looool, Juje aan ka biloowno Alle-Ubaahne. Odaga Aweeskuu ku khafiifay kistoo.

Alla-Ubaahne, this visit is symbolic. Shariif xasan will go back to Baydhabo and predictably it will be difficult for him to achieve anything. Nabadeena hanaloo xajiyo and the islamic laws Allah bestowed on us. That is what matters. Dowlad meesha kama soo socoto. Abshir BACADLE put it well when he said: Raxmadi iyo nabadii Rabiggey nooma kala reebin Maraakiibta raranoo marsada rogaya saabaanka Diyaaraadka raxan raxan u degi raacid iyo keenis Roob nagama koco tuugadii sidaan u raacdeynay INSHA ALLAAH rajadu waa Tigraha inaan ka reynaaye If the courts can keep to that front line without a war confining the warlords to baydhabo, that is good enough.

Aaway kii labada shariif hab isa siinaayeen? kaas soo geli Juujoow

^ If it helps you look good and feel good in some ways saxib, I am Like OLOL or worse, a clanist who doesn't want to be percieved as innocent and proud of his bigotry against others. I am for the clan, live by the code, don't care about faith and feel quite accomplished in that sorry state of affairs. Adiga waxba dadka kale ha i tusinine, ducada iigu soo dadaal, cause I honestly need your prayers

http://www.dayniile.com/November/5november5.htm Happy photos, meetings, hopes, off to baydhabo and nothing as usual.

Horn, Waa runtaa, I don't belong here. The political section has eroded my characteristics and I find myself responding to the naked bigotry some made use of in relation to other somalis. I don't belong here and I have no problem admitting that. I am happy if I go by a day inwhich I don't contribute and usually find myself saying "Thank God" I didn't reply to that or to this. That is how self-conscious and hateful of the section I have become knowing perpetual presence in it will turn me into what I hate the most. This is why I am telling Duke to be mindful of the readers because they are as much caring about the issues concerning their communities as he is. Laakiin indhuhuu is tiraa. Anyway, adiga horn ahaan, I know inaa diinta wax kasoo baratay, laakiin qabiilkaa kaa adag. Very strange for someone educated both in islam and in secular education to be like you when it comes to clan issues. I love bro Xiin simply because while he respects his clan, he sides with what is correct or gives people the benefit of the doubt if he disagrees with them. Allamagan is another good guy, very cosmopolitan. Adiga reer magaal oo kale xataa uma dhaqantid. Typical reer mudug oo qabiilka kasoo horeeyo. You gave me a second thought about being here anyway, all for the positive, I don't belong here. I am healthy when I don't read some of the garbage written around. One obvious fact is that to some, no matter what good another somali embraces, they look at the clan the person hails from. Xadkooda waa intee? Islaanimo dad in lagula dhaqmana lama oggola, hadhoow markii dad qabiilka aaminsan sidoodoo kale awoodda yeeshaan oo dhibaato timaadana eedda waa sideedii. Damned if you do damned if you don't. Take Care now.

^ hope it is not the pricniple of ina-adeerism which you have a nag for usually people's reasoning get skewed when they learn the names of forty grandfathers Xitaa nebiga cs wuxuu ku ekaa 22 stopping at Ismaaciil though somehow somalis(some) managed to count up to forty. Obsession indeed. Anyway, kitaabadaadii ku noqo. Diinta waa taqaanaa, your role is lacking.

Duke, You need to learn about "being logical" then if you consider what you write about other clans a "debate". One more chance for you to be civilezed normal thinker and one with logical thoughts. To help you out with that, avoid the principal forms of illogical thinking, the Ad hominem fallacies, The straw man fallacy, False assumptions, Substituting for the force of reason, reductionism, special pleadings and simplistic reasoning, above all, Ilaaha ku abuurtay ka cabso ee arka not only what you write but what you hide in your heart. You are denying other clans their basic rights assaulting their dignity and take all that is good with you yet expect these same clans you call for their blood to be part of your organization. Is there more pathetic reasoning than that? If you believe other somalis have the right to fully participate in the political process and system, can compete when they have a better proposal, when they are seeking change for a better future, if you beleived that, then you would accept to deal with them rather than calling for their blood shamelessly. Dowlad is not Dowlad if it doesn't meet requirements. just because it is called a Dowlad doesn't make it one. It has to earn support. No blind following, no loyalty to the leader unless he deserves it. People have the right to challenge what they know to be a farce. Marka, if you are interested in a debate, there are rules and guidelines first of which is honesty. As for indhacadde, why can't you accept his presence in the politics as you have accepted Qeybdiid, Ina Aydid and others as a boast for your cause? Horn. Dhaciifnimada iska dhaaf saxib. You sound weak and I worry about it. You can do better than yelling from the corners with faint cheap comments.

Ninkaan duke wax sharafuu leeyahay malahan, intaas qabiillo islaameed yuu afka kula jiraa isagoo cadeystay sida uu u jecel yahay in dayuurado lala dhaco oo dhammantood markii lagu daro caruur iyo ciroole la gumaado. Waxaanse la yaabanahayy caadifadda qabiilee isaga ka cabaadineysa ma moodo inay dadka kalee aqrista qurunkiisa ku jirto. Ninka sidaanoo kale ah oo weliba matala soomaali badan ee la qabta fikradahan jaahiliyada islaamka sal ka ku heysa yaa lagu leeyahay daris la noqo oo wax la wadaag. Dowlad la qeybso. He just reminds me wallahi waddankii dhisnaa waxa madaxa u rogay, waa niman sidiisoo kale musuqmaasuq iyo munaafaqnimo kula dhex jiray soomaalida ee eheladii isku diray dadkiina kala dilay. Dagaaldii soke ee diin ka baxa ahaa waxba weli kama faa'iidin sida ka muuqato. Duke, afkaaga ka reebo qabiillada xamar deggan. they have every right to refuse what they see as corrupt faithless men whose sole purpose is to rule them without accountability. Ma qasabaa haddaysan dadku rabin waxid calmaani ah allah yalcanu ee diintaba la dagaalsan? Dowladi ma jirtee afkaaga halaga nabad galo islaam haddaad tahay. Haddiise diinta sida ka muuqata wararkaaga waxba aysan kuula dhignayn, ogoow inaad ku xad gudbeyso dareenka soomaalida qabiillada kale afar iyo labaatan saacadood nacaybka aad u qabto meelaha la taagan tahay. Islaamka ha la isugu yimaado, haddii la diido, wax ka dhexeeya dadka ma jiraan ee fadlan dowladnimada adigu qaadoo afkaaga halaga nabad galo. Qabiiliiste inuu wax ilaahay ka fog yahay meeshaana laga arkaa wallahi. Diinxumida iyo usluub ximada dhaqan u ah.

I understand bro, it is a valid concern, good intentioned lad he is. That is what matters. No one is perfect. But in the event of a war, the good will come out triumphant as they did few months ago inshallah. Death with dignity or freedom and safety from the likes of A/Y. It is like how the American phrase goes, give me liberty or give me death. Sharafaa lagu noolaadaa ama lagu dhintaa.

Good read Saxib, inshallah the good shall triumph over the warlords in Baydhabo.

Bring your evidence in where I supported Indhocade's crimes or anyone else for that matter and I will be guilty as charged. Others are welcome to help you too if they are interested. My question still stands, do you duke believe that somalis are like YOU who love and respect their clans? Do you acknowledge people have feelings for their clans like you and would go at any length to protect their clan? You can tell me why you are afraid to answer the question. Very simple to answer.

Duke, you didn't answer my question, do you believe somalis are like you who love and respect their clan? yes or no will suffice it. Thanks.

Let us face it, without duke's blind loyalty to A/Y and bringing the written materials to support his argument, the political section would be as boring as the women's section Cuntaan cunaayaa hadda as I take few moments here and there to submit my posts, sweet isn't it? Hadhoow intee laga helaa baashaalkaan? lol. Duke Horta ma aamin santahay saxib in soomaalida kale qabiilkooda u jecl yihiin sidaada oo kale?

Caaqil, Duke is cool and would take your advise. You just have to wait for a few days untill this threat to A/Y's power fades away. As you saw, Duke thinks Shariif's peace mission to Muqdisho undermines A/Y. He acted this way last time around ethiopian troop deployment were rejected by the parliament and for days Shariif was his target. Happiness of duke and his logical thinking depends on how A/Y is doing any given day in the political arena. try another day saxib although you have done a good job in trying to point him towards the right direction.

Allamagan Waa iga qoslisay with the "abuukar baale" training af-guduud loool. Haye, abuukar baalahaan intee iga soo galaa mise waxaa ka wadaa yacni koo aan isku qabiil nahay oo calooshiis u shaqeeste waaye training the multi-clan soldiers of the TFG? When it comes to the TFG, the diversity is in the parliament and in the ministerial positions but not in the TFG militia. Even if you would name some clans, they would be few compared to the many who are notably absent and who could give the TFG what it needs as an inclusive organization. May be you count warlord Qeybdiid being an entire clan(you mentioned reer hobyo) or qanyare's bodyguads and maxamed dheere's handful contributions as an apology for charging high rent to A/Y in his Jowhar days. Jimcaale. You are right, peace is the best option. Laakiin saxib, we always said islam is the solution and we have it now. How islam can unite people and solve their differences manifested itself in Muqdisho. Islam made such solution possible in Muqdisho. My fear is that the TFG as a clan based organization and system of governing will re-introduce the same ills and clan sentiments now tamed under the islamic laws. The TFG itself won't be effective in enforcing policies if some segment of the society deems the policies unjust or offensive to them for no apparent reason. Like what happened in Baydhabo and the ensuing violence. The locals in wherever the TFG rules will be resentful. The only effective method of governing somalis is islam. Soomaalida xukunka aaday u jecel yihiin and they tie it to their success. See how some of us glow by A/Y's visits to china as if they are being honoured in some personal ways. Umadaan saxib islaam iyo in madaxa laga garaaco besaa lagu hayn karaa, haddii kale, it is back to clan fights and nin reer hebel ka dhashay nama xukumi karo ama saan ma yeeli karo. Somalis will never mature out of clan servitude. It is islam or permanent confusion. With the TFG's success and dominance, God have mercy on Somalis.

Duke, There is always opportunity for him to be a hero of the people and walk that funny reer mudug walk on the red carpets: He comes to Muqdisho without Amxaaro and opts for peace. All will be forgotten.

Allagaman, That was before but not now. When the TFG was based in jowhar, they were successful in recruiting militias from different regions/clans into their army. But subsequent political events reduced those militias to one major clan. I don't know how successful members of the TFG hailing from Gedo were in recruiting men for the TFG. I know they tried and it was in the news. You can google "ciidamada ka baxsaday" or something akin to that if you want and see it for yourself how many of those militias recruited from Baladweyne, Shabellada dhexe/hoose and etc abandoned the TFG camps. Some were even fired upon when they were fleeing. Saransoor left with his militia and I am certain Xaabsade is the ultimate ruler of the local militia whether they are part of the TFG or not. Haye, That leaves Militias from puntland who came to jowhar originally and those who were sent by Cadde Muse later and joined them in baydhabo. Even Cadde Muse had difficult time convincing many from Laascaanood who were part of the Puntland soldiers to come to Baydhabo because they said priorities were defending their turf and keeping the locals secure. There was an interview about that on BBC inwhich the man from there said they differed with Cadde on the issue and that same man who was in the leadership position managed to convince many of the militia whose destiny was Baydhabo to remain put where they were stationed. Anyhow, however you look at the TFG, it is failing on many fronts largely because the President and Geeddi forgot they were leading a reconciliation government with one mission, bring peace between somalis and start the healing process, redress wrongs and show they were men for the people. They opted for a war when they shouldn't and that is what they will get, a war. Xukun qasab ma jiro, if one can't win the support of the people he is supposed to rule, he quits and goes home.

There is nothing in the picture but a morally and ethically bankrupt politician. Imagine a profile that reads like this among the dignitaries: "A guy holed up in a small town who imported foreign legions to fight his people on his behalf on a reconciliation mandate so uncaring in the picture you can swear his demeanor is one of "yea, they call me president and everyone should deal with it, that is all i wanted in life and I got it". If this is not pathetic, I don't know what is. An embarrassment of sort runtii rather. But then again, dadka qaarkood waxaa wax kasta kala muhiimsan magaca jagada regardless of the utter failures they see associated with it.

There is no somali army in baydhabo. Only one clan militia brought there by A/Y and some more sent by Cade Musse lately. A somali army is one which consists of different somali clans united on a purpose and happy to serve their country. Efforts by the TFG to enlist all clans failed and the military wing of the TFG thus has taken a clan face after its failure. It seems all parties interested to serve there are warlords who do not represent their clansmen. Who wants to serve in an organization openly hostile to the people when the same organization was supposed to be a reconciliatory and transitional one? at least the attribute of uniting different somalis can be given to the courts as of now. They are made of indeed many somalis united on islam and others with stellar patriotism whereas A/Y's army are donated ethiopians and militia from his clan. Bal noo sheeg qabiilka kalee ku weheliyo meesha ee soomaalida sheegta? The local militia were sent back the other day because the ethiopians considered them untrust-worthy and back-stabbers. The TFG is neither a somali government that serves the interests of all somalis nor an organization that merits anything other than contempt. I don't understand why the courts keep insisting on working with these stooges in Baydhabo. They should declare the organization worthless and move on and they will find plenty of us supporting them for doing that. Lama soo dhoweesto tuugadii waddanka u sabab ahaa inay burburiyaan ee qabiil u dirirka ahaa weligood. Nin qabiil aaminsan soomaali ma xukumi karo so the courts are wasting our time trying to talk to the same old corrupt men who turned somalia upside down with their clan wars.

Qeybdiid wanted to kill as many residents as he could as stated by him publicly and the courts had to keep that in mind, hence, the slow move towards his base and the how many days it took them to disarm his militia with intermittent peace overtures by clan elders and a promise to talk this insane man to disarm and leave the city. That war took place when the courts were not as coherent as they are now and they faced many fronts. Today, if war commences, it will be bloody and many who were not part of the courts will join motivated to fight by the ethiopian soldiers defiling somalilands and killing somali fellows. Some might cheer on for the ethiopians but certainly for many somalis it will be personal with clan politics taking a backseat once the bullets start killing somalis. Where there is a will, there is a way and this war is decidedly one somalis will be coming out victorious inshallah against Amxaaro and their stooges in baydhabo. Geerida waxay dhibtaa ninka dhoofka ku yimid ee cabsida ku nool habeen iyo maalin. Waxaa qasaaray jamaacada Qeybdiid u noqday a source of encouragement. Baydhabana habeen madoowaa loola cararay by elders ee haddii la qaban lahaa waxaa laga dhigi lahaa a good example.

^ I quenstioned if the individual concerned here was raised with manners, a valid question people ask time and again when they see an ill-mannered person. Hypocrisy and lack of manners are attributes one can tell when they look at someone's behaviour But rape is different altogether. I hold in contempt people who when they open their mouths or write something spew such baseless accusations and slander against others just because people they insult hail from clans they don't like. How does somalipride know these mostly old and the middle aged men took part in rapes? Aqlaaq xumo waaye hadalkaas unless you are cool with and excusing such filth accusations. Taliyaha ayaa sheegay in ciidamada ay ahaayeen kuwa si gaar ah isku urursaday islamarkaana aan ka qeybqaadan dagaaladii sokeeye ee dalka ka dhacay. Sidoo kale waxa uu ka warramay in ciidamada qalabka sida ee xoogga dalka Soomaaliyeed ay yihiin kuwa aan ku dhaqmin heyb iyo beel balse ay doonayaan nidaam shaqeeya oo ay la shaqeeyaan. halkan That is what one of their leaders said about these old men, they haven't participated in any clan war and came together as a group giving no credence to clan affliation. He is saying also they want a system they can work with. These old men are forced into this by an old enemy they have gone to war with and would have stayed neutral as they were before. I am not interested in meaningless talk, so waqtiga ha iga lumin. Adiga qudhaada meel baa lagaa heestaa.

Insulting other somalis shows in what kind of home one was raised. Seriously, qof waalidkiis aqlaaq soo bareen uma af xuma qofka somalipride la baxay oo kale. I hope this mannerless bigoted to no end individual is not a woman. How contemptible. As for these old soldiers who should have retired instead of getting involved in a war this late in their life, wax dadnimadooda nuqsaan tahay yaa amxaaro usoo kaxaystay, so it makes sense for them to fight back despite their ragged and poor looks. Soomaaliya waxaa baab'iyiyay waa dadka meeshaan aqlaaq xumada kusoo qor qoro oo kale oo ka haystay meelo bulshada ay saamayn ku yeelan karaan. Waxanoo kale soomaali intay ku dhex jiraan horumar lama gaaraayo. Dadkaan miyaan adaab la soo barin? How do we deal with qofaan diin heysan? because Qofka ilaah aaminsan afkiisa waa laga nabad galaa but I see a lot of hypocrites who made a habit of insulting others.

This must be a project in the works then? They should contact development agencies that donate money to projects like this. I would try Bill Gates as well since he and his wife set up a fund for education. I am not sure they will care about such a remote place as Somalia, but I think it is worth a try even if few thousands can be obtained by contacting them. The war-torn status of Somalia can make these filthy rich westerners sympathetic may be. Nice job reer gedo, I mean, reer ohaio

I realize one thing, if you related to a warlord, even islam in your heart won't help you see the light. Qabiilka waa sixir.