^ Ha i walaaleysan walaal ma nihin runtii, wax dareen walaaltinimo oo ka muuqda hadalkaada ma jiro. Xataa isku diin ma heysano because I believe that a muslim is the brother of the other muslim, he doesn't transgress nor does he abonadon the other muslim and that all muslims are like one body where if one organ ails the rest share the pain. A far definition from your beliefs which are represented in your posts. You are too eager for the blood of the innocent yet you are so bold to entertain you know something about islam. Dhamaan hadalkaad ku hadashay meeshaan waa mid ku saleysan qabiil nacayb. Hanti adiga aad leedahayna ma heesto, therefore, it is nobler to reiterate the obvious reasons you support the massacre of other somalis who are not of your clan.

Originally posted by TheSomaliEconomist: But remember to wash your mouth (or fingers) thoroughly when making your wudu so you can cleanse yourself from all the derogatory words you produce on forums like this. You should do the same so you get the blood clots of the kids and the elderly of Muqdisho from your mouth. As I write, their dead is being counted over the airwaves strewn on the streets while thier dying can not get to the hospitals who lack sufficient stuff anyway. Kollay waad ku diirraneysaa warkaase, iska ogoow haddana.

^ Where in the Quran does it say you can condone the violence against women, children and the elderly in the hands of the Xabashis? A violence you wouldn't stand if it was directed against your clansmen? War nin yohow inaad iska aamustaa laguu qaatay. Adiga iyo waxa kula mid ah ee meeshaan ka cadeeyay inay taageeraan Amxaarada Xasuuqa ay xasuuqeyso Soomaalida aadan isku qabiilka ahayn diinta ilaahay qiimo idin lama ah. Xataa ficil soomaalinimo idinkuma jiro for you love the Xabashis killing and maiming the somalis than you can stand a somali fellow from the clans of Muqdisho. Runtii, soomaalida waad kala disheen. War maxaa na wadaajiyay sinjiyad idinka iyo innaga? I could even be wrong and you are one of those real haters who belive somalis are not of the same father, a belief which can explain many of the TFG supporters' behaviour and their disconncetion from the suffering of people in Muqdisho.

This is not a bad idea. Only problem I see on the horizon is whether Muqdisho can find peace without men like the courts uniting disparate clans who might disagree on everything otherwise? The TFG is doomed to fail. My concerns are what comes next after that. Hope Sheekh Shariif and Sheekh Uweys are around for their absence will be felt.

Originally posted by Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar: I hope those same 'elders' have a plan oo haddee Xabasho bari baxdo in lagu noqon doonin sidee Xamar ahayd the last 16 years. I only hope there is a Plan B la isku raacay, oo inay bari isqabqabsasho jiri doonin. Let us hope so. They don't reject the AU troop presence in town nor deny A/Y's presidency, which leaves a room for the TFG to manouver and work out a deal with them. Problem is, and if these opponents of the TFG insist on Ethiopian withdrawal, Will men like A/Y and Geeddi whose sole power comes from Ethiopian presence be accepting to Xabashis' withdrawal? Also, no one can trust men of bad faith, and the TFG stooges are nothing but the worst among Somalis. It is difficult for anyone to look at these men and take their word. Their speeches inflame passions and they spew nothing but hatred and devision. They don't act as representatives of all somalis. I think the TFG is a gonner and I pray to God that the sheekhs are available when the crunch time comes before Muqdisho descends into what it used to be of green lines and devided city. I don't want to see Qeydiid, Yalaxoow, Qanyare again laying claim to their fiefdoms in the name of a clan. PS: Apart from the well-founded condemnation, do you have any thoughts as to how this might turn out to be? These Elders have to speak out now because the men who were elected into A/Y's organization are nowhere to be seen addressing the concerns people whom they represent have. They are insignificant members of a defunct TFG parliament, silenced and fearful. Geeddi and Jeelle, two cousins, are only interested in advancing their personal fortune. Even large part of their own clansmen despise them. The old rivalry inside their clan exists still. So, what do you think again?

It is obvious the clan elders in Muqdisho have outmanouvered cleverly and dealt with the real rulers of Muqdisho, The Xabashis. This reduced A/Y and his farcical TFG to a mere band of thugs who failed their masters. The TFG planned to devide Muqdisho into rival clans then use Ethiopian might to massacre one clan and exile them. It obviously backfired. What do you think of this development and how it will affect our support for the islamic movement we wanted to see materialize once more in Muqdisho? Are these clan elders at fault in dealing with the issue this way keeping in mind the declarations they made which I quote below me? Would you share the downsides and the upside to this development if there are any on your mind please? After the meeting, Abdi Imam Omar, the chairman of ****** tribes read out the statement to the reporters as below: The third ****** declaration. - After the third conference in Mogadishu on 25, March 2007, the ****** elders agreed on several articles of their statement: - We (the clans of ******) here be indicating that we have implemented the ceasefire agreement in which we signed with the Ethiopian military officials on 22, March 2007. - We suggest the international community to support the truce and help keep it emplaced and also not turn blind eye to the humanitarian disaster in the capital. - The ****** elders called on the Somali population living in the capital to remain in their homes and not comply with the warning by the puppets within the government in which they said to abandon some villages in the city. - The Ethiopian government should immediately pull its troops out of our country as it had already pledged to quit Somalia after the arrival of the African Union peacekeepers. - The Puntland militia should be brought back to their settlements in northeast Somalia until to find national government. - The elders of ****** decided to release the misled militiamen that caught in the Mogadishu clashes three days ago and hand them to their clans. - ****** is ready to attend the all-inclusive national reconciliation conference after the implementation of the ceasefire. - We again appeal the ****** people within the interim government to come before the elders to them into accountability for the responsibility they area holding for the ******. - Finally, we call on the Somali people wherever they are to vividly attend defending the religion and the country against the enemy. Thanks for your contribution and all are welcome to voice their views on this Thread.

Fair enough Sakhar, I will look up your name at my next visit to see the product of your work on the subject matter then.

^ Can I be the first you psychoanalyze? would be fun to see how much of an ability you have to read people's mind or see into their hearts from what they write and reveal what they haven't expressed in words.

Oh Xiin, Now I understand what you intended for the topic. I just saw the additional elaboration you added at the bottom and edited what I wrote previously. I would like to put it simply and say all three problems you mentioned can be overcome by adhering to Allah's book and somalis truly living their islamic beliefs. There is no other way out of the macabre situation unfolding in Muqdisho. Take Care.

Originally posted by General Duke: ^^^Yep these pictures sadden us, because fires are a terrible thing, they can happen anywhere even in your own home. How should one sleep. A fire needs only Oxygen to spread. But the airport is still running and heavy weapons are being ofloaded of the port... Testing times indeed. Wonder if you would gloat this much if these weapons being offloaded were destined to be used against your family and your clansmen cozying safely in Puntland. TFG supporters are sociopaths as they come certainly.

^ Bring a picture of happiness from Muqdisho. Kids don't even sleep as they used to ever since warlord A/Y and his Xabashi troops descended on them and unleash whimsically barrages of artillery on their homes. With the bloody murderer in thier middle, no time for fun.

We don't see happy children playing football at the beaches of Muqdisho or thousands of somali muslims praying on friday anymore. Islamic festivities are muted and people are saddened. The islamic teachers are arrested by Puntland thuggish clan militia and are held hostage by them at the Villa Somalia, women with hijab have to take detours and avoid these thugs and their isbaaro, no movement beyond 6:00pm in town, and almost on a daily basis workers from madina and as far as huriwaa come to Bakaaraha on foot because the roads are blocked by the Xabashi troops. A/Y and his clan militia have destroyed reer muqdisho's life with the help of Xabashis. While Puntland enjoys economic boom and peace, reer muqdisho have to dodge bullets simply because they are not interested in the degenerate ignoble man passing as president. I wish we saw his burning corpse so we could celebrate with gusto and wish him a burning in hell for eternity.

It is getting more lethal in Muqdisho. This picture must sudden the tfg crowd above me.

The rest of somalis with the exception of the minorities like you who support A/Y for pure clanish reasons.

^ Somalis in general do not give recognition to the farcical TFG. We have a minority like you laboring under delusions but the reality is different.

The world would have legitimized Somaliland's independence by now if they were interested. They are treating "Somaliland" as an internal somali issue rather than an international case requiring some serious attention. And let us not forget Ethiopia plays a role as well in maintaining the status quo. Apart from that, Somalilanders should not be part of A/Y's prostitution of somalis to the Xabashis and the indignity he brought to them. Let us wait the day when ignobles like him are relegated to where they belong, at the bottom of the pit. His dismal living in heavily protected citadels somewhere in Muqdisho portends his soon-to-come departure along with his xabashi filth inshallah. Soomaali xalaal ah haloo helo hoggaanka waddanka, then there is a future for all somalis in that vast country of the horn.

Originally posted by Didi Kong: I think someone should translate what Samurai Warrior said to Xoogsade.lol. Someone should. Gaar ahaan the beautiful insults.

Never mind Bro, I think debates can have meaningful results if there is sincerity. You are too happy with your ways, I let you be.

^ What section of the town is represented in the pics? is that the street which devides the town into the two camps? Just asking, so give me honest answer. Do you have Baraxleey's pics? wouldn't mind seeing what it looks like and whether it is actually as depilitated as was said by sky(SOL member).

^ Still a devided city along clan lines isn't it? Reer Baraxley have no say in the Admin of Galkacyo. Even the school teachers are so biased they teach extra curricula to the kids of the same clan after they send others home in the afternoon. You remember the Article I posted about it don't you?? At least their peace accord is still alive and working.

Samurai, Q- what would it take for you accept him as the legitimate leader of the country? If all somali clans accept him as their legitimate leader which is attainable by him if he plays fair politics. I know you and like-minded emotional beings confuse international recognition and support with local recognition and support. I put values on the support A/Y can get from somali clans rather than what some foreign entities with their own agenda who are less understanding of somali politics give to A/Y as a support. Q- And what would it take for you to have to see what others see in him? I will not see in A/Y anything different than what I see in him currently. Nothing short of him changing his ways and becoming islamically oriented individual will change my views about him. If you were to put that question to the young girls in that congregation, certain I am they would laugh your annotations off as silly, juvenile rants of no consequence, not to mention disagreeing with your assertions. Surely, they cannot be dubiously blind, could they? These are schoolgirls out of class for the occassion. It is a photo-op mastered by Cadde Muse. I can't address your insults. It is not worth the effort. Just a Note: Writing with outdated vocabulary doesn't make you more knowledgeable than anyone. You would fair better if you write simpler english next time and mind your audience/readers. I spent too much time reading some of the unintellgible victorian english you wrote.

Alle-Ubaahne, are you willing to condemn your clansmen as well? They are in love with A/Y more than A/Y's clansmen are in love with him Halkan ka dhegeyso They were clapping and ululating for the Old man. Unless there was a fall out with him after this meeting, they are/were as much in support of him as his clansmen. I don't know if the people present in the meeting can represent their whole clan, but the opportunitists are all here.

I guess civilized somalis are doing great work in Galkacyo considering the huge writings on the wall in red and in the background of the hall-way Oday A/Y and his wife are seated. For those who have poor eye-sight, no glasses needed , it says: "Ending impunity for violence against women and girls" wow, what a great message. Someone should translate that to A/Y and tell him to stop the violence against women and children in Muqdisho, get his Xabashi troops out of town and accept the fact that he can not force other clans but deal with them with respect. That is all they were asking. I would consider him a somali president and not what he is for now(the warlord masquarading as president) if I knew he would get the same welcome his clansmen in the pictures and those who are on SOL give him. I would swallow my pride and wouldn't comment positively or negatively about this traitor. Certainly, there is huge disconnect outside the enclave of the "related", a safe zone for him without Xabashi protection. In other towns people will be happy to see him dead rather than line up the streets to welcome him. Something that should worry those who adore him. Settling for less is not a victory and surely being happy about A/Y being welcomed in his clan fiefdom is no measure of success nor does it instill "cabsi/respect" for his clan as the last poster above me commented.

^ If I could equate myself to Xiin in terms of knowledge and good conduct, I would have said great minds think alike But I can't and it was coinscidence that I called you confused because that is how you come across. You were torn between islamic loyalty and clan loyalty and gradually leaned towards the clan loyalty. Any observer can say that about you. It must be tough to stay balanced and on the side of the Good if you are related in some ways to a man like A/Y.

^ I am done with you sis , Khalaf is watching. Have a nice evening on your way out.