Originally posted by Jimcaale: Labaduba waa isma dhaanto iyo dhasheed. Waa is dhaammaan boqolkiiba boqol. Ma maqlin dhallinyarada kasoo horjeeddo Amxaarada iyo xulufadeeda laga soo xulay labo qabiil aa naago soomaali kufsaday, dukaamo islaameed dhacay iyo wixii la mid ah. Qaladaad waa leeyihiin dhallinyarada, qaladaadkooda laakiin uma dhigmo gabood falka qabqablayaasha iyo nimanka ay qabiilkooda kasoo xusheen ka sameyaan Muqdisho saxib. Cadaalada in laga tago ma fiicno. No one is perfect dadka laakiin waa is dhaamaa.

^ If you listened to him before, you will recognize his voice. It is Maxamed Dheere bro. Accentiga koofurta, gaar ahaan Muqdisho/banadir accent ma fahamtaa? LOL waa funny accent even in ordinary conversation without insults. My homies waaye raggaas lol.

^ Well put saxib.

^ You have quite an extensive knowledge of the movement ya badda-cas LOL. Now CIA will debrieve you man.

Way isu dhiidhiibeen duqa LOL, Dheere sounds besieged. Nimanka qabqablayaasha dhib weenaa heesto saxib iyaga xataa. Nolol fiican kuma noolo, yet they still continue living that miserable life. Waan la yaabay.

Nolosha waa ku adkaatay reer Muqdisho saxib. Ilaahay ha u yasiro, Culeeska saaran ilaahay haka qaado.

^ That is your favourite man in Muqdisho, your governor making a fool out of himself Kan yar waaba la gartay ee ku ciyaaraayaa Maxamed Dheere, he sounds a teenager. LOL, the clip still cracks me up LOL. Maxamed Dheere reminded me of my Boondheere days. I haven't heard such insult since 1990s.

^ Exactly saxib. Opposition is legitimate and somalis of all stripes and views do participate in the struggle to see an end to the Ethiopian Military involvement in our country. A/Y's clanish supporters think Al-shababab being listed as a terrorist group brings an end to the insurgency born out of nationalism for many and out of religious duty for others. I wasn't even aware there were other groups like the JIS operated in Muqdisho untill I read an article yesterday on a somali website. The US as usual makes an already difficult and intractable situation worse, they never have been farsighted and this move only serves to prolong the conflict and weaken the warlords in Somalia.

Al-shabaab is only part of a larger opposition which the US itself acknowledges to exist. The announcement will have no effect on the insurgents and opposition groups in Somalia. The only impact this announcement so far has is to deny the TFG a chance to survive and become legitimate where it needs to assert control over. The announcement definitely prolongs the conflict. The only opportunity left for a lasting resolution is for the Xabashi troops to withdraw, Un troops to come in, reasonable changes in the TFG to occur and a new page to start. If that becomes a possibility, armed opposition will be easily denied their local support and they will be forced to retreat, lay down their weapons or go back to their separate existence like before.

Naxar, You sound desperate going around accusing people of terrorism. And for your info, people can oppose legitimately any entity they find a threat to their existence. There is State Terrorism which is carried out by Governments. Bombing nomads tending to their cows in Somalia is state terrorism, raping women and girls is terrorism, indiscrimante bombing of residential areas is terrorism, denying the population food and medicine by blockading deliveries is state terrorsim. The TFG clan miltia and its backers are the Terrorists per conduct. They have been brutal and dispalced a million plus per crdible reports, and six thousand souls dead.

Defections must be in fashion lately. Gaari Cabdi Bille ah oo goordhaw isu soo dhiibay Xoogaga Mujaahidiinta Soomaaliyeed

Naxar, you don't think the governor is uncivilized at least by name-calling someone else's mother and mentoning her private parts? He is not the sharpest tool in the shed.

This is the funniest recording I ever listened to. Someone calls MAXAMED dheere and tells him to submit to the insurgents and join the islamic fighters. Listen to his reply, very funny. It says a lot about the man's mental aptitude. I invite particularly A/Y supporters to listen to this. http://www.jowhar.com/news/news.php?readmore=3400

Btw, jimcaale, saxib, I like you bro, you are one of the coolest brothers who visit here, and you are a just man as well. Your record speaks for itself. Losing a relative is not easy, so hopefully you accept my apologies if my message seems out of bounds. Nothing personal bro. I think a break for you from here for a while is good for you. You will deal with a lot of difficult messages that may bother you otherwise. Some here are irresponsible to glorify the death of the innocents, the rape and the torture of people who done nothing, others will reply to them in kind, meesha mar mar lama xamili karo imaatinkeeda. Marka saxib, you are a good man, clan politics ma fiicna. Take care bro. PS: I lost a loved one as well, last year in Muqdisho when the city was in a lockdown and the Ethiopians were massacring the populace left and right. It was difficult to read hypocrites justifying what was going on. It is easy to go off on such irresponsible people, marka, meesha waa laga gambistaa for a while to avoid unpleasant comments bro.

^ Yaan is dhaamin? ma kuwa dadka dhaca oo qabiilka ku laaya, masaakiintana meelaha ku baar baarto iyo waxaa is bar bar dhigeesaa kuwa dadka wanaagooda ka shaqeeya haba qaldanaadaan mar mar? they are both human beings who are bound to err, but some make their career out of robbery, maiming, rape, and torture while others base their actions according to the best of their abilities on sound justice, so tell me, ma sima yihiin labadaas jamaaco? Waa la iska hadlaa wax looma qoro, warka cadee saaxib.

^ Bro, Their execution and delivery of justice may not be conventional all the time, but I would rather have peace and ruthless religious men with an AK47 ruling over me than accept a horrible existence under clan militias masquarading as government soldiers who would rob me, maim me and rape a younger sister of mine or the neighbour's at their whims. Besides, you need to take a break and come back when you cool off. Maal mahaan waad dambaabi uun saaxib if you visit on a regular basis. Come back in few weeks.

People should read the link below to understand what the average somalis go through and see what the clan militias dressed in military fatigue masquarading as government soldiers do to them. http://www.somaliaonline.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?/topic/9/14376 Anyone with a relative who is part of these clan militia causing such harm to the poor somalis would do great service by advising their kins to quit. Ogaada qofka taageersan TFGda inuu taageersan yahay dhibaatada muslimka. Don't be gullible.

So Abu mansoor and the band of brothers he leads had to come to the rescue and conduct operation qur-goyn to get these thugs off the road? Looma dul qaadan karo dulmigaan. Most depressing for me back in the days when the war started was seeing the helpless abused by clan militias armed to the teeth. I am glad I left behind that hell hole somalia has become. I would have been dead by now for becoming intolerant to the thugs and pick a war with them. These faithless malaacninah of the TFG whose profession is to kill and rob somalis at gun point and others who support them with their pen are the same. Waa lowly munaafiqiin as they all come.

^ Khalaf, it wasn't in Muqdisho, the event took place somewhere in between Baydhabo and Muqdisho. It makes no difference to you but just thought you could use the correct info to expand the savage infested area. Try again abti.

Who is in Control? Good question really. How Clan Militia Aligned with Warlord A/Y, Qaybdiid and Dheere Move around town Also, latest news depicts a different picture of the realities in muqdisho. One news among the many coming from that town isClan Militia Ejected from Bakara Market The pics above are obviously taken in one block of Muqdisho where the clan militia of the warlords have influence. No surprise there. And I notice how they want to mimic the last regime's red berets

Originally posted by Libaax-Sankataabte: PS: Calanka.com website is owned by Northern Mogadishu clansmen. This poll code is also from polldaddy.com. Yea, and now the man who runs the website is a jaajuus according to somalis in Oslo who know him personally. He and some TFG supporters accused innocent fellow somalis to be terrorists and they were arrested by the Norway police. http://www.wadaninews.com/8%20mas%202008.html A/Y, jeelle&maxamed Dheere dadka taageersan soomaalida waa ugu caqiido xun yihiin undoubtedly. We saw what that loose canon Omar Jamal said on tv about someone who was debating with him, stooping low is a culture for them, sharaf ma leh.

The dream looks more real when the south seems to be in an endless cycle of violence and falling apart. That is nothing new. Next year this time Somalilanders might still be dreaming. Principled men do not abandon their sacrosanct cause, and with regards to Somalia, the Blue flag and a united country is nothing short of sacred. Those men who are to switch or switched to the northern province of Somalia were not honest men to begin with. It turned out their scheme to hit a gold mine hit a snag and Somaliland is where the gold is for now---> Money. When the south comes to shine, All else will look nothing compared to the Giant the south is. Majority will reign supreme as they had been and the minorities who tried to take advantage of troubled somalis, those who worked to tear apart what every somali holds dear, will tow the line willingly or unwillingly. Plus history will despise such somalis for eternity.

^ But you justified it in your first sentence. When translated, you were saying in effect, that if past looting occured, this latest one by clan militias of A/Y and Maxamed Dheere is okay too. The rest of your post is to cover your tracks and giving excuses to thugs on camera looting poor people's properties. Just another demonstration of how somalis justify all ills in circles iyagoo isla fiican.

The credit goes to the US involvement and their insistence that power must be shared. Rice was there delivering that message in no uncertain terms. Also, the Kenyan Military is politically nonaligned, they never get involved unless restoring order or as a last resort to bring an end to disputes. That is very important in clan oriented african societies. If the Military is neutral, uncorrupted and patriotic, chaos doesn't degenerate into unmanageable levels, sooner or later order gets restored. We never had guardians of a somali state but corrupts who used government institutions to clanish and personal ends. To this day, somalis think government as the means to enrich yourself and your clan. A deep tradition which is hard to eliminate. The TFG is a continuation of that corrupted culture.

Originally posted by me: Xoogsade, AY is in the eyes of the world the president of Somalia. I rather see the president of Somalia dead, then seeing him being slapped. When I say this I am defending the office of the president of Somalia, not AY. Imagine seeing the Somali flagn being burned by Ethiopians. (yes they are burning whole cities I know, but bare with me) This Somali flag is also the flag that the TFG uses. Does the use of the flag by the TFG make it another flag that we shouldn't care about? AY can be lampooned, but the office of the president of Somalia can't. I agree with your sentiment saxib and I didn't mean to convey you were supporting A/Y as a man. Just pointing out hadday ceeb dhacdo, waxay qabsaneysaa wixii mas'uul ka ahaa imaashaha Xabashida waddanka ay timid iyo nimanka difaaco joogitaankooda sida A/Y. If anyone among the st00ges gets treated with indignity, it has no bearing on our pride and who we are. We were no part of the scheme to occupy Somalia neither did we accept to settle for servitude. Still, I must admitt, this sort of incident, which seems unfounded, bothers the conscience. A/Y and his warlrods iyagaa dullinimada wanaag u arko. It is a bit difficult to take pity on these fools. Foolxumay soomaliya badeen.