I believe that this topic has aroused a bigger aproar with such a magnitude that it confirms the hate and rivilvary within the somali community in Minnesota. not long was that issue of mayoral election. Somalis infact are insignificant minority in the twin cities to influence the election outcome, yet have taken to ashame themselves by dividing into clan A vs Clan B in campaigning for the two mayoral seat contestant respectively. each group called itself the rightfull somali mouth pieace with one actually boasting of numbers .After the election results the statistics showed that, the somalis even if would have voted as a bloke, would not have affected the outcome. Now that a can of worms have been opened against one considered a legendary figure within the community. Immediately the clanistic psychophants wasted no time to jump into conlussion, politicizing the issue in the intention of collecting money from the unsuspecting kin members of the alleged defendant.They initialized an open propaganda slogan that the whole issue was big conspiracy by members of isq community.As of now it is well established that the victim is not of the accused clan neither have anything to do with them. now the question is why jump into conclussions? and even if there was such a thing why imlplicate the whole community as if they all were aware of the consipiracy?. I think this notion of generalization is one concept used by those evil advocates calling themselves justice advocates. whenever they want to draw ppls and press attention they change individual matters into a clan politics.About the case its true that the matter be left to the authorities and the parties involved.anybody can give their opinion here but i think that its irational to implicate a whole group of people who even dont know each other as conspirators, unless one is suffering from that archaic clanistic paranoia.Personally i heard that the police were involved in the recorded phone conversation between the alleged victim and the defendant which actually makes the evident quite clear but still we need to wait for the verdict. Sometimes It Falls Upon a Generation To be Great. You Can be That Generation. Nelson Mandela

People, hold on a minute. This is not about clan, or a famous artist, or his last comment about the North. It is about an immoral act which is against everything as a people we stand for. Lets not try to defend this man, who has not even bothered defending himself. No excuses.. well said general. I believe that its high time that ppl should outgrow this blind loyalty and uphold the rights of those opressed and abused . i believe that this is not an isolated case alot of such cases are happening within many families but are being covered up. not to mention back in somalia where there is no rule of law.Whats wrong with you guys how can you denie this. just imagine an old man of 70yrs chatting over the phone with a 20yr old girl talking about sex then calling it a joke. Ma waxaas aa abwaan laguyiqiin?.comoon guys how are we going to be perceaved as a community when we just come out in big numbers showing support to this guy. why are we not seeing demonstration aginst the injusticess being subjected to the minority clans back home where their daughters are being raped while their land and properties are plundered.pls lets stop all this hyprocrisy here and let the law takes its cause i believe the system in USA is competent enough to sort this out. Sometimes it falls upon a Generation to be Great You can be that Generation BY Nelson Mandela

I used to hear somethings like FIEFDOMS, KINGDOMS < SHEIKHDOMS. So on so forth. But in the case of ex-somalia waxaa ka dilaacay "LANDDOMS!!! markaa i believe somaliland is the mother of all. long before somalia. waanay soconaysaa wixii diidana daadkaa qaadi period.

I used to hear somethings like FIEFDOMS, KINGDOMS < SHEIKHDOMS. So on so forth. But in the case of ex-somalia waxaa ka dilaacay "LANDDOMS!!! markaa i believe somaliland is the mother of all. long before somalia. waanay soconaysaa wixii diidana daadkaa qaadi period.

thanx for the correction brother yeniceri. yeiynaan-iseedin dee it was just a typo error. to mr castro i believe its this Hargeysa HOLOCAUST that brought about the idea HALAGOOSTO or was it in the initial SNM objective?

tanx for the correction brother yeniceri. yeiynaan-iseedin dee it was just a typo error. to mr castro i believe its this hargeysa HOLOCAUST that brought about the idea HALAGOOSTO or was it in the initial SNM objective?

[if someone denied the civil war in Somalia, I'd be real pissed. for sure me too if someone denie the hargeysa holacaust i'd be real pissed.

Washington prepares the partition of Sudan In the name of the democracy, the United States of America continues their offensive of parcelling out of the Arab World, with a luxury of archi-false argumentation. The partition of Iraq in three distinct States is already thing made on paper, and awaits only the end of the hostilities to shape. Syria, already dismembered by the Agreement (Siks-Barb, at last century, is threatened to know a new disaster. Other Arab countries is in the field of test card of the US policy But, it is especially in Sudan that the policy of parcelling out is activated more, currently. At the time when all the glances are directed on the military developments in Iraq, the USA profit from it by leading a deep action with character "secessionist" to the country from Omar Al-Béchir. This action consists in "involving" the persons in charge Southerners, heirs to John Garang, "to direct a State independent" in a sovereign way. Two significant institutions -- the republican and democratic international Institute -- were charged to carry out this task. They are chapeautées both by their reciprocal parties. Like what, in foreign politics, the "Ane "and"Eléphant it "marry perfectly the same policy. An isometric and superposable line in all points. An inescapable separation The republican Institute international, which held several "congresses" on the political situation, social and economic in South-Sudan, affirms that 65% of the Sudaneses are "Africans" and that the "Arabs" constitute only 35% of the population. Completely whimsical figures, since they are supported by no census. Questioned at the end of a "referendum" organized by the same institute, the majority of the population Southerner are categorical: "We will vote, in five years, with the separation of the South". Moreover, at the time of its visit these last days in Washington, Sylvan Kir Myardett, new "the zaïm" of South-Sudan, which replaces John Garang, was received as a true head of State of a country independent and not as a vice-president of all Sudan, function which is currently allotted to him. Sign times: Myardett, which was received by the largest US leaders, affirmed during this visit, according to sources' worthy of faith: "Omar Al-Bechir (president of Sudan) is now convinced that the south prepares the scission". T.H with this article plus the recent assertions by the transitional federal gvmt. I believe that the world is just waiting for the end of hostilities in the south before somaliland gets full recognition.

i cant say total fiction neither total facts but a clear mixture let me call it this way iskudhex karis taarikheed.

what would you call this a sign of givng in or what? Omar Jamal: U.S. outdoes Europe at helping Muslims into the mainstream Yet despite constitutional rights, in our post-9/11 America many Muslim immigrants feel less protected. The recent deaths of two teenagers in a Paris suburb, and the subsequent string of riots and carnage, sparked debates about whether similar riots could happen in the United States. Most of the people involved in the riots were of Muslim background, and therefore everyone had doubts about the real cause of the unrest. Almost 6 million French Muslims and Arabs are concentrated in the Paris suburbs. I am afraid that, considering the current political climate and lack of international political astuteness, it is possible that people with the same ethnicity and religious background would take to the streets in the major cities of both Europe and the United States. But there is a difference between immigrants in the United States and those in Europe. Past riots in the United States and the more recent ones in Europe have virtually the same cause: years of resentment and discrimination. But in the United States, immigrants in general, and Muslim immigrants particularly, are far more integrated than any immigrants in Europe, not to mention France. This crucial difference is deeply rooted in the history and psychologies of the communities on both sides of the Atlantic Ocean. Some people have called the French riots a European intefadeh, and also allege some element of terrorism, although there has not been any shred of evidence for that. The highest numbers of immigrants in France arrived in the 1950s and 1960s. As the economy of France advanced, so did the contemptuous policy and temperament of France toward immigrants. In the United States, however, immigrants have already entered the mainstream of the society, and thus are part of the overall mind-set of the country. The immigrant riots in France, the bombings in London and the religiously motivated assassination of a filmmaker in the Netherlands, coupled with the insufficiency of both social and political programs geared toward immigrant populations, are clear indicators of a European political nightmare. There is no better country in the world than the United States to address issues of diversity within its populace with individual rights encoded in its Constitution. Even so, in the post-9/11 era many Muslims have worried that they lack the same constitutional protections that the rest of the population enjoys. A feeling of detachment, arising from inequitable practice of the law, can lead to despair and distrust of the criminal justice system. The longer this practice continues, the more the community becomes isolated and therefore vulnerable to thoughts of riot and defiance. Source: Star Tribune -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Omar Jamal is executive director of the Somali Justice Advocacy Center in St. Paul.

PRICELESS Originally by xinfaniin . Brothe xiin for your information there was no hagling in place and at least i was not biding for my words.markaa adeer it was a waste of time for you to take us to the stock market. by the way did you tried it at Wall street cause they got a journal too and maybe they might have a synonym for the phrase in its crosswords puzzle section.Anyways bro take it easy cause its obvious that The wise do forgive and forego but fools do forget and fumble when returns the freekick. if you really want to bid for this take it to Hargeysa wall street. But take care and dont confuse it with that famous "F" street i dont know if it still exist. Markaad suuqa kasoo laabatidna dee dilaalka ogoow.

Shalay laga tagye, daba socodkeeda maxay faaiido leedahay? waxaiy lamid tahaiy suaashu eegga maanta la joogo taarikhdu maxay faaido leedahay. hornafrique those are events that took place in that part of the world. And as part of history their use in future is important. Especially in the quest of solving the future problems that may have roots in the past.Otherwise thats like telling daraawish idealists to frorget the past The Wise Do Forgive but Fools Do Forget

you know youare somali when you refer to all whites as "gaal" you know your somali when you spitt carelessly in public. you kow your somali when you are asked for qaraan.

By the way nimekumbuka ile Bar iliyokuwa pale eigth st: Kamuchinde if am not wrong hivi iko open bado. Halafu nimesikia Mateso Bila Chuki Imefungwa Ni Kweli? wallahi ni afadhali hiyo ifungwe ilikuwa ni bahali ya belaa na sheydaani. Take care guys and pleas ni vema pia kujifunza lugha ya asili ama wasemavyo waswhili lugha ya mama au kinyumbani.kumbuka waaria ni waaria tu.

hiyo posting ya mabar ni kali. Lakini nilishangaa sijaona the famous Karumaindo bar and restaurant wapi tena watsee hiyo ingefaa kuorodheshwa. Anyways thanks guys nilikuwa niko kuparactise kama bado naweza kuandika insha.au vipi? keep up the Nyal-guunga jokes

soomaal: bal horta itaanaad Ethiopia iyo cid kaletoona farta kufiiqin, bal horta suaashaa aad halkaa kusooqortey falanqee oo si qota dheeer uga feker oo haddana dib ugulaabo oo Research balaadhan kusoo samee: PAPER DUE IN A MONTH OR EALIER BROTHER SOOMAAAL AND YOU NEED TO POST IT HERE SO THAT WE COLLECTIVELY GRADE IT HERE AS WELL AS LEARN FROM IT.

wallahi Red sea your real patriot. I mean to congartulate you for your swift change of stand . Now Ill like to ask you to swiftly make a move to Jowahar I believe they still have many slotss left unselaed for the ****** waqooyi. To brother soomal: congratulation for your change of That Famous ending quote Bout Riyaale and Ethiopia now I believe Oomaar one would hook up and convince moore somalilanders ________________ Magacaabista qabiilka yareey, baliis. [ November 19, 2005, 07:44: Message edited by: Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar ]

wallahi Brother Red you hurt my ribs and make tears drip down my cheeks you know what? you reminded me of an incident that took place during the early anti-colonialism struggle. There was this guy by the name Ismaciil Telefoon who was a partner to Faarax Oomaar in the struggle against british colnialist.This guy went to Laas Caanod and gave a sermon In the mosque.It happened That he was more comfortable with english than Arabic And was heard saying in english "God Said" repetetively. This made the crowd suspicious about him being a genuine Muslim and was forced to leave the town. Now Mr Red sea you seems to be really mad and upset That you totally misunderstood The content of my posting. Fisrt I never Quoted anything FromThe Qur'an I clearly said That there Is a prophet saying That Allha Can give Nusra To Just Infidel In the place Of a Dhalim Believer. Maybe its among those deemed as weak sayings am not sure. Secondly i never changed the topic but was dismayed by your own statement against Infidels.Remember you was not particular but Generaly Mentioned The word infidels, Forgetting That They are The ones That offered you assylum at your present resident, after those you call your own brothers and sisters indiscrminately showered you with bombs.By the way Who gave you Assylum In 1988? after Hargeysa city was leveled? Did those Brothers and sisters of yours from Qabridahar and Godey came to your rescue? What did those Innocent truck owners did to have their trucks set on fire? How many families some of them orpharns suffered after those trucks were blown. and the trade routes closed? What is realtion between riyale administration and those truck owners? Cmoon brother i repeat again think rationally.this doesnt mean that i have no feeling for those suffering under the totalitarian regime of Ethiopia or have no sense of somalinimo no not at all. Bu Tell me how different is an infidel from a brother who particpated and continue justifying your extermination from the region. A brother who is not happy with your progress leave alone commending your efforts but stands as an obstacle to your progress. calaa iyo xaal I apologise if my comments hurts you but the truth will always be the truth and nothing but the truth.

QUOTE: I have never expected an infidel to treat me with respect and I will never have any expectations that they have something good in stored for me. Mr Red sea brother its better that you give a deeper thought to statements such as this one. As can be seen from your profile you reside peacefully,safely and maybe happily in Mineapolis a city In the United States. Its obvious That you Prefered to be in Minneapolis Rather than Hargeysa and be a guest to an authority Generally regarde an infidel one. Do you want to tell me They dont treat you with respect here? c'moon we need to be rational sometimes and avoid this fallacy of generalization. Remeber there is a saying that Allah (SWT) will give Nusra to a just infidel authority in the place of trasgressing believer. so be carefull brother on this matters. cause they say Nimaan kuuladhaqmin muslinimo Mu'uminimo khaas ah. Gaal aad magansatid oo naxasta kuudhawraa dhaama

I just happened to read the early postings by yoonis and to be honest they were deliberate and clear desparate attempt of defacing the history as well as character asssasination to the ppl of somaliland.Now that Mr yoonis you have volunteered to commemorate for us this Taleex event with pictures and comments Could you please give us some more historical facts including. The names and clans of the prominent Victims during this Raids? 2. Given that you claim to be a true somali Nationalist can you please go ahead and share with us and with equal magnitude and content. The Pains and sufferings Caused to Hargeysa innocent civilians during Siad barres regime? I belive that the taleex raids were aimed at a militarry facility during a war time with foreigners unlike the hargeysa one perpetrated by a somali government indiscrimanately against a particular somali clan which one deserve commemoration or was that an indirect revenge for the taleex one tell us Mr.Yoonis cause you been claiming in your distorted history that the ppl of Hargeysa were in the forefront fighting against darwiish. lastly ill like to end this with the following sayings Dont be throwing stones around while you live in a glass house. Nimaan kuuladhaqmin muslinimo,mu'uminimo khaas'ah, Gaal aad magansatid oo naxasta kuu dhawraa dhaama.

peace to you all once more. With the reply from Mr. TooheJr i still see alot of fault and same deragatory tribal remarks and asumptions used by many in this forum. I believe that this might not be the fault of most but simply the circumstances as history has been narrated to them in a biass context.Imean to say history has been narated to them with biasness cause many are lots that were born in the late seventies or early eigties the knostlanding periods of the kacaan era.This created a handfull of younger generation growing up in diaspora who were being mentored by the pro kacaan or vice versa adults who were the initiators of the whole mess back home. My advice to you my fellow nomads is 1. first you have to know that you are the future revolutianalist left to save the nation from the tribal illness that have turned into an epidermic. 2.You are the once that have to initiate a working formular to save the future generation from adopting what have been soarn by your forefathers. I believe that first we need to accept the reality and look at things from a realistic point of view. Coming back to the points higligted by junior toohe its clear that the the whole project of SSC project was a product of kujiiqsii aginst the seccesation of somaliland. Yeah, maybe you might have had genuine reasons aginst dividing somalia but arguing on such tribal basis while twisting the geographic and statistical demography on the ground is a work of small minds. You just argued typically as would do a fadhi kudirir proffessional. Only this time written on screen in english. anyways Mr. TooheJr you are wrong in your categorical assumption of my clan.Lastly where are the SOL philosophers. Likes of Baashi and tolstoy maybe they might give us deeper insights to this.

First of all peace be upon all. that contributed to this thread.With me ill like to ask and be well informed on the following points 1. what is this big debate about the imaginery or let me say invented abreviations.SSC. cause i believe there exist sool and sanaag. and well buuhodleh goes under togdheer geographically as well as adminstratively. 2.why all the hate politics and war cries against somaliland as if its accupying some foreign lands.its evident that somaliland administration is well established in most areas with exception of laascanood and few villges.its obvious on the ground that the somaliland administration have been accepted and supported by the natives. if that is not true let me know. 3. let me know if those areas are purely resided by clans associated to ******tenia especially sanaag? for which i believe is the major base of argument used by pro-******tenia residing in this areas,who once upona time were die hard somalilanders and turned die hard ******tenia after its inaguration in 1998. after i get fullfilling answears on that, ill have no option but to initiate in this forum with the help of all moderators, the neended xeer of nabadayn between these brotherly ppl, who are being carried away by tribalistic emotions which is an aptitude outgrown in somaliland.

Its really sad to see that tribalism has overcome Islam within the Somalis.Especially in diaspora where need for religious values is the most important tool for sustaining of our identity and existance. In addition to those many mentioned incidence,I heard that there was one that happened in MN at a somali Mall whereby One Clan claimed that the mall belongs to them and the religious activities at the mall(The Mosque Wthin the Mall) should be led by none other than of their own.Eventually the Religious Leader OF Clan X was told to Park and Leave. Ill not be specific which Mall In particular but Its one of the two largest Somali Malls in Minneapolis

wariyaa xoogsade and olol iskajira nikaa haddii kale youll be wanted species around ceder and starbucks areas of minneapolis!! !!!just kiddin .But seriously Omar jamal survives because of the tribalistic nature of somali pepople can you believe such a hypcrate if he calls for some demostration in support of col yeeiy, the streets of ceder will flock with somali mostly elderly ladies and families living in project housing around ceder. i believe as far as this hypocriy goes on the somali predicaments would only get worse. markaa ragyohow maxaa tala ah

waa runtaa alol!! i was there when a fundraising drive for A.samatar was held somewhere in the US. omar jamal was active and showed lots of concern, i thought he was genuine and i donated. i dont know how to state it because i was shocked to find his name in the news as an advocate for the so which hunt he was advocating aginst. real hypocrate and tribalist i presume.