Caamir, as usual, and like the rest of the TFG crew, you are dishonest. I present here what I thought about the TFG and A/Y in 2004 without elaboration. All decent somalis oppose the TFG on moral grounds even though they supported initially the idea of change. Originally posted by Xoogsade: Does an online opinion matter except to show where one stands on the issues? I think people who support Abdullahi Yusuf for tribal reasons are as corrupted and bigotted as those who oppose him for the same reason. Such people/groups are the ones who spoil for the rest, one group among them making a national issue private tribal business while their counterparts are simply objecting to the common good based on the same principles others are basing their support on. Both are personalizing something not personal. We should let Somalis back home decide what they want while we hold on to our opinions for a later occassion when appropriate. If you are bitter about Abdullahi yusuf, Waa la doogiye yaan la dacaroon many don't like him but want to use him as the stepping stone for a better future. The alternative might have been the same or worse anyway. Actually more hopeless if it came to resolving certain issues. So Abdullahi Yusuf might have a better leverage in resolving certain issues. I think Abdullahi Yusuf cares about and is more eager to make this work than anyone else. If he can avoid the futility of taking on islam, he has a chance to succeed. So let us wait and see. What is there to fear? Things are very personal and tribal in Somalia, and a government better walk on a fine line before things dwindle down to "Give me liberty or give me death". That is how it will be in the country if people become dissatisfied with the government and its corrupt policies. Marka, for those who can't wait and don't have the patience, let things play out and hope for the best. Stop objecting for the sake of objection or you don't like someone. Think about your relatives in XAMAR who dealt with the most violence in the last fourteen years. Sidaan maslaxad iney ugu jirtaa laga yaabaaye, hold on to your criticism for a while and see how it works. Let us hope the new government makes the right decisions in the best interest of Somalis. http://www.somaliaonline.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=9;t=002408

^ Does one need permission for sympathy? it is moral to oppose aggression of any kind from anyone, and unlike you, there are somalis who don't justify for themselves the loss and discomfort of others if they aren't affliated clanwise. And I doubt if you would support the criminal enterprise of the TFG if your clan was on the recieving end of the Xabashi and Clan Militia violence, just as Muqdisho residents were and still are on the recieving end and bear the brunt of the Occupation of the Unwelcome Xabashi troops housed in town to guard their favourite warlords. I know 100% that the concern of Muqdisho residents is not yours and will never be unless Allah looks kindly towards you and puts some light in your heart.

^ Wallahi saaxiiboow, ninka soo dhajiyay toobigaan markaan fiiriyana, I want his little town occupied, markaan saaxibaday laascaanood ku abtirsado oo muslmimiin fiican aan arkana, I side with them and want this Somaliland entity who serves nonsomali and narrow clan interests to leave that town as soon as possible. For every hypocrite, there are thousands of honest somalis whose worries are mine, therefore, I support the exit of Somaliland and its client local supporters to leave the town so the locals live in peace as they were. My support lies with the locals of that town who want to be independent from other clan fiefdoms. Though I disagree with the existence of clan fiefdoms, I would be happy to see Laascaanood and sister related localities be free both from Puntland and Somaliland. I don't want Somaliland expand its Authority and add another town to its claim. And Puntland in return shouldn't be granted another town to its fiefdom once LA comes back to its local rule.

^ Who are the SSC peeps? I need to update my vocabulary obviously. Do you have an immidiate enemy among somalis besides Ethiopia? Let me see how frank you are.

Originally posted by Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar: Soomaalida qaarkood waa shameless, wax walba ugu sareeya qabiilkooda "alle" ka dhigteen, oo ay caabudaan. Maxee kasoo dhaweysanayaan ninkaan maalin walba aflagaada, caay iyo afxumo usoo taagnaa? Eebboow xishoodka ha naga qaadin. Fuleynimo iyo dhaawacii yaraa soo gaaray ayuu Xamar naftiis ugula soo cararay. Fuleygaa taacun maxaa dhahaa. Ceebta adigaa u arka ceeb saxib, waa kugu kaligaa. LOL@A/Y hiring, I guess only A/Y's clansmen(his supporters) should apply. Inta kale meesha wax ka yaallaaba iska yar ama looma oggola madaxtooyada agteeda(stooges with proven record are the exception, themselves guarded and checked). First chance they get to cut the Old man's throat he will be dead.

Castro,Xiin, Miskiin, iyo Dhamaan Akhyaarta soomalida xalaasha ah, Waa idin salaamay

People here have more pressing concerns than this saxib. Hadda dhibaa jira soke. Marka iyaga murugada heysato ka fuqdo, they will be back to Muqdisho news to keep on supporting Amxaarada iyo Adeerkood A/Y unfortunately. PS: The follow up to what you posted is the Xabashis taking revenge on civilians. Muqdisho

Despite the efforts made by the writer to come across as sincere in this article, the conclusion many would reach after reading is quite the opposite. Total dishonesty and lack of justice. Plus the nagging question about the motives of someone supposedly pro-islam yet who writes "Whether we like it or not, what Meles Zenawi had done is save us poor Muslims from our Islamic brethren whose main occupation today would’ve amounted to nothing more than floggings and women in the dirty streets of Somalia, i.e. if Zenawi didn’t come when he did." Many a muslim was brutally murdered both by the Xabashi troops and by US bombardments, a devastating violence was unleashed on muslim somalis which culminated into the installation and empowerment of men with red crimson blood dripping from their hands as presidents and rulers of the decimated, men who are guarded by platoons of clan militias who continue to rob and kill somalis at will was the result of the Ethiopian invasion, yet, the writer portrays all such unislamic realities on the ground as a blessing from God. Nothing more distasteful than that. People can hide behind prophetic messages only for a short period of time before they lay bare their pernicious secrets, and this article completely exposes an unpleasant reality about people who are blind and bigoted that Allah's blessed words don't make a dent in their heart even though they are utilizing it on a daily basis. How many a man and a woman claim to be honest muslims, with the outward appearance of a good muslim yet support men like A/Y, Qeybdiid, Dheere and all the warlords who came to prominence by killing and pillaging somali muslims. On behalf of these brutal criminals, the pretentious beings insult and attack other muslims who invested their blood to fight these evil men. Mu'minimada xaal ha qaadato.

Originally posted by The Duke: Xoogsade: Yusuf Yey is in Villa Somalia. Weli taa muusan xalaaleysan, shirka qabqablayaasha iyo odayaasha lasoo afduuban doono yuu rabaa odaga inuu yiraahdo halay aqoonsado si fiican. For now, Addis Ababa is Villa Somalia and Zenawi is Somali president.

^ Everyone knows somalis wouldn't refuse to sit under a tree to settle disputes without asking for money to come to the shade of reconciliation. This is no reconciliation between somali clans but warlords and their sponsors desperately seeking legitimacy they won't get. It is who is who among career criminals jockeying for a position and or holding a job already in this wretched crew, Somalis are doomed in Ilaahay kasoo gaaro maahane. lol@tuugsi, miskiin, had they asked for five million, at least, they would find donors. Forty is too much and everyone knows why that much money is being asked. There is donor fatigue already but A/Y and the warlord crew have no shame.

If one is part of the problem, they can not provide a solution, therefore, the warlords of the TFG need to accept they are part of the ills that need to be cured. Criminals with blood on their hands can hardly earn the respect of the people. From the man charged to appoint members of the reconciliation, Ali Mahdi, to the warlord calling himself a president, are all men with blood on their hands. It is a tough sell. There can be co confidence in these men and they won't deliver the elusive peace and governance people yearn for. You need patriotic clean men who demonstrated the love of country and people, respect for religion to bring solutions to troubled people. We don't have men with such characters, they are wasting time and money of the donors(if it comes).

Well written article by an infomed nonsomali. The future is bleak simply put. Mala yaabateen how warlord A/Y is asking for 40 million to reconcile unwarring somali clans? - Rounding up elders who disagree with them at gunpoint = $20 million. - Painting the old building allocated for the warlords and their kidnapped , and buying second hand furniture to sit on is another $ 20 million. Warlord Yusuf and his henchmen need to get real and accept they are the only problem somalis have.

If I marry a local girl from ilkacas group, shall I get to build my own permanent house? You know, since I am foreign and won't be allowed to build a permanent house.

That is good news then Mr.Bokero. PuntlandKing/Garyaqaan People I called actually live in safer areas in Muqdisho yet, as I said earlier, they are traumatized and depressed by fear and by what they know is going on in the other parts of the city, plus the daily robberies and the pervasive insecurity in town. Xataa gawaarida BLka dhexdooda yaa la isku baartaa. The conditions are so bad the UN is at odds with Warlord Yusuf whom they accuse to underestimate the dire need on the ground. This savage warlod and his junior thugs deny the fact that muqdisho needs serious help in terms of everything for fear that the world will stop calling them legitimate authority. A better option for you and emperor is to post propaganda you think will help the warlords instead of implying people are lying when what they say contradicts what you wish to hear. I don't have to post links reporting the negative news to back up what I said, you can find them I bet, SOL's front page is a good start before we get to other somali websites. There is nothing good coming from that occupied town. Post what you think will help A/Y and his junior warlords terrorizing Muqdisho instead of implying I lied. Kollayba waa yar yahay in la arko qof gacan ku dhiiglayaasha Xamar dadka nolosha ku dhibay taageersan oo wanaag ku hadla. Laakiin hala isku dayo in dib loo soo ceshado Alla Aaminka lumay ama Qabiil dartii mugdi galay. Let us not sink low though it is obvious a warlord is dearer than god's beloved truth in some circles.

That is good Bokero, we shall wait for your report then. Make the efforts to find out the truth about this story. Socod-Badne Some beg to fund their addiction like those women in Nairobi who buy Khat with the begged money while others beg for serious need. Either way, it is tragic.

Emperor, The neighbours helped my mother in times of need, therefore, I return the favour and show gratitude to them by calling them every now and then to say "hi" and ask about their well being. It is all for Mom. I even helped some of them leave Muqdisho to safer towns. Wax ween oo aan meeshaan ka sheegi karin aa dariska noo qabtay. They are women with kids as well, divorced and some married. If I could, waan masruufi lahaa on a monthly basis. Peacenow Sure, provided I get something done, will let you know bro.

I think what we can do is send requests to UN so they look into this issue. Does anyone know where we can Contact? This is urgent. Please let me know if anyone knows where we can contact and I will look for soruces as well. Let us do something about this. 500 people is not that many, we can raise money for them and they can go to other countries safer.

Originally posted by Munira002: How heart breaking, for those whom advocate for more war or no negotiations to the ever lasting nightmare,can they justify this? or many other predicaments Somalis find themselves due to lack of Goverment,Home etc etc.. May Allah ease their plight,may one day find their way back home, where they had pride,dignity ..Amiiin Let us not confuse the word "government" with the TFG. Life in Muqdisho today is the same as that reported in Liberia, Women and kids beg in the streets, they are homeless because they were internally displaced families to begin with from previous draughts and clan conflicts outside Muqdisho. Since the arrival of Xabashi troops, many refugee camps close to contested areas in Muqdisho were abandoned, The main market is constantly robbed by the clan militia of the TFG, no one feels safe in Muqdisho today and I wouldn't be surprised if residents abandon the whole city in masse to other parts of the country for lack of basic safety. I spoke not only with family members back in that town but their neighbours and they were all pessimistic and depressed. All police stations are filled with women and young men rounded up in the streets and even bribe is not accepted for their release, somalis are being shipped as terrorists to Ethiopia. If anything should happen, no matter how painful it is, the TFG should be fought to free the somalis who suffered because of these thugs and bloody warlords. Dadkii waa ladhacaa, naagihii waa la kufsadaa, caruurtii nolol maheestaan, all in Muqdisho markaasaa afka waxaa laga bartay Dowlad, Dowladda la sheego intee joogtaa? they are the ones behind people's misery and want to cash in on the blood of the innocent. They are agents of doom and destruction set upon our country to ensure its demise. Can anyone think why they are protected by platoons of Xabasho? Simply because no one wants them around.

Thanks.

^ That is a possibility if other somalis join these patriotic men and help them in whatever way they can. Somalia proper is as theirs as Qallaafe and other Somali towns in Galbeed are. They will be home sweet home once they liberate Galbeed. Somalis in Somalia proper are either powerless or in collusion with the new Xabashi slavery. This is fresh source of hope for those of us who have trouble sleeping knowing they have no country to go back to which they can call their own, free and without Ethiopian troop presence. All somali towns are occupied or fall under Gumeysi raac men.

roobleh, You should question everything you learn to be on the safe side, but your ability to rely on yourself without outside help for understanding the Quran takes a lot of knowledge. I am not sure if every muslim today can go out there on their own and understand the Quran as they should. I have read few times before instances where the companions of the prophet got stuck on the meaning of some Quranic verses and drew the wrong conclusions. The prophet pbuh had to correct their understanding. So, reliance on trust-worthy islamic scholars is very very important. The Quran directs muslims to ask for help if they don't understand something. Can't just sit there and draw your own conclusions in many regards. The Quran is easy to learn but one needs help to achieve self-reliance. I would suspect any scholar who claims to be self-reliant let alone the average hedonist muslims of today. Personally, I would check the sheekhs background and see if he falls within the safe network of islamic scholarship, if he fits in, then I will take whatever he teaches as long as he shows evidence for whatever he presents. If he doesn't have support from the Quran and the Sunnah, then his opinion is as good as mine. That is what I think saxib. Remember to ask always "Who said that, and what is the evidence", you will be fine. Ms-Dheylo Muslims fair better in America because America, to some extent, is multicultural country. It makes a point to reach out to minorities and ethnic groups so they are accomodated and assimilated while they keep their distinct identities. English isn't even considered constitutionally the first language although nowadays some are pushing for that. As for Europe, ethnocentrism rules the day. Plus the history they share with islam, the proximity of islamic countries to them, and the fact that they used to teach in schools(and may be to this day they still teach) how islam once was at the gates of vienna, doesn't help calm the fear of xenophobes. They are tiny compared to America, suspicious of one another, and mostly worry about their future as distinct white race. Islam is hot in Europe, so it makes sense for them to worry. PS: I was hasty to reply to roobleh before I got to read BOB's reply to him. That should have sufficed concerning Roobleh. My bad. Take Care Everyone and my apologies to bro BOB.

May Allah grant them Victory. They make us proud. The irony, Muqdisho, the symbol of Somali freedom is now an Ethiopian Town while Qallaafe is free. This is too sad of a reality.

Originally posted by Emperor: ^WaR dagaalka hala wado iyo Muqaawamadda waa tii Sayidkoo kale halkaa kasii wada, oo yaan lajoojin.. Na horkaca oo Jihaadka noo wada yaa Jamaca Nin I sigay ma nabad galo Nin isugeyna maba jiro Libta weli ma sii deyn Gardarrada ma saacido Nin xaq lehna cid lama simo Ninkaan teydu soli karin Uma yeelo suu rabo Sida dunida qaarkeed Sandulleynta ma oggoli Ninna kabaha uma sido Soomaali baan ahay!

Originally posted by Kashafa: Some salient points: Kismayo, no longer under TFG control. Entire degmo of Qalaafo, under Somali control. 8 to 10 Ugandan soldiers bought the farm, wasn't a good idea coming to Mogadisho as Zenawi's bailout Plan B, shit happens, sorry Tikray/TFG alliance still suffering attacks, including the leadership I guess them 'ciyaal-ka xaafada' boyz been real real active as of late, yaah ? :cool: Some salient points indeed. I have thrown my lot with the brave boys of somaliwest who took over a somali town. Meesha darin la fariisto ma taallo ee waxaa fiican inaan shirka laga qayb gelin loona cidleeyo gogol ku sheegga. Ethiopia won, Ethiopia rules, it is that simple. Let us all wait for the day when Somalis collectively decide they need their country back for good. There is no Somali president, and no somali government, and as such, somalis of honour who refuse to submitt shouldn't put a stamp of approval to a puppet government that has no influence beyond guarded compounds.

The senior Engineer here at work is a Jewish man, the sustaining Engineer is another Jewish girl as well. They seem pretty decent and unconnected to Middle east politics or anti-islamic conspiracies. May be that is because they are the liberal jews who are out of favour with both the American Evangelicals and the die-hard zionists in new York and in Israel. The girl calls me "darling" lol, how sweet of her, this in fact as we discussed islam time and again and she said she likes many aspects of the religion but can't entertain the idea of not eating Pork Anyway, contrary to our traditional suspicion of Jews, many are like the rest of mankind struggling with political issues and bigotry in their own communities. The Quran blames the part of the jews who killed the prophets and undermined his messengers and the message they carried while the same Quran praised those jews who embraced islam. As others pointed out, being a jew doesn't make one bad per se, it is what activities they are engaged in that makes a particular jew part of those blamed in the Quran or not. Would the Quran invite the Jews to Islam if they were bad by their being jewish by lineage? That is my opinion and I stand corrected if others have something different that contradicts me textually. As for the resemblance, it can not be right. If we get credible leadership in the south, this secession movement will evaporate and disappear. It is all about ruling the country and pride, so someday soon, from the south, we shall get leadership who will address the grievances of the landers and who will give them leadership position they will be happy with. I don't think they will protest much if they are given the mantle of somali society. Hopefully, the sick among them who idolize the clan will be rendered voiceless by the sane majority who will see the value of staying home. Wixii jiran ilaahay ha caafiyo.