It should be banned completely from the Somalia.

Gediid, Ciid Wanaagsan BRO. The Aschroft replacement is said to be Liberal but he doesn't seem to be a typical one considering his involvement with the Patriot Act. He engineered some or much of the legal manouvers the Bush Adminstration took to sidestepp the International laws in regards to Prisoners and their treatment. Priot to 9/11 he worked for Bush also in Texas. I watched an Interview of his the other day taped in 2001/03/x on C-SPAN. They replayed the entire interview. You can trust no one when it comes to those who make decisions in the upper echelons of power in Western countries anyway. Some of them are Okey but most are readily biased anyway. Even those who try to be fair in Congress are afraid to come across as too nice towards the usual suspects It is just some of these people are more nicer than others. The Average American who is not associated with any right-wing group seems to be civilized and unbiased to a good extent. Take Care Saxib.

7 of 9, Befitting or not, it is not extreme nowadays for a woman to do exactly that kneeling down(not in practical terms but oral terms) and be the first to ask to be married. Nothing wrong with that although it is a guy thing culturally. Ciid wanagsan dhammaan in Advance.

Seven of Nine, What is your take on the subject? Pulling out the topic from oblivion is different from letting your opinion known Jerks or No Jerks? What do you say? Ciid wanaagsan in Advance to all of you.

And to top it off, have you noticed the contradiction between "Off-Topic" caption and the definition underneath it that says "Only for general topics"? My sensible mind says it is "Off-Mark" and nincompoopish a little lol.

How nice of these guys!! Their sincerity will surely let others know that Americans are not all bigotted. Btw, Republicans are religious extremists who would convert your kids, expell you from their country, invade islamic countries one by one, consider you infidels who are legally subjects of conversion. If they really had an unchecked power and access to America's arsenal, We would see a more bloodier crusade than the one going on under the guise of regime changes and democtratic reforms in the middle east. America is what it is today because of Republican ideologues who got the chance with Bush coming to power. How could these hateful rednecks be better in morality astounds me. Who is better for a muslim if you compare between the Evangelical extremist bigot who believes every muslim should be killed or converted than a liberal ignorant who never heard about islam(or have little clue of what it is) and who believes in peaceful co-existence? Republicans are racist fascists, holier than thou malfeasants who worship America and don't want anyone else to live or have a dignity. And the only minority people who support them are blinded by their superstitious beliefs through church dogma and a misplaced love for Jesus.

"General" sounds great because "Off-topic" topics can be categorized as "general" anyway.

Originally posted 7 of 9: Traditional? Gimme a break here! A wedding comes once in a lifetime and sometimes it doesnt come so dont gimme that BS about spending less $$$. Traditional/classic/hip/etc...its gonna be BIG, BEAUTIFUL & worth every penny... So my wedding is gonna be EXPENSIVE and CLASSY...a white wedding with 500 guests is what i dream of I dont care what ya guys say about gaalo weddings Now if u'll excuse me...I gotta plan 4 my upcoming wedding! Seven of Nine, Adiga camalaa ugu fiican. You come across as the kind of a woman who pays for her wedding expenses or at least contributes big time(good for you). Pretend all you want but that is how I read your character. Besides, since men and women are equal, equal sharing of expenses(apart from the Dowry) should be introduced don't you think( as a punishment for the modern woman)? In this modern day, I think we should revolutionize the thinking and get rid of the archaic injustices meted on ONLY men when it comes to wedding expenses. Some girls are excempt(those who are financially challenged) with them foregoing any ambitious plans for a wedding. They can have their buraanbur if they want, xalwo and dinner bought from Xamdi restaurant. And One thing is for sure, a girl who is eager to marry someone of her own choosing will be very helpfull(oh boy, and you fit the profile big time). The question which should be asked to those who are unreasonably extragavant is, Doesn't the house being built belong equally to the man and to the woman agreeing on the Union? Why Some Somali Women mostly behave as if it is ONLY in the interest of the man to wed amazes me Anyway, Seven, You are gonna pay for the wedding in the event you become interested in Xoogsade FOR SURE. Haddaba waan kuu sii sheegey, better start saving lool.

Rudy, There could be lack of many somali guys to wed every Xaliimo in your area. I don't know bro! This is natural for a community who finds itself in a larger society where the pool of marriageable men and women among their ethnic group can shrink and some of the sexes are left with little option though I doubt that is the case. If some of them find others attractive and islam is not an issue for them(the man or the woman is a muslim already), then there is nothing wrong with it. Problem arises only when the attraction is based on some common grounds that have nothing to do with values but Living on the wild side, partying and meeting others(those other nonmulsim ethnic men) in that way. Some women in our area marry black Muslims because they are divorced with kids. I only know two Somali guys who married recently a single mother with a daughter/kids, but there isn't that many I suppose who would marry such women. May be a guy ay jiq ku tahay oo single motherka is leh iska biidheyso I would doubt any Somali man's intension who marries a woman with Kids. We don't have that many men who would do that. I haven't seen many at least but others might have with the exception of my brother in law who married my sister after she was divorced with six kids. I was flubbergusted and wondered whether the guy was serious or not. But after I talked to him, He sounded genuine and a good guy. that is why I told my sis to hold on to him and i will pay the bills if I have to loool.

Rudy, Whatever floats their boat lool. It is cruel world out there. Sometimes the reasons are acceptable as in the case of my ex-neighbour who was driving a car and hit a pole where consequently one of the passengers died. They sent him to jail based on negligence. The Juries decided whether he should be: A- Sent to prison for Life for manslaughter. B- Do some time for involuntary manslaughter. C- Or be acquitted. They gave him three years and I am not clear what they charged him with. Having broken english helped him and this was prior to 9/11 when America was Good for Muslims. For a brother like that, We can't blame him. So having a record doesn't mean always being a bad person. Life is difficult nonetheless. May Allah help us stay safe and clean bro. I know I could be anyone among those in Jail so I am not laughing at them. May Allah forgive us and forgive everyone else who sincerily repents. Living in America is like living on the edge, one wrong move and you got a record no matter the scale of your falter. Being a minority isn't easy as well.

Rudy, Good point lol. Horta ninka Soomaali Miyaa? It sounds like he is a brother Convert who accepted islam in Jail. In that Case, Allah knows best. I have some thoughts about the Odds. Convicts have trouble living a decent life anyway and earning a good wage after they come out OF PRISON within the USA. So the poor girl would have to take care of him for life unless they move to somewhere outside the US where he can teach English and make a living at least(if he can read and write that is). Being businessman can also alleviate the pain of relying on others to hire him which they won't. A white Convert once came to our state from another State. He converted to islam in Prison. Miskiinka, He couldn't find a decent job because of his bad record, he couldn't marry the Somali girl he wanted to marry because when he called back home to her parents, they just screamed over the phone at the girl for wanting to marry Gaalka Cad(to somalis whites are just Gaal), We couldn't convince them the guy was a white Muslim. Talk about difficulties. The odds stacked against the girl and her new husband if she goes for him are tremendous to say the least. jeceelkaan la sheegaayo dadka qalbiguu ka waalaa. Some people would just do about anything illogical to have a piece of the person whom they have fallen for. Better not "LOVE" to be sane lol I think HONESTLY. And I don't claim perfection or to be a muslim without a sin. Just presenting some difficult facts that come with having a criminal record in the US. Many of us who live here know the forms we sign to get a job, acquire driver's license or just about anything that is necessity in life. It is a slow death someone is dying when they have a criminal record under their belt. These are the issues the Woman should keep in Mind regardless of her commitment to the Guy.

I signed the petition though I think in the end, any publicity(despite the intension being negative here) will play into the hands of islam. 9-11 was very shocking to All Americans and many among them wanted to study and learn about islam afterwards. Consequently, some of the curious minds among them converted or reverted to Islam. If you visit http://www.islam.org on the upper-left side of the screen, you will see names of new Muslims, When they converted to islam and where they live within America scrolling down one by one. They are still converting.

Wiilo, Hadda waaba ka noqdey cirradii halka xabbo eheed oo aan sheegtey. Suuqa armeyba iga xirtaa oo la ii maleeyaa odey Duqoobey oo meelahaan ka qaraabanaayo? lol. Waa aarsanaayey markaan ku dhahay ha isku Qaldin degmo iyo Laanta Qof xamar degganaa oo labadaas isku qaldaayo ma jiro, ee waxaan rabey inaan kaa guto "Sheegashada" aa i dhahdey amaa sheegad tahay nooh Sorry yaah, Duq uma hadal ekid. Hey, Ma u maleynaayi inaa Wiiladaas tahay, Shibbane aan hadlineey eheed gabadhaas. Leego meel la dhahana wey ka timid markii oo reer xamar rasmi ah ma aheyn, So that rules you OUT big time I guess. Relax Yaah? Kuma Aqaanno lol. Wiilo, haye hee Abaayo, Meesha ka wad Dabeecadda fiican. And Thanks. Dadka adigoo kale faro ku tiris waaye hadda.

Noobie, That was something! Stories like yours make me question the value to being a Somali ethnically if it doesn't translate into feelings of belonging to one another. Makes you wonder if what we had been taught about Somali history was actually a false concoction of ideologies that held no truth in them. Or the Somalis of Late are very CORRUPTED that they have no resemblance to their predecessors??. I like to think the latter and corruption in their hearts made them seem too alien in comparison to their forefathers who fought for the collective Somali good wherever they lived in Somalia proper in the early days(or so as I had been told). Somalis confused me.

Wiilo, lool, hey, kaftanka caadi waaye. Anigaa jecel inaa iska gaabsado forumka oo qof walba afka la gelin haddaa lacalla is dhahdey xoogsade waa aamusan yahay ama ma baxbaxno. I am trying hard not to be ME really lool. Laakiin adiga camal ma ihi, trobo hadal. Aadaa u furfuran tahay. Anigaaba la iga dacwoonaayey qof iga daranaanba arkey :eek: Reer madiino rasmi ma ihi, labo sano camalaan degganeen xanaanada xoolaha, saldhigga boliiska galbeed agtiisa INTAAN lagu soo kala cararin meesha. Too bad, two years doesn't make me rasmi haye? Xaafadeyda rasmiga Boondheere waaye dhinaca manapolio agteeda, Laanta Boondheere, degmada haku qaldin yaah kistoo duqnimaa sheegataye lol. DEGMO iyo Laan waa kala yihiin. Maka heshey anigoo koyto camal u hadlaayo inaan kuu kala sheeg sheego degmo iyo laanta wexey kala yihiin? Btw, Maxaa i dhahdey sheegad aa tahay? Hada taasaanba la yaabanahay lol. P.S. Duqnimada adiga keligaa ma ahan meeshaan. Hal ciraa dhakada iiga taallo nooh I hope that qualifies me as DUQ too. Waana ku mahadsan tahay marti soorka fiican. Thanks Abaayo.

Wiilo, too friendly aa tahay adiga. Usbuucii halkoo mar xataa malaguugu kaco miyaa? You never wake up from the wrong side of the bed huh? Suulashaada qalloocan ee aa dhahdey banooninyaa iga qallociyey aa iga qosliyey. Boondheere hadaa degganeed xaafadda manapoolio, nasiib buundo agteeda, Neero too la dhihi jirey aa tahay aan u maleenaa. Shartaada allah na mootiyo lool. Waa ka cabsan jirney as kids lol. Just kidding Aadaa bulsho u tahay. Adiga camal nin inaa noqoto aa kugu fiicneed si aa iyaga lee ugu biirto si fiican. Wiilo la baxoow wiil makaa dhigeyso lol. Gabar wiilo la dhahana darisaan xamar, Madiino mar dambe ku eheen. Haddana SOL adaa ila joogo. Cajiib yaah? Dacawo/Shehera/Legend You are all welcome. That is Minneapolis Daily Newspaper where any important information regarding Somalis can be found.

Aren't some of us putting a blanket judgement on different people(women) with different mentality, personality and attitude? Can someone use this collective mentality to decide if "fa'iza" next door is good or bad? I mean, what does my cute neighbour have to do with a report let alone with the rest of Somali women in general? There are some trends in age-groups, but certainly, women are all different as all men are different from one another. We should re-examine our tendency to speak in the collective and understand that people(both men and women) are different, and that Allah gave each individual unique personality that accounts for how they behave and deal with others. I don't believe in Somali women's character being a uniform one just as I know Somali men are all different from each other. May be Eating Khat for those back home can be said to be almost a certain characteristic to be found among them(and some were demostrating when the price went up recently to prove my point). Anyway, waxaa ilaah loogu mahadiyaa, bani'aadamka inuu isku mid ka dhigin xagga dabeecadda, qof walbana siduu yahay asaga ama iyada ku gaar tahay. BRO SHOOBARO. Miskiin Guys have a place and some admirers too I think

Thanks everyone, Viking, Shehera, Stoic and all others. Bro Nur, that was good-humoured satire and educational in a way. Markaa duceysaneysid anigana igu dar aboow.

Anytime you guys want to find out a news about Somalis in Minnesota, Visit http://www.startribune.com and either search(if what you are looking for is few days/months old) or go through the headlines to read about what you wanted to read. Here is the whole story about the strike: About job security/religious issues/disrespect and etc. Read it for yourself. http://www.startribune.com/stories/535/5060157.html Ngonge/Raami The lady doth protest lol, Hey saxib, that is funny. And I wonder what Raami stands for? I thought NGONGE was a little odd but this one even sounds Odder lol

Does an online opinion matter except to show where one stands on the issues? I think people who support Abdullahi Yusuf for tribal reasons are as corrupted and bigotted as those who oppose him for the same reason. Such people/groups are the ones who spoil for the rest, one group among them making a national issue private tribal business while their counterparts are simply objecting to the common good based on the same principles others are basing their support on. Both are personalizing something not personal. We should let Somalis back home decide what they want while we hold on to our opinions for a later occassion when appropriate. If you are bitter about Abdullahi yusuf, Waa la doogiye yaan la dacaroon many don't like him but want to use him as the stepping stone for a better future. The alternative might have been the same or worse anyway. Actually more hopeless if it came to resolving certain issues. So Abdullahi Yusuf might have a better leverage in resolving certain issues. I think Abdullahi Yusuf cares about and is more eager to make this work than anyone else. If he can avoid the futility of taking on islam, he has a chance to succeed. So let us wait and see. What is there to fear? Things are very personal and tribal in Somalia, and a government better walk on a fine line before things dwindle down to "Give me liberty or give me death". That is how it will be in the country if people become dissatisfied with the government and its corrupt policies. Marka, for those who can't wait and don't have the patience, let things play out and hope for the best. Stop objecting for the sake of objection or you don't like someone. Think about your relatives in XAMAR who dealt with the most violence in the last fourteen years. Sidaan maslaxad iney ugu jirtaa laga yaabaaye, hold on to your criticism for a while and see how it works. Let us hope the new government makes the right decisions in the best interest of Somalis.

Garab Tuujiye, ha iga Xanaaqin, laakiin markaa wax Qoreysid niyadda waxaan ka masawirtaa inaa Cabaadeesid ee sidee wax u Jiraan Duqa? Just an impression I get when I read your posts. Inaa Qeylineysid lee u maleeyaa LOOL. By The Way, Shoobaro ma aheenoo Adiga? Maal mahaan waa idinku wareerey. Nuune aka Boolbaro, Qacqaac weli Qacqaciisa lee waaye, Inti kalena waaba illoobey.

Waraa nuune, waa sugi la'dahay miyaa in meesha la riixo? Qalqaaladaaba iigu daran loool. riix meesha riix yaah? Waan riixey waana fiirsadey Thanks.

The Politicians visit Somali residential areas in droves seeking their Votes twice within every four years. Once for the State race and the other for the Presidential. So yes, Many Somalis, mostly the elderly are going to vote. They are all pro-kerry and are driven by Bush-dislike. The ecomony is bad and the social services for the elderly were reduced and are still threatened to be farther cut. Both local and state government are in a dire need of financies and funds that aren't forthcoming from Bush-Cheney White House. So the needy knows what it means to have Bush in office for another four years aside from their bloody stampede throughout the world. My grand-mother was cajoling me to vote the other night which was hilarious lol. I told her my vote is personal and I would feel guilty of putting someone in office who is going to make unfavourable decisions against Some Muslims and Nonmuslims somewhere both in America and throughout the world. Nonetheless, I despise Bush for being Dummy. He is too American. I will surely celebrate his defeat so I don't have to switch the TV and change channels to avoid his blubber every time he comes on. Anyhow, hope that satisfies your curiousity about Somali Americans as you termed it and their political mindset(in our area) as of late What are you? An Aussie? Brittish? or An American? I think one of the first two but not the last considering your language though I could be wrong. PS: Eat your last meal as late as possible to avoid lower Sugar Levels. No more little excuses Sheherazade LOL. Take Care.

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I willfully ignored that Riyo ku nool rajo ku noolaan ahay LOL.