Originally posted by Mr.Red Sea: indeed Siyad Barre is the one to be blamed on for us being refugees and definately he was good for nothing. Red Sea I have never said such thing before please why do you always blame me that I like Siyad Bare/Riyaale Kaahin that I have never said.

Originally posted by Mr.Red Sea: ^well that was the USC which commited horrific acts,we all know that,but what do you have against the folks in Xamar in general? I am not against all of the BEELAHA USC but the their leaderz who committed crimes against humanity, and those people who brought USC/ICU into being which of the mother of atrocities that is taking place now and then, period. and some are cheering blindlessly.

Originally posted by Jaylaani: quote:Originally posted by Mr.Red Sea: if no is above the law,then I have Riyale for human rights abuse against humanity,so put his as% in jail then right.I can's see a criminal accusing others of crimes. How dare you support Turki and his crew and than talk about justice? There are people are still salivating for the blood of these victims and all your naive eyes can see is Rayaale. No matter what he did than, he's the part of the solution now. I don't think he deserves to be a president but you can't define destiny. If you wanna persecute him, you should have done that when he was running for presidency not when he is sitting in office. It doesn't work like that especially when he didn’t commit any crimes in the CURRENT Somaliland. Yes, like many others in the past or the present Somaliland administration, he was part Siyad Barre regime. He might or might not kill some body. Only ALLAH knows that Among other things ,that issue will be dealt with when situation is right. Red Sea we are all asking you to show your stand. let be loose as you wish please asnwer our quations. please one more time

Originally posted by Kamalu Diin: News. the issues you can draw from here are. 1) waxa laga sheegayo ma runbaa in reer burco wax la wadaan Xasan Dahir Awes? 2) Maxaa hada keeney in lagu dhawaaqo Shariada? 3) Sow dawladu dowlad muslim ah meyeeysan ahayn? Raga mas'ulka ah mayeeysan ilaah ka cabsoon? 4) Xageese na geeyn doonata hadii ay sidaas rimowdo? 5) Ma u maleysaa in dariishada laga soogalo la doonayo, iyadoo ilunku furan yahay? hadii umada taas loo horseedo, maxaa ay keenaysaa? 6) Mise mid keenaysa waxa ka waagsan waxa hada jira? 7) ayaa dhibaato u arko? oo ay dhibaysaa? Maxaase dhibaya? 8) Nimankan wata sheekadaan Xornimada Somaliland daacad ma ka yihiin? mise ka ma aha? 9) Dadka arinkaan ku raacsan intee bay le'eg yihiin? 10) xageese ku eg yihiin? mise ku faafsan yihiin goboloda dalka oo dhan? or meelo ka baxsan dhalka sida Somalia? 11) etc. Red Sea this is your last chance to show us your stand please answer these quetion as Somalilander brother.

Originally posted by General Duke: Saxib the Shabaab are no more than IndaCade's thugs with a new branding. A joke really when old Man Turki is part of the Shabaab.. General Duke Shabaab are every where including cyber space. Offspring are on the lookout collecting public opinions just like Shabelle.net and HornAfrik.com

Originally posted by Mr.Red Sea: Okay let us get down to the bottom of your heartburns now,what have the beelah "USC" ay kugu sameeyeen? In addtion to what they have done to Muminiita ay ka eryeen Souther Somalia. Dagaalkii Siyad Bare looga eryey Mogadishu. reerkeena waxaa ay door bideen ineysan ka baxin Mogadishu sidaas ayaan la hayste oogu ahayn Gurigeena Dhexdiisa oo cid dariskeena ah ayaa sidii pracide oo kale noogu dul noolaa. Oo xor uman aynaan ahayn gurigeena, maalkeena waxay nogotay ilaa ay dhamaystaan in aan meeshaas ka bixin.

take them grain of salt. Red Sea what does this mean.

originaly posted by Socod_badane regarding what we think of events and potentates, are so colored by personal experiences that we must, as rule of thumb, take them grain of salt. Well said. experience ... as rule of thumb take into account.

I know Somalia problems is tribes which is shared by many other nations that is made of tribes. If we don't tackle this issues then we are not solving anything. the reason I am supporting TFG mostly is what is based of a power sharing and its good foundation of tribal equality and its not a crime to express your tribal view in TFB ex. Beelaha USC ee labada gole how many times ayaad maqashay. Where as institution that is based on Nationalism and Wahabism is forbiden to express tribal view. My Stand of Somaliland is I for one I do believe we shouldn't be rejected our unallieable rights period, or vice versa. I also have view Somaliland interest is Not in UN, AU, EU, and US but in our brothers and sisters in Somalia, not in the situation they are in state unrational being (Bahaloobeen dhiigooda ayaa isku muuqda), but in improved condition, or rational being where give and take is practiced, where the right of beings are not violated. period. I hold Sharia is far better than made made law.

Originally posted by Mr.Red Sea: Blah blah blah,yaa ciyaal wax udiran jiray?! Just calm the heck down peeps,Siyad Barre was terrible man,he and goodness have no relations,he is dead now,so let us leave at that. Brother what is going in your mind that made you ............ bipolar.

Another point is that,the TFG doesn't have the support of folks living in SL so how shall it become a government,while on the other hand people living in Somaliland are likely to give their support to the ICU more. Red Sea don't bring the mess into Somaliland because it has nothing to do period, and the Somaliland has its own government. TFG is not waiting a recognition from Somaliland in order to become a its government.

I will take it as you said Yess!!

Their supporters are tribal bigots who wouldn't rest untill their next of kin become president. what do you say about the supporters of the USC/ICU be fair? with the blessing of the madax korankor and Tigres. How can a sane somali side with Abdullahi Yusuf what do you say about the TERRORIST pouring into our beloved country. whose mantra has been madaxweyne mar i dhaha since 1975? Caydid Jr, Hiraale? Suudi Yuluxow, Qanyare and the other thugs who brought us the havoc, the division of our nation, the turnining of brother on brother You missed many more ABDIQASIM, DAHIR AWEYS, AND INDHA CADE! WICH STANDS USC/ICU. ICU in your eyes they don't stand for division. Ehe These thugs should be prosecuted for making somali the nation of maruading gangs. And the other side you omitted for reason. The IUC which appears to be a new force based on a different principle these don't they become to power by force and did they attempted to bring to Somalia under their control by force. qiilkay leeyihiin ma ii sheegi kartaa. No to tribalism, a different kind of rule; they use more in manner that is very weard ah under divide and rule LOCAL AYAA NOO YEERTAY. a pretext. different kind of rule you mention is wax aan horey loo arag waaye under Diin and Nationalism banner. discuss reconciliation etc do you think they want that. yaabka yaabkiisa. To take a position on somalia one has to look at the mother, the child and the helpless people in Muqdisho. These people have been held hostages by warlords; Killing and abuses were a common thing; the warlords started skirmishes to consolidate their position of power. Actually, the last years every son that makes 15 was a candidate to become a ******. What is the situation of this mother now?????? Mogadishu has been divided by QOLOOYIN HUB SIDO IYO KU SACABOOLEY AH. and you only discribing the condition of one group has been living under and extending/generalizing as it has been shared across MOGADISHU. These people USC/ICU iyaa is baday sxb and they only been missing Government. Hadan maslaxadooda waxaa ay garteen markii uu A/Y come to power si in ay dhaxal u leeyhiinoo kale. These people are dreaming. I am not from the south, I never belonged to the USC, my tribe (I don't blv in it) is not represented on the IUC leadership I know that you are not from the south but the Mendera. and what is the relationship Mrle and dgdye to do with Souther Somalia. I have taken a sober decision based on what is good for our people, somalis- and come to the conclusion that thus far the IUC appears to be the only body that could bring long lasting peace It could be nice, but you are not! since the tribes has been victimizing one another, and they cannot trust each other good example is USC/ICU could not trust A/Y. what it is wrong power sharing system where every tribe majority or minority could get his fair share. Places like somaliaonline should be an oasis for different opinions and I am not for censoring what people write but we should discuss whether there is anything good in the tribal propaganda that we read on this place car aan taas kuugu diido/ this is one thing that I don't oppose you. stop WHAT YOU DOING FIRST> Sometimes the link between opinion and tribalism ( maligma) is clear. If you don't want to categorize people and talk about their need then why you did in NFD because they share identity right. you are funny man.l

Their supporters are tribal bigots who wouldn't rest untill their next of kin become president. what do you say about the supporters of the USC/ICU be fair? with the blessing of the madax korankor and Tigres. How can a sane somali side with Abdullahi Yusuf what do you say about the TERRORIST pouring into our beloved country. whose mantra has been madaxweyne mar i dhaha since 1975? Caydid Jr, Hiraale? Suudi Yuluxow, Qanyare and the other thugs who brought us the havoc, the division of our nation, the turnining of brother on brother You missed many more ABDIQASIM, DAHIR AWEYS, AND INDHA CADE! WICH STANDS USC/ICU. ICU in your eyes they don't stand for division. Ehe These thugs should be prosecuted for making somali the nation of maruading gangs. And the other side you omitted for reason. The IUC which appears to be a new force based on a different principle these don't they become to power by force and did they attempted to bring to Somalia under their control by force. qiilkay leeyihiin ma ii sheegi kartaa. No to tribalism, a different kind of rule; they use more in manner that is very weard ah under divide and rule LOCAL AYAA NOO YEERTAY. a pretext. different kind of rule you mention is wax aan horey loo arag waaye under Diin and Nationalism banner. discuss reconciliation etc do you think they want that. yaabka yaabkiisa. To take a position on somalia one has to look at the mother, the child and the helpless people in Muqdisho. These people have been held hostages by warlords; Killing and abuses were a common thing; the warlords started skirmishes to consolidate their position of power. Actually, the last years every son that makes 15 was a candidate to become a ******. What is the situation of this mother now?????? Mogadishu has been divided by QOLOOYIN HUB SIDO IYO KU SACABOOLEY AH. and you only discribing the condition of one group has been living under and extending/generalizing as it has been shared across MOGADISHU. These people USC/ICU iyaa is baday sxb and they only been missing Government. Hadan maslaxadooda waxaa ay garteen markii uu A/Y come to power si in ay dhaxal u leeyhiinoo kale. These people are dreaming. I am not from the south, I never belonged to the USC, my tribe (I don't blv in it) is not represented on the IUC leadership I know that you are not from the south but the Mendera. and what is the relationship Mrle and dgdye to do with Souther Somalia. I have taken a sober decision based on what is good for our people, somalis- and come to the conclusion that thus far the IUC appears to be the only body that could bring long lasting peace It could be nice, but you are not! since the tribes has been victimizing one another, and they cannot trust each other good example is USC/ICU could not trust A/Y. what it is wrong power sharing system where every tribe majority or minority could get his fair share. Places like somaliaonline should be an oasis for different opinions and I am not for censoring what people write but we should discuss whether there is anything good in the tribal propaganda that we read on this place car aan taas kuugu diido/ this is one thing that I don't oppose you. stop WHAT YOU DOING FIRST> Sometimes the link between opinion and tribalism ( maligma) is clear. If you don't want to categorize people and talk about their need then why you did in NFD because they share identity right. you are funny man.l

Their supporters are tribal bigots who wouldn't rest untill their next of kin become president. what do you say about the supporters of the USC/ICU be fair? with the blessing of the madax korankor and Tigres. How can a sane somali side with Abdullahi Yusuf what do you say about the TERRORIST pouring into our beloved country. whose mantra has been madaxweyne mar i dhaha since 1975? Caydid Jr, Hiraale? Suudi Yuluxow, Qanyare and the other thugs who brought us the havoc, the division of our nation, the turnining of brother on brother You missed many more ABDIQASIM, DAHIR AWEYS, AND INDHA CADE! WICH STANDS USC/ICU. ICU in your eyes they don't stand for division. Ehe These thugs should be prosecuted for making somali the nation of maruading gangs. And the other side you omitted for reason. The IUC which appears to be a new force based on a different principle these don't they become to power by force and did they attempted to bring to Somalia under their control by force. qiilkay leeyihiin ma ii sheegi kartaa. No to tribalism, a different kind of rule; they use more in manner that is very weard ah under divide and rule LOCAL AYAA NOO YEERTAY. a pretext. different kind of rule you mention is wax aan horey loo arag waaye under Diin and Nationalism banner. discuss reconciliation etc do you think they want that. yaabka yaabkiisa. To take a position on somalia one has to look at the mother, the child and the helpless people in Muqdisho. These people have been held hostages by warlords; Killing and abuses were a common thing; the warlords started skirmishes to consolidate their position of power. Actually, the last years every son that makes 15 was a candidate to become a ******. What is the situation of this mother now?????? Mogadishu has been divided by QOLOOYIN HUB SIDO IYO KU SACABOOLEY AH. and you only discribing the condition of one group has been living under and extending/generalizing as it has been shared across MOGADISHU. These people USC/ICU iyaa is baday sxb and they only been missing Government. Hadan maslaxadooda waxaa ay garteen markii uu A/Y come to power si in ay dhaxal u leeyhiinoo kale. These people are dreaming. I am not from the south, I never belonged to the USC, my tribe (I don't blv in it) is not represented on the IUC leadership I know that you are not from the south but the Mendera. and what is the relationship Mrle and dgdye to do with Souther Somalia. I have taken a sober decision based on what is good for our people, somalis- and come to the conclusion that thus far the IUC appears to be the only body that could bring long lasting peace It could be nice, but you are not! since the tribes has been victimizing one another, and they cannot trust each other good example is USC/ICU could not trust A/Y. what it is wrong power sharing system where every tribe majority or minority could get his fair share. Places like somaliaonline should be an oasis for different opinions and I am not for censoring what people write but we should discuss whether there is anything good in the tribal propaganda that we read on this place car aan taas kuugu diido/ this is one thing that I don't oppose you. stop WHAT YOU DOING FIRST> Sometimes the link between opinion and tribalism ( maligma) is clear. If you don't want to categorize people and talk about their need then why you did in NFD because they share identity right. you are funny man.l

i think of we shouldn't take pack the nfd land we should increase our vote and the people that live there I do agree with XOX OGAAL this time. Caaqil can you tell litte bit about Abdi Madoobe. was he a bandit.

Duurliye sare xagee ku bukta oo ku dan qaneeso.

SSDF was just a rolle model that is all. as result all somalis are against the norm evern brother now they are not on same track. get that.

Suide bobming? if you are lacking where these people are up to I can't but for sure Osman Bin Laden his follower including Dahir Awes will go to Jahanama. Insha allahu.

Originally posted by Jaylaani: People can make a mistake. Lets move on. jeylaani I believe that let us move on.

He showed little empathy! would somalia leaders specially Hassan Darhir Aweys stop his calls so the terrorist coming from accross the world stop coming.

There are something that Duuliyesare is not happy about, would please share with us?; tell us what is bothering you? I myself worried about offspring coming to power without people (muslims) aproval. called later mission accomplished! AHA

Al-Qa'eda is power hungery individuals by no means their actions can be associated with islam. as you know only about five percent of Muslim world is supporting were ninety five percent they don't approve their actions period. thus is a virus that needs to get host celll. this will not be Somalia. I will work against that mission the rest of my life.

Originally posted by xox ogaal: [QB] what did you called the government? hmmm you got people like qanyre caato muuse xaaran kunaax furux. who are command an army of killers rapest and robber for 16 years ? [/b] how much do you hate wadaado ? i wonder. like duke said bring everything out and say what they are. i loved to see somali with a government but president cabdulaahi have come up another idea... these warlord that are from south need to be kicked out of the government and will love our governtment Xox Ogaal, TFG is not only what is made of but what it stands for, that is the most important to me. It is power sharing among somali tribes. that what we need to protect very small communities interest as well as minority, on other hand; these people you mentioned icluding the president himself will not be around if the people start to choose? I am not saying TFG is well equipted but I am saying has a good start not a one group manupulating other, or using divide an rule policies is a character of ICU - terrible start. I wish TFG to have third branch of government and that is what I thought ICU will be best fit thus every community will elect their regional representation, provitional representation, congresional representation, and finally their district judges and so on> That path ICU seem to be very cheap to ask for. way yestay. Hadii ay ku gor gortami laheyd waxaa dhici lahay community kasto ayay xaqa u soo dhicin lahayd. ICU has a bragaining power I wish she should ask for fills temporarily third branch of government that instead of Prime-minister position. Sharia is supperior to man made law. Not what Xasan Dahir Aweys roming around with.

Originally posted by xox ogaal: [QB] what did you called the government? hmmm you got people like qanyre caato muuse xaaran kunaax furux. who are command an army of killers rapest and robber for 16 years ? [/b] how much do you hate wadaado ? i wonder. like duke said bring everything out and say what they are. i loved to see somali with a government but president cabdulaahi have come up another idea... these warlord that are from south need to be kicked out of the government and will love our governtment Xox Ogaal, TFG is not only what is made of but what it stands for, that is the most important to me. It is power sharing among somali tribes. that what we need to protect very small communities interest as well as minority, on other hand; these people you mentioned icluding the president himself will not be around if the people start to choose? I am not saying TFG is well equipted but I am saying has a good start not a one group manupulating other, or using divide an rule policies is a character of ICU - terrible start. I wish TFG to have third branch of government and that is what I thought ICU will be best fit thus every community will elect their regional representation, provitional representation, congresional representation, and finally their district judges and so on> That path ICU seem to be very cheap to ask for. way yestay. Hadii ay ku gor gortami laheyd waxaa dhici lahay community kasto ayay xaqa u soo dhicin lahayd. ICU has a bragaining power I wish she should ask for fills temporarily third branch of government that instead of Prime-minister position. Sharia is supperior to man made law. Not what Xasan Dahir Aweys roming around with.