen year old civil war. However, there's a problem when you have got drugged up militia running around with machine guns deciding whose ajal have expired or about to expire. That's the demise of human life and Islanimo.

^Do the planet resources a favor and limit your qubees to just shan mirir. It's scary to be informative.

^ You're free to make any interpretation. I don't have seef gal la' next to my keyboard.

^Do you have an answer of Ethiopian occupation other than condemning those resist them? Everyone seems to have one but I think mine has nothing to do with maniac youth soldiers with suicide bomb vests.

^Only ******* will resort to such language. So the ten shuyuukh in Hargeysa prison have gone to that same 'rule of court' so did the teenage girl raped by SL reps. Why in the world do you even pretent to care about ONLF individuals when you're in bed with the same folks torturing them? BTW, I'm still waiting for the 'Garoowe Liberated' post. [ April 27, 2008, 10:36 PM: Message edited by: Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar ]

^Your ignorance is beyond description. You're putting Ulul-azm prophets and their noble companions in times of waxy and peak of kheyr-est century into that of Indhacade & Al-mansuur. Little knowledge can be just as much dangerous as the armed youth. You can't be serious with such argument and analogy. What's next? Al-Mansuur lied so did prophet Ibrahim? Suxbaana man la yamuut. Now that you're using this wrong line of reasoning and argument, I should stop before you go further and put Somalis in the context and column of 'kufaaru-quresh' and the Shabaab the 'sahaba-like' companions. Pathetic.