Thanks brother. I don't want to keep you busy now as you have found ample time to frame a response to the questions of Xiin. I wish to say though that whether faith will be lost is conditional. We went through more trying times, for example in the colonial era, and no faith was lost. Besides the waring parts are each claiming that they want to preserve the faith; but in practice do not care to preserve Life. It is the responsibility of the individual to preserve his faith. What we can do is to realize the sanctity of his life and accord him peace. Is that difficult? No. The Awakener2

Without taking consideration to the inherent Principals of the wisdom of the heart no answer given here will benefit us much. What is the wisdom of the heart ? The wisdom of the heart basically means when one makes a decission one ought ask: 1) Is my decission correct? 2) Is its application kind? 3) Is it neccesary to carry out my decission? If one of the answers is negative then it would be wise to refrain to carry out your decission. In other words whatever the head claims to be correct should be checked and aligned with what the heart feels. Only when the heart and head are in sync would the effects of your actions be beneficial. This is a yardstick which we can use to find answers to the difficult but important questions rised in this topic. Using the yardstick we may ask then: 1) is fighting with the TFG permissible and in accord with the islamic teaching? 2) Even IF it is permissible is it kind to wage war in the country or areas populated by defenceless civilians? 3) Is it necessary to wage such a war now in light of the prevalent global, regional and local conditions? We are on a shaky ground if one of the above answers is negative let alone if two or all three are! The above questions are the same as Xiin and many others are asking but I formulated them in my own way. In my opinion there can not be any theological justification, neither from the TFG nor from Alshabaab, to slaughter our civilians as they are doing now. And anyone who justifies the perpetuation of the ongoing war should look deep into his heart. Peace The Awakener2

Priviously posted by MW. ........my sincere advice is...do not forget to pause and thank allah for the knowledge he has given you..and then he might reveal more bits of the grand ordinance of his creation...in order to receive the answers you seek, you must earn them from him...by humbly acknowledging your ignorance to him and praying to receive more..... Thanks brother. This is wisdom we easily forget or rather overlook. Whatever Life brings in our door step, both good and bad, we have to thank God. The attitude that everything that comes to us is for our best and gives us an opportunity for growth is positive one; hence the wisdom of thanking God for all experiences. Ps. Your username does not reflect your wisdom. It may be wise to change it- just a suggestion. The Awakener2

Indeed it is an interesting discussion; and thanks Paragon; I visit this forum regularly but I limit my contributions. I contribute only when I feel it is a right time to say something. Now if I may say several words about the topic in discussion the true nature of creation makes no sense unless we add Soul to the equation. We mostly lack knowledge for example of the role, power and position of Soul in the constitution of man. Regardless of our level of education we remain ignorant and in a confused state of mind unless these factors are known to us. Evil exists because it is in the Divine Plan of the Creator to exists. In the religious circles it is agreed that God creates, preserves and destroys! Evil then is the destructive force in the created universe. It comes into force when an old has to go so that a new thing can replace it. The challenge here is when we believe that one for example dies. One does not die in the real sense of the word! One passes over to another reality and lives on. The materialistic conceptual view that one ceases to exist when one dies is in fact a delusion of colossal proportions. Wisdom and LOVE can be antidotes to the effects of Evil. The Awakener2

It seems that this topic is still here coming back with ever new twists and turns but mainly for inspirational purposes. From my perspective the topic is about Self knowledge as such a Self knowledge is key to the knowledge of God. Now I would like to share with you this video. The video is about a neuroanatomist doctor who experiences other state of self awareness after she recieved massive stroke in her left side of the brain. Although her analytical side of the brain, the left hemisphere, was no longer functional still she continued to have awareness but of different type. Everyone of us is more than what his sensory organs tell him. One has to realize that one is the perceiver of reality; an entity which survives death. This has to be comforting thought to every loving heart. The Awakener2

Thanks Nogobawi, As is evident from the video you presented there are two words or rather emotions which can facilitate healing in the human organism namely the feeling of LOVE and the feeling of COMPASSION. Those are the emotions which heal the body while the emotion of hatred and hostility cause the opposite effect. You will not need to go often to a doctor if you can train yourself to think and act in a loving and compassionate way; further more those around you will adore you with all their hearts; on the other hand peace and prosperity are rewards for the society which has love as a way of life! Hence it is sane and sound to keep away from the people who preach hatred and hostility as they are destroyers. The Awakener2

In my mind the universe is so extensive and have corners for every sort of experience. Ours is a place where beings can experience evil while conversely in other corners, the heavens, exists a life of joy untouched by evil. For an eternal life for Soul its earthly sojourn is like a second. The Awakener2

If everything that is tangible is my perception how can I then understand or explain to another person that which is neither perceivable or conceivable? It has to be vain to try to explain what the most transcendent is! The Awakener2

Brother Nur, It is Ramadan now. Insha-Allah we will continue this discussion in another time. But let me say this now because I may not be available for comments for a while. 1) My view points are personal and not representative for Sufis or any other group. 2) I don't condone neither do I accept foreign intervention in our country or their involvement in our affairs. Differences between Somalis should be exclusively for us to solve in a manner and through methods we choose. 3) It is only us, Somalis, who have right to decide our fate. It is paramount though that we unite our goals and aspirations. Only then can we keep foreigners with their own agendas out. 4)Politics is not my favourite subject. I'm unsure why I have to participate in this one. :confused: Now some comments about your answers: B) The war in Somalia is a power struggle. You agreed with my contention but added it is the opposition who represent Allah's power and want to establish Allah's law and the Sovereignty of Somalia. But the problem here as I see it is that, for the good of the people, the opposition has yet to show willingness to share power with anyone. Although there is merit in the argument that the opposition will not share power with criminals still we know that everyone in the TFG is not a criminal. The opposition can come to power either through consensus and compromise or through war. Although the later is costly both in life and material still the opposition has yet to choose peace as a political platform! Consensus and compromise is the option; the sooner the parts realise that peace is the option the better! t) About the role of the Sufis. You say that they are invented by the the warlords to keep Somalia as Ethiopia's slave, and stop the liberation movements trying to revive Somalia's Sovereignty and Establishment of Sharia. The real Sufis do not want any conflict with anyone. They are generally peaceful and peace loving. Yet they are now wrongly labelled as deviant sect by the opposition in Somalia and already in many areas which are under their control the activities of the Sufis is severely curtailed and their way of life threatened. Such acts as done by the opposition are not conducive to an air of friendship and brotherliness which all Muslims have to share. I have not seen you make your views about this known! What do you think? Compromise and seeking consensus with the Sufis can heal the wounds and re-establish trust. J) About considering the others as equals. You answer:Brother, Allah SWT says, " A fa najcalul mujrimiina kal muslimiina, maa lakum kayfa taxkumuun Allah also says [i[ wa laa tahinuu wa laa taxzanuu wa antumul aclawna in kuntum muminiin[/i] My assertion is directed to equality between Muslim people in a Muslim country and about Muslim affairs. I have yet to understand how anyone can benefit, in here or hereafter, from groundlessly calling others khawaarij, murtid or mujrim. These name callings which are used as war propaganda by all sides now has breed artificial inequality between our Muslim brothers and sisters and consequently has already weakened the fabric of our society. It is not an option to remain divided. X)The Islamic revivalists and if they are experiencing problems lately. One has always many options brother which can solve challenges. It is imperative to choose the most humane option which would alleviate ones problem. Choosing humane ways is what the voiceless people in Somalia are asking the waring parts to do. How can anyone be serving God when inocents are dying every day because of his actions? Waging endless and meaningless war, calling Ethiopians or other foreigners for help or usurping the will of the people by a group are not options. Peaceful resolution of the conflict by all parts is the option. May the Highest and most Merciful guide all of us. Ramadan kariim The Awakener

Waa hore iyo hadda. Waxaa bilowgii sannadihii 1980dii dawladda Soomaaliya wasiirka caddaaladda u ahaa nin la oran jiray Sheekh Xasan( Xasan Daahir Aways ma aha). Wuxuu ahaa nin diinta in badan ka yaqaan oo jawaab waafi ah oo diini ah bixin kara. Mar uu haddaba booqasho ugu tegey tolkiis oo markaas jabhaddii SNMta teegeerayey ayaa waxaa laga weriyey inuu yiri " nimanka gaalada u galay ee dagaalka ka soo qaadaya Ethoipia diinta way ka baxeen. Naagahooduna way ka furmeen. Aniga ayaa ninkii doonaya u meherinaya". Daliilo diini ah ayuu markaas cuskaday oo uu ku adkeeyey oraahdiisii. Waa lagu kala cararay meeshii waayo wax aan loo joogin ayuu ku hadlay Sheekhii ay ogaayeen inuu diinta yaqaan. Isla markiiba buuqii dhacay waxaa dadkii ka soo dhex baxay niman kale oo aqoon diimeed lagu tuhmayey kuwaas oo beeniyey wixii Sheekh Xasan sheegay kuna tilmaamay isaga nin la soo adeegsaday. Iyaguna daliilo diini ah ayey cuskadeen oo markaas ay ku beeniyeen oraahdii Sheekh Xasan. Kitaab gaable iyo dad badan oo caammo ah madaxa ayey ruxeen markay ku wareereen sidan iska soo horjeedda ee ay culimadii wax u fasireen. Maantana masalo taas la mid ah ayaa taagan. Marka aad weydiiso wadaad in dagaalka maanta Soomaaliya ka socdaa xaq yahay iyo in kale jawaabta lagu siiyaa badi waxay ku xiran tahay kooxaha dagaalamaya maanta midda wadaadku mabda' taageeran yahay; kan Sheekh Shariif taageersan, kan Xasan Daahir taageersan iyo kan Al-shabaab taageersan waxay u badan tahay saddex jawaabood oo iska soo horjeeda inay ku siiyaan. Waxaan oran karaa kitaab gaable iyo caammadii way ku wareereen sidan; hantidoodii iyo naftoodiina qaar badan baa ku waayey. Rag se meesha laguma hayo ee Rabbi ayey leedahay! Toosiye

Brother Nur, First the war in Somalia now is about power struggle brother. It has nothing to do with Sufis and Salafis. Neither has it do with the tenants of Islam and, in my opinion, the continuation of this war is un-islamic in every definition of the word. Second all of us need to understand the wisdom which states that :What goes out comes around. It simple means for example that: 1) If you take a gun and go to fight you will meet an enemy in the field. Blood shed becomes the result. 2) If the others are wrong and you are right then you will be attracted to others who see you as the wrong one. The result becomes arguments, weak social cohesion and can result in fighting and wars. 3) If you are not considering the others as equals with equal rights the others will do the same to you. Consequently unequality causes a feeling of unjustice and invites organised and open rebellion. 4) If you use force to subjugate a weaker part an external stronger power/person comes, takes the power from you and subjugates you. The consequences becomes lost dreams and shattered egoes. One could in fact predict the outcome of his/her actions by simply becoming aware of this wisdom. Like boomerang actions always come back to their originators. Therefore if the islamic revivalists have been experiencing problems lately it has mainly to do with them. They just need to look deep into their actions and come up with methods that bring constructive results for all- not only for themselves. Ramadan kariim The Awakener2

The King Once upon a time there was king. He ruled his kingdom wisely and in justice and all his subjects enjoyed abundance in every field of their life. Happiness prevailed in his kingdom and ills were unknown. One day the king noticed that his six sons and six daughters and many of his subjects were just playing and enjoying themselves; they were not learning to help one other; specially his 12 children unaware of their responsibility that one day they will rule a kingdom acted selfishly by rejoicing in a delightful life with comfort and affluence and giving nothing back. The king felt that he had to teach his children about the consequences of these self-serving acts. He also felt that his children and subjects needed to appreciate the gifts that life showered on them. The king as the sovereign ruler had also felt that laws which he wishes to govern his subjects had to be made known to them and be obeyed without reservation. At a fringe of his kingdom a school was prepared and after stern trainers were selected the king decreed for his 12 children and many of his subjects to go in exile. In their destination they had to sleep with the swine,the hyena and lion; they had to experience hitherto unknown conditions in their life like hatred, anger and vanity; scarcity, hunger and many sorts of illnesses; conversely they had to experience many of the good things that life could offer both in fame and in fortune to them. The aim of the king was to provide the children with a place where they could experience both the good and the bad and in the process could grow both in wisdom and in their ability to make the right judgment about the experiences of life. After a veil was drawn into their memories his children were sent to their prepared school and since then they have been living there wondering what in Gods name this is all about. The King loved his children so dearly and looked after them. Even in their darkest moments he took care of them in ways the children could not understand. Among other things in exile his children had to learn to give love unconditionally without fear or compulsion from outside power or entity. In that way they would contribute to serve one another, without precondition, instead of serving the Self. They had also to follow and respect whatever the king ordained in their school of learning: laws, conditions of life, circumastances etc. In a kingdom with scarcity there were always limited choices to make. Why ? Because the king made it so. Law ? yes! Why ? The king ordained them and there is no escape from it! On the other hand the king prepared the way of return for his children. When they finish their lower schooling they will meet with their father and king again individually; and at that meeting will realize their birth rights. This will become a joyous moment for the children because the veil on their memories will also be lifted and they will remember who they are. End It is ok that you could not agree on the subject matter. Everyone of you is experessing his/her level of understanding. That is natural and has to be respected. It is useful to discuss because regardless of our intellectual differences still everyone of us is both teacher and student to the others. So carry on please. I was just passing by! I hope also the above metaphor will not confuse you. From the bright side it may inspire some of you to think new thoughts. Ramadan Kariim. The Awakener2

Aamiin, Ilaahay soomaalida xal ha furo kuwii dantooda gartana ha ka yeelo. Fekerkeennu xagga nabad doonka waa ka mid. Nabadda cid diidani way yar tahay. Waxaa laysku hayaa sidan ayey nabadi ku imaanaysaa iyo MAYA ee sidaas ha la yeelo sidaas bay nabadi ku imaanaysaa. Erayga maya weeyaan kan wel-welka abuuraya. Waxa loo baahan yahay in aynu la nimaadno wada-tashi iyo isu-tanaasul. Waa in lays dhegaystaa oo laysu turaa. Dadka wada dhashay sidaas ayey u dhaqmaan. Waxaa jira dad maxas ah oo aan sugi karin nabad cago jiid ah; amaba aan u adkaysan karin in mar dambe laysla jiiro. Labo sano ma sugi karaan dadkaasi. Karaamo ayeyna leeyihiin Ilaahayna isagoo inagu eegaya haddana isagaa ilaashanaya. Dhibaato aan laga soo waaqsan karin ayeynu ku mutaysan karnaa arxan la'aan joogto ah oo aynu kula kacno "looma oyaankaas". Caqliga sami wuxuu markaas ku oranayaa nabadda waa in la soo dedejiyaa! Ilaahay qalbigeenna ha isu soo jeediyo. Toosiye2

Xiin, Walaal qaybta aad soo qaadatay waan ka saaray qoraalkayga. Intii aadan soo jawaabin ka hor. Farta ayaa iga boobtay markaan qorayey ee hore. Sida caamada haddaan wax u dhigay caamo ayaan u badan nahay haddaan soomaali nahay. Marka inta san had iyo goor in la dhaho lana falo ayaa wanaagsan. Waxaa loo bahan yahay waa nabad in dalka lagu soo dabaalo kadibna loo tashado sidii aynu isu xukumi lahayn. Caamadu siday doonaysaa waa sidaas. Toosiye2

Walaal Xiin, Adigaa mudan. Runtii adiga iyo Nur waxaad uun soo bandhigteen fekerka ay kala qabaan labada garab ee Midowgii Maxkamadduhu u kala jabay. Sidaas waxaan u leeyahay saddexda gole ee dawladdu ka samaysan tahay hadda waxaa u badan yihiin xubno ka soo jeeda midowgii maxkamadaha iyo waxay cago ku jiitaan. Dadka Tfgdii ka tirsan ee golayaasha ku jiraa aqlabiyad ku filan oo ay go'aan meel ku marin karaan ma leh. Sidaas darteed sheegistoodu qiimo caynkaas ah ma leh. Markay Ethiopian-ku dalka ka baxeen waxaa la sugi karay in aynu dabaaldeg weyn qabano oo Rabbi bari ku xejino oo guusha inoo soo hoyatay sidii aynu u xafidan lahayn hawsheeda ku dhaqaaqno inaga oo mid ah. Waxaa kale oo la dhowrayey in aynaan Ilaahay ka abaal ka darin ee salaatul shukri tukano. Iska daa salaatul shukri aynu tukano ee taladeennii waxay noqotay, ayaan darro, sidan iska soo horjeeda ee aad cabirteen . Arrinta meesha taal waa siyaasad ee ma aha diin. Sababtaas weeyaan sababta aad isku faham u noqon weydeen adiga iyo Nur. Si kastoo laysugu dayo in diin lagu sifeeyo ama shuruudo diini ah loo soo bandhigo runtu waxaa weeye khilaafka u dhexeeya dawladda iyo Al-shabaab weji diimeed ma leh. waan khaldanaan karaa laakiin taasi waa aragtidayda. Waxaase ina shaki saari doonta Insha-Allaah, marka sida aan sugayno ku dhaqanka shareecada Islaamka waddanka laga hirgeliyo ee isla markaas iska soo horjeedkani dhammaan waayo. Al-shabaab dagaal dambe ayaannu ridaynaa hadday yiraahdaan way ku khaldan yihiin. Laakiin markay guusha soo hooyeen in la baal maro iyaduna waa khalad. Marka xal san waa in la keenaa- labada dhinacba! Geel_jire, Marka la kala shakisan yahay waxkastaa waa dhib. Ciidamada dalka joogaa khilaafka soomaalida dhexdeeda ka jira ayey markii horena ku yimaadeen haddana ku joogaan. Waxaa loo baahan yahay in soomaalidu heshiiso oo markaas iska saaraan ciidamadan ajnebiga. Su'aashu waxaa weeye: maxay soomaalidu u heshiin la'dahay? Ilaahay waxa inoo danta ah ha ina garan siiyo. Toosiye2

Waqtigan aan joogno taarikhiyan waxaan taagan nahay meel waddooyin badan oo isgooyaa ay ku kulman. Meesha aan u dhaqaaqi doonno waxay ku xiran tahay doorashada aan hadda samayno. Dhowr goor oo hore ayeynu isgoyskan maray oo nasiib-darro aynu jid khalad ah dooranay. Markii ugu dambaysay ee aan isgooyskan maray waxay ahayd sannadkii 1978dii. Dagaalkii aan Ethiopia la galnay ee Soomaali Galbeed baa sannadkaas bilowgiisii dhammaaday. Soomaalida ciidamadeedii ayaa iyadoo la kaashanayo ciidamo Cuban ah iyo kuwo Yemen ah laga soo saaray dhulka Soomaali Galbeed. Hammo soomaali oo dhammi ku riyoonaysay oo ahayd inta shanta soomaaliyeed la xoreeyo in kadibna ay midoobaan ayaa halkaas ku fashilantay. Dawladdii Soomaaliyeed ee markaas jirtay oo dagaalka gelistiisa iyo hirgelintiisa maamushay ayaa mashruucaas ku fashilantay. Madaama dagaalku uu natiijo aan laga baxsan karin reebo waxay ahayd in madaxdii markaas jirtay ay tallaabo geesinimo leh ku dhaqaaqaan. Maxay ahayd tallaabadaas? Labo jid ayaa u furnaa markaas: 1) In ay aqbalaan in dariiqii ay ummadda ku hoggaamiyeen lagu hungoobay mas'uuliyadda ugu sarraysa ee fashilkana ay iyagu leeyihiin. Dastuurkii la laalay ee 1960kii la soo celiyo, doorashooyin dalka laga diyaariyo oo xukunka si nabad ah dadka qaabkaas loogu soo celiyo ciidamaduna xeryahooda ku noqdaan iyagoo sharaf leh oo ammaanan. 2) In ay xukunka adkaystaan, in fashil dhacay ay inkiraan, dembigana quwado shisheeye oo Ethiopia u soo hiiliyey ay saraan. Waynu ognahay oo jidka dambe ayey doorteen wixii dhacayna hadda waa taariikh. Maxaa dhici lahaa haddii ay dooran lahaayeen dariiqa hore? Ma garan karno laakiin waxaynu u badin karnaaa in waddankuna badbaadi lahaa madaxdii sidaas yeeshayna baal dahab ah lagu qori lahaa!! Waxaa ka hoos baxday oo tallaabo geesinimo ah noqon lahayd haddii ay dooran lahaayeen inay xukunka ka degaan si markaas dadku u doortaan maamul qaran oo cusub. Baalka dahabka ah sidaas ayey ku istaahili lahaayeen. Hadda meeshii ayeynu mar labaad ku soo noqonay dariiqa aynu doorano ayaana barwaaqo ama balanbal inoo hoggaamin doona. Al-shabaab waxaa weeyaan nimanka guushan iyo xornimada soo hooyey. labo dariiq baa u furan: 1) in ay nabad qaataan oo ka dhaartaan in xabaddii cadow ay dalka kaga eryeen qof soomaaliyeed uusan geyin. Isla markaasna ay hormood u noqdaan dibu-u-dhis ka hirgala dalka. 2)In aysan cidna dhegaysan ee dagaal way ku guulaysteen ee wixii kale ee ay doonayaanna dagaal ku raadiyaan!! Dariiqa labaad haddii ay Al-shabaab iyo inta la feker ah ay doortaan wuxuu la mid noqonayaa kii xukumaddii Siyaad Barre ay raacday oo kale. Waa inoo dal la'aan iyo dad la'aan. Sadaal xun in aan bixiyo ma rabo laakiin dib u eeg 20kii sano ee la soo dhaafay! Sidaas ama si darran ayey noqon kartaa. Dariiqa kowaad haddii ay doortaan Al-shabaab iyo dadka la feker ah waxaa ay muujiyeen raxmad ummaddana may xorayn keliya ee way u tureen. Ifkana abaal bay u haynaysaa ummaddu, haddii/marka ay awooddona way u abaal-gudaysaa, aakhirona wax wanaagsan bay la tegayaan waayo, wanaagga ay diinta iyo dadka u galeen ka sokow, buuggooda waxaa ka marnaanaya dhiig islaam oo ay galeen! Waa maxay tallaabo geesinimo ah oo ay Al-shabaab qaadi karaan hadda? Waxaa tallaabo geesinimo ah inay Al-shabaab doortaan dariiqa nabadda iyo isu tanaasulka. Baal dahab ah sidaas ayey ku kasban karaan. Waxaa ku talinayaa in aan nabad qaadano. Lagumaba khasaari karo nabad. Toosiye2

Meiji, Thanks for your remarks. The pastoral way of life has been declining more than at least two generations now. This became accelarated particularly after the Second World War when the demobilized Somali soldiers came back to their places of origin in the pastoral areas and told about the wonders of the civilized world and cities they saw. Also the few nomads who visited the nascent towns in Somalia saw better living standard in the towns and an "ease" of life one could enjoy there; a new hope for change was born in the nomadic consciousness then; a song composer at that era reflected the sentiments of the pastoralists when he said: qarqaray, cirka qow-qowlow qarqaray, qaawanaantayduu arkaa, ee qudhayda xaggaan dhigaa ( I’m shivering, shivering of the thundering rain in the sky. It sees my lack of shelter, how would I save myself); another composer praised the ideal house, daar-houses, by saying ”nin daar ku jiraa daruur ma arkee illayn xalay roobku waa da’ay ( a man living in a daar-house -in the town- can neither see the clouds nor can he know when it rains at night )". In our time the younger xalimos and lads are no longer interested camel and goat herding; more than 70% of the population in the towns and cities in Somalia are from the rural areas. The pastoral economic base is no longer viable and can not survive in its present form but the pastoralist mindset continues to persist,I may say, in a but weakened and impure form in our urban areas; the majority of those Somalis who are of age fifty or older, whether they are sheikhs, Sharifs or PHD. holders have the pastoralist way of life as dominant mindset; many if not the majority of them are causing havoc in our midest because they lack particular guiding values they observe. I mean it may take several more generations before people who cherish the values of a nation or earnestly observe Islamic values become majority in our country; pessimistic assessment but probable a true one. For the time being we are predominantly nomads in all possible ways of Life. There may be among us a handful who have other dominant ways of Life but they also are in the limbo of “ fiqi tolkii kama janno tago”. In conclusion the western minded elite can offset the nomadic mindset by offering a satisfactory living standard for everyone; can they do that or willing to work for that? The Ulema can offset it if they forget about acquiring political power but rather concentrate their efforts to educate the poeple. Are they willing to make such a sacrifice now? Although it is not ideal still the pure traditional way of Life was not all that bad. Are we willing to revert to it? Change we must! But to where and who do we trust and should lead us? The Awakener2

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Naxar Nugaaleed, I personally think that applying sharia will not make Somalia a theocratic state. If we have to implement sharia it is natural we call experts from the religious field specially sharia and fiqh. Without them the implementation will probable become only nominal and nothing will change for us. As to the assertion that we are ‘100% Muslim and ( already ) follow the laws of Allah’ you may ask why do we kill one another then? It is for bidden to kill a fellow Muslim and we have been doing this for centuries without regret or remorse. From the line of your thought One can not help but think if the people who have been doing this are already following the Sharia then there must be something wrong with the Sharia itself. The fact is we are NOT following anything of value let alone Sharia. The aspects of the interpretation of Koran and Sunnah will be covered in this topic. Among other things the position of ijtihâd' specially when it comes to fiqh/Shari'a will probable be discussed in detail. hence hold your horse and wait what comes through the pen of the contributors. feel free though to forward you concerns and questions. Thanks. The Awakener2

Brother Nur, This is excellent stuff you have presented in here. I personally admire it and I don’t know where I got the idea that we differ in the nature and the process of the implementation of the Sharia but the similarities strike me now. Just to recap again points that we agree: Are we ready for the implementation of Sharia now? You wrote: Below is an old write up of mine (2003) about the implementation of Criminal aspects of the Sharia Law. At that distant time, I was of the opinion that the nation was not ( Aqeeda wise) ready for the Sharia law. My views are not static, everytime I find a wisdom that is rooted in Quraan and Sunnah, I adopt it as the Prophet SAWS said ( Wisdom is the lost property of a believer). …………Applying part of Islamic laws in makeshift courts, will alienate those who are sympathetic to Islam, because the beauty of Islam resides in its enforcement of Islamic laws as a WHOLESOME and COMPLETE jurisprudence, not selective pieces and parts. The laws of Islam can only be enforced within a community that is willing to abide by the moral of the law before the letter of the law, and we all know, that such a community, does not exisit today, even if it exists in a geographical terms, it does not yet have the international community mandate or understanding that it needs to declare such a sovereign state. ………….so, up until a willing community which can best represent Islam in all spheres of life is born; applying the Islamic law in parts may not serve the best interests of Islam. c I wrote quote: …… can the implementation of the Sharia bring adequate level of justice to the people in our country soon enough? My answer is probable not. .... Save of Divine intervention we can expect adequate level of justice in our country first when two primary conditions are met, namely: 1) when our religious elite are pious, united and steadfastly lead us to the righteous path. 2) Our people are ready to embrace the Islamic way of Life and strive to do their religious obligations to the best of their ability as it is prescribed in the Koran and Sunnah; it is our free will collectively and individually - which has- to bring these two conditions into action; as you may agree with me, for now, we are not as ready as we wished. We agree that the people have to be educated first and their moral values emancipated. It is also my understanding that We also agree, that any criminal procedures which have been done on the name of Sharia,until now, could be classified as haste work and does not serve the best interest of Islam. Did I mention about the desecration of the cemeteries? No but that can wait!! The Awakener2

Brother Nur, I know that some topics need extensive answers and this can be one of them. But it is natural that those who have more should give more; the more you give the more people expect from you; sometimes you may even feel exhausted by the demand but there is no letup. That is what I'm doing now by asking you to give us more answers about this topic. Now if I may address your question: Why Sharia? And Why now? The answer is justice or rather the lack of it in our country. That is the main driver for the convergence of Somalis to choose now the implementation of the Sharia in Somalia. People beleive that the implementation of the Sharia will bring justice for us in here and here-after. We can ask though can the implementation of the Sharia bring adequate level of justice to the people in our country soon enough? My answer is probable not. Hold on! Save of Divine intervention we can expect adequate level of justice in our country first when two primary conditions are met,namely: 1) when our religious elite are pious, united and steadfastly lead us to the righteous path. 2) Our people are ready to embrace the Islamic way of Life and strive to do their religious obligations to the best of their ability as it is prescribed in the Koran and Sunnah; it is our free will collectively and individually to bring these two conditions into action; as you may agree with me, for now, we are not as ready as we wished. And without peace and unity we may never be there. In fact we are up for a challenge here and it is not all sweets. But in order to solve the challenge the worst thing we could do is to continue to kill one another. Or rejoice when those you disagree with are killed. The justice we are seeking can not come in that manner. In my view brothers and sisters the question is not why Sharia and why now because we have already gone beyond that stage. Using the Sharia as a guide it is more on how we should proceed on in a peaceful way from the present decentralized form of implementation of the Sharia to a coherent unity which has central administration which upholds Islam and lives in peace with itself and its neighbours. Abu_Diaby- Al Zeylac Thanks for your input.I do not endorse nor do I disagree on the review which I presented as a link. I have just chosen it so that we can look the arguements from both the yes and no sides for the implementation of the Sharia. It is ment merely to encourage discussion from all sides in this forum. Finally I would be glad if someone takes up the number 4 sup-topic in my first posting. Thanks The awakener2

If I may add my input into the discussion it is that Truth ( in its religious connotation) has lasting effect on the person when it benefits him in practical ways he can readily recognize in his Life in here and now. It is in fact happiness that everyone of us is seeking both in here and for those who believe in the here-after. That is why some of us become religious or spiritual. Others seek money and other material commodities but mainly gain neither satisfaction nor happiness. Initially what the religious person wishes is to come nearer to the Creator and in the process get the help and by the GRACE of God be delivered from the ills of Life. Among the ills of Life is ignorance! Ignorance of: 1) Who you are. 2) Where you come from. 3) What you are doing here. 4) where you will go when your Life in here is finished. Someone who wants to get the above answers is among other things called seeker- of the Truth. When the answers of these questions are sufficiently revealed to a seeker in a conscious level LOVE becomes the reward. Wisdom about the creation and its relation to the Creator is gained and then.......real and relatively lasting happiness reigns. The Seeker becomes at PEACE both with himself and with his environment. Isn't it happiness that which everyone is seeking? Then as I said the key is self-(re)-membrance.The reason one becomes unhappy is because mainly he has forgotten who he is and what his relationship is with other forms of Life. Unless this is addressed and sufficient answer is gained the person is prone to suffer of mental ills, emotional upheavals and other discomforts of Life. Anything short of realizing your Self as Spiritual Being, and realizing the others as equal Soul of eternal Life, is comparatively childs play and in consequence does not give genuine happiness to the person. It is claimed that it is when the seeker realizes Self and after that realizes God that Truth then benefits him in abundance in practicals ways in his life in here- and also in the here-after. The Awakener2

One possible hot topic that is actual now is about the implementation of Islamic law, Shari’a, in our country. While there is general agreement among the Somalis about the need to adopt Shari’a as the sole source for our legal system still our knowledge of how it should be implemented is shallow you may say: one could claim that this is true for the most , if not all, of the Somali religious scholars. The path forward seems unclear and our differences direr if we do not mend our disagreements, in this respect about the implementation of Shari'a, in a peaceful and loving way. Pertinent sub-topics can be: 1)Introduction of shari’a in a historical perspective 2)Viability of the implementation of shari’a in the absence of Islamic state. 3)The difference between fiqh and shari’a and if one of them is prominent. 4)Conditions that has to be fulfilled before a Shari’a is introduced as the legal system. 5)The position of ijtihâd' specially when it comes to fiqh/Shari'a. I’m sure that we could all benefit from discussing about this topic. This review could be an appetizer for those of you who choose. Your comments are well come. Thanks The Awakener2

Muqaalufo ayey dooni Mar baan arkay qab-qable dagaal oo afar gaari iyo afartan dhallinyaro ah wata afar silsiladood oo rasaas ahna ku jeeni-qaaran. “ afarta Reer Cali, Cidla-jiife iyo Wax-iskama- celiye waa caawa meesha ay galaan” ayuu ku cel-celinayey isagoo caraysan. Waxan is-weydiiyey afartankan uu wato iyo afartan kale hadday dhintaan muxuu faa’iiday? Maslaxo iyo maraanmarse ma garan waayey? Muqaalufo ayey dooni ee muu garto ayaan is-iri! Mar baan waxaan arkay wadaad surwaal gaab ah oo agab dagaal sita,indhahana gaduudka aad moodo in uusan afar maalmood tukan. “Afartaa magaalo iyo afarta ka dambeeya waa in aan qabsanaa oo kuwii Ahlu Takfiirku aysan ku tukan” ayuu ku cel-celinayey isagoo caraysan. Waxan is-weydiiyey ninkanu sidan uu ugu heelan yahay dagaalka hadduu ugu hagar la’aan lahaa xasuusta Alle iyo cibaadadiisa arrinni side bay noqon lahayd? Naxariis Alle iyo nimco in laga dhergo ayey u badnaan lahayd ayaan is-iri. Muqaalufo xasuusta Alle lagu oogo ayey dooni ee muu garto ayaan is-iri!. Mar baan waxaan arkay nin xildhibaan ah oo kabahiisii midna gashan midna degta ku sita.” Eray Macaane, Awliyo sheegte iyo Ilma Waranle waa in aysan xukunka u soo dhowaan oo laga horjoogsadaa” ayuu ku cel-celinayey isagoo caraysan. Waxaan is-weydiiyey cantafuude ma wuusan fahmin in marka ay nabadi jirto arladu wada nimco iyo jago tahay ? Hadduuse meesha xoog ku haysto sow mid kale oo xoog wax ku dooni imaan mayo? Alla ninkan iyo kuwa kale muqaalufo yaa u sheega ayaan is-iri! Toosiye2

Arrintan maamulkan dawladeed ee hadda jooga u gaar ma aha ee waxay muujinaysaa qaran-jabka dhacay. Ku dhowaad laabatankii sano ee aynu dagaalka gudaheenna ah ku jiray natiijo ka dhalatay baan u arkaa. Dadka qaarkood waxay ku qiyaasaan in aynu 300 oo sano dib u celinay hab-dhismeedkeenna dawladeed iyo caafimaadka bulsho hanan karta maamul dhexe oo caddaalad ku hoggaamin kara iyaduna ay kalsooni siin karto. Marka hore hal shuruud haddii aynu buuxino waxan iyo wax la mid ah waynu ka gudbi karnaa. Shuruudu waxaa weeye in muqaalufo aan liicin oo Soomaalida dhexdeeda ah la helo. Marka taas la helo kadib wixii dadka iyo dalka u dan ahna lagu dhaqaaqo ayaad qosli kartaa. Haddii kale qofkii diin, qarannimo, dad iyo dal dani ka hayso waa u oohin. Ilaahay laabteenna burcad ha isu keen mariyo. Toosiye2