Originally posted by shaken and deterred: ^^^ are they known for suicide bombings? most people see them as the group at the forefront of the resistance against the ethiopians, and that my friend does legitimize their cause in islam. btw, where are you getting the "women as shields" from? it sounds reminiscent of what the american media used to report about the iraqi insurgents, almost as a way to divert the blame of civilian death from the army. the insurgents were using bodies as shields though, and as other tools, but they were dead bodies of men, women and children. the facts are still quite horrific, but the media only transmitted a portion of the truth. p.s im not pro shabab, nor am i pro abdullahi yusuf/tfg. Al shabab are known for heinous acts like beheadings, killing aid workers and suicide bombings. If you don't want to take my word for it, research and read the news yourself. I also agree, neither al shabab or the TFG is good for somalia. But somehow, whenever one calls out the al shabab for what they are, accusations and insults are thrown left and right from people trying to defend these scum.

Originally posted by Grant: Beautiful pictures, thanks for posting them.

B_G Very weak argument. Just because someone has convinced themselves that what they're doing is legitimate and right does not make it so. For example, somali culture believes female circumcision is legitimate and right in our culture, but it's clearly a violation of islamic tenets and morally repugnant. Being a grown man doesn't mean one can do as he please's, there are laws and basic sense of morality. The same way, someone who's planning to join al shabab who are known to commit suicide bombings and kill innocents people must be stopped. Or are you saying suicide bombings is legitimate and right? Do not label these lunatics are 'resistance', there is no honor in using innocent women as shields and suicide bombings.

^ It would be my honor to take you there.

Aaliyah What's stopping you from visiting somalia now? Besides the south, most of somalia is relatively peaceful(but still somewhat dangerous). I plan to visit sometime soon, inshallah. You should go to sool, caynaba, sanaag(from pictures looks green an beautiful) etc and all over puntland. :And Bossaso is on it's way to become a world class african city. So there are plenty of options for you if you wanna visit somalia. Kismaayo was a beautiful city, but just like mogadisho the war has devastated the city and there is barely any development there. *BOB You're misinformed, cities like qardho, bossaso etc are very diverse and not just one clan lives there. In fact there are Oromo people, and people of all clans living in puntland. Most somali's have actually moved north, so it would not be surprising if the north is more diverse now.

^ Al shabab will never set foot in garowe and puntland, I will guarantee you that. No civilized and rational person supports al shabab lunatics, most somali youth are very much anti-shabab just as I am and these lunatics have no progressive answers for somalia's problems. With that said, I always said somali politics is a riddle wrapped in an enigma, and there no good guys in somalia. The only thing one can do, is take things and events one day at a time without letting emotions get the better of us.

Chocolate & honey Thanks, I agree with your sentiments exactly. Originally posted by Geel_jire: ^ You are falling for a not so clever three shell scam. lol@scam At least admit it was a pretty clever scam. Don't be paranoid sxb, there was no hidden agenda in this topic.

Originally posted by B_G: quote:Originally posted by Rahima: The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: “Help your brother, whether he is an oppressor or he is oppressed.” The Prophet was asked: “It is right to help him if he is oppressed, but how should we help him if he is an oppressor?” He replied: “By preventing him from oppressing others.” {Sahih Bukhari, Volume 3, Hadith 624} Narrated ‘Abdullah bin Umar: Allah’s Apostle said, “A Muslim is a brother of another Muslim, so he should not oppress him, nor should he hand him over to an oppressor . Whoever fulfilled the needs of his brother, Allah will fulfill his needs; whoever brought his (Muslim) brother out of a discomfort, Allah will bring him out of the discomforts of the Day of Resurrection, and whoever screened a Muslim, Allah will screen him on the Day of Resurrection .” {Book 43, Volume 3, Number 622: Sahih Buhari} JZK for the hadith, ya Rahima, though some people might think it equates to the morality of becoming lowlife jajuus and snitches in the masajids- in order to score political points. SOmali problems should sorted out the traditional way; police should be a last resort. How exactly do somali's sort out their problems the 'traditional way'?

Originally posted by Rahima: The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: “Help your brother, whether he is an oppressor or he is oppressed.” The Prophet was asked: “It is right to help him if he is oppressed, but how should we help him if he is an oppressor?” He replied: “By preventing him from oppressing others.” Thank you for posting this, this is what we as muslims should follow. Instead of protecting criminals and those who seek to oppress others. As for the masjid, until further information is available, I will leave it be. But if there were people recruiting young teenagers to fight for al shabab in somalia then the authorities should be promptly notified and made aware of these extremist recruiters.

Mujaahid Foot in mouth When you're in a hole , stop digging. You've made yourself look like a fool plenty of times on this forum. The discussion is about those who seek to recruit and manipulate young kids and send them to fight in somalia or other countries, that is wrong and should be condemened by all irrespective of ones political leanings. No one is talking about 'snitching' on masjids, or do you have comprehension problems?

Originally posted by Mujaahid Red Sea: Morales my foot. You are Daba ******, Ethiopian cyber boot licker, cyber harlot AY and his Ethiopian masters, what you know about doing the right thing? give me a break. Spoken like the true mental midget you are. You cannot put forth an argument without resorting childish insults?

shaken and deterred walaal, I don't know the whole story. But check the politics section. Supposedly there are al shabab recruiters sending kids off to somalia to fight. Anyway, that's not the whole point of the topic. I'm just amazed that grown people are acting like kids and imitating the "stop snitching" asinine hip hop campaign. My point is we should not be ashamed to report those who are planning or have done harm to the right authorities when it comes to serious crimes.

Originally posted by Mujaahid Red Sea: This whole thread isn't about informing anything. It relates to the recent snitching in MPLS done some arogant somalis like you who have shamed the somalis both here abroad and at home. You gonna have to live with that. This isn't my thoughts only, this is how ordinary somalis in Minnesota particularly feel, about the people like your type. It's about morals and doing the right thing my slow freind, but considering where you are from, what would you know about that? Anybody would inform the authorities about those who seek to manipulate and send kids off to somalia to commit suicide bombings. It's not even about politics but right and wrong.

Duke Smoke em out! These corrupt gardhere fake wadaads who recruit and manipulate impressionable kids to their deaths have no place in a civilized society.

Al shabab are hypocrite tuugo who mock islam, I have no idea how any muslim person can support these munaafiqs who have no long term for somalia. When did suicide bombing and using innocent civilians as shields become part of islamic jihad? I don't care for the TFG, but the al shabab are clearly the bigger evil between the two and any man or woman with a rational mind can see that.

^ geel_jire that maybe the reactions , but chocolate is right, a 11 year old kid is still a kid and this kind of affair could psychologically harm him.

This indhacadde tuug committed many atrocities against the people in the lower shabbele, and the ICU actually had him as a defense minister. All somali factions/groups are corrupt. That's why somali's should all go back to their degaans and build their regions.

red sea Sxb if your thoughts were currency, they'd be worth less than the zimbabwean dollar. ibtisam the terrorism is just one aspect of it, and I understand it can be sensitive, and one should only inform the authorities when they are absolutely sure. But what about other criminals, murderers, rapists etc we seem to have no problem protecting them or sending them to somalia where they will do more damage.

Lucky kid. Where were all these horny female teachers when I was in middle school? shiiiit!

Speaking of jinns, I hear it's possible to have a jin slave. I really wouldn't mind a female jinn maid.

Cara how about you and your drunk dinosaur friend either contribute to the topic or move along?

Would you inform the right authorities about somali's and other muslim criminals? Where does this childish backlash against informing the right authorities come from in the somali community? If we are to properly integrate into our host countries and take advantage of the benefits offered, then we must be willing to do our part to help fight terrorism, and criminals and let the system work. What do we gain from harboring and protecting criminals because they share a culture or religion with us? Why do somali's send their criminal relatives to somalia instead of letting the criminal justice(as imperfect as it maybe) systems of their respected countries deal with them? I remember reading about a case where a somali woman was being raped in Minneapolis I believe and not a single person called the authorities, where does this paranoid mentality come from? Thoughts?

Xiinfaniin You are loosing your marbles and dodging the questions, what's wrong with 'snitching' on those who seek to do harm to somalia and other innocent people? Not necessarily those who are politically opposed, but those who are going abroad to commit suicide bombings etc. I'm sure you have nothing to worry about unless your peace caravan is a cover to train al shabab and al qaida members

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: ^^Too bad Duke the snitch snatched that chance already! You will have to wait next chance. Also Gitmo is about to be faced out I will wait my turn, ee is ilaali sxb. Btw, what exactly is wrong with 'snitching'? indeed living in the western we are obligated to be part of the system. And sometimes that means notifying the right authorities about those who might be dangerous to your adopted country. Are you saying if there was a terrorist who was planning to bomb a western city and you knew about it, you would not 'snitch'? waxaas waa cagli xumo, it reminds of somali's who send their murderer relatives to somalia instead of making sure the courts deal with them. A murderer is a murderer and they should not be protected because they happen to share a religion or culture with you.

Originally posted by B_G: Ngonge, nagada smartypantska! My Question directly relates to Munafiqeen, Shabab and the Ayat which was presented as evidence for the claim which was made. The one who calls people Munafiq and deviant should be able to defend their own Aqeedah and political views. Imagine if somebody came on the forum posting articles about the ill effects of smoking; but then posted articles about how good it is to smoke Weed? The people would say: how can you believe smoking cigarettes is bad, but weed is good? no>? or is that a bad example? Does him believing weed is good invalidate his earlier claim that cigarettes are bad? no. Therefore, one would have to look at each claim on it's own, and not bring other irrelevant issues to the discussion. Btw, I also believe al shabab supporters inaa gitmo lagu tuuro kuligood, these extremists are bad for somalia and bad for muslims. I would be the first to snitch on these lunatics given the chance.