Exactly what you hope for to happen to Muqdisho and its residents. How pathetic.

Are you stable saxib? One day you are against the courts the other you are supportive of them. Meel isugu toos si warkaaga muhimmad u yeesho.

Naxar, the instability had a cause and the cause was largely removed, the men who were responsible for the brutal devision and hatred in Muqdisho are in baydhabo welcomed by A/Y and his government. For the first time, Muqdisho is celeberating the removal of the green line as well as that of the psychological barrier laid by Qeybdiid, Ina Aydiid and etc. What do you guys want from us? Why are you asking for our blood and yet claim to be muslims? What you and the likes of you want is the blood of muslims in mUqdisho to be spilled under the excuse of establishing a government when in fact these people want to work with the government and expressed no objection to it. Why are you so hateful to teh extent of wanting to see the blood of people spilled? Munaafaqnimada ka toobad keena adiga iyo wixii kugu caqli ah and stop demanding our blood and that of our relatives and parents.

Ninkaan waa la kari waayay nabadna waa diiday inuu qaato. Xataa Cisman Caataa u Caqli celiyay, A/Y promised him a job in the police force if he was willing to support the TFG, He refused everything. It is about time a war is waged on him. If the courts could make it quick so the residents don't have to worry about what is going to happen next everyday that would be great. Just because the courts chose to negotiate and advice him, he thinks there is no willingness to fight him. Nimanka noocaan oo kale ah ee caaada qaatayaasha diinta aan heysan waxaan xabbad ahayn maku waana qaataan. So, when are we going to hear about the good news of his death or departure from Muqdisho?

Originally posted by Sakhar: Sheh, thanks for the link! However I've to point out, that you did not understand the essence of my post! Xoog, you're clearly missing the point here. Read what I've written before writing a baseless and ignorant reply. Would you be kind enough to clarify where I missed the point without insulting me? I don't take offence at being told I am ignorant of something islamic because I want to learn. So go ahead Sakhar.

Valenteenah, I like the eternal "optimist" title you gave me however, I am not blind to existing problems today in somali marriages. I only refuse the idea that if something went wrong with other people's marriages, mine would be the same or somali women would be a failure to me since the ones I saw whose marriages suffered are somalis. Considering how somali lives had been shaped by conflicts back home, it is quite natural now for many young ladies to not know how to cook, usually their mothers have taken the burden of cooking for the entire family for many years. I think it would be nice if they saw the benefit of their mother cooking for them while they studied and worked so that they would do the same for their kids. How important it was for them to have ready meal when they were going to school is how important for their future kids it will be to have ready meal at home. That is my point. Not knowing how to cook doesn't make a woman less of a woman but it is a craft essential for a good home. The father chips in too but nothing equates "Hooyo"'s care. You are not the romantic type I suppose but if your worries are that your beloved won't serve you breakfast on bed, and you are protesting because of that, I am sure he will accomodate you for a while. PS: You would be surprised at what includes in "everything" LOOL. I am confident enough that after all done and said in a house I am the "Diiq", serving a hot meal would just be one of many voluntary acts done by wify. You have no idea Sorry if I come across as lecturing to you. I have been accused of the practice Don't want to offend sweet little you.

Originally posted by Valenteenah: I see many references to some sort of natural 'pride' Somali women are supposed to have. I'm wondering if this could be the same type of 'pride' that makes so many women bleach their skin to ghostly proportions? I'm also wondering how this 'pride' is supposed to stop them from wanting other artificially enhanced assets? Somali women are not that different ...they do what everyone else is doing (and no, it's not only confined to buying the same curtains as heblaayo). Turst me, I never thought of somali women as easily influenced to the extent of wanting to fit in through body alterations, hence, my shock and asking where is the "pride" of being content with their looks as somali women. But I see they are not immune to the culture of their host countries and readily accept the definition of beauty and good looks by others. May be as my friend said to me "competition is tough" and they feel left out since everybody in the host countries universally acccepts beauty and attractiveness as having bigger chests etc. Good logical explanation. I knew about other issues such as skin bleaching and loving to be light-skinned or white, something common in nonwhite societies who were mentally enslaved by the white colonialism, the white supremacy onslaught on the world left in many countries the legacy of loving to be white in those countries they colonized. When people are insulted, degraded and called animal names on a daily basis and are forced to serve in a humiliating manner, they eventually accept themselves to be less human beings and want to be like their masters. Psychology 101

Originally posted by sheherazade: U seem to be doing a good enough job, no need for reinforcements. it is not as much fun when the other experts are here though, I tend to bruise some egos around when I talk, not well trained enough in the art of getting my point without coming across as holier than thou or as a chauvinist little man.

For medical reasons like breast size reduction is understandable, Back pain and other side effects need to be addressed, but for the sake of looking attractive, that is self-loathing to me particularly when the enhancement is done by a somali woman whom I think to be one full of pride. For some reason, I don't want to accept a somali woman cares that much about what a man thinks of her so her behaviour towards herself, how she sees herself for example is influenced by such thoughts. WaterLily. Can't imagine me having an interest in a woman with fake front lights.

Originally posted by Faaraxov: Thought Duke was an old guy. My gosh he was just a kid when the civil war started in 1991, that is 16 years ago? so, where are the mathematicians? the numbers don't ad up. As usual, most guys are thirty and girls never go beyond that magic twenty one number. But honestly saxib, one can be obsessed with politics and be a die-hard clanist at the same time be in their late twenties or in their early thirties. Either way, one's political orientation is not a measure of how old they are. It actually makes sense Duke to be not that old, The trauma of running away as a kid and the negative stories you grow up with can do a lasting damage to one's reasonability. All you know is how to get back at your enemies even if you have to use ethiopians, hope to get some air-power so you can bomb them to pieces or as duke put it, ISOLATE MUQDISHO and its surroundings, it is all about getting back to people you don't like.

The report of rounding up young men from Xamar some of whom were released after they claimed they were to visit Huseen Aidid while the rest are still in jail and the presence of ethiopian troops in the main military barracks must be the source of bother. Is it a secret that Ethiopian troops have already shown up in many parts of the country and more of them are coming in support of the TFG? When you have so much dirt you want hide it makes sense to attack people who will report on you. This is just a small event of what is to come if people in Xamar let this government come to their door-step. All the more reason to reject this corrupt institution.

Is this true? First time I heard this does actually occur on a regular basis and some smali women do breast implant to enhace supposedly their less good looks I was shocked. Hard to believe a somali woman with pride and self confidence developes the life threatening inferiority complex of many western women isn't it? This is not prevalent in USA because I would have heard of it. May be they do too but CANADA is said to be Numero Uno place for these Breast Enhancements for some somali women. Waxyaalo kalena waan maqlay so funny I used to laugh for many days after. Can't say that in here.

Xiinfaniin, this section is boring without you and castro saxib Where is castro? Jimcaale It will be too late saxib, yaa rabo habar? may be odayaashaa nasiib loogu daray Amelia How are you abaayo? Say something other than quoting

Valenteenah, Well, I think there are benefits to being single just as there are some benefits to being married. It works for some people and it doesn't for others, much like most things in life. It's a fact that married people envy singletons and vice versa. Grass is always greener on the other side and all. *Ignoring the daydream and highness bits - Kir mataqaanaa ?* What are the examples of benefits to being single that one can not find in a married life? Things that make the grass greener on the other side for the married? The benefits of marriage are visible. The ever available company, the intimacy and love, the sacrifice for each other, the children and the legacy one leaves behind if they die afterwards. Unless the marriage has problems and it can't work for the parties, the advantages are obvious. Being single is not horrible but it is not a status one would like to find himself in perpetuity no matter how good and convinient life is for the person. Human nature calls for company and the warm love of the other halfs. I thank god for creating a woman as best mate for a man We as men couldn't ask for a better company. You don't think our scorn is well deserved, huh? How many married couples do you know? How many are you related to? Don't you look at their lives and their relationships? I know that's what I do, and 70% of the time, I feel the woman settled. I often feel she could do better, and if not, she would certainly be better off raising her children alone. Most of the marriages I have seen are my idea of hell. I like to see your idea of heavenly marriage Do I have to send you a private pm to know about it? come on, spit it out, that is what I want to know. I know married people including my parents who after thirty years are still in love. They even compete in telling me how one is more fond of the other. I also know about troubled marriages one of which I mediated very embarrassing situation when you yourself are not older than the parties disagreeing. No conflict or disagreement can be difficult to solve if the parties are willing to give their marriage a chance. It is human to disagree really and have issues but the best are those who accept their fallibility and work on the difficult issues facing them. Tell me what is bad about these 70% marriages you saw without being too specific. What are the generalities? Btw, I learned how to cook at a young age. I had to cook for the family because the only girl for the family was way younger than I was and we aren't a big family. Even my father did his laundry if mother had no time. If I wanted to eat earlier, I had to help. Both parents worked. Bottomline, I don't like cooking, an inconvinience I am hoping wify should willingly accept to shoulder What is "cooking" for her when I take care of everything else huh? I know this is something you would do for your beloved. But we can carry on the fake debates on it.

Guhaad, May be this story of yours came to an end and the girl is no more, but this is an opportunity you can't pass up. Gabar kugu waalatay wax ka fiican ma leh.

lol, Waterlily, I meant to say "Dirac" as an "intimate apparel" dressed of course as beauty tyjwania said would do it on her balcony

If it is not obligatory then for women, one can not bother with it right? And this circumcison the scholars said was "mustaxab" is not even the pharoanic one somalis do. We can add to the fact that no Hadith was quoted "Authentic" or "otherwise" about the daughters of the prophet being circumcised. An act that wouldn't have escaped from the companions of the prophet as they were keen on emulating the prophet in matters of religion. Someone posted once in SOL a comprehensive link about Circumcision. I forgot which section it was. It had very good argument for some form of girl circumcison, medical reasons because in some regions/ethnicities of the world some women had overgrown "whatever" that could be bothersome and a piece of it are cut to avoid problems for the women in the future. It said nothing about desire reduction. Anyway, The pharoanic one is criminal no question about it. And the sunnah classification for women calls for more debate.

Wallahi saxib, sometimes waa ka xumaadaa sidaan kuula hadlo. But anyway, learn few things: A- Patience and giving others the chance to prove themselves. Is it difficult for you to see beyond clan affliation? B- Admission of the progress others make, the courts have proven worthy by pacifying a city no one was willing to waste their time and blood on including A/Y. You forget it is teh residents who supported them and funded them throughout the war. Muqdisho qofna kama xigsanin, I oppose foreign troops coming to it if people don't want them. Nice weekend.

My last post to Duke. Not everybody measures government in how many of his clan members have a position in there but rather the quality of the leaders and their trustworthiness. Can they deliver? Are they men who practice islam accordingly? Or are they the remnants of what destroyed somalia(the warlords) to begin with? If I was a clanist, I would defend the TFG because Aidid.Jr is there happily singing to the tune in Baydhabo. I am not interested in how many losers the TFG unites under its banner but what have they done for Muqdisho so far and what their plan is ignoring the poor image most members in the TFG have. Their efforts were Zero sum. In fact, if A/Y got his way long ago, Muqdisho would have been a battle ground inwhich the fighting force from our enemies would happily destroy what is left of the town and its residents. People rejected it. It is the same again. The warlords whom A/Y feared are gone, so why call Ethiopia to come to your aid and who are you fighting against? If A/Y can't trust Somalis, he should quit because he has no right to fire a single bullet at anyone. The entire government doesn't equate in merit to a drop of blood of a somali. The TFG is not something any sensible person would and should die for, likewise, no one should be threatened and his life taken for the sake of it. Also, Sharif Xasan opposed the deployment of Ethiopian troops into somali soil and believed agreements can be reached by somalis without foreign meddling and power since Somalis were willing to support the TFG anyway. Many of us on this forum had to defend Sharif from your usual propaganda and attacks against him. He is a somali person who deserves the support of every sensible being when he is right. When he is wrong, people should oppose him vehemently. That is the tradition of excellence and good characteristics. You give everyone their due right and don't deny them what they deserve just because they hail from clan X or B. Even A/Y himself is welcome if he proves to be a man interested in Somali's well being by giving up on calling for his ethiopian friends. As soon as he sits with others and shows he can deal with them, he is welcome. If not, he must be on his way to a happy retirement. No one is interested and no lives lost. Unlike you, most somalis support men based on merit rather than the man being from your/their clan. If Muqdisho and its surrounding inhabitants decide this government is a menace to them, A/Y and his small group will spend the remainder of their time in Baydhabo. No amount of foreign power can help him rule over them. Government means safety and security, it means justice and brotherhood, It doesn't mean how many ignorant clan members have been appointed to a seat. Horaa looga soo daalay clan issues, Gar ahaan in Muqdisho, we don't want it anymore. Allah has given us islam, inshallah we hope it stays put and strengthens the bond of somalis who live in Muqdisho from all clans. So far the residents are happy and all praises. The only thing that can unite hearts that hate each other is Allah's beautiful guidance. The TFG is not offering any healing but deepening clan animosities since it is an institution based on how many clans have how many members and what clans are sent to the back seat because they are worthless minorities. Such an institution based on such injustice is no institution. It will be and is for a fact a source of contention for the simple minded somalis who look at other clans and think they are elft out. It is sickness. No more corrupt elites coming to power through clan infested organizations like the TFG. We need to free ourselves from corruption and nepotism, bigotry and hate and the only way we can do it is to resort to Allah's book. Anything less is asking for failure.

If that is proven wrong, the reaction from somalis who love somalia and respect its sanctity will be "Alxamdulillah". There is no need for propaganda. Propaganda is left for those who equate clan with nationhood.

Nice advice for someone who himself double posted. War adiga calm down.

It was reported on GedoNews as well. But I guess you already new that and had to add the "Co" at the end of your list huh? btw, we are talking about Ethiopian troops in Beledxawo according to the reports from the residents who are in danger over there. You are obsessed with certain clans.

This is a joke when you have Ethiopian troops in Beled Xawo.

This is sad saxib. Yet another assault on our dignity. The powers that be in the south should organize a war on these emperial thugs and their supporters.

They should hang A/Y from a tree soon for his invitation of Ethiopian troops into Somalia. They now took over BeledXawo and are on their way to WAAJID. A/Y and his stooges in Baydhabo should pay a heavy price for this.