^ I gotta start work Castro and come back for you later. Have fun Duqa.

LOL@Castro, well saxib, The same reason I would pick up a somali woman waiting for the bus or metro and take her to the far corners of the town without asking for her name is the same reason I would hire a woman over a man just because I think I should give her the priority if she is as qualified as the man applying with her. Besides, Tell me you haven't given up your seat on a train for a woman young or not, stopped your car on the highway to change a tire for a woman or went out of your way to fight another man on behalf of a woman you didn't even know? Bishaaro. I said "some woman" and not "you". I was referring to TenaciousSoul*'s first post in the second page. Anyway, I don't like the idea that I have to change whoever I am just because I am gonna lose a big opportunity for scoring a point with a woman who wouldn't take me for what/who I am. That is just very demeaning and being a real loser. I have no problem with your accurate perception of me but only out of curiousity that I wanted you to list characteristics of a chauvinist so I can see where I fit in. I am certain I can win hands down if you listed what ticked you off. Is it how I carry myself around? my replies? What is it? We can all agree that a man who behaves according to how others(women) want him to behave while there is nothing wrong with him is a wimp. Khalaf. lol@her plumping, she is too upset to accept any gifts from me be they flowers and real tools for her work at the moment. It is best to let ladies fume. They usually come around on their own.

Bishaaro, I would favour a woman if she applied for a job with another male applicant and they both hold the same qualifications and degrees. I know fairness and equality should be the order of the day, but that is what I would do, hire the lady if I have only one slot open and I am faced with two applicants male and a female. In doing that, the last thing I would have in mind is to eventually sleep with that woman. I tend to think the same goes on in work-places and sometimes women are favoured for a lot reasons be they sinister reasons or plain interest in meeting the quota. I told you, I didn't mean you would sleep your way up, don't insist on it, but if you do, my apologies again. As for my views about women, what is wrong with them? Just because I don't like to give up qualities intrinsic to me doesn't mean I look down on women. Or I defend myself when some woman insinuates I am a loser because I posted an article adn tell her that I won't break a limb for missing out a career woman. I am honestly surprised you view me as this chauvinist head honco while I never was told I was anything close to that. But then each person has unique ways of looking at everything and you are entitled to yours dear. Lastly, since you view my replies to you as an opportunity for me to have fun at your expense, I will remove the raison d'être i.e. the replies to you. Can't continue offending you sis can I?

Originally posted by Valenteenah: Your problem is that you actually listen to your relatives. Big mistake. No one should listen to them particularly when they suggest something as outlandish as a wig on a pretty head like Wildcat's(just taking a clue from the way she writes and assuming -like most somali women are- that she is attractive). WILDY, don't buy it, Justice and Valenteenah have it right. I always tell my friends that african women look very unattractive wearing wigs and hairs that don't belong to them. Some are even crazy to wear a blond wig.

Bishaaro, Noo!!! you got me wrong dear, I didn't mean screwing with the boss will get you somewhere. I was downplaying your brain power and workwomanship(see, I invented a whole new word for ya). Nothing like how you took it came to my mind when I was writing. Now I have to go back and delete that part Besides, I have all the confidence in the world that I will never miss a great woman who was meant for me. Beyond my humanly efforts, beyond the attraction, rejection or acceptance, beyond everything, there is "preordination", and I will be pretty much content with the woman who ends up with me as a soul-mate. She will be my best everything even she isn't that great in the eyes of others.

Originally posted by Khalaf: ^^^Come on man! No woman is out of reach….all it takes is patience…….they play hard to get….but with right kind of skills u can break um down! :cool: Khalaf, I meant the job our girl here was bragging about. I wouldn't advise any man to sweat that much for a woman or learn patience he doesn't have to deal with their shenanigans. These days, you can line them up and choose the best out of them without raising a finger Tyjwania I understand why you want to keep your profession private in a public forum like this, however, that deepens the mystery for me, it is not clear how your job draws jealousy out of men. besides, while you are an independent woman who relies solely on herself for a lot of things, a woman resolute with a free spirit, you can never find a sabstitute for what a man can offer you so that you feel utterly complete and in place.

^ waa is faanisay cambaro-bishy. I am just curious about what you do for a living. It must be something out of reach for the average Faraxs like me.

^ Bro wixii private ah in la sheego ma ahan good or bad, plus waa gabar qofkaa la hadleesid, being gentle with her is the way to go hadday kaa gardaran tahay xataa, don't get carried away.

Originally posted by TenaciousSoul*: i had to live this day to see this? amazing. whomever is believing in this meaningless article (including the initiator) i wish u do not marry a career oriented sisters, because that would mean another loser is out of the high list of approaches Tenacious, career women aren't my type anyway, so I won't break a limb being left out of the high list of approaches Bilan. The article has its value. For instance, I wasn't expecting western liberals and beliviers in absolute materialism to question their fundamental tenets (money and power) because of a prevalent social ill they are struggling with. We may or may not share any of their problems, at least as far as I know about somalis, but nonetheless a worthy article.

Originally posted by Amelia: ^ You've officially hit rock bottom. Khayr thinks the article is well suited to be taught in schools to desacrilize the two income households or so called career women Gar laba nin(let me be fair and add ----> )naagood kama wada qosliso. Btw, wow! those posts of me you linked from my early days, I sound strange. Hadda waan caqliyay and joined the senile wise men's club I am very comfortable now.

LOL, this is what happens when people decide without prophetic source what is good for the dead.

Heesta calankiinna miraheeda maxaa waaye? And will they sing one when somalilanders come to the conference?

Suldaanka, Waa runtaa saaxib, they should go it slow and strengthen their gains rather than embark on unproductive missions. The TFG should never be welcomed to Muqdisho. To welcome these Old corrupted men is like setting fire on your own home. They represent the worst of our society and many of them have been with us ever since somali government existed. It is time they went home.

I heard this telephone shukaansi is very popular and you don't even have to know who you are calling. Waxaa la dhahaa "Ku Nasiibso" meaning "try your luck" which means you call any number in Muqdisho and if a female answers you have your date provided she is willing to talk to you and doesn't hang up on you. My mother ignored my telephone calls few times before when I called her during evenings in Muqdisho. Her explanation was that I should have called the usual times she expected to recieve calls from me to avoid other callers from the city who are looking for women to seduce. Very funny.

We take things and people for granted after a while forgetting how life has been or not giving a thought how it would be without them. I think a man who understands the sacrifice a woman makes to take care of her house, maintain her marriage and raise kids with him can never be negligent in expressing his gratitude and love for his other half. Some women are clingy and demand too much on top of all the pressures the world has to throw at one, but for those women out there doing their best without demanding too much, they deserve the best in the world and more than a day out for town or a flower. This is why I love my mother, may Allah forgive her and give her a place in his paradise.

^ You are right, men are insecure and they can't help it, but too much emphasis on one thing leads to the negligence of another equally important, don't you think so? Striking a balance between marriage responsibilities and careers are important. And this goes for both men and women Who earns how much is not important but some of the other issues found in the study are detrimental.

Valenteenah, this is true for nonsomalis. Tell me what you didn't like about the article if you read it beyond the hateful title

Source: forbes.com Michael Noer 08.22.06, 6:00 AM ET Guys: A word of advice. Marry pretty women or ugly ones. Short ones or tall ones. Blondes or brunettes. Just, whatever you do, don't marry a woman with a career. Why? Because if many social scientists are to be believed, you run a higher risk of having a rocky marriage. While everyone knows that marriage can be stressful, recent studies have found professional women are more likely to get divorced, more likely to cheat, less likely to have children, and, if they do have kids, they are more likely to be unhappy about it. A recent study in Social Forces, a research journal, found that women--even those with a "feminist" outlook--are happier when their husband is the primary breadwinner. Not a happy conclusion, especially given that many men, particularly successful men, are attracted to women with similar goals and aspirations. And why not? After all, your typical career girl is well-educated, ambitious, informed and engaged. All seemingly good things, right? Sure…at least until you get married. Then, to put it bluntly, the more successful she is the more likely she is to grow dissatisfied with you. Sound familiar? In Pictures: Nine Reasons To Steer Clear Of Career Women Many factors contribute to a stable marriage, including the marital status of your spouse's parents (folks with divorced parents are significantly more likely to get divorced themselves), age at first marriage, race, religious beliefs and socio-economic status. And, of course, many working women are indeed happily and fruitfully married--it's just that they are less likely to be so than non-working women. And that, statistically speaking, is the rub. To be clear, we're not talking about a high-school dropout minding a cash register. For our purposes, a "career girl" has a university-level (or higher) education, works more than 35 hours a week outside the home and makes more than $30,000 a year. If a host of studies are to be believed, marrying these women is asking for trouble. If they quit their jobs and stay home with the kids, they will be unhappy ( Journal of Marriage and Family, 2003). They will be unhappy if they make more money than you do ( Social Forces, 2006). You will be unhappy if they make more money than you do ( Journal of Marriage and Family, 2001). You will be more likely to fall ill ( American Journal of Sociology). Even your house will be dirtier ( Institute for Social Research). Why? Well, despite the fact that the link between work, women and divorce rates is complex and controversial, much of the reasoning is based on a lot of economic theory and a bit of common sense. In classic economics, a marriage is, at least in part, an exercise in labor specialization. Traditionally men have tended to do "market" or paid work outside the home and women have tended to do "non-market" or household work, including raising children. All of the work must get done by somebody, and this pairing, regardless of who is in the home and who is outside the home, accomplishes that goal. Nobel laureate Gary S. Becker argued that when the labor specialization in a marriage decreases--if, for example, both spouses have careers--the overall value of the marriage is lower for both partners because less of the total needed work is getting done, making life harder for both partners and divorce more likely. And, indeed, empirical studies have concluded just that. In 2004, John H. Johnson examined data from the Survey of Income and Program Participation and concluded that gender has a significant influence on the relationship between work hours and increases in the probability of divorce. Women's work hours consistently increase divorce, whereas increases in men's work hours often have no statistical effect. "I also find that the incidence in divorce is far higher in couples where both spouses are working than in couples where only one spouse is employed," Johnson says. A few other studies, which have focused on employment (as opposed to working hours) have concluded that working outside the home actually increases marital stability, at least when the marriage is a happy one. But even in these studies, wives' employment does correlate positively to divorce rates, when the marriage is of "low marital quality." The other reason a career can hurt a marriage will be obvious to anyone who has seen their mate run off with a co-worker: When your spouse works outside the home, chances increase they'll meet someone they like more than you. "The work environment provides a host of potential partners," researcher Adrian J. Blow reported in the Journal of Marital and Family Therapy, "and individuals frequently find themselves spending a great deal of time with these individuals." There's more: According to a wide-ranging review of the published literature, highly educated people are more likely to have had extra-marital sex (those with graduate degrees are 1.75 more likely to have cheated than those with high school diplomas.) Additionally, individuals who earn more than $30,000 a year are more likely to cheat. And if the cheating leads to divorce, you're really in trouble. Divorce has been positively correlated with higher rates of alcoholism, clinical depression and suicide. Other studies have associated divorce with increased rates of cancer, stroke, and sexually-transmitted disease. Plus divorce is financially devastating. According to one recent study on "Marriage and Divorce's Impact on Wealth," published in The Journal of Sociology, divorced people see their overall net worth drop an average of 77%. So why not just stay single? Because, academically speaking, a solid marriage has a host of benefits beyond just individual "happiness." There are broader social and health implications as well. According to a 2004 paper entitled "What Do Social Scientists Know About the Benefits of Marriage?" marriage is positively associated with "better outcomes for children under most circumstances," higher earnings for adult men, and "being married and being in a satisfying marriage are positively associated with health and negatively associated with mortality." In other words, a good marriage is associated with a higher income, a longer, healthier life and better-adjusted kids. A word of caution, though: As with any social scientific study, it's important not to confuse correlation with causation. In other words, just because married folks are healthier than single people, it doesn't mean that marriage is causing the health gains. It could just be that healthier people are more likely to be married.

Originally posted by Amelia: I'm just curious, which one of Gm 's 39 posts did the trick? I can usually remember the post where I fall on or off some1's admiration bangwagon. I guess I should illustrate with an example. I fell on Xoogsade 's bandwagon here and fell off it there (and has been spiralling downwards since) I see I must have been on your mind for you to dedicate a post for me. Quite contradictory to your showy assertion that you have fallen off my wagon. We will get back on track again. I am still "me" and never changed Besides, Aniga qudheyda waan aqriyay the few posts GM has posted out of curiousity and decided the posts weren't that substantial to drive a lady nuts over a man. There has to be more. It is not the 39 posts that did the brainwashing but what went possibly in private after the initial attraction I say.

Check the 12th picture from top. Seems everyone turned out to be ikhwaan much to the chagrin of Old Miskiin Macruuf Aqyaar ) Maki Xaji 12th pic

Originally posted by Dhubad: quote: The man, il-presidente qasiim has a nerve, guess what his press release went out in a letter head for the Somali president.Does he seriously still think he is president. Sxb, it says "Al-saabiq" , which means previous president. Do you think he is that stup*d? Carabiga ma yaqaano duqa hala yaabin.

This is good. let us hope the courts expedite addressing and correcting past wrongs.

ICU is the only alternative and every other political entity should be dismissed. The TFG should never be allowed to exist anymore and must be denied any claim to somali leadership. I think it is cheap propaganda to say the courts threatened Puntland. Puntland is not Cadde Muse and his rule. Puntland doesn't manage the affairs of other somalis outside its bounderies so Cadde Muse's bellicose response to the courts move to Mudug was naked aggression to which the courts replied wisely. The answer from now on should be a full blown war on the TFG and their sponsors in Baydhabo. There is no TFG worthy of anything so we hope to see their accelerated demise and disappearance from our lives.

Plus this: Maxkamadda Islaamiga ah ee degmooyinka Xamar weyne iyo Xamar Jabjab oo bilowday Hanti isu celinta Dadkii horey xoogga looga heystay. Maxkamadaha oo manuucay dhoofinta dhuxusha, Jarista dhirta I.W.M Give creedit where it is due

Geedi built a brand new home in Nairobi according to a news article I read few months back, I don't know how accurate such information is but he may have looted already Meesha A/Y aa ku qatan trying to build an army that has no moral ground to stand upon with most of them defecting weekly to the courts or to their respective clan areas complaining about mistreatment and injustice. He neither presides over a country as presidents are nor is he effective in anything, they rendered him useless or rather he rendered himself useless. This is due in large part to his inability to change and understand Somalis are different today, his unwise association with and servitude to Amxaaro. He also confuses clan with a nation. Hadduu caqli leeyahay he would have come to Muqdisho long ago when the opportunity presented itself to him and negotiate for his leadership because that is what he wanted all along since maturity, to rule, to rule, to rule. Ilaahaan ka magan galnay inaan diin xukun jacayl dartii uga baxno laakiin nimanka A/Y oo kale ah ma caqliyaan weligood. The courts would have been happy serving him if he would accept the new realities on the ground. Islam is here to stay and clan politics are dead for the most part, so if the TFG wants to survive(an unlikely event), they should: A- Abandon IGAD B- Declare islam is the law of the land C- Come to Muqdisho and dismiss the entire government with the exception of the president(for technical reasons and getting fellow clanists on board this would be acceptable), then new parliament of islamists from all clans should be put together and somalis should be on their way afterwards uniting the country with ferocity crashing anyone or any clan who stands on the way. We need to get rid of these clan fiefdoms spreading and taking roots in the country, satellite clan states that serve the interests of Ethiopia. This is impossible but that is what I think should happen Asap.