Hello Nomads, I was just wondering where on the internet can I find an english copy of the new somali charter

This Gov't is doomed for failure unless it takes aggressive actions to restructure how the somali gov't will look in years to come. Somalia came to this sorry fate of civil disarray thanks to the backward qabilist thinking that prevails in the minds of a majority of Somalis. Therefore, in order to insure that no one feels disenfranchised from Somalia's neo-civil structure it is essential that ina Yusuf and his administration reform the qabilist based parilement into one that is issue based. What im saying is that i hope to see something along the lines of a labor party, conservative party, Islamic Party, Communist Party, etc. I rue the day that Qabil based parties run our country; because qabilism is a retarded way of thinking and will drive our nation into a nightmarish hell on earth once again.

You know what im just tired of somalia, i used to be a patriot but i got really lonely. All these folks claim to be patriots but resort to vitriol name calling when thier clan is talked about in any way. And all this pride, where does it come from? All these folks on SOL and within our communities in somalia and the diaspora talk of the granduer of this clan, so on and so forth. But the truth of the matter is that somalia is one of the most pitiful sorry little countries on the face of the planet. We dont have *ish, but we talk like we are members of the G8. Besides blinding qabilist hatred, we also suffer from illusions of granduer. so sad when we debate how nice some ID cards from some state are. Dont you see these IDs are just papers or plastic whatever, but at the end of the day Somalia remains the shithole of Africa.

5. (S) That between October and December 2003, at the Abu Ghraib Confinement Facility (BCCF), numerous incidents of sadistic, blatant, and wanton criminal abuses were inflicted on several detainees. This systemic and illegal abuse of detainees was intentionally perpetrated by several members of the military police guard force (372nd Military Police Company, 320thMilitary Police Battalion, 800th MP Brigade), in Tier (section) 1-A of the Abu Ghraib Prison (BCCF). The allegations of abuse were substantiated by detailed witness statements (ANNEX 26) and the discovery of extremely graphic photographic evidence. Due to the extremely sensitive nature of these photographs and videos, the ongoing CID investigation, and the potential for the criminal prosecution of several suspects, the photographic evidence is not included in the body of my investigation. The pictures and videos are available from the Criminal Investigative Command and the CTJF-7 prosecution team. In addition to the aforementioned crimes, there were also abuses committed by members of the 325th MI Battalion, 205th MI Brigade, and Joint Interrogation and Debriefing Center (JIDC). Specifically, on 24 November 2003, SPC Luciana Spencer, 205th MI Brigade, sought to degrade a detainee by having him strip and returned to cell naked. (ANNEXES 26 and 53) 6. (S) I find that the intentional abuse of detainees by military police personnel included the following acts: a. (S) Punching, slapping, and kicking detainees; jumping on their naked feet; b. (S) Videotaping and photographing naked male and female detainees; c. (S) Forcibly arranging detainees in various sexually explicit positions for photographing; d. (S) Forcing detainees to remove their clothing and keeping them naked for several days at a time; e. (S) Forcing naked male detainees to wear women’s underwear; f. (S) Forcing groups of male detainees to masturbate themselves while being photographed and videotaped; g. (S) Arranging naked male detainees in a pile and then jumping on them; h. (S) Positioning a naked detainee on a MRE Box, with a sandbag on his head, and attaching wires to his fingers, toes, and penis to simulate electric torture; i. (S) Writing “I am a Rapest” (sic) on the leg of a detainee alleged to have forcibly raped a 15-year old fellow detainee, and then photographing him naked; j. (S) Placing a dog chain or strap around a naked detainee’s neck and having a female Soldier pose for a picture; k. (S) A male MP guard having sex with a female detainee; l. (S) Using military working dogs (without muzzles) to intimidate and frighten detainees, and in at least one case biting and severely injuring a detainee; m. (S) Taking photographs of dead Iraqi detainees. (ANNEXES 25 and 26) 7.(U) These findings are amply supported by written confessions provided by several of the suspects, written statements provided by detainees, and witness statements. In reaching my findings, I have carefully considered the pre-existing statements of the following witnesses and suspects (ANNEX 26): a. (U) SPC Jeremy Sivits, 372nd MP Company - Suspect b. (U) SPC Sabrina Harman, 372nd MP Company – Suspect c. (U) SGT Javal S. Davis, 372nd MP Company - Suspect c. (U) PFC Lynndie R. England, 372nd MP Company - Suspect d. (U) Adel Nakhla, Civilian Translator, Titan Corp., Assigned to the 205th MI Brigade- Suspect (Names deleted) 8. (U) In addition, several detainees also described the following acts of abuse, which under the circumstances, I find credible based on the clarity of their statements and supporting evidence provided by other witnesses (ANNEX 26): a. (U) Breaking chemical lights and pouring the phosphoric liquid on detainees; b. (U) Threatening detainees with a charged 9mm pistol; c. (U) Pouring cold water on naked detainees; d. (U) Beating detainees with a broom handle and a chair; e. (U) Threatening male detainees with rape; f. (U) Allowing a military police guard to stitch the wound of a detainee who was injured after being slammed against the wall in his cell; g. (U) Sodomizing a detainee with a chemical light and perhaps a broom stick. h. (U) Using military working dogs to frighten and intimidate detainees with threats of attack, and in one instance actually biting a detainee. 9. (U) I have carefully considered the statements provided by the following detainees, which under the circumstances I find credible based on the clarity of their statements and supporting evidence provided by other witnesses: a. (U) Amjed Isail Waleed, Detainee # 151365 b. (U) Hiadar Saber Abed Miktub-Aboodi, Detainee # 13077 c. (U) Huessin Mohssein Al-Zayiadi, Detainee # 19446 d. (U) Kasim Mehaddi Hilas, Detainee # 151108 e. (U) Mohanded Juma Juma (sic), Detainee # 152307 f. (U) Mustafa Jassim Mustafa, Detainee # 150542 g. (U) Shalan Said Alsharoni, Detainee, # 150422 h. (U) Abd Alwhab Youss, Detainee # 150425 i. (U) Asad Hamza Hanfosh, Detainee # 152529 j. (U) Nori Samir Gunbar Al-Yasseri, Detainee # 7787 k. (U) Thaar Salman Dawod, Detainee # 150427 l. (U) Ameen Sa’eed Al-Sheikh, Detainee # 151362 m. (U) Abdou Hussain Saad Faleh, Detainee # 18470 (ANNEX 26) 10. (U) I find that contrary to the provision of AR 190-8, and the findings found in MG Ryder’s Report, Military Intelligence (MI) interrogators and Other US Government Agency’s (OGA) interrogators actively requested that MP guards set physical and mental conditions for favorable interrogation of witnesses. Contrary to the findings of MG Ryder’s Report, I find that personnel assigned to the 372ndMP Company, 800th MP Brigade were directed to change facility procedures to “set the conditions” for MI interrogations. I find no direct evidence that MP personnel actually participated in those MI interrogations. (ANNEXES 19, 21, 25, and 26). 11. (U) I reach this finding based on the actual proven abuse that I find was inflicted on detainees and by the following witness statements. (ANNEXES 25 and 26): a. (U) SPC Sabrina Harman, 372nd MP Company, stated in her sworn statement regarding the incident where a detainee was placed on a box with wires attached to his fingers, toes, and penis, “that her job was to keep detainees awake.” She stated that MI was talking to CPL Grainer. She stated: “MI wanted to get them to talk. It is Grainer and Frederick’s job to do things for MI and OGA to get these people to talk.” b. (U) SGT Javal S. Davis, 372nd MP Company, stated in his sworn statement as follows: “I witnessed prisoners in the MI hold section, wing 1A being made to do various things that I would question morally. In Wing 1A we were told that they had different rules and different SOP for treatment. I never saw a set of rules or SOP for that section just word of mouth. The Soldier in charge of 1A was Corporal Granier. He stated that the Agents and MI Soldiers would ask him to do things, but nothing was ever in writing he would complain (sic).” When asked why the rules in 1A/1B were different than the rest of the wings, SGT Davis stated: “The rest of the wings are regular prisoners and 1A/B are Military Intelligence (MI) holds.” When asked why he did not inform his chain of command about this abuse, SGT Davis stated: “ Because I assumed that if they were doing things out of the ordinary or outside the guidelines, someone would have said something. Also the wing belongs to MI and it appeared MI personnel approved of the abuse.” SGT Davis also stated that he had heard MI insinuate to the guards to abuse the inmates. When asked what MI said he stated: “Loosen this guy up for us.” Make sure he has abad night.” “Make sure he gets the treatment.” He claimed these comments were made to CPL Granier and SSG Frederick. Finally, SGT Davis stated that (sic): “the MI staffs to my understanding have been giving Granier compliments on the way he has been handling the MI holds. Example being statements like, “Good job, they’re breaking down real fast. They answer every question. They’re giving out good information, Finally, and Keep up the good work . Stuff like that.” c. (U) SPC Jason Kennel, 372nd MP Company, was asked if he were present when any detainees were abused. He stated: “I saw them nude, but MI would tell us to take away their mattresses, sheets, and clothes.” He could not recall who in MI had instructed him to do this, but commented that, “if they wanted me to do that they needed to give me paperwork.” He was later informed that “we could not do anything to embarrass the prisoners.” d. (U) Mr. Adel L. Nakhla, a US civilian contract translator was questioned about several detainees accused of rape. He observed (sic): “They (detainees) were all naked, a bunch of people from MI, the MP were there that night and the inmates were ordered by SGT Granier and SGT Frederick ordered the guys while questioning them to admit what they did. They made them do strange exercises by sliding on their stomach, jump up and down, throw water on them and made them some wet, called them all kinds of names such as “gays” do they like to make love to guys, then they handcuffed their hands together and their legs with shackles and started to stack them on top of each other by insuring that the bottom guys penis will touch the guy on tops butt.” e. (U) SPC Neil A Wallin, 109th Area Support Medical Battalion, a medic testified that: “Cell 1A was used to house high priority detainees and cell 1B was used to house the high risk or trouble making detainees. During my tour at the prison I observed that when the male detainees were first brought to the facility, some of them were made to wear female underwear, which I think was to somehow break them down.” 12. (U) I find that prior to its deployment to Iraq for Operation Iraqi Freedom, the 320th MP Battalion and the 372nd MP Company had received no training in detention/internee operations. I also find that very little instruction or training was provided to MP personnel on the applicable rules of the Geneva Convention Relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War, FM 27-10, AR 190-8, or FM 3-19.40. Moreover, I find that few, if any, copies of the Geneva Conventions were ever made available to MP personnel or detainees. (ANNEXES 21-24, 33, and multiple witness statements)

While I do not support the US invasion of Iraq and the subseguent abuse of the poor Iraqi people, i would like to make a few comments. I think that the latter pics of the rape are not real pics. First the uniforms worn by the Americans are inconsistent with the actual uniforms. Furthermore, the boots that the soliders are wearing do not match each other. The US military wears sand colored boots. We would also see these pics splashed all over Al-Jazeera, if they were real. With that said, Im sure that Iraqi women have been raped by the coalition. I just dont think these pics are real, rather they are your run of the mill pornographic pics, thus they must be removed by the administrators... links and all.

You all are crazy. No Matter what you say! No Matter What you DO! YOU ALL ARE STILL GONNA BE BLACK AFRICANS IN THE EYES OF THE WORLD! Let me tell yall som'in IAM proud to be black, IAM proud to be AFRICAN. ANYONE who disagrees with my analysis could go sodomize themselves. PEACE "Some say the BLACKER the skin the SWEETER the juice" 2Pac

Its just a building, get over it. Our country is in dire shambles and all you could talk about how good this or that hotel looks. My, my how materialistic we have become! SOMALI PATRIOTS..************ the Qabils and Qabilists!!! [ January 16, 2004, 12:13 PM: Message edited by: Admin ]

Fcuk Tribalisim!!!

Im a proud Somali man. Mr. Nur what you said is soooo true, the man should help out at home (no excuses)!!!

What do I say about the Idea of banning condoms?? I say this is cockeyed,INSIPED idea. My fellow Muslims open up your minds and practice Ijtihad and stop following so-called Ulema blindly. The issue of HIV/AIDS and Condoms and STDs is not disscussed in the Hadeeth and Koran, therefore we must practice Ijtihad( which is personal interpertation on issues not covered by the paramount texts of Islam)

Lakkad the Kingdom you talk about if it isn't the Kingdom of God--Allah, there is no other real muslim state. If your talking about those crazy Saudi Arabians, then their Kingdom is as far from Islam as any!! I would like to go into this, but that would start a whole 'nother argument. Furthermore, I find killing a person for leaving the true, pure religion that is Islam repulsive. How are we supposed to win reverts (i say reverts for every human child is born a muslim) when we go willy nilly and stone every former Muslims. the way i look at it those who convert from Islam will get thier judgement from Allah on the day of Judgement!!

The story appeared on the New York Post, a few fact about the NY Post 1) It is a sensationalistic Tabliod 2) It is owned by Rupert Murdoch, he also owns Fox News Channel "NUFF SAID

I've got a question for all the Somaliland supporters. Why is it that you do not accept the Riyaale guy, after all he was the head of the NSS in Berbera. So in keeping with the track record of Somalilanders speaking out against Siyad's old henchmen who took part in crimes I expect all the proud Somalilanders to denounce thier new President, otherwise you loose the moral high ground you have with me. The National Security Service (NSS) was the intelligence arm of the Siyad Barre regime!!!!

I dont care what you say but the taliban were a dispicable bunch of uneducated (in Islam or otherwise)punks. How dare you say that it is alright to enforce the burqa on a person. Im not against the burqa, but i dont think gov't has the right to sanction religion. That type of gov't died with the last Caliph, Ali ( the last of the rightly guided leaders). Nowhere in the Quran does it say the burqa type of attire is required. FYI I knew about the terrible acts of the Taliban way b4 9/11. The Iranians were about to give those bancies a real whopping back in 1997 but it never materialised. Furthermore only 3 muslim countries recognized them b4 the war, that is only 3 out of 57 Muslim majority countries. The reason for that is because they knew that Mullah Omar and his peeps were crazy, and that was while the US gov't was cool with the Taliban and sending them 147 Million dollars in aid.

Dear Waaq while I agree with you on many of your points, nontheless i beg to differ on your last statement. No one can claim to be a Somali and yet support thier family (i think you meant qabil). Qabilism teaches Somalis to be NAZIS and Fascists, and a true patriotic Somali could never have a fascist view on world and national affairs. In a sense they (the qabilists)would be a pathetic living oxymoron unworthy of being exalted and called Somali.

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Look here Samuri and Sophist, PLEASE for gods sake stop using those big words. Yall sound very smart, dont get me wrong @ the same time half the ppl on here dont understand what the heck you say half the time

Ive got some advice for you Jalle. Don't embarass yourself by commenting on politics EVER again, for you have shown you do not know *ish when it come to politics. I feel soooo sad for u.

I wanna go in and lob the heads of these warlords, they have killed too many somalis. Really this qabilist shit has gotten acting like the Germans under the Nazis. So in a sense we are all like little Nazis or psuedo-fascists willing to be blind to the qablist crap that our own co-clan members do. I dare anyone on Somalionline to come out and denounce theyre own qabil. Let me start, {my people are from the so-called ****** qabil, and let me say that I do not support my qabil which is hatefull of other somalis but i support Somalia.} in my eyes the only TRUE patriots are those willing to support Somalia against theyre so-called qabil. All the rest the fudge the line by supporting your qabil, no matter how much... all of you are NAZIS

I think his purpose is that he will inspire all sorts of Somalis and thereby provide Solidarity between Somalis of all qabils. I think he hopes to provide a medium in which all Somalis can unite and for once not bicker about asinine qabilist thinking. I say to him in the style of a true Los Angeles resident. (Big Ups Dogg!!) and good luck. PEACE IN SOMALI, BY ALL MEANS

Thank you to all those that have replied to my question. I will certianly take it into consideration as part of my risk assesment of operating in Somaliland. Furthermore I urge any Somalis who have recieved higher education to take into consideration of going back to the motherland, even if it is not a region where your so-called "Qabil" is not from. Somalis, whether they are in Somaliland or Southern Somali or Ogadenia or Northern Kenya, regardless need their childern in the diaspora to come back to help it rebuild; and take it away from god forsaken "Qabilism" that has killed its childern and raped its women.

I just finished my post graduate work in International Business at the University of California Los Angeles. My hope is to open a financial institution (Bank)in the north of Somalia AKA Somaliland along with a African American friend of mine who go his MBA from the famed Yale University. But there is one problem, some of my family members held high positions in the last Somali wide regime. The same regime that battered the people of Somaliland. Mind you at the time of this war I was only 9 or 8 years old. Thus the question I pose is can i live and work in peace in Somaliland, and find acceptance amongst the people.

Jamal -11 are you utterly stupid or were you mistaken when you provided the links to racist websites. Somalis wake up these are the same poeple who wanted to kick us out of Lewiston Maine. Admin. please restrict the posting of pro white-superimists links and articles. I never thought I'd be saying this on a SOMALI website

That SOB David Duke should be put down for he is nothing but a racist piece of turd. Just because we are against the killing of Muslims, we should NEVER alley ourselves with those who would lynch us. "Negros are not equal to whites, therefore should not have the same rights as Pure Americans, White Americans... so forget about the rights of these dirty aliens (brown and black immigrants) who are invading our nation" David Duke 1980