Originally posted by xiinfaniin: On bullet C, alshabaab have to yet recognize Sharif's goverment? Why is that do you think yaa Xoogga? awoowe nimankani shiddey rimmanyihiin, I know they do not recognize culumada ku shirtay Xamar but they know some thing about politics will be very coutious about disagreeing with this. I don't see their attitude that way saxib. Their resentment and feelings towards Sheekh Shariif is quite logical and understandable. It has little to do with them not recognizing the Scholars or understanding politics. These guys don't give a toss about politics and worldly issues. That is what makes them a bit hard to deal with, it takes some convincing and showing them how things can work in your favour without causing a lot of unwarranted damage. No one should expect them to co-sign with sheekh shariif without some convincing and negotiations, forced or otherwise. Waa dad is maan dhaafsanaa in the bad old days to begin with, they considered him AWOL when it mattered. He says he was playing the deplomatic Jihad which doesn't fly well with the Shabaab crew as you know it very well. Now we need to convince them these are the good times and better days are ahead of us. Sida hadda wax lagu wado waa hagaagsan tahay. Waa la qaddariyay, ma loola dhaqmin in Sheekh Shariif uu ka sareeyo, laakiin waxaa loola hadlay loolana hadli doonaa inay yihiin dad kaalin ku leh Mustaqbalka soomaaliya. We want them to treat Sheekh Shariif's government based on what happens next/now rather than on what is alleged and personalities including that of Sheekh Shariif. They are required and expected to change their stance sometime in the near future. Hadda in la hor boodo ma ahan oo lagu eedeeyo waxaan macno wayn ku fadhinin. Iyagaa oggolaan doona culumada warkeeda markay arkaan that their stated goals are being met as much as possible and as the conditions on the ground permitt. I think Alshaab are reasonable, they have leaders and they will listen to them. Everyone whose word counts should focus on those leaders, the rest will fall in line.

Good move on the part of the Scholars. Waa raggeedii. First time soomaali ay yeelatay Marjic Culumo oo midaysan. AMISOM loogama baahna meesha, haku baxaan waqtiga loo qabtay. The reasons are following in my view: A- With opposition minimalized and eliminated over-time by the leadership of Somali Scholars, there will be no threat to Shariif's government. B- The money being spent on Amisom troops will be spent on building somali institutions. C- Dacaayaadda Alshabaab lagu wado waa in la joojiyo. Ilaa iyo hadda wax qalad ah oo ay galeen ma jirto. Wixii khalad ah oo dhallinyaro iyaga ka mid ahi sameeyeen, sida Villa Somalia weerarkeedii, waa lagala hadlay, dib dambana uma dhicin. Dhallin yaradaan Waxaa loo garduubaayaa hadda waa NABADDA soo dhow iyo Sheekh SHARIIF oo oggol wixii wanaag ah in lagu dhaqo waddanka. Marka, baahi dagaal ma jirto inta wada hadal la oggol yahay qof dagaal iclaamiyayna uusan jirin, ama sheekh shariif ama Alshabaab. PS: Yaan la illoobin iyadoo hal ASKARI AJNABI AH WADDANKA UUSAN JOOGIN IN NABAD LAGA Dhigay Muqdisho. That can happen if the same method is followed. This time it will even be better with a recognized government in place who negotiates and uses the free services of Elders and Scholars intent to avoid war at all costs. In addition to that the institutions of government wil recover quickly if there are no other investments the donors will have to consider other than the Somali government. Why do you guys think Uganda wants her troops put? Because the Ugandan officials have taken the millions of Dollars allocated for their troops and stashed it somewhere for their personal use. They want more money now. AMISOM needs to leave. It is a fact that no country with foreign troop presence recovers quickly. The more they get involved, the more devisions deepend and conflicts continue. Soomaalida iyagaa iska adag, waa in la isu daayo. AMISOM TROOPS NEED TO LEAVE THE SOONEST.

Originally posted by hamza9163: Walaal waxaan anigu u arka hadalada sharif ahmed kuwa aanan dhab ka aheyn, oo ah dad kusoo jiidato. Waxaan anigu u arka waxyaallaha ka hor istaagan wada hadal mirra dhala waxaa ka mid ah -ciidamada kuso qulqulaya mogadashu, iyo hubka laga dajinayo dekeda. -Dowlada KMG iyo waxey ku dhisantahay -Barlamaanka iyo wuxuu ka koobanyahay. Suaasha koobaad oo aan anigu is weydiin lahaa waxey tahay, xatta hadii lawada hadlo maxaa lagu heshiin kara? Hadii eey qolada djbouti dhab katahay ku dhaqanka shareecada islaamka, marka horeba meeysan wax kula darsan laheyn TFG. Sheeka iskeenaysa ma aha, dawlad islam ah oo ku dhaqmeysa shareecada islaamka, iyo mid ku dhisan axdi qarameed, barlmaan, iyo heer cilmaani. waan wada arki doona waxa kasoo baxa shirka culimada. Arrimo sax ah yaad ku hadashay. Su'aal kalese aan ku waydiiyo brother, Inta laga duuli lahaa Sheekh Shariif hadalkiisa waa dad soo jiidasho oo kaliya, soo kama fiicna in laga sal gaaro oo warkuu ku hadlay hadda loo raaco xaqiiqdana hadhoow soo baxdo? Hadduu warkii uu ku hadlay iyo go'aanaduu qaato mustaqbalka(marka lawada hadlo ka dib) is khilaafaan, Hala arko. Arrinta meelay u dhici doontaa markaas. Let us see first what conditions he wants to set. It will make the opposition look bad if they reject peace offers without negotiating first. Nin aan dhiig iyo dhacaan midna u hurin xorriyadda la helay yaa hadhoow meel cidla ah ka qaadan doona guusha. In kastoo Alle dartii loo jihaaday oo isaga wuxuu kugu abaal mariyo ka muhiimsan tahay tan dadka iyo saidy kuu arkaan, haddana in adiga mar kasta guusha ku raacdo waa fiican tahay saxib. Aniga sidaa hadalkayga aa ka dareemi kartid, waa see-and-wait, I am glad in Sheekh Umal aaday Muqdisho oo qayb ka yahay wada hadalka Culumada, Aan aragno wixii natiijo kasoo baxda. Sidaa kusoo qatintay warkaada, Culumada aan sugno waxay ka keenaan, ka dibna sheekh shariif ficilladiisa ayaa noo ah arrinta aan wax ku xukminayno. Sida laga cabsi qabo inay dhici waydaa badan.

Btw Xamza, Sheekh Shariif wuxuu codasaday in la dhexdhexaadiyo isaga iyo mucaaradka, he is making rounds and asking publicly for negotiations, it would be foolish to not return the favour bro. Caqliyaa loo baahan yahay I think we can deal with the Shariifka, Let us talk I say. Ilaahay dariiqa toosan hatuso isaga saaxib, anagana xaqa hanawada waafajiyo. It is hard to oppose someone who extends a hand to you. Waxba yaan lagu mashquulin siduu xukunka ku qabsaday, I believe that would not be an issue for anyone rabay islaam in wax lagu xukumo, muhimka waa wixii ficil ahaan shariifka ku dhaqaaqo. Be smart mate and come to the negotiating table first Soona jawaab, fikradaada inaan arko waan jeclahay saxib. Much respect to people ilaahay ka hormariya wax kastoo idil. Xiinka posted earlier Shariif's request to remove Alshabaab leader and Uways from the list of Terrorists Iyo inuu rabo inuu la heshiiyo Saaxiibadiisii hore. That is the kind of action and talk we need to move forward. I hope others return the favour.

Hamza Si cilmiyaysanaa u hadashay bro. Aan ku waydiiyee saxib, maadaama arinta waji cusub yeelatay, taageerada dadkana lagama maar maan tahay, ma xun tahay in lala hadlo shariifka mar hadduu leeyahay aan wada hadalno? Akhri kor Odaga Xaad fikraddiisa, taageerada dadka waa muhiim haddii khilaaf yimaado hadhoow oo gacan ka hadal ay noqoto. Waxaa fiican marka hore in qofka lagu dayo wada hadal. Aniga Shriifka inuu gardarrada qaataa ila qumman. Dad badan oo awalba kasoo horjeeday jihaadka xabashida lala galay, iyo kuwo dhallinyarada si kumeel gaar ah u taageersanaa hadda waad aragtay waxay ku hadlaan meelaha, aniga waxaa ila qumman inaan dadka noocaas ah guul loo oggolaan oo lagu jabiyo khidadooda. Miiska in la tago oo shuruudaha lasoo bandhigo, lagu qasbo sheekh shariif inuu fuliyo danaha Islaamka. Taa haddii laga helo, waa la taageri, haddii laga waayana dee yaa waajibiyay in taageero uusan istaahilin la siiyo? Waxayna u badan tahay Sheekh Shariif inuu reasonable noqdo haddii lala hadlo. He knows warka laga sheego iyo xanta suuqa, wax yaalaha lagu eedeeyo, waxaa laga yaabaa inuu niyaddiisa siday tahay oo dhabta ah caddeeyo haddii lala hadlo oo cabsida hadda laga qabo meesha ka baxdo. In Odayaasha ku garab taagnaan jiray adiga ka mujahid ahaan weligood la ixtiraamo codsigooda waa arrin fiican. Siyaasadaa loo baahan yahay saxib, nabaddana waa lagama maar maan.

Originally posted by nuune: Blessed, the guy didn't make offical speech for Somalis in Somalia, not even in Jabuuti, he should make khutbad ku saabsan waxa uu Soomaalida u hayo, u sameenayo, ku yaboohayo, ugu ballan qaadayo, mustaqbalka waxa uu ka damacsanyahay wadanka iyo dadka, so far Hodheel Barax la yiraahdo in Jabuuti ayuu dhax kududaa sidii weylo cows doog ah la soo daajinayo, and to the worst, all the actions is coming from Somali Uluma, media etc!! He is putting some finishing touches on his government in Djibouti. Taa waa iska caadi saxib. The big day is when he comes back with his government and sets up Shop in Muqdisho. We will see then what is the first policy towards peace his government puts forward and implements. He is getting a lot of suggestions and input from Elders and Somali Sheekhs alike, through the media and etc. There are only two important issues he will have to address as far as the oppisition are concerned: A- Amisom Troops. B- Islamic Sharia Laws. Here is the view of the Elders at the bottom voiced by one Of them: Xaad oo ka hadlay Shirka Culimada, AMISOM iyo Xoogaga wali Dagaalka wada 1- Xagga Shareecada Xaad ayaa sidoo kale sheegay in haddii Dowlada Sheekh Shariif ay Dalka ku dhaqdo Kitaabka ilaahay ay qabaan in la taageero. 2- Xagga Khilaafka&Mucaaradka Maxamed Xasan Xaad ayaa sidoo kale ka hadlay haddii ay soo baxaan Garabyo ka biyo diidsan Arinta ay Culimada wadaan ayaa waxa uu yiri “Cid kastoo Qabta Fikirka hadda socda Fikir ka duwan waxaan u soo jeedinaynaa in ay soo bandhigaan, Gogol iyo Wada hadal in lagu xaliyo oo Miiska la soo saaro oo loo maro Musaalaxo”. About Amisom “Qolada Dagaalka in ay Mar waliba Wadaan rabana waxaan iyagana leenahay Wada hadal ha galeen, Musaalaxo wax aan ku baadi goobno, wixii lagu duuli lahaa wada hadal ha ka horeeyo anaga waxaan qabnaa Totali in dagaal laga maarmo, haddii dan keeni kartana ay jirta waa in ay noqoto mid Dadku u dhanyahay, Dagaal waan galnay Maalintaas waxaan u qabnay inuu Daruuri ahaa ilaahayna waa nagu guuleeyay, inta hadda ka dhimana waxaan qabnaa in lagu gaari karo Musaalaxo, Haddii lagu gaari waayo isagana oo lagama maar maan uu noqdana hadee iyada Aragtideeda ayay yeelan doontaa, laakiin anagu hadda ka dhigi mayno Furinta hore Dagaal, Musaalaxaan ku Baaqeynaa, Nabad Galyaan ku Baaqeynaa, Wada hadalaan ku Baaqeynaa, Gogol Nabadeed in la fidiyio ayaan ku Baaqeynaa, Ciidamada Shisheeye in ay naga baxaan waan soo jeedinaynaa, intaan lala diririn ka hor waa inaan u sheegno inay naga baxaan Dowladana waxaan ku Tir-tirsiinaynaa Arintaasi inay ka shaqeyso oo Barnaamijkeeda Nabad Galyo Halkaasi ka raadiso anagu sidaas ayaan isleenahay Xalku waa ku imaan karaa”. That is where I and many Somalis stand. Nama khusayso Cidda madaxwayne ah iyo cidda kale, ra'iisal wasaare and who is who or what in the TFG, what matters are the policies adopted by Sheekh Shariif's government. If he does well, and so far he did and spoke well, he gets 100% support.

Xiinka, I will not discuss with you about politics, I am not comfortable with us exchanging views, you know my position as laid out above. I would add only few comments: A- Sheekh Shariif is the president. B- He deserves support for the sake of Unity and peace not for any other reason in my view. C- His actions will either warrant continuation of support or the cessation of it. Can't ask people for blind support at the risk of their faith. That is not to say Sheekh shariif is a bad man but taking the safe road as we are all accountable for our deeds. D- Same yardstick is the one I use to measure others who oppose him, this is not the time for war. I felt you were a bit disimissive without a good reason, and I don't take that lightly as I view that as a threat to my freedom of thought, Tow the line or be damned sorta attitude. Sheekh Shariif kii ku guulaysta horusocodka nabadda Ilaahay haka dhigo. Xaqa ilaahay ha waafajiyo.

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: ^^Spare me the sheepish stance adeer. This is about accepting the sheekh as the president of Somalia, and embracing his approach of peace and reconciliation. Walaalow aan wada hadalno is what he has been saying all along. The offer has been on the table. He called the culumaa near and far. Some spoke in favor of his proposal. Others come to seek some istifsaal. It’s very simple awoowe. Somalida qaar baa fawdada ku caana maalla, and it’s understandable. But continuing the anarchy in the name of religion is utterly bogus and will be shown for what it really is. I am very realistic and expect some will scoff these reasonable gestures, and continue to kill and maim. Where's Kashafa, the qurbo man who in his comfort in teh west wants to achieve spectacular victories on the backs of the poor shacab. Come out waryee where ever you are I see you haven't grown out of your usual arm twisting in getting people in line with your thoughts. Sheekh Shariif is not the first man to be called Somali president. What makes him different and will make him different is what he does on the ground. Aniga shakhsi caabudka waa la iiga dheereeyaa, marka, I judge Sheekh Shariif and his opposition based on their stance, who is right and who is wrong on any given situation and not who has the title of presidency. If that doesn't fit your expectations, tough luck nin yohow. You can call me all the names you can think of as usual. Iska hadal yaad taqaan lagaaga haro. Sheekh has the benefit of the doubt in my book, I wait for his actions. Same goes for his opposition.

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: Sh. Ummul reportedly flew to Somali capital This is great. The good sheekhs must be involved in the process. I wouldn't call the efforts of the Uluma as favouring Sheekh Shariif. All they said was to support the peace process and the new government. Let us not make this into Sheekh Shariif personality please. I hope he succeeds in delivering Somalia and Somalis. His success will ultimately depend on how he deals with others if they are reasonable themselves and don't make demands he can't meet. The Fatwas of the Uluma will only bear fruits if all sides are reasonable including Sheekh Shariif and both parties make concessions as encouraged by the Sheekhs.

Originally posted by Abu_Diaby- Al Zeylaci: ^^ He says he doesn't know the clan stuff, but he even figured out them code to say them backwards: Don't even know Abdi Qaybdiid's subclan after Dacas(read backwards) @Codes, haa dee saxib, koodka haddaanan ku qorin waa la ila kici lahaa, meesha lagama oggola qabiil qaawan, dadabkaa mar mar shaqeeya. Waana runtay, Qaybdiid qabiilkiisa hoose ma aqaan saxib, and God knows how long this guy had been a warlord? 20 years now? I had plenty of chances to figure out all about him. I am sure you being from Mudug Mugdi might know one or two facts about his Abtiris, ii sheeg mate. Ngonge @realities on the ground. yea, your online realities I suppose. Horta ma adigaa tagay Somalia weligaa? have you seen what Hargaysa looks like? I am bila tol and like it that way saxib Waraa Nuune Wiil adeer loo waayay abti looma waayin aa la dhahay see camalkaa abaa? ragaan maa mid iila kacdid? kuwa kale aniga igu dhaaf, sabaaxadaan kala daalaa kulligood LOL. Waryaada, aan ka seexdo meesha. I should be on bed.

Originally posted by NGONGE: ^^ Waa kaa! Markay wax waayaan ayaay af Somaliga ma baratay eyo mad baran ku noqonqdan. War be a man and don't forsake your uncle just becuase some guy accused you of something on an net forum. You know that when all is said and done it is your uncle who will save your behind. Nin waynoo tolkiisa ankiray waa duli, saaxib. Well saxib, it feels somewhat odd to even read Qaybdid to be my Uncle. I would be damned mate let alone assume I am of ignoble lineage just because I reject the association. I don't think along those lines and there are far nobler people in my clan whom I can rely on than Qaybdiid. Aabahay laba nin yaa la dhalatay, labadaasaa Adeer i ah. Don't even know Abdi Qaybdiid's subclan after Dacas(read backwards), ma igu qasbaysaan adeernimadiisa? Adigaa waxaa lagaa dhaadhiciyay qabiilkaaga inuu naf kuu hayo saxib, speak for yourself.

^ Including Salman Cawdah who was encouraging peace and negotiations in Here as well. They should play smart and negotiate from their current position of strength and influence. NGONGE Afsoomaali ma baratay intaa nac nacda iska dhaaftid saxib? mise sidaadii yaad gudhuu u tahay? Nin waynoo afsoomaali aan aqoon waa ceeb oo ku leh soomaali baan ahay. Afsoomaali igula hadal marka hore

Kashafa I want to see the youth and xizbul-islam sit and negotiate in good faith with Sheekh Shariif. He said he wants to negotiate, so let the opposition be smart and sit at the table first. let them be wise and utilize the local Media to convey their positions and win moral support for their stance if differences come out. They can put pressure on Sheekh Shariif to fulfill his announced promises without firing a shot first. A- Sharia laws to be implemented B- Current Amisom troops to leave and no additional foreign troops to arrive If these two demands are made and Sheekh Shariif violates one of them, there will be good justification to oppose his government. It is wise to negotiate first. I need some good reasons to support a war. Everyone is accountable in my book. PS: Abdi Qaybdiid is not my uncle. I have two uncles, one is dead and buried inside his home in Madiina, the other is in the US. Just because someone hails from the same clan doesn't make him an uncle of mine saxib. That is my firm belief and how I was raised. If I must support someone on the basis of clan, I will support someone with good values who is fighting for a just cause and who is from my clan. Thiery A government is one that has the interests of its people at heart, and it is one that offers peace, security and justice to the subjects it rules. The youth already offer that in areas they rule and people are quite content with such services. I was teaing at a relative's house when I was told a lorry from Galkacyo was hijacked by gunmen around Jowhar. The youth went after the lorry and recovered it. They called the owners and businessmen in Galkacyo and told them they can come and collect their car. People in Kismayo take their money in bags and stay late into the midngit for the first time in 15years. If that is not good service and governance, I don't know what else is. Muqdisho will suffer another humiliation and violence if Sheekh Shariif doesn't follow the example of his former friends mate. He needs them more than they need him. The islamists need to tone down the rhetoric in turn and make peaceful settlements possible. Everyone should chill for now. War is not necessary.

Originally posted by Allamagan: lool @ Xoogsade!! annagu tan (Sharif TFG) na ersan mayso Allaha u fududeeyo ... you just wait and see bacdal honey moon. secondly, it doesnt matter who the PM is, but what really matters is how all this came about and all that appeasement nature to it. I am not that optimistic whether it will bear any fruits at all (may Allah forbid). Hadda waa billow howlaha bro, we should be optimistic. Aniga shaqsi ahaan, the process and what transpired within the TFG is not a big concern. My concern is how they get along with others and bring Unity. I take the opposition groups to be sincere and their demands to be reasonable. They are not pursuing clan or personal agenda, so it is easy for Sheekh Shariif to evaluate and meet all reasonable demands they make at the table, return their sincerity with non-controversial policies. This debate about who Sheekh Shariif should have chosen as a PM misses the bigger points that are more important. TFGDa waa isku hal Organization, it doesn't matter who holds what position within itself, what matters is how they govern and get along with others who have legimite differences with them. If the TFG acts as if it has a mandate and can act as it pleases, expect problems. So far Sheekh Shariif said good things and he has yet to implement any major policies. It is too early to make a decision about his government or form a negative opinion. I am more pessimistic about the new troop deployments the US is pushing forward. That will definitely be a hurdle in teh way of negotiations. It will give the impression that Sheekh Shariif needs protection from Somalis like his predecessor. It is better for him to show trust in somalis and work with them. Someone should inform him as well how the money spent on foreign troops can be used to employ and build a good somali military. This is his first test for me. I wait and see. Xiin fariintaas ha iga gaarsiiyo Jaalle Shariif

Kashafa Saxib, The objectives of the Resistance for the past two years went this way: A- Eviction of Ethiopia --> The primary Goal B- Islamic Sharia Laws --> Secondary Goal The first was achieved and the human cost was great. Massive displacement to the tune of million plus and thousands of deaths with high civilian casualities. The vicitims of this war saw it as worth the sacrifice. The second objective is also achieved in all areas ruled by the opposition groups. Question is, how do you move forward now? 1- You can continue the war without the presence of Xabashi incendiary needed to fuel the passions and ultimately lose support, B- Adopt to the new realities on the ground and Negotiate, let Sheekh Shariif walk the talk. The guns should be silent for now saxib. Sheekh Shariif should be the one who introduces the conflicts so he takes the blame. That way, you get support from somalis who value justice over personalities. Shariif says he will talk and negotiate, it doesn't matter what people allege him to be, stooge or whatever, what matters is what he wants to do in the practical sense. He should be given the chance to make some decisions first. Horn and Allamagan Gedoboys, positionna kalaa u furan reeraha LOL. Halaga warsugo Shariifka.