Originally posted by Jimcaale: Close but not real. Andy doesn't just report the news. He makes it up. He's one of my favorite bloggers. The Borowitz Report. See him in YouTube Thanks for the links bro. The article seems genuine enough to confuse readers. If people didn't know the Clintons better, this article would be unquestionable. A side of the Clintons that would have never been exposed came to light during this race. You have to wonder if there is ever a genuine white politician who transcends racial bigotry.

^ Geeljire, That is one funny article "Lord Knows I do" is something clinton said often in so many different ways when he was denying Monica fiasco. The guy is a prick who cares about nothing. That was the best entretainment on TV back then.

How real is this saxib? lool, it seems satire. Come on, this can never happen. Way too funny

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: ^^Ragga qaarkii waxaa laga yaabaa inay haruubkii dhiisha ee ceelka ku dhacay u barooranayyaan! However, I believe those who are genuine in their opposition to the latest efforts will eventually come home if these talks succeed! I think we shall leave it there, saaxiib! The concern is real and the dangers are present unlike Haruub dhiil ceel ku dhacay. If you can send a wadaan down the well to recover the haruub, so be it as well. Both ways are better than sitting on your hands and take whatever someone dishes out to you or accept ignobility. I believe "success" will mean the end of occupation and Somalia's affairs left to Somalis whether the parties meeting afterwards are crooks or patriots. Somalia's affairs is exclusively for somalis. As long as Ethiopia is represented and her surrogates are what we have to contend with, this issue will remain permanently difficult to solve. PS:Everyone who opposes the TFG for whatever reason is better today than someone who lends a hand to the TFG in my book bro.

Well bro Xiin, the reality is, the TFG members know they are not popular and nobody wants them, so they have to do what they have been doing, stall, lie, and cry foul for their own survival, so the question is, how long do we have to deal with this? What is the solution when you know you have no honest partner for peace? War nimankaan iyadoo la ogyahay inay dulli yihiin yaa xukunka loo daayay, we all kept our quite for the sake of Somalis and Somalia, almost everyone who hates their guts today supported the TFG objectives for the greater good. You see now where that put us, worse than before. What is the solution aside from a war you are forced to fight? Like I said, the TFG can ask for forgiveness and declare they have been wrong and they want Ethiopia out. There may be a chance for their easy transition out of Somali politics. PS:Saxib, adigaa meel khatar ah madaxa la galay ee jawaabaha kulul iskaga dulqaado bro, I personally don't like to see brothers treat you as they would treat a blind TFG supporter. Join us saxib, let us be all warriors I can't stand honest peaceniks who are gullible LOL.

Nothing will come out of this given the fact that the TFG warlords want to survive the onslaught whereas others want to ensure the end of Ethiopian occupation. The two can never see eye-to-eye ever and meeting with the Xabashi representatives(The TFG piglets) only means letting them know how somalis want an end to occupation and to see Xabashi boots out of the country. Warlords won't accept such proposals as their bunkers in Muqdisho and baydhabo are heavily guarded by the Xabashis without whom Somalis would flay their skin. And that is known to any somali who sees issues for what they are today. I honestly think of it as an insult and profoundly demeaning to call or consider the TFG thugs "somalis". Such courtesy gives them dignity they don't have and never had. Such view is at odds with what it means to be a somali and muslim. If the TFG wants to ask for forgiveness, they are welcome and they must abdicate their positions and leave somalis alone, non of them should stay on, if not, and their aim is what we all know it is, to survive and buy another day to keep burying Somalia and somalis deeper into perdition, it is a war, nothing less. Meeting them or not meeting them, the aim is to get rid of them period.

Originally posted by Seekknowledge: They predicted then caused it. Wake up brothers these people's ideology is very dangerous. They don't want peace they want to force people on their born again muslim ideology. They will never agree on any peace talks unless you guys all accept the Wahhabi brand of islam. You should weep naxdin darteed instead of blaming the Shuyuuqs for their prophetic prediction. They have caused nothing as they were and are freemen who have every right to protect, fight and wage wars on anybody transgressing on their land and violating their dignity. Somalia is no more and we need to fight tooth and nail to save the coming generation from humiliation and becoming subjects of Xabashis. We need to revive our culture and pride in our freedom. We need to be like our forefathers who used to say: Dabeyshaan la socod ahay Sal fudaydna uma kaco Waabaay Sunaan Ahay Marna Samawadaan Ahay Samir Baan Hagoogtaa Ninkaan tayda soli karin Uma yeelo suu rabo Ninka iga sad roonoow Siintaada magaca leh Ogoow kaama sugayee Hana Oran Sasabo Badow Dareen Seexdo malihiyoo Soomaali Baan Ahay These brave and freedom loving somalis are replaced by useless breed who take pride in slavery and being surrogates for warlords, xabashis and for anybody who wants to rape somali women. Jimcaale Okay bro, that is good to know. I thought inaa aqoon u lahayn sheekha. We shouldn't be discouraged by the devision among somalis saxib. We need to move forward with what we have. let the rest join us or abandon us, it is their call.

I met Sheekh Nuur Ali Olow, and some of his first cousins, Reer muse Colow men, all elders and bright men, may Allah have mercy on them all. I was lucky to attend and listen to the Sheekh's Lectures on Monotheism for two weeks as a kid. What a man, he left a legacy of towhid among somalis. A true somali and one who cared about his society's caqiidah. Jimcaale would do good buying the Sheekh's lectures. Khuraafada wuu ka bixi lahaa. KooraTuunshe, the article is a load of crap and clanist in Orientation since you posted it(that is my evidence), can't be bothered to read with what you posted and agreed with.

Yes, Gedo. Many were indifferent like today and thought it was internal clan conflict with one side bringing Amxaaro to defeat the other within their own clan. Islamic oriented somalis disagreed of course with that notion. Those who could fought both the Xabashis and their somali guides while others lent their moral support. A peaceful and prospering region with somalis from all clans was destroyed. And the region is still occupied with Ethiopia dictating who rules and who doesn't. They are never far away and a phone call from any of their surrogates brings their power to towns in that region.

http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=_fwbrQYZDc0&feature=related You will have no doubts about the TFG and their Supporters. This is what I have been looking for all along. See and listen to what they say about the Somalis who excuse the Ethiopian involvement in our affairs and who equate our conflict with Ethiopia to somali clan wars. Waxaad moodda Mashaayiqda inay ka warqabeen dadka meeshaan wax kusoo qorqora qaarkood. Enjoy the clip or die for your bitterness depending.

Originally posted by Abtigiis & Tolka: Xoogsade; arintii ma been bay noqotay. Ilaahayoow ka dhig. Maya Abtigiis, to my knowledge. I was pointing out to somalipride that if the news turns out to be false(a propaganda effort as he put it), all the better, cause we all want this news to be false and unsubstantiated. somalipride If you were rationaly thinking, you would realize media scrutiny and its independence from government influence serves a good purpose, alas, you are emotional and can't deal with the glaring failures of the TFG and by some measure Cade Muse's ailing government flops. These two provide the ammunition others need to condemn them. In addition to that, if the TFG and Puntland admin have nothing to hide, they wouldn't worry about media scrutiny. I don't know how free Puntland media is but assume they have better opportunities to report than Muqdisho media outlets. Pressure on these two must be relentless on all fronts, more so on the TFG than on Puntland. There is a war going on and we need to know what happens from reliable somali sources not from a piecemouth of mele denying everything to avoid condemnation.

Originally posted by Hunguri: Nepathy, Anigu adigu meeshaad ku jirtid ayaan ku jiraa Almuhim, waar meeshan waxaa ka dhacay abtirsasho. Hebelaa adeerkeey ah, hebel baa ina adeerkeey ah. Anigaa reer Qansax Qawdhan kasoo jeeda. Nin-kan Duke isagu beri hore ayuu caddaystay warkiisa. Oo Abdillaahi waa adeerkiis. Laakiin, odaygii Xoogsade ahaa ayuu maryihii ka dhigay. Waakaas wuxuu marinayaa anigu reer hebel ayaan ahay! Dad kaluu aniga daraaday dusha uga saarnaa, I had to let him know he got it all wrong saxib LOL. Waakaase hadduu run sheegaayo qabiilkaan ka dhashay wax haka sheego. He won't cause the warlord hailing from them is serving A/Y and the Xabashis. Berrito marku maqlo they joined the insurgents in droves and abandoned ship, that is when it will get dicy for my ilk

^ LOL Abtigiis, Somalipride muusan oggolaadeen in la dhiibo nimanka considering how he denies the men were handed over. Somalipride, verify the news saxib, then come back with what you think.

Somalipride, BBC had interviewed earlier today one of the relatives of the said victims. We would all be glad if the news turns out to be false, after all, that is what you and the rest of us want to be the truth. Listen to it and judge it for yourself. Me Gartay bro. Some of us may be doing more than writing posts but don't want to share. Who is to know saxib?

^ Iima kala soocno saxib, Xabashida nimanka qabqablayaashaaba kasii xun markii la eego damiirkooda. I listened to Maxamed Dheere once say Amxaarada waa walaalaheen biyaha aan u qaadno markay dagaal galaayaan, A/Yna maalin dhow markii la waaniyay waxaa laga sheegay inuu yiri "nasabka saaxibnimadaaa ka muhiimsan" yacni xabashida iyo isaga waa saaxiib soomaalidaan la gumaadaayana waxaa uga wanaagsan Xabashida gumaadeyso si kursi uusan manaafacaad ku heysanin isaga magacawnaado. Soomaalinimo kuma jirto. Dhunkaal Faarax Barre nin la dhaho oo aan aniga aqoon u lahayn laakiin aan ku bartay gabay uu ka tiriyay nimankaan qabqablayaasha ayuu ugu dhameeyay war: Geyigeena oo xora annagoo dowladnimo gaarnay Gablamaha cadaawuhu watee gadaya Soomaali Ee gibilka inooga eg haddana garan afkii hooyo Alle gowrac gacal maahoo waa Gaalo ubadkeede Geeridii wadaadkii dishaay gurubso gaagaabta Allow guusha haw dhiibin waa garac Tigreeyaade Gudubtadu ha sheegtee nimanka geliya taariikhda. General duke waa ku wareeresaa saxib, ha isku daalin, he would never concede no matter how awful of an event we see on the news, I hope to see him after A/Y, may be the good side of him will appear with the death of his favourite warlord or his disappearance from politics.

^ Iima kala soocno saxib, Xabashida nimanka qabqablayaashaaba kasii xun markii la eego damiirkooda. I listened to Maxamed Dheere once say Amxaarada waa walaalaheen biyaha aan u qaadno markay dagaal galaayaan, A/Yna maalin dhow markii la waaniyay waxaa laga sheegay inuu yiri "nasabka saaxibnimadaaa ka muhiimsan" yacni xabashida iyo isaga waa saaxiib soomaalidaan la gumaadaayana waxaa uga wanaagsan Xabashida gumaadeyso si kursi uusan manaafacaad ku heysanin isaga magacawnaado. Soomaalinimo kuma jirto. Dhunkaal Faarax Barre nin la dhaho oo aan aniga aqoon u lahayn laakiin aan ku bartay gabay uu ka tiriyay nimankaan qabqablayaasha ayuu ugu dhameeyay war: Geyigeena oo xora annagoo dowladnimo gaarnay Gablamaha cadaawuhu watee gadaya Soomaali Ee gibilka inooga eg haddana garan afkii hooyo Alle gowrac gacal maahoo waa Gaalo ubadkeede Geeridii wadaadkii dishaay gurubso gaagaabta Allow guusha haw dhiibin waa garac Tigreeyaade Gudubtadu ha sheegtee nimanka geliya taariikhda. General duke waa ku wareeresaa saxib, ha isku daalin, he would never concede no matter how awful of an event we see on the news, I hope to see him after A/Y, may be the good side of him will appear with the death of his favourite warlord or his disappearance from politics.

^ Iima kala soocno saxib, Xabashida nimanka qabqablayaashaaba kasii xun markii la eego damiirkooda. I listened to Maxamed Dheere once say Amxaarada waa walaalaheen biyaha aan u qaadno markay dagaal galaayaan, A/Yna maalin dhow markii la waaniyay waxaa laga sheegay inuu yiri "nasabka saaxibnimadaaa ka muhiimsan" yacni xabashida iyo isaga waa saaxiib soomaalidaan la gumaadaayana waxaa uga wanaagsan Xabashida gumaadeyso si kursi uusan manaafacaad ku heysanin isaga magacawnaado. Soomaalinimo kuma jirto. Dhunkaal Faarax Barre nin la dhaho oo aan aniga aqoon u lahayn laakiin aan ku bartay gabay uu ka tiriyay nimankaan qabqablayaasha ayuu ugu dhameeyay war: Geyigeena oo xora annagoo dowladnimo gaarnay Gablamaha cadaawuhu watee gadaya Soomaali Ee gibilka inooga eg haddana garan afkii hooyo Alle gowrac gacal maahoo waa Gaalo ubadkeede Geeridii wadaadkii dishaay gurubso gaagaabta Allow guusha haw dhiibin waa garac Tigreeyaade Gudubtadu ha sheegtee nimanka geliya taariikhda. General duke waa ku wareeresaa saxib, ha isku daalin, he would never concede no matter how awful of an event we see on the news, I hope to see him after A/Y, may be the good side of him will appear with the death of his favourite warlord or his disappearance from politics.

^ Me, Dadka xanunaa ka keenaayo warka saxib, venting frustrations seems to be one of the options. It is natural and not disturbing. There is no escape from painful realities that will touch you behind a wall even if you took refuge in isolation. Ilaahay ha u gargaaro dadkeena saxib.

Abtigiis, Did you compose that poem? very touching saxib, and this is no lavish praise, at least, it is not meant to be. With regards to the rape of women in Muqdisho, It is not the Xabashis alone doing it, TFG militia do prey on the defenseless neighbourhoods at night in Waaberi according to several news articles I read, one them I quoted in this very forum from credible sources.

Abtigiis, Did you compose that poem? very touching saxib, and this is no lavish praise, at least, it is not meant to be. With regards to the rape of women in Muqdisho, It is not the Xabashis alone doing it, TFG militia do prey on the defenseless neighbourhoods at night in Waaberi according to several news articles I read, one them I quoted in this very forum from credible sources.

Abtigiis, Did you compose that poem? very touching saxib, and this is no lavish praise, at least, it is not meant to be. With regards to the rape of women in Muqdisho, It is not the Xabashis alone doing it, TFG militia do prey on the defenseless neighbourhoods at night in Waaberi according to several news articles I read, one them I quoted in this very forum from credible sources.

Alright Duke, no more arguments necessary, Caydiidna maan caayin, I only shared what I thought of him back then. Uma qaadan karin qof islaam ah inuu qayb ka noqon karo dilkaan arkay, and in fact, most of what I have seen wasn't even in Muqdisho but far away from Muqdisho and the perpetrators were non other than his foes on the otherside committing equal crimes in the name of defense. Both parties were the same to me despite the swearing of many that they were of different breed and civilized than their opponents, I could see the dead beneath their feet slaughtered like a goat. One thing I learned over the years is how somalis are equal in crimes with no group other than minorities being clean. Sida hadda Odagaan A/Y loogu dhoollo cadeynaayo uun baa Caydiidna loogu dhoolla caddayn jiray, the poems, the trips to see him, the shower of praise on him, isma dhaanto iyo dhasheed. I thought people would be different and many have changed, but I am proven wrong. It is 2008 and we still have to contend with warlords and their supporters who glorify them. Funniest part is how people like you think by calling a warlord Mr.president, his dung smells better than others. It is a ridiculous world and mad. The tragedy continues as long as you and people like you don't see your daily contribution to Somalia's demise.

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: ^^I agree he should drag as many folks as he can into this peace initiative. But ultimately the man has to lead. This should not be a matter of preference adeer. Secular or not we need to have some thing resembling a government in Somalia to stop this tragedy. And Sh. Sharif understands that or so I hope! There are a lot of bitterness and anger in some circles and he understands that as well. What’s also unarticulated is the fact that these talks, if they succeed, could be a very effective way of achieving Ethiopia’s withdrawal. The good Sheekh shall at one point articulate and communicate that to the Somali people. And akhiiran yaa racil-Ibil, it’s folks like you who the good Sheekh shall ignore and pay no heed to for they clearly construe his courageous position of entering peace with the current players a political naivety on his part! This is not a video game. Real people are suffering on the ground. Brave are those who do every thing they can to alleviate that suffering. Clearly what the men like Sharif are attempting to do is just that. People will blame him for it though for some still dwell in bitterness and lack good judgment. All they see is the Ethiopian atrocities or the arrogant warlords in Xamar or the injustices that's out there and the innocent people that suffer because of it. Clearly they are not in a position to offer a good counsel for finding peaceful route. And the good Sheekh shall pay no heed to them...the real Jihad is what he has been doing last few weeks and he shall continue doing it... Labada dhinacba waa loo baahan yahay saxib, meel in laga wada waashana ma fiicna, in la iska wada seexdo iyadoo mindida qoorta kaa saaran tahayna waa waalli kale, haddii maanta dagaal aan lala gelin Xabashida, Addunka wuu iska aamusnaan lahaa iyadoo Soomaaliya iyo Dadkeeda tartiib u dhimanaayaan. There are two options and both warrant death anyway. Something good will come out of this struggle, and peace is acceptable only if it comes with good terms. First is freedom to live unmolested and without fear, is difaacuna waa xaq. We know that first important goal in untenable as long as the Xabashis stay put. You would agree now the drive for peace is directly related to the losses and pain inflicted on Ethiopian troops. Xabashi intuu meel soomaali deggan tahay yimi isagoon laga oggoleen iska tagay iskiis taariikhda laguma sheegin.

^ Money, right on the Money.

, Waan qoslay even though I didn't want to, Duke, Horta, I told you countless times, Aniga iyo caydiid waxba makala tirsano, we only branch out into different grandfathers but from the first to three levels down, we share common lineage. In somali parlance, you would call him my Uncle. I render my loyalty on the basis of ideas and beliefs saxib whereas you do the opposite and base your support on who is closest to you by blood. I have observed you praise men when they agreed with A/Y, and vilify them the next morning when they disagree with A/Y on politics. Your yard stick is A/Y. Yours is just blind loyalty to a human being who is not perfect. Sheekh Uwees qabiilkiisaa madaxa kaa maray, waa soomaali saaxib, they are like others who have good and bad in them no less. You target one single clan out of many who are no different from the rest. layzie.G Me and Duke will be best of friends if he gives up on his support for Xabashi occuptaion and Warlord Yusuf. Colaad qoto dheer ma jirto, even in our differences, the unbreakable bond between us exists beneath the surface. Whatever I say to him is from a brother to another who are locked in bitter disagreement. Bad feelings will come to an end once things change for the better.