Pucca, You provided a good source. I read it and it confirmed what I thought was correct. Thanks for the comprehensive link with its references. It even told the reader the authenticity of every Hadith, who uses it as a source, and everything related to this issue.

LOOL, Ma naxdo maa magac ka dhigatid?

Aeronwen, that way of thinking about women gives me the protective mechanism I need and prevents my heart from falling into nonsensical abyss. Uniqueness is what is particular to individuals and what makes them who they are of course, but it doesn't mean everyone else lacks the needed important qualities that make them a desirable company as well. At some point of time, a man decides every woman has the potential to be as good as the other although each one of these women have something special about them. PS: I know someone who might wanna get married to me wouldn't buy that and want to hear how special they are, but I think my way of thinking is generous in the least and shouldn't be tampered with lol.

Alpha-Geeljire, I tell you what your great ancestors wouldn't have done as ragged camel herders: Never say "Alla Beerka" and use the embarrassing "emoticon". Lesson One for you about greatness. Next time I will call you "abaayo" ee iska ilaali Don't confuse me noble-man. PS: Somehow the word "SAVAGE" has a nice ring tone to it. I like it Cause, I am a SAVAGE.

I like the expression you have as a quote in your post. Tells me something about someone I am not going to say. Bene waaye haddaa xanaaqin. Btw, indha kala rogoowga shuqul gabdheed waaye maxaa ii liideysaa? lol. Ops.

Alle ubaahne, you are funny saxib. Fiiri, waa runtaa in mar marka qaarkood dad ulajeedo kale leh ka doodaan arrimaha diinta, laakiin in this case, everyone involved has sincere interests as I see them including you. I am for less pain and naturality if islam isn't being undermined by that. And the reason my conviction leans towards that end, is because: A- If islam doesn't place prohibition on non-circumcision for women, nor does it give clear order of it based on Authentic hadiths, why argue for it? B- If the sunnah practice can not be supported with authentic hadiths, then it is cultural practice that has nothing to do with islam and a strong one in Somali community. The way I see it, the sheekhs themselves are too reluctant to give up the tradition. So they let it continue under the sunnah direction using perhaps some unauthetic ahadiths, and god knows because they never tell us the authentic ahadiths they are basing on the Sunnah. C- Women are the ones who deal with the circumcision, they know better about the subject, if they aren't happy with it, perhaps we should take that into consideration and listen to their concerns? Aniga ceebaanba u arkaa inaan kala doodo arrimahooda u gaar ka ah. Not my business and I am not asking a woman how is she down there. Sunnah or not, it is faith that counts in the end bro. Asxaabta kale Haven't you noticed the popularity of Alle ubaahne ? check his ratings, Ten whole nomads voted for him Aniga xataa waan ka helaa dabeecaddiisa, we need people like that who have strong convictions about their beliefs. The noble thing for everyone to do is to understand where someone is coming from. And Nur is still a Brother. He hasn't lost his Aura.

Bukhuurta luubaanta ama fooxa maa laga wadaa? lool. They bring some Catar to the mosques but I don't like the strong smell it has so I excuse myself all the time. Barafuunkii africa lagu gadi jirey "One Man Show" aan ka helaa. Sheherazade Do you have to tell I visit the T? lol.

Akhyaarta, waa caadiye, waxba yaan la kala xumaanin. No hard feelings. PS: I edited after I wrote too much unnecessary information about me Horn It is okey to support A/Y. It would be nice if people who support him oppose him when he does employ devisive policies or wants to wage a war. Justifying his wrongs is inexcusable. His election proves people are willing to put tribalism behind if A/Y comes along with the peace program fine. Also, there is nothing wrong if others oppose him on good grounds. I guess both supporters and those who oppose him should examine what they base on their deeds. Che Saaxib, all you said is right. I will leave it at that.

lol@nabadshe, If dealing with the devil gets us what we want, why not support A/Y? Looking at the big picture is important and that is why I don't mind who is president and who is not. The only problem people have with others is when they forget who A/Y was and is as a person and on what account he was elected. Waxaan la yaabay, markii la doorteyba billaabeen dagaal abaabul iyo booto cidla ah. I have seen a drunkard singing "Bad boy, what you gonna do when we come for you" and I am not kidding. Tells you a lot. Anyway saxib, this Omar Jamal dude, he has a big mouth that puts him in trouble. PS: I never sit at Starbucks and once in a blue moon I went there with my uncle to buy some coffee, I told some people arguing loudly inside to shut the hell up and respect the customers lol.

I am not interested in what people think of me, so I don't need to present a just face. I do write the replies based on what others write. I am not bereft of family connections and when people are full of venum, of course, it tells me that I am just part of people they hate. Besides, I hate beenta qaawan, on one end people telling us about islam, advocating for Somaalinimo while at the same time, they are hating on others and are prejudist.

Alle Ubaahne, The criminal enterprise headed by A/Y would have crumbled anyway. Cidaan taageerayaashiisa ahayn kuma qasaareen dacwada. Dambi haddii la dhahana, many have blood on their hands. I have been there in Muqdisho when the war broke out and my neighbours were armed to the teeth by Siyad Barre to participate in the war and defend his rule. They set up isbaarooyin at Number Four and stopped everyone who fled from other parts of the town. They asked the refugees from other Muqdisho localities what their tribes were and you were executed based on your accent. Some of my relatives survived because they claimed to be their neighbours in Mudug. Waxa waaye, soomaalida kale waa dad iska aamusan who are not obsessed with their dead. We buried whole families in single graves because all we could account for were their flesh. From Muqdisho to Kismayo, some those who fled Xamar continued killing people who hailed from another tribe. Dadaan waxba caydiid ka aqoon baa la laayay just because. I have been in Gaduudeey as well running with My abtiyaal where they burned whole families in the Sugar fields. When they made to Kismayo, they started killing people as well and organizing a return to Muqdisho. I was scared to see women throwing away their clothes and pouring sand on their head to entice the men to go back and fight, defend their tribal honour. Dadkaan qabiilaa dhuuxa ka galay. Intii nabadda la ahaana musuqmaasuq yaa waddanka loola joogi la'aa iyo qabyaalad.

Bishaaro, ma xanaaqdey? I come across as uncaring and narcissist?

Alle Ubaahne, Caafimaadaa laga hadley and no sex. May be some up there wrote something about that and I haven't read all the posts. The main theme of the discussion as I realized turned into whether gudniin of women is according to islam or not. Why don't you contribute if you know something in line with islam about the subject? Xadiis saxiix ah ma la haayaa? they taught us to ask questions and now we are doing that. Till I see that I am against it.

Omar Jaajuus in la dhaho ma ogid miyaa? he used to be in trouble himself with the law sometime ago and all somalis came together to advocate for him. I was mad myself thinking the local state government was picking on him for nothing and some of his clansmen accused him to keep their influence in some community offices. Hunguri dartiisey u dacweeyeen and told the goverment his status as canadian refugee/european refugee. War soomaalida kii diin leh mooyee intooda kale waa laga cararaa. Even those religious ones can't be trusted sometimes. You always learn that too late. PS: When he was let go, and after a while, I heard him in an interview over the radio where he openly explained how somalis were afraid to be interviewed by the FBI(9-11 related issues) for some reasons I can't discuss in here. That is when I realized this guy was a sold out low life.

Few hours left for Xamali inshallah, will go soon, however saxib, as the concerned individuals you are, you can do more, so fire away faxes and e-mails to all potential targets hehehehe. On a serious note, you are right, all these things could happen as retaliatory but only in Somalia. In fact, A/Y waa u dhammaatey dowladiisa considering the political setbacks this already brought. Sometimes waiting is wiser. It is also imperative to have a better person in charge who is not iffy himself. Justice will remain elusive always.

Yoonis Why don't you accuse everyone from Qebdiid's tribe in sweden to be a potential terrorist? That can prevent any such events taking place in Sweden since you sound convinced they have the potential. Orodoo jaajuus cid walboo aad ka taqaan meesha oo reerahaas ka dhashay. Orgilaqe. Well, I think that might get you the sort of punishment you are looking for. American barbarism are preferable than the swedish liberal courtesies

Originally posted by sheherazade: ^got a feeling desire's got a strong stomach. Which is just as well cause we smell, go to the toilet to empty our bowels and bleed(sorry if I'm ruining the movie for ya). It's not imperfect, it's nature. Personalty matters and some people's desire has no strong stomach. I am clean freak and never liked people to see me with my face unwashed, never went out without uncombed hair and even waited a while to join congregation prayers if I was sweating. I used to sit outside the mosque till I was cool enough or used whatever I could find to cool myself like Babis. All these at a young age. So my desire can instantly be killed by such thoughts and I don't want to see others in an unpleasant situation or think about them in those situations. I want to ignore the nature's unpleasant realities about people.

It is all about knowing who had been there first before someone else did it. A brutal way of fact finding indeed. Like Khayr asked, what do Mad-habs say about this? And if they use Ahadith, how authentic are these Hadiths? I am sorry if I asked questions outside the topic. My Vote is no "CIRCUMCISION" for women.

How about mentioning to UNCLE SAM that he participated in the war against the Americans so they can bring him here? They might take him to GITMO. Omar Jamal might have done it already.

Kaaga darane, the charcoal mining nomads have the latest equipment for tree cutting. It is not the old fashioned "Masaar" anymore but powerful chainsaws. This practice of tree cutting made headways into the deep south and in smaller towns. It is big business. If you have a tree in front of your house, people will beg you to cut it down before they get to the closest one in the desert several miles away. Can you imagine such madness?

LOL@CAMEL MILK, Odaga waa dambiile kalee you better expect people challenge him as a head of state. If cleaning our society starts with men who have iffy and questionable characters, A/Y doesn't stand a chance and the evidence is what he said about himself. Other criminal activities he engaged in during his tenure in Puntland, his participation in civil wars are enough to discredit him as president. If you can't see that, soomaali baad ahayd awalba soo maaha? These accusations will start weakening the already shaky government. Others will see no incentive in punishing their own criminals when there is another criminal leading the country as they think, shall say and believe. It was better to wait for some other opportunities inside the country and after a time when the reaction wouldn't be as emotional as it is right now. They already held demonstrations and some more are planned in Xamar. Other men who have something attached to their record will have good reason to be more Anti government. This can basically be the burial of government the way I see it. The finger is already pointed at A/Y for masterminding this, so you can expect what the result will be. I am not saying this to deny anyone to seek retribution/revenge for they should, but the outcome of it may be far reaching setbacks. Somalis are not ready accepting the truth unless its their own version. PS: The reason I support this, is the fear it puts in everyone in the goverment including A/Y and the outcome it will bring about(the dismantling of a criminal enterprise). Waayo, accountability haddii la yiraahdo halagu dhaqaaqo, everyone of them WILL GO and must go. Mar marsiinyaa awalba loo la'aa. They are all dirty except few civilians in them who are corrupted themselves but at least have no blood record attached to their resume.

It is good criminals are targetted, and I hope every community targets the criminals they have a case against, if not in the West, in SOMALIA. They should follow the example in Europe and no forgiveness. This way, we will end up free of every criminal including A/Y. I hope this sets a precedent where all warlords and dictators are shot or brought to justice. Qofkii wax tirsanaayaba haku dhaqaaqo siduu i dili lahaa kii wax ka diley reerihiisa.

Bishaaro(Naku Penda Piya), you took the KARAAMA out of women lool. Men don't think about them like that. They ignore such facts exist. PS: You have no reason to demand anything from me from now on Sheherazade. You are right, however, we like to think women are perfect. Such thoughts about human imperfections are unnecessary and can kill the desire. Don't you think?

I have seen the works of Sheekh Uweys on a tape long ago, based on that, I decided he was doing something noble for needy people at the time. The tape belonged to a friend from laascaanood who had no reason to propagate such positive work based on tribe. If Sheekh Uweys changed afterwards, then my views change. I have to see or hear such a change from reliable, untribalist, non A/Y blind supporters. I can't honestly judge others based on A/Y supporter. To me, if you are uncritically supportive of A/Y, you have credibility issue with me no matter how many sunan books or quranic verses you memorized. This is why I gave Indhacadde the benefit of the doubt when I saw some people pick on him. I have heard the name one time before, when dhoobley was attacked and someone by the name indhacadde sent some supporters of his to participate. At the time, I dismissed both the name and the news as typical warlord mayhem and didn't follow up. Calling him a Sheekh now and grouping him with Sheekh uweys made me wonder if this is a new guy whom people are picking on just because he is from a different tribe they don't belong to. Anyhow, to any loyal, uncritically A/Y supporter, you have credibility issue as you will always have with others for your blind support. Waxba yaan dadka laga dul eedaamin. Marka hore arka indha la'aanta idin heysa idinka, ka dibna dadka kale wax ka sheega.

Alla-Ubaahne, They will do that if A/Y goes to Sweden and some somalis protest and accuse him as well. People protested against A/Y when he went to London sometime ago. It depends on the law a given country has. A warlord is a warlord no matter what title he carries. Abdi Qeybdiid deserves to be arrested. he is responsible for the deaths of many civilians among his clansmen as well. I couldn't check the video posted as it requires some software I have no time to download now. Later. Miskiin. Alla Ubaahne didn't say Sweden was siding with specific tribe. It is usual some somali communities accuse whoever has done some wrongs to them. It is possible for some to see the accusations motivated solely on tribal grounds. But who cares in this case. he should be dead long ago.