Don't you think I am aware of my situation. These days I have let myself go and life seems to be running with me, often with disastrous results. I am out of control and dazzled.

That is for the magistrate to decide on. You can call me whatever you want! After submitting my plea, they will take into consideration my current situation.

^I bet you do! Doesn't Dracula come from your neck of the woods! Bloody Romanian! lol.

What nonsense! Do you even know what I have been summoned for? I am not a thief!

^ easy to sit there and make judgements. I am the one who will have to face an incompetent magistrate, who will probably convict me!

Really annoying that the Brits are copying the Americans in the way elections are conducted. It should be able policies not personality. UK is a parliamentary democracy! why are they copying the Americans. This country has gone to the dogs!

Poor taste!

Originally posted by Baadiyow: The character known as B is funny. This las/lad is either an intellectually gifted person who wants to test the SOL members' or he/she is simply a person in need of some freduian help. Either way, he/she is insane in the membrane my friend, to reduce matters into a simple dichotomy is indeed taking the easy way out and simplistic. I am neither of the two.

Originally posted by Blessed.*: So, was the old lady Somali or another ethinicity? Its a white old guy. I think he was a doctor. i found it at mansion house on the district line on my way home.

Originally posted by Juxa: lol@blessed you are on mission since you discovered the real identity of B i think for weird reason the original B was quite harmless fella and almost sweet what is this you talk of? are you saying i am a phoney. I didnt expect this from you, because you have been kind and supportive to me. less you have evidence please dont talk of this again. I presume as a lawyer, you would be familiar with innocent until proven guilty principle. the onus of prove is on you!

Originally posted by *Ibtisam: Loool So much drama. Good next time you would think twice before using an old lady badge or not paying your rent. Part of growing up. When I was about 18/19 I got on the qaxoonti bus and forgot to buz in, they sent me to fast track mini court and fined me about 191 pounds including court charges. did not have to attend, just filled out a form for my defense (saying I forgot and the man won't let me buz in after he got on, even though I had a valid ticket) and that it could happen to anyone, and they should catch real criminals instead of chasing people we already paid for their ticket but forgot to buz in. Not long after they made it so that you only have to buz in if you are pay as you go rather than weekly or monthly. I applaude you for letting me know this. I feel better already. Its not as severe as my case but nonetheless its good to know others have also suffered this terrible ordeal.

The summons for the fare evasion offence came through this morning and I have to attend my local magistrate courts on the 20th of May 2010 for the hearing. Its over! I am done for. Nothing can be done to save me now!

Originally posted by NGONGE: Is this the new you, B ? Not a mummy's boy anymore? Not a plagiarising intellectual? Party pooper time miya? War go jump dee. I am glad you watch my postings with keen interest my friend. I don't intend to jump no bridge. its all in your mind. As for the topic itself. Conspiracy theorist are a little far-fetched in their theories, they are absurd and illogical. but I do believe there are evil force operating in this world.

my friend, this is the general section, your writing should have general target audience. But its a dedication to the above named individuals. Anyone else part-taking is one of the followers of the 'group'. What is this high school. with you being the jock and your friends being fellow jocks? Qashin indeed!

Are you sufi my friend?

Originally posted by Tuujiye: B wlc t o sol saaxiib.. people in here are alot smarter than you think... so B are you still a muslim or your Ailamos follower? I hear you brov. thanks for welcomes. I am a Muslim.

My view on this matter is that its all relative. Because the self-righteous people you mention only understand human nature and beliefs in terms of his or her own world-view. I feel Sometimes we need to be able to depart from our bias and prejudices so as to be objective in seeking reality.

Originally posted by nuune: quote:Originally posted by B: In your haste to accuse me of coping everything I post, I deny this allegation. Everything I have posted has been my own ideas, with background reading. I made subtle copies here and there but nothing that amounts to plagiarism. Are you still on it, not only you copied other people's stuff, you have also used plagiarism in its original format by editing original work to suit your argument, and worse, you have made great prostitution out of that book, waa dhillaysigii ugu weynaa eed ula kacdey buugaas . Just one small example, look what you wrote here: Somalis have been unable to correct the distortions paraded to them as truths so often and for so long that even the victims have begun to accept them as truths. You have changed this from African to Somalis , Original Work here why, and yet, you come back saying you didn't copy, you have commited the greatest prostitution of other people's work, stop it! I can continue and list every paragraph and sentence you copied and all your posts are just like that, but I won't do it, we all know you are just xabag geed ku dhagan oo u baahan in gacanta lagu soo rujiyo! PS: My offer for lift to the bridge is still valid! For goodness sakes Nuune! you have made your point. Now let it rest! :mad: p.s- if you must know I was using this as revision, to see alternative view points. Somalis/somalia was one of my chosen questions.

Originally posted by nuune: Blessed , don't worry dear, his whole last reply and most of his posts are copied from this book Where B copies his stuff from Almost every post he posts is from the internet, waxaas baad ku daaleesaan. Congratulations for your great investigative work Nuune. I am deeply humbled. I am ashamed of my sacrilegious act of plagiarism. I copied large sections of the books for this particular argument. The evidence is overwhelming. I apologies for my acts of plagiarism. I feel my ability has been compromised and I am deeply troubled by committing a grave act of present other peoples works as my own. In your haste to accuse me of coping everything I post, I deny this allegation. Everything I have posted has been my own ideas, with background reading. I made subtle copies here and there but nothing that amounts to plagiarism.

Originally posted by Karl_Polanyi: The first concern and priority of Islam is the establishment of tawheed( worshiping Allah only- according to way of his sent prophets) . Everything else, including culture, is, secondary in this matter. Many of the prophets in the Quran challenged thousands of years of history by attacking the idolotarous practices of their tribes. Allah said what roughly translate to as: "When it is said to them, follow what Allah has revealed, they say, No! We shall follow the way of our fathers. What! Even though their fathers were void of wisdom and guidance?" [5:104] So what your are directly calling us to do is to reject the message of the prophet Muhammad simply because it doesn't conform to the culture of your ancestors. You are indeed repeating the same argument the people of Nuh made: He is no more than a man like yourselves; his wish is to assert his superiority over you. If Allah had wished to send messengers, He could have sent down angels. Never did we hear such a thing as he says among our ancestors of old." [23:23-4] The people of Shuab also said: "Do you forbid us to worship of what our fathers worshipped?" [11:62] And the people of Saleh said: "Do you forbid us to worship of what our fathers worshipped?" [11:62] Today, this argument is repeated by the disbelievers from amongst the afrocentrics, and the followers of Ataturk, and the worshipers of Arabism, and finally, our confused Somalis. They say, " Islam was spread to us by Arabs, therefore, our culture has been erased". One simply refutes their argument by pointing out that the prophet Muhammd changed many aspects of Arab culture and he was fought by his own people. The Arabs went to war with him because they wanted to worship their old pagan dieties. When the prophet gained power he took down thousands of years of history by removing the idols from the Kaba. For your information, it was a black man, a former slave, an Ethiopian, by the name of Bilal, who took down the idols. Alcohol played great part of pre Islamic culture, yet when the Quran was revealed, alcohol ceased to play a central in Arab social circles. Arab women used to show their breasts in public, but this too ceased to exist. You see,as I said, the first priority of Islam is to call the people to worship Allah and follow his prophets. The companion of the prophet Muhammad said to the persian king, " “God sent us, and He brought us here in order to lead whom He wills from the worship of man to the worship of God alone". If your awowe worshiped a semi-pagan deity called Waaq- then it was the duty of the Arab Muslims to go to SOmalia and call the people to worship Allah and follow the prophet. We should be thanful for this, otherwise you could have been worshiping what the Masai and some Oromos worship. In Islam, there is no problem with your culture, that is, as long as it doesn't contradict the Quran and Sunnah. "When it is said to them, follow what Allah has revealed, they say, No! We shall follow the way of our fathers. What! Even though their fathers were void of wisdom and guidance?" [5:104] Islamic government of Bladland and Moorishland. My friend, I am in least bit concerned about your obfuscations and rebuttals and your quotes from people who are not Somalis, that is their experience and far removed from we as Somalis have experienced in the glory days you romanticise. Where are the Somali cases of divine intervention? How can we pretend to believe and engage with the facades of others? You are going on a tangent and missing the premise of my idea. None of the spiritual experiences of Africa has been given attention because none of them is coded in scriptural writings associated with prophets and holy men. The indigenous spiritual heritage of many African has largely been relegated to primitive expressions more akin to the unholy dark world of evil spirits and the devil. To many African devotees of Christianity and Islam, seeking African spiritual heritage is devil worship. To many other peoples, seeking African roots, once condemned and overwhelmed by foreign cultures, is a fulfilling experience. Therefore much of the African traditional wisdom and cultural heritage has been destroyed. Indeed, African have been encouraged to be ashamed of their heritage and to ape foreign cultures and values, much to their detriment. It is easy to appreciate why Islamic colonisers would have prevented indigenous forms of worship so that the ‘natives’ could be easily converted to the religion of the colonisers. All human beings have their traditional culture, knowledge, wisdom and values. These have accumulated over thousands of years; they have been passed from one generation to another. These accumulated heritages direct communities in time of peace, insecurities and in the time of birth, life and death. It is their antennae into the unknown future and their reference point into their past. While some people have invented the art of reading and writing and have been able to recorded their accumulated knowledge and wisdom, others pass it through oral instructions, stories, ceremonies, customs and rituals. Without any indigenous art of literacy or spiritual evidence, Somalis have been unable to correct the distortions paraded to them as truths so often and for so long that even the victims have begun to accept them as truths.

Originally posted by Haatu: B you are lost sxb. Our forefathers accepted Islam by their own accord, NO ONE FORCED THEM. You clearly have no knowledge of Somali history. According to whom? Were Somalis ripe and ready for exploitation, was it the perfect ground to transplant a new ideology? Did they wholeheartedly accept what the foreign preached without question? Was there no resistance to foreigners? History has shown that where there is occupier, there will also be resistance, whether it was Arabs, Ethiopians or white colonisers.

Originally posted by Karl_Polanyi: quote:Originally posted by B: quote: Originally posted by General Duke: quote: The conquerors have taken away our sense of self and replaced and given us their own values and ideals. There is cultural genocide being committed in somalia by Islam When did Arab's conquor Somalia? Adeer you need to think before you write. The marauders came at different times and used different methods of colonialisation. Using only violence to perpetuate their aims is not an exception. They used ‘soft’ power techniques to penetrate the east coast of Africa including trading and commerce but often masquerading as missionaries. Even using Arab-based Somali Diaspora counts as a form of transplantation of the Arab religion, customs and values into Somalia. So if the prophet Muhammad(saw) came to Somalia to spread Islam would you call him an Arab coloniser or invader? ps. it is widely believed that the companions of rasulullah migrated to Abysnia through the port of Zeila and some historians say Islam penetrated the Somali coast before some other places in the Middle East. My friend my concern here is not who spreads this 'foreign ideology, who propagates and how it got there but the fact that it’s become part and parcel of Somalia history. It’s irrelevant that Somalis becomes Muslims before parts of the Middle Eastern but ultimately the customs of our ancestors has been replaced by foreign values that have no respect for the indigenous culture that flourished there before their arrival. If the Prophet sent invaders or envoys there is no difference. The fact remains that they came with the same intention and that was to replace what was already in existence.

Originally posted by Gheelle.T: Is English language foreign idea as well, Mr. B? English is also my intellectual heritage. Although foreign in nature, it’s a by-product of Somalia’s complex histories. I use the language not as an acceptance of oppression and English hegemony but as a 'tool' of defence to articulate my perspective against them.

Originally posted by General Duke: quote: The conquerors have taken away our sense of self and replaced and given us their own values and ideals. There is cultural genocide being committed in somalia by Islam When did Arab's conquor Somalia? Adeer you need to think before you write. The marauders came at different times and used different methods of colonialisation. Using only violence to perpetuate their aims is not an exception. They used ‘soft’ power techniques to penetrate the east coast of Africa including trading and commerce but often masquerading as missionaries. Even using Arab-based Somali Diaspora counts as a form of transplantation of the Arab religion, customs and values into Somalia.

Originally posted by Sayid*Somal: Our neighbour has suddenly died couple weeks ago and his funeral is on next week. I am bit unsure as to what to do - another neighbour has put me on the spot by asking whether I am intending to attend the funeral or not. To make the matter worse - the diseased was gay - and whilst I do not condone his practises - he was good neighbour. I asked sheikh search engine - but the answers were contradicting to say the least and when I asked for Daliil - they suggest some Arab/Pakistani guys' names. What ye say the Somali gallery who are more knowledgeable about Islam than I?? I am only clear about offering condolences and visiting the sick regardless of their faith - if one is allowed to attend the funeral - what is the protocol?? it doesn't matter if your neighbour is Muslim or not. You have an obligation to attend. You should go to the funeral. Why do you need the consent of some breaded man in Mecca or Lahore to go, use your own intuition. Do you ask them to intercede on your behalf when you pray? The answer is No! so therefore use your own intellect and pay your respect to the deceased neighbour.