are you talking the likes. no chance period.

Originally posted by mystic: ^^^ he is right, when you say the USC, we all know which clan you are pointing out. Mystic I am bit ashamed of that, unlike you who have with no remorse. You never ashame of writing down Puntland, Puntland, Puntland, Puntland. A,Y Yey. keep doing that.

mystic how many times you said Puntland.. please count your self before I count you.

Originally posted by mystic: kamalu I truly don’t know what you are talking about. The fact remains that the TFG is simply incompetent , the sooner we acknowledge that, the better likelihood we have solving Somalia’s problems. Anyone who is enthusiastic, determined and has integrity could bring peace and stability to Somalia. It could be anyone, recognize that QUOTE] In the eyes of USC/ICU tfg is failyer, and other than theirs is failyer this is true after they legitimazed and accepted ICU because it is theirs. ANYONE WOULD BE THEM THE SAME ONE WHO ARE MAKING US FAIL.

Originally posted by nabadshe: U know what? i really am mesmirised, :rolleyes: on how somalis have recently gotten smart, in using circuitous words, especially here at SOL. when collectively accusing or defferentiating on each other through qabiil. Now instead of directly naming any qabiil i can just say USC, TFG,UIC, Somaliland , Puntland, clan courts, defeated lot etc and everyone would know whom am refering to. I think we should just be honest and face the reality. The epidermic is doing us no good. Otherwise the Admin at SOL should know that the rules are not binding regardless. You are thousand years ahead of us please jooji these soothing words. we aren't yet feeling the sensation of humanity. beast meesha la isgu keenay ayaanu nahaye.

the rest Poor Somalis. I never seen you speaking for their behave. are you on the pay role USC/ICU this is more than effection.

do you know a man named a Malin Taajir isn't, if you don't that this guy was woking for the UN Lacag ayaa lagu aaminey intuu ciidamadiisa ilaalada u ahayd idhaca uu markaas isga dhigay qof la dhacay. that is the Giirigaanka (Boorso). wax ay furtaan ayay yaqaaniin oo kaliya ileen waa wax jiiro Mafia ku soo koray.

Originally posted by Wiilo: :mad: GO FIGURE:................

What ever that goes in Somaliya, or happens to Somalis is beause of these Meerkats. who enjoy Somalis ruin 'business is usual". To me the rest are blameless. but can you tell me what is wrong with you I didn't see you amaanayo the rest.

Originally posted by Shucayb: hmmmm, what the heck is your point dude? I mean, I swear to God I can't make out a single thing you saying. You talking about the USC, where is the USC? show me, name its members where are they saaxib? Mystic, do you see the USC around, cuz I dont?! Your pragnosis for this illness you are suffering would be to take a dose of anti-USC pills. I hope you feel better. Red Sea do you go the Giirigaan. I wonder why are you avocating these tuugo soomalida dhibay meelkastan af xumada la joogo. please give me a break.

what is it waxa kaa guuxaa. "I got the key" Xujoole.

Originally posted by mystic: Peaceful? What nonsense do you speak? You need not blame every problem the TFGoons face with AQ and ICU. If the remnants of the ICU could cause such huge troubles to the TFGoons, then they aren’t fit to govern or rule for that matter. Xujo ma falantee ee xaajo ayaa falanto, and Please don't talk like Abdikasim who thinks that he only himself got what it takes to bring Somalia live.

Mystic I didn't make it for you please go to the I have dream tread. and the likes. We are talking here about the realities, not dreams.

I know people like you with jiirigaan garabka guugu jiro please stop the crab, and be a peace partner. or else cirka ka cab.

I am giving up the hope that TFG will bring Somalia under the Federal System, because TFG became a testing object into Meerto Meertadii Mogadishu, and I think that was something that the whole world was after . Let us spaculate after TFG! USC/ICU will cheer as they tested Somalia and the world to bring Somalia life again; another thing to cheer is USC/ICU's giirigaankoodii waa u buuxsamey oo ay tobanka sano ee soo socota looga gudbi lahaa. where as the rest of Somalis have a quoter of that USC/ICU got. The rest ilaahey baa u maqan oo horayna u badbaadiyey hadana badbaadin doona. ileen nin ilaahey abuurtay looma dardaar wariyo. I always wished that TFG stay in Baidoa till these guys become a peace partner. These guys marka ay maqlaan Aduunka ayaa Somaalia ka waramaayo midkasta Jiirgaankooda ayay hore us oo qaataan ileen waa dad gu u curtaye, oo waa u xoqosho (business is usual) oo xaaraan lama aha, ceeb lama aha, oo xilka (capinet, barlimenterian) saaran waaba is ka cayaar boobkiina bey ku jiraan hada iyo mar dhow uma soo jeedaan in ay noqdaan peace partners. Waa dad meelkasta giirigaan u dhigta ceyrta xitaa business ka sameeyey. that is my experience about them, and I have never seen their good side even their wadaadkooda.

I am giving up the hope that TFG will bring Somalia under the Federal System, because TFG became a testing object into Meerto Meertadii Mogadishu, and I think that was something that the whole world was after . Let us spaculate after TFG! USC/ICU will cheer as they tested Somalia and the world to bring Somalia life again; another thing to cheer is USC/ICU's giirigaankoodii waa u buuxsamey oo ay tobanka sano ee soo socota looga gudbi lahaa. where as the rest of Somalis have a quoter of that USC/ICU got. The rest ilaahey baa u maqan oo horayna u badbaadiyey hadana badbaadin doona. ileen nin ilaahey abuurtay looma dardaar wariyo. I always wished that TFG stay in Baidoa till these guys become a peace partner. These guys marka ay maqlaan Aduunka ayaa Somaalia ka waramaayo midkasta Jiirgaankooda ayay hore us oo qaataan ileen waa dad gu u curtaye, oo waa u xoqosho (business is usual) oo xaaraan lama aha, ceeb lama aha, oo xilka (capinet, barlimenterian) saaran waaba is ka cayaar boobkiina bey ku jiraan hada iyo mar dhow uma soo jeedaan in ay noqdaan peace partners. Waa dad meelkasta giirigaan u dhigta ceyrta xitaa business ka sameeyey. that is my experience about them, and I have never seen their good side even their wadaadkooda.

Red Sea Saxiib is aa yari/ and don't defend the Tuugo in the eyes of many; they can't hide anywhere in Somalia. I don't think they will ever evolve, because they were not design for, to evolve period. Tell you the truth, they still same kind of waraabo.

Originally posted by abu ansaar17: I said tell what they did to benefit people whether it be ICU or TFG like for exmple build roads or fix something if you look at it all it looks like ICU did more benefit for the people than TFG but TFG were not in control so now is the time for TFG to benefit people and help them if they dont help people within the next few months it shows that this is not a government that shows it is capabel of taking care of its people note : i am not judging them YET!! Are You comparing TFG Vs ICU, and saying that the ICU benefited the people within very short period of time. Saxiib Nimaan nidaam dooneyneyn lama nidaamin karo, nimaan nabad doonay lamaba nabdi karo. Nimaan horumer dooney lama horimarin karo waaba dad awalkoodii hore dhul jiif u dhashay oo shido loo abuuray I don't know if they gonna benefit any body these entities you are talking about be it USC/ICU was founded was based to block somali's peace, and progress. Secondly you are giving the TFG a time table as you are incharge of what goes in Somalia, some who is hiding the key solution, or what ever it takes to resolve this problem that Somalia is in, thus you are speaking more like Abdikasim in SOL. Saxiib Xujo ma falanta ee xaajo ayaa flanta. Soomaali waad xujeeyseen in aad xujada furtaan oo aad nabadkeentaaa ayaa la'dinkaga baahanyahay. Soomaali adikaa ayaa meeshaas dhigay, sidiino oo kale bacaad siixab ka dhigay. Waxaa hubaal ah, Soomaali inta harteyna hadii aad xujada ka furi waysaan waa la'idinka tagayaaa ayaan idin leeyahay. ooo Deeexda iyo kurkii Ceelbuur ayaad daaqi doontaan.

Originally posted by Shucayb: LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL. Ala beerka, waar ninyow inaabti delete the first line. G. Duke is nothing but confused fellow full of qabiil, that is all. He is just another qaxooti like the rest of us, dont' wish death upon him. So instead of wishing his death, let us pray that Allah guides him and his likes to the straight path. Amin to that. Duke what happened to Red Sea these days he is over the limit............ just like fenishe in while back ... where is Duke Where is Duke Where is Duke Where is Duke Where is Duke ... I am only waiting when he is going stop that. ASAP

Originally posted by abu ansaar17: okay after reading all arguments i say all movements were from same clan so now that they are tied at that let us look at what they benefited to the people at the end isn't that the point of any government or movement? They benefited in the eyes of the most of Somalis: Now they are the only contender in Mogadishu, and no one else has a voice, could tell me if not. Ilaahey dartiise ayay ku dhacday oo qolo kastaa waa ay ooga hartey in yar oo afka nool ah oo dibada joogta ma ahane dadkii intiise badan waa ay ku quusiyeen. Taas waxaa tusaale kuu ah markasta ee la yiraahdo yaa madawweyne isku soo taago qofkale waa lagawaayey iyaga ma ahne Soomaali inteedii kale iyaga ayeey daba feyleen. Isn't that the benefit of so call Struggle of power grap, and it paid the price, of weapons they purchased. Ilaahey ayaase arintaas oran. oo Cabdulahi Yousuf oo wax yar oo rajo ah ku jirto isaga iyo xoogaa reer putlanders ah kaliyaa ayaa daba orda. Ee Soomaali oo dha reerkaan waa yuubsadeen.

Originally posted by abu ansaar17: okay after reading all arguments i say all movements were from same clan so now that they are tied at that let us look at what they benefited to the people at the end isn't that the point of any government or movement? They benefited in the eyes of the most of Somalis: Now they are the only contender in Mogadishu, and no one else has a voice, could tell me if not. Ilaahey dartiise ayay ku dhacday oo qolo kastaa waa ay ooga hartey in yar oo afka nool ah oo dibada joogta ma ahane dadkii intiise badan waa ay ku quusiyeen. Taas waxaa tusaale kuu ah markasta ee la yiraahdo yaa madawweyne isku soo taago qofkale waa lagawaayey iyaga ma ahne Soomaali inteedii kale iyaga ayeey daba feyleen. Isn't that the benefit of so call Struggle of power grap, and it paid the price, of weapons they purchased. Ilaahey ayaase arintaas oran. oo Cabdulahi Yousuf oo wax yar oo rajo ah ku jirto isaga iyo xoogaa reer putlanders ah kaliyaa ayaa daba orda. Ee Soomaali oo dha reerkaan waa yuubsadeen

SNM is doing because of fear of Somaliweyn.... In my view they have right to do that, as they did I wouldn't seek Union with Mogadishu, period. because of no benefit. I supporting TFG because atleast it offers self ditermination. My first choice is Federation, second choice would be idependence, but never union, centralism based government. period.

]Originally posted by Socod_badne: Originally posted by Kamalu Diin: quote: Was this organization (usc) made of universal 1)(Somalia) thus librate its members from from sujugation of single tryant Siyad Bare, I don't get what you mean by "universal". Like I said, the impetus for the USC formation was the percieved persecuation of one group by another passing itself off as "government", ie S. Barre regime. The USC wasn't the first armed rebel group in Somalia nor was it the last. History vindicates them, they gained their objective. What's there to gripe about? So, the regime was made of opposite group! thus every government empoloyee was from that group in oder to justify your act! that gives the right to eradicate other than USC group as you called! quote: or 2) was made of particlar (one group) who wanted to to eliminate other groups found in Somalia. Some of them undoubtedly wanted to do just that since similar was done to them. unfortunately for some, to the victor goes the spoils of war. So, you have historical facts, and you can't deny since this is your signature. Proof to us hadii USC group were mass murdred. quote: 1)I have experienced Magool singing eryaay eryaay .......... what does she meant? I really don't know, you gonna have to ask her... I think she's interred in Beledweyne. What a scape!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! historical denial quote: Dad masaakiin ah guryahoodii laga saaray.......... all of these atrocities against poor people ...... meant fight against subjugation. all of this has happened before they came into Mogadishu and you clasified as fighting against subjugation. intii ka danbeysana xisaab ma laha. Spare me the slanted commentary of Somalia's civil war. Everyone knows most well off Somalis who owned properties were the first to leave when the civil war got too hot. Only small percentage of Somalis were forcefully expelled from their homes. It's astonishing we actually have to state this readily discernable reality of wars. In just about everywhere there's heavy war, especially internecine one, civilian populations are the first to flee. Why was Somalia any different? I agree with you on one thing though, in the postbellum revelry there were plenty of excesses by USC forces that were and still are utterly unpardonable.Are you a biologist believing in nature, and Darwinist evolution. this wouldn't undo what has happened, this isn't a natural process as you wished for! this waa laga isgaga taba imaanayaa the solo contender in Mogadishu it is only a matter of time.

Originally posted by abu ansaar17: okay after reading all arguments i say all movements were from same clan so now that they are tied at that let us look at what they benefited to the people at the end isn't that the point of any government or movement? They benefited in the eyes of the most of Somalis: Now they are the only contender in Mogadishu, and no one else has a voice, could tell me if not. Ilaahey dartiise ayay ku dhacday oo qolo kastaa waa ay ooga hartey in yar oo afka nool ah oo dibada joogta ma ahane dadkii intiise badan waa ay ku quusiyeen. Taas waxaa tusaale kuu ah markasta ee la yiraahdo yaa madawweyne isku soo taago qofkale waa lagawaayey iyaga ma ahne Soomaali inteedii kale iyaga ayeey daba feyleen. Isn't that the benefit of so call Struggle of power grap, and it paid the price, of weapons they purchased. Ilaahey ayaase arintaas oran. oo Cabdulahi Yousuf oo wax yar oo rajo ah ku jirto isaga iyo xoogaa reer putlanders ah kaliyaa ayaa daba orda. Ee Soomaali oo dha reerkaan waa yuubsadeen.

I am requesting whole Federal Government chart, and if you are including Abdulahi Yousuf house hold staft including he cook then you to include Aideeds, Geedi, Gacmadheere, Furuh, and Qanyare their stafts including drivers, cooks, body guards, and etc.