Originally posted by Violet: I was 4 when I left, so please try again. Fine, I was a kid too when I left the city with my Abtiyaal and never returned to it to this day. That is not the issue, you said you were chased out of there, regardless of your age at the time, leaving town is an experience in your collective memory through family stories which can have an emotional impact on you. Most of you ardent supporters of the TFG have little connection to Muqdisho of today. Your mantra is payback at any cost. All your stance make sense. No somali would support Xabashi occupation of their country without emotional damage I tell ya.

Originally posted by Violet: I was born in Xamar, so try telling that to someone else. I may have been chased out of there, but it's still my city and a Somali city. My family still lives in the south, so maxaa Puntland sheekodaa so dax galeyaay? Go get your glasses abti, I see you're having trouble reading.. That is the key to all your emotional detachment from the City of beauty(it is still beautiful despite years of relentless loot and destraction) that you were chased out of it. Pay back time isn't it? And Xabashis are doing it for ya

Originally posted by Violet: ^Remember what I said about making assumptions, yeah? I'm a TFG supporter and I believe that Mogadishu is a Somali city as does Taako Man.. so there you go. Not really, if you believed Muqdisho is a somali city, you would have respected its sanctity and never cheerleaded for Xabashi troops occupying it. The simple fact that you are happy with the Xabashi presence in it proves what you think of that town and how far removed you are from it. I doubt you would be supporting such occupation in Bosaso or Garowe with Ethiopian Army bombing at night the city residents. You are and were for your clan remember? All you say have no merit because you simply admitt your views are based on your clanish sentiments. Taako Man Geedi is a traitor and may be worse than A/Y given the opportunity. He doesn't count as representative of Muqdisho for if he cared about that town and its residents, he would never let A/Y ride an ethiopian tank on his way to Muqdisho. The fact that this guy and others like him were in collusion with A/Y on the Xabashi invasion testifies that no one among the TFG trully represented the wishes of Muqdisho residents. Geedi is reer xamar for you A/Y supporters because it satisfied your wicked claims of inclusiveness. For others, he is nothing but a traitor.

^ A/Y and his TFG supporters don't believe Muqdisho is a somali city, they both believe it belongs to a clan who needs to be subjugated and the only Army who could do that was the Xabashi Army. from day one A/Y was elected, he wanted his Xabashi army ready and available to go to Muqdisho. He acted on his clanish impulse and distrust and saw to it fulfilled all the way to Muqdisho bombing. Such callous sadism will never be forgiven nor forgotten.

^ The difference is that I don't go around pretending Somalia is about my clan or some warlord who hails from the clan I belong to. I fully respect the wishes of other somalis and never express an intent to see them under a rule they are not happy with as long as what is being forced upon them is not islamic by design. A- I don't pass lies as truth to make realities on the ground(such as the insecurity, the violence, the robbery and the disilluissionment people have with the TFG in Muqdisho) disappear. B- I do not support Xabashi troops bomb somali clans into submission so that a warlord who hails from my clan gets to call himself a president. C- I do not expect other somalis to show goodwill and co-operation towards me when I put my clan interests first. D- If you have a clan, every somali has a clan, therefore, my brother and me against other clans old adage comes into a full swing. All of the above are the practice of A/Y supporters. We saw how clan priorities reduced our country to bantustans, clanlands, fiefdoms and occupied towns by Xabashis. Absolutely, you don't say My CLAN comes first to a somali and expect that SAME somali to have anything to do with you. It is obvious and I don't know what is wrong with clanists not getting the message.

Originally posted by Violet: Being called a clanist doesn't offend because I have been called worse. I just find it a bit odd that the people who label as such are in fact as clanish as I am. But it ain't nothing but a chicken wing, so continue as you wish. At least you admitt you are a clanist in thinking. Like Cara would say, my job here is done Duke How are you bro? No, I wasn't active politically in A/Q's days. I thought of Carta gov as another doomed attempt to get somalis back on track. A/Y was missing and righfully sidelined, Ina Aydiid was MIA, so were all other warlords ignored. I knew these warlords weren't gonna let some civilians get away with ruling Somalia. Ethiopia wasn't too happy with her boys being relegated to nothingness. I didn't bother much with something I knew was doomed to fail.

Let the southerners show unity among themselves first. Bringing together the devided people of the south is the first priority before anyone embarks on bigger issues like Somali Unity. A/Y and his crew of incompetents can not unify the south let alone get the northerners on board. There is too much hate, disturst, bitterness and a sense of disillusionment with how things are in the south. TFG supporters are far removed from the realities on the ground they remain the only somalis happy with the status quo. Short sighted, indifferent, selfish, clanish in outlook, everything is rosy to them. One way that is lready proven onwhich somalis can be united is for each clan to embrace islam fully and abandon following men like A/Y. Bitterness and distrust will disappear, unity may be a possibility then. As long as we have unislamic political players whose method of governance stems from clan numbers and politics, to each clan their own.

^ Cool, as long as you admitt your support is based on clan loyalty, I have no issues with you.

Hunguri, saxib, how can a good guy like you support the TFG? You are like that star in a distant dark galaxy giving off some faint light towards dear earth where the one who is looking at it wonders when will the faint light being emitted stop and the star will die disappearing into the surrounding sea of darkness. You don't have to change your username on my advise. But since you chose "hunguri", I thought adding "Wayne" would be the icing on the cake and would thwart The centurions on the forum confusing you with a lady and pairing you up with a man as a best mate. Haven't you seen the topic about the SOL awards? Check there, you will see what I am talking about. Naagahana lama dhaho ma i rabtaa, cause their first reply would be no, you never do that saxib. Violet can not resist me even with my political difference.

^ Why not saxib? I think violet and me can solve somali problems by getting married to one another. That way, I can get close to the Old man and surprise him with a Coup. btw, saaxiiboow, gabaraa laguugu qalday ee naaneystaada "hunguri" ku xiji "weyne" hadaan qof kale kaaga hormarin

Originally posted by Taako Man: quote:Originally posted by Xoogsade: 4.5 clan based organization but a hopeless clanist? Abdiqasim is that kind of person. Is he a clannist? What Abdiqassim is or isn't doesn't purify the TFG or will make it acceptable to those who reject it on sound reasoning saxib. Supposing A/Q is a crook himself, a logical thinking would conclude that two wrongs don't make a right. You are saying the opposite and two wrongs make a right. In fact, we know two wrongs make two more wrongs plus Ethiopia in the mix we have 5 wrongs altogether haven't we now? You can make a selection from a full panoply of wrong doings, from the innocuous to the grossly criminal someone has done in the past and still you won't be able to justify the grossly treacherous dealings of A/Y and his crew of rejects from all clans. Marka saxib, zip it or say something logical. Show me sidaad ku xalaaleysan kartid hilibka doofaarka aad gacanta kula jirtid. And the TFG equates hilib Doofaar. Najaaso waaye. Violet I gotcha sis, you are not clanist but believe in positive clanism, sweet. I happen to think that people don't share ideas they don't believe in. And if you were refering to the ICU as one sub-clan, without arguing your claims, I must say the ICU's platform was hugely popular with the islamically inclined somalis from across the clans. One clan or one group among somalis with the correct political platform is far more apealing to me than whole clans united in servitude and bondage to Xabashis.

^ Violet, you are okay with the disintegration of the country and hope A/Y expedites the departure of the north. Your reasoning is that these somalis were hurt and they deserve to go if they choose to and must determine their future. You surprisingly even believe that one dead it too many. All that now beg the quetion, What about Muqdisho residents? Do you want them determine their future? is their one dead too many? Or let me guess, they are the unapproved clans whose occupation and murder of their kids in cold blood is okay? How interesting

^ Who else advocates for premitive concepts like clanism but a clanist and who supports the ethiopian managed bankrupt 4.5 clan based organization but a hopeless clanist?

Jimcaale, oki saxib, appreciate your advise. Violet, because Somali women shy away from public clanism and never advocate openly for it. They traditonally solidify the bond between different clans so that conflicts don't become eternal. Without their moderating influence, somalis would be doomed. How do you think somali clans thrived and became millions? There is no positive clanism at a national level. And I didn't know there were unacceptable somali clans.

^ You are weird for a somali woman. Does positive qabiilism include marrying only from your clan as well? Abwaan Amxaarka qorshaha isagaa wato saxib, the warlords and other stooges consult with the fine print out of Melle's office.

You think they wouldn't yaa jeceel? dadka tabar baa ciishay ee Amxaar muusan gumeesteen.

Jeceeloos, in time hopefully they will burn Xabashis and their jaajuusiin who hail from our blood. Keep up the cheerleading

Small victory for us anti-xabashis and their somali spies

Dad caraysan oo gubay calanka Ethiopia Maxamed Maxamuud Dhoorre BBCSomali.Com Ciidamada Ethiopia waxay baaritaanno ka sameeyeen degaannada ku dhow-dhow wasaaraddii hore ee gaashaandhigga Dadku waxay ku doodayaan in ciidammada Ethiopia oo goobtaas baaritaan ka sameynayay ay iyagu halkaa sureen calankooda, hase yeeshee afhayeen u hadlay madaxtooyada Soomaaliya, ayaa beeniyay in calanka ay sureen ciidammada Ethiopia. Afhayeenku waxa uu ku tilmaamay in ay ka dambeeyeen dad doonaya in ay shacabka kiciyaan. Ciidammada Ethiopia oo ku sugnaa goobta calankooda lagu gubayay, wax jawaab ah kama aanay bixin. Baaritaan Ciidamada Ethiopia ee saldhiggoodu yahay wasaaraddii hore ee gaashaandhigga ayaa xalay iyo saakaba baaritaanno ka waday degaanka ku dhow wasaaraddaasi ee Shiirkole ofishaale iyo dhabarka dambe ee wasaaraddaasi, iyagoo baarayey guryaha iyo gaadiidka maraya degaankaasi. Calanka Ethiopia oo la arkay isagoo ka suran degaankaasi Shiirkole ee ciidamada Ethiopia ay baaritaanka ka wadeen ayaa waxaa ku qamaamay dadweyne aad u badan, kuwaasoo gubay calankaasi. Aragtida goobjoogeyaasha Goobjoogeyaal ku sugnaa degaankaasi ayaa sheegay in calankaasi Ethiopia laga suray dhowr goobood oo ay ku jirto wasaaraddii hore ee gaashaandhigga, isla markaana ay ka dambeeyeen ciidamada Ethiopia, hase yeeshee waxaa taasi beeniyey afhayeen u hadlay dowladda KMG ah oo qiray in calankaasi la suray meesha, hase yeeshee ay sureen dad uu ku tilmaamay in ay doonayaan in ay fidno ka dhex abuuraan shacabka iyo dowladda KMG ah. Agagaarka wasaaraddii hore ee gaashaandhigga ayaa waxaa dhowaan ka dhacay dagaal xooggan oo dhex maray ciidamada Ethiopia ee halkaasi ku sugan iyo kooxo hubaysan oo weerar ku qaaday, wuxuuna ahaa dagaalkii labaad ee fool-ka-fool loogala horyimaado ciidamada Ethiopia, wuxuuna dagaalkaasi sababay dhimashada ilaa 11 qof inta la ogyahay, iyadoo 15 kalena ay ku dhaawacmeen, iyadoo ciidamada Ethiopia ay madaafiic ku garaaceen dhowr goobood oo magaalada Muqdisho ka tirsan.

For the stooges above me, here is how real somalis act who are free from clan bigotry and who love their country, people who don't sell everything about them including their faith to support a warlord, a murderer, a jaahil and mujrim Dad caraysan oo gubay calanka Ethiopia Maxamed Maxamuud Dhoorre BBCSomali.Com Ciidamada Ethiopia waxay baaritaanno ka sameeyeen degaannada ku dhow-dhow wasaaraddii hore ee gaashaandhigga Dadku waxay ku doodayaan in ciidammada Ethiopia oo goobtaas baaritaan ka sameynayay ay iyagu halkaa sureen calankooda, hase yeeshee afhayeen u hadlay madaxtooyada Soomaaliya, ayaa beeniyay in calanka ay sureen ciidammada Ethiopia. Afhayeenku waxa uu ku tilmaamay in ay ka dambeeyeen dad doonaya in ay shacabka kiciyaan. Ciidammada Ethiopia oo ku sugnaa goobta calankooda lagu gubayay, wax jawaab ah kama aanay bixin. Baaritaan Ciidamada Ethiopia ee saldhiggoodu yahay wasaaraddii hore ee gaashaandhigga ayaa xalay iyo saakaba baaritaanno ka waday degaanka ku dhow wasaaraddaasi ee Shiirkole ofishaale iyo dhabarka dambe ee wasaaraddaasi, iyagoo baarayey guryaha iyo gaadiidka maraya degaankaasi. Calanka Ethiopia oo la arkay isagoo ka suran degaankaasi Shiirkole ee ciidamada Ethiopia ay baaritaanka ka wadeen ayaa waxaa ku qamaamay dadweyne aad u badan, kuwaasoo gubay calankaasi. Aragtida goobjoogeyaasha Goobjoogeyaal ku sugnaa degaankaasi ayaa sheegay in calankaasi Ethiopia laga suray dhowr goobood oo ay ku jirto wasaaraddii hore ee gaashaandhigga, isla markaana ay ka dambeeyeen ciidamada Ethiopia, hase yeeshee waxaa taasi beeniyey afhayeen u hadlay dowladda KMG ah oo qiray in calankaasi la suray meesha, hase yeeshee ay sureen dad uu ku tilmaamay in ay doonayaan in ay fidno ka dhex abuuraan shacabka iyo dowladda KMG ah. Agagaarka wasaaraddii hore ee gaashaandhigga ayaa waxaa dhowaan ka dhacay dagaal xooggan oo dhex maray ciidamada Ethiopia ee halkaasi ku sugan iyo kooxo hubaysan oo weerar ku qaaday, wuxuuna ahaa dagaalkii labaad ee fool-ka-fool loogala horyimaado ciidamada Ethiopia, wuxuuna dagaalkaasi sababay dhimashada ilaa 11 qof inta la ogyahay, iyadoo 15 kalena ay ku dhaawacmeen, iyadoo ciidamada Ethiopia ay madaafiic ku garaaceen dhowr goobood oo magaalada Muqdisho ka tirsan. http://www.bbc.co.uk/somali/news/story/2007/02/070226_flag.shtml

^ You are an amateur and misguided, low on comprehension(you seem to miss points). See how rahima told you earlier to drop it cause you weren't getting it I didn't write in here more than the economist did but may be the truth was overwhelming for you as it is overwhelming to those who have weak immune to its disarming power. Reread what I wrote and you may be able to understand fully what I wanted to get across to you. Read it slow. To break it down to you: - Paragraph A of my earlier post was about your outing, you coming out as a supporter of TFG. - Paragraph B told you that supporters come from all clans and they have one thing in common, clan worship. - Paragraph C is about characteristics of TFG supporters. Who welcomes the warlords.

^ So now finally you are out of the woods and tell me you support the TFG? You said "We are not". I knew there was something to your out-of-the blue outbursts. It surprised me. You fooled me in the women's section. My comments must have caught you off-guard with your pants down. Far iyo meel bugtaa is og You are a good guy still and I never had you in mind I still insist. One doesn't have to necessarily belong to A/Y's subclan to be so passionate and embued in the art of mindless bigotry supporting Yey and his crew of warlords, brother-in-law of Zenawi, ex-warlords turned shoe-shiners and women in parliamentarians passing as men. Many misguided somalis jumped on A/Y's bandwagon because their favoured warlord was kicked real good by the ICU and they felt they had an opportunity routing for the Old man and his Xabashi troops. Among these opportunitsts were Qeybdiid's supporters, Hiiraale's supporters, maxamed dheer's supporters and etc. Now these guys are upset cause they thought A/Y was in the game with them. When he turned on them as usual, they are depressed and helpless trying to make a come back while some begging for a position in the hierarchy of Zenawi's new kingdom of Somalia. Qeydiid is such a loser who wants to be a policeman. Who is he kidding? His kinsmen are neither wanted by A/Y's nor by the other clans who percieve them as collaborators. The real losers of this Xabashi servitude. TFG is loved by the Qad addicts, Sharia law haters, clanist bigots who are out of their human senses, anyone with zero faith and the worst among its supporters are those who try to use islam while the biggest asset A/Y boasts about is the might of Amxaaro troops and never justifies his shameful selling of his mother country by islam. You have to wonder, if the big guy doesn't care about islam and never uses it to justify his madness and crimes against his fellow countrymen, what is wrong with these people who never saw A/Y in person trying to use Allah's book to jsutify such filth?? iimaan xumida ma aragtay qofka meeshay gaarsiineyso? Will be back

Good idea Rudy.

^ It is that simple saxib but the blind and the sick can not see the simplicity of the islamic message. TFG supporters and apologists with the islamic pretense are best served arguing by representing their clanish beliefs rather than toying with fire for they will burn before they even get one step further.

Why am I not surprised?? Kuwaan micno dowladeed waa ku ciyaareen. Waa mafiyo.